Nickelback - Silver Side Up · Riffology: Iconic Rock Albums Podcast

Chris0:00 Sam.

Neil0:32 Ah, we're back. It's been 84 years. Something. What did she say? She says, like, it's been 84 years.

Chris0:39 Like Titanic.

Neil0:40 Yeah. I was tricked into watching that. I don't know. I was tricked into watching Titanic by a woman. By a girl. And she said, I want to watch the Titanic. And I'm going, like, I'm not watching the Titanic.

Chris0:51 Yeah.

Neil0:52 And then she put on the Titanic and the beginning bit.

Chris0:55 Yeah.

Neil0:56 Looks a bit like a documentary, doesn't it? So stumbled in and I saw the. Do you know the submarine bit, and I thought, oh, that's. Well, so. I love submarines. Do you know what I mean? And then at the point. At the point, it switches. Oh, God, the point, it switches. You're in. It's too late, can't get out.

Chris1:21 I can just imagine your disappointment. I was like.

Neil1:25 I was about halfway through and I thought, this is Titanic, isn't it? Oh, my God. Totally, totally scammed into watching the Titanic.

Chris1:37 Oh, mate, it was all right. That has absolutely got me. It's just the realization.

Neil1:47 Balls. Scammed again.

Chris1:50 Yeah. Remember when that.

Neil1:53 That.

Chris1:54 What, that submarine of rich people went down to look at the Titanic and then it, like, imploded?

Neil1:59 Yeah, I do.

Chris2:00 What was that called?

Neil2:03 Oh, God. Do you know what? I've got my laptop in front of me. I'm gonna do it now. I'm gonna ask Claude. I love Claude. What was the billionaire submarine that Event Horizon, that. What was it that. I'm gonna say, because it kind of like, imploded.

Chris2:22 Because that was like a bit of like. The Titanic itself was a bit like that, wasn't it? Because wasn't the Titanic, like loads of rich people?

Neil2:29 It was called the Titan.

Chris2:30 Was it?

Neil2:31 Yeah. Submersible, operated by Oceangate. It imploded in June 2023 during a dive to the Titanic wreck in North Atlantic, killing all five people on board, including OceanGate CEO Stockton Rush. This is a brilliant. I know we're off topic already, mate. It's been like five weeks and we're straight back in. Off topic on submarines. This. I remember watching a documentary on that and they had the chief engineer for Ocean Gate refusing to go on the submarine.

Chris3:02 Yeah, yeah.

Neil3:03 A dude who built it, and he's like, I'm not going on that. And then. And then the CEO going, all right, I'll go on it. And you're like, at what point do you have to be that, like, mad in it?

Chris3:14 But that was like. Because that was rich people, wasn't it, Going down to see that.

Neil3:17 Yeah.

Chris3:18 And buying the ticket.

Neil3:19 Yeah.

Chris3:19 And then. But the Titanic itself was that, wasn't it? It was, it was like some of it. Yeah.

Neil3:23 But no, it wasn't all.

Chris3:24 I wasn't it.

Neil3:25 No, because they had like the. In steerage.

Chris3:27 Yeah.

Neil3:28 You've not watched Titanic, have you?

Chris3:30 I didn't really pay attention.

Neil3:31 There's a lot of poor people on there.

Chris3:32 Oh, is there?

Neil3:33 Yeah, they drowned immediately. The rich people went to the top and they got on the. There's a lovely bit where the rich people got on the foot. So the first. What are the. I'm gonna call them? Dinghies. Not dinghies. Life lifeboats. Yeah. And there weren't enough lifeboats. And the first one that was dispatched, they, they, they held like 60 people or whatever.

Chris3:54 Yeah.

Neil3:55 On the first one. Dispatch first class passengers in it.

Chris3:58 Yeah, yeah.

Neil3:59 And yet the, and the poor people were all kept behind their metal gates really to avoid them because obviously they'd be smelly and all that. So we wouldn't allow them on the, on the life raft. So they get the rich people off first.

Chris4:09 Yeah.

Neil4:10 And then the poor people could, could get on some of them.

Chris4:13 So.

Neil4:13 Yeah. So there are loads of poor people on there. I say poor people. I mean, I think you have to be. It wasn't cheap, I don't think. No, it would. So you wouldn't have been. You would have been. But you obviously weren't enough. You didn't have a man servant.

Chris4:23 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Neil4:24 You weren't allowed on the life raft.

Chris4:26 Yeah.

Neil4:27 I don't know how you proved how wealthy you were, but. Yeah, bonkers.

Chris4:32 Yeah.

Neil4:33 My. That. One of my, One of my favorite. I, you know, when you, you look back over your life, you remember certain things. This is something that always comes. Whenever I think about my life, it always comes back to me, the disappointment

Chris4:46 of it not being a documentary.

Neil4:50 It was my youngest Barney. My youngest Barney. His. He's curiosity squared. He's everything. He's in everything all the time. Absolutely obsessed. He gets properly deep dives and he's obsessed about things. And he did it on the Titanic.

Chris5:04 Right.

Neil5:05 And his grandma used to be the head of English, you know, quite conservative.

Chris5:10 Yeah.

Neil5:11 You know, facts, that kind of thing. Barney convinced her that the Titanic wasn't sunk by a, an ice cube, an iceberg. It was actually shot down by a Russian submarine and it was a torpedo and it. And, and he convinced her that that was, that was actually what went down. And, and because he'd seen it on YouTube and I just looked at this, this like 70 year old woman like 6 year old arguing over the physics of, of like and pine hat. Well, prove it.

Chris5:51 Yeah.

Neil5:52 How do you know it wasn't? I mean, who knows? It's like, how do you know it's not a, you know, Russian submarine? But there you go.

Chris6:00 There we go. Maybe the Russian submarine was hiding in the, in the iceberg.

Neil6:04 Yeah.

Chris6:04 It just came out from underneath. Like James Bond. Like, it, it didn't do that in James Bond, but it would have done that if it wasn't James Bond.

Neil6:10 But I wonder if he thought. This is a doc. It's a great documentary. I'm gonna, I'm gonna get in on this. Anyway, it's been, it's been a long time since we, I've even forgotten what we did. Did we do some 41.

Chris6:24 Yeah.

Neil6:24 That.

Chris6:24 Some 41 was the last one. And even though we've had a break.

Neil6:27 Yeah.

Chris6:27 Everyone's still listening.

Neil6:28 Yeah.

Chris6:29 Well, she's wicked. Thank you, everybody.

Neil6:31 Well done on that for listening. It's. It's good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've been listening to some podcasts. Yeah. Because we've not been making any event chance to listen to some.

Chris6:43 Yeah.

Neil6:43 One of my favorites is Bill Nye's Ill Advised. If you, if you like Bill Nighy. Not the science dude, like the actor man. Yeah. Act. The actor man. Actor.

Chris6:57 Yeah.

Neil6:58 He's been, he's been in some of my favorites. Well, he's, he's played some of my favorite characters.

Chris7:03 Yeah.

Neil7:03 Like, I kind of like him. He's always.

Chris7:05 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Neil7:07 Like, he steals every scene he's ever. And his podcast is basically people asking him questions.

Chris7:15 Right.

Neil7:15 And him just telling you how to do it, you know, how he'd respond to it. And I just, I love him, absolutely adore him to pieces. I think he's absolutely very, very super dry.

Chris7:27 Yeah.

Neil7:27 Funny.

Chris7:28 Yeah.

Neil7:28 And I love the fact that he is one of those people that doesn't like, I get the feeling that his success and that people like him is a shock to him.

Chris7:39 Yeah. Okay.

Neil7:40 If that makes sense. He's like, yeah, I have no idea why, you know, like my producer, like my, my, my agent is making me do this. And then someone will ask it like, like, I don't know, what's your favorite colored toothbrush? And then he'll describe or, you know, should you wear like Velcro shoes as a grown up? And then they'll respond to it. And he's, he's brilliant.

Chris8:07 What's your view on that?

Neil8:08 Velcro? Yeah, I, I've got, I've Got a very difficult Velcro story to tell you, so.

Chris8:16 Yeah,

Neil8:18 I don't care.

Chris8:19 Yeah.

Neil8:19 I'm not a shoe person. Really.

Chris8:20 Yeah.

Neil8:21 If you want to wear Velcro shoes, go for it. Don't like the noise Velcro makes?

Chris8:25 No, it's got. It's like. It makes your teeth go.

Neil8:27 Yeah, it's a pleasant. Do you want to hear my Velcro story? Yeah, it's been bit traumatic this week.

Chris8:31 Yeah. It's a current story.

Neil8:33 Current Velcro story. Yeah, I would say. Yeah. Velcro adjacent story. Velcro is a big part of it.

Chris8:40 Yeah.

Neil8:41 But it's not the. Not the starring role. But it is Velcro related. I'm thinking about it. I. Eight ages ago, like five years ago, I painted our stairs.

Chris8:55 Yeah.

Neil8:56 In like a gray paint.

Chris8:57 Didn't something. I'm aware the. The. Didn't one of the kids knock it over or something?

Neil9:02 Oh, yeah. Oh, no. Yeah, That's. That's years and years ago.

Chris9:04 Different paint.

Neil9:05 Different. Different problem. Yeah, that. That was something else. So. So I'm. I painted all the banisters and everything with this paint, and I hate it.

Chris9:11 Yeah.

Neil9:11 I really don't like it. And so I thought I'm. What I'm gonna do is I'm gonna strip it all back. I'm gonna sand it all.

Chris9:18 You did that yourself?

Neil9:19 Yeah, yeah, I like sanding.

Chris9:21 No, it was in, like the. Oh, gosh.

Neil9:23 Yeah. I like painting. I like sanding.

Chris9:25 Yeah. It's a bit weird, but you do DIY in that.

Neil9:27 Don't you do all that DIY that? I like. But I like sanding and I like. I like painting. Anyway, so. So I've been sending it all back.

Chris9:35 Yeah.

Neil9:36 And, you know, and it takes a long time. It's really intricate and it's boring. It's quite. Quite. I like it. Anyway, I'm sending away and Lizzie was like, can I ever go at that? And I was like, well, you can do.

Chris9:50 Yeah, yeah.

Neil9:51 And I was going out to give blood.

Chris9:53 Okay. And I'm just booked to do that. Have you.

Neil9:55 Yeah, I just did mine at Midway.

Chris9:58 Yeah.

Neil9:59 Community center.

Chris10:00 Yeah.

Neil10:00 The first time it's been run there, apparently.

Chris10:02 Yeah. Oh, that's good. Yeah.

Neil10:03 Lovely. Lovely biscuits and everything. Anyway, so I said, look, I'm going to.

Chris10:06 Favorite biscuits you have from there.

Neil10:08 Oh, I have a bourbon.

Chris10:09 Do you?

Neil10:10 Yeah, I do.

Chris10:10 Digestives.

Neil10:11 Do you? I like.

Chris10:12 And so. And if they have them. Salt and vinegar, crinkly crisps. Oh, yeah.

Neil10:15 They're nice as well.

Chris10:15 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Neil10:17 So I'm going out the house and I said, look, here's the sander. Be gentle with it. It's my. It's one of my favorite things. But don't upset my sander. I'll be back in an hour.

Chris10:28 Oh, I need to tell you about my watch in a minute. Sorry.

Neil10:31 So I go. I go to the. I go to the. I go to the Gift Blood, which is great. And I enjoy that. It's lovely.

Chris10:38 Yeah, yeah.

Neil10:38 And I get.

Chris10:39 I like it as well. I like it when they. When they. Because they look after you.

Neil10:44 Yeah, that's what I like. Quiet. No one bothers you.

Chris10:47 Yeah.

Neil10:49 Anyway, I get back and Liz is not doing the sanding. You're right. She's your sanders. Rubbish. It doesn't work. She's just leaving black marks everywhere. It's rubbish. And I go and look at my beautiful sander.

Chris11:05 Yeah.

Neil11:06 And you know the Velcro bit.

Chris11:08 Yeah.

Neil11:08 She's not put the sand. You know, she's not put sandpaper on it. She's tried to sand the stair. She's tried to sand the banister with the Velcro and now nothing will stick to it because she's, like melted the Velcro off the bottom. And then she was in a huff.

Chris11:28 Yeah.

Neil11:28 Like, just moping around.

Chris11:30 Yeah, yeah.

Neil11:32 And then I got. So now I've had to go online and you can buy these special. I don't think she's the first person to have done this. You can buy these strips on Amazon where you. They, like, glue over the.

Chris11:43 They glue over the things.

Neil11:44 Yeah. You could get the old one off, which is really difficult.

Chris11:45 Yeah.

Neil11:46 But there you go. That's my Velcro story. I don't mind on shoes. Tell me about your watch.

Chris11:50 It's running fast.

Neil11:51 They all do mechanical watches. Rubbish.

Chris11:53 It's got. Yeah, it's gone fast. How'd you do that? What do you do with that? To make it not do that?

Neil11:56 You. You take the back off.

Chris11:58 Yeah.

Neil11:59 And there's like a little lever.

Chris12:00 Yeah.

Neil12:01 And I've got a mic, if you bring it. Well, we have to. You need to find somewhere quiet.

Chris12:04 Yeah.

Neil12:04 I've got a little microphone and you can. And I've got something called. I've got. I wrote some code, like a time grapher. So, yeah, it reads the. It reads the ticks, like.

Chris12:14 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Neil12:14 And then. And then it can tell whether it's running too fast or too slow. You do it live. You kind of clamp in.

Chris12:20 Yeah.

Neil12:20 And it will tell you how fast or slow it's going.

Chris12:23 Yeah.

Neil12:24 And then you nudge this, like, little

Chris12:25 lever and it sorts it out.

Neil12:27 Yeah. But it's one of those. It's like. It'll be like 20 seconds a day or something.

Chris12:32 Yeah.

Neil12:33 And you nudge it and It'll be like 5, 000 seconds.

Chris12:35 Yeah. What's up with this? So I'll tell you the story. What happened?

Neil12:38 Oh, God.

Chris12:38 Then I didn't wear it for a few days.

Neil12:39 Yeah.

Chris12:40 And then it stopped.

Neil12:41 Yeah.

Chris12:41 And then when I put it on, you know, like, you. You move your underhand a bit and then it, like, starts going. Yeah, like the guitar me. Because I thought it was broken.

Neil12:48 Yeah.

Chris12:48 And then you just move. And then I just moved. Yeah, and then it works.

Neil12:52 Yeah.

Chris12:52 Like magic.

Neil12:53 Yeah. Yeah, that sounds about right.

Chris12:55 So it wasn't working.

Neil12:57 Yeah.

Chris12:57 And there's probably a good 10 minutes where I was wearing it.

Neil12:59 Yeah.

Chris12:59 And it wasn't working. So I got. I got a bit vigorous.

Neil13:02 Yeah.

Chris13:03 With some hand movements to try. And you can get it to go.

Neil13:06 Pull the. Pull the. Oh, come on, brain. You pull the thing out.

Chris13:11 Yeah.

Neil13:11 You knock it back in a little bit. You can twist it.

Chris13:13 Yeah.

Neil13:14 It'll be an NA. I think it's an NH35.

Chris13:16 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Neil13:17 You'll be able to. God. This. Cop this.

Chris13:19 No, I can do that. I can do the. Setting it when it's wrong.

Neil13:22 No, no, you can wind it.

Chris13:24 Oh, no. What's this? What does this mean?

Neil13:26 So you can. You can. There's a spring in it and you can wind it up so it winds up when you wave your hands around.

Chris13:31 Yeah.

Neil13:32 But you can also twist it.

Chris13:33 Just do it manually.

Neil13:34 And do it manually.

Chris13:35 This is like education and on and.

Neil13:36 And often. If they've got. If you've not.

Chris13:38 They don't teach you this at school, do they not.

Neil13:39 But no. Well, no, if you've not been run for a bit.

Chris13:41 Yeah.

Neil13:42 The spring can be, you know, obviously a bit weak. And so what you might find is wear it for a day or two. They normally tell you before you time them to wear it for a couple of days.

Chris13:51 Yeah, yeah. And I was vigorous. And then I was vigorous. After being vigorous, it now runs fast.

Neil13:57 How fast?

Chris13:58 Oh, like ridiculous. Oh, like. Like, if I wear it for a day.

Neil14:04 Yeah.

Chris14:05 I'm probably like an hour out, you know.

Neil14:06 Oh, really?

Chris14:07 Yeah, yeah. I've really upset it.

Neil14:08 Yeah, that's b.

Chris14:13 But I did spot on. The shop where we get the watches from, they've actually done their own new design. That looks very cool.

Neil14:18 They do.

Chris14:18 But.

Neil14:19 But they. They're it's an NH35.

Chris14:22 Yeah.

Neil14:22 Any watchmaker will be able to deal with it, really. And if you give it to me, I'll. I'll do. I'll. I'll. I'll tweak it.

Chris14:28 Cool.

Neil14:29 Or break it.

Chris14:29 1. One of the two.

Neil14:32 So what. What. What does that mean, then? What do we do?

Chris14:36 15 minutes.

Neil14:37 Yeah.

Chris14:38 We haven't even talked about anything yet. Actually, I said nickelback about 10 minutes ago. Oh, God.

Neil14:44 I'm Neil, you're Chris. Yes, we are. Oh. Oh. I nearly got excited until we've got Lindsay coming in, next week's come in. But what I meant to say was this is about Nickelback. We're gonna do Silver side Up. I've been aching to do this for ages. And one of the. You know what really irritates me about this album is this dead good. And it was, like, with it for a period of time. Bit like Oasis for a massive period of time. It was like this cool. Like by morons. This cool thing to say. Nickelbacker. Rubbish.

Chris15:22 Yeah.

Neil15:22 You know, I mean, or it. It was like. Yeah. You know, it was like, used as some kind of insults.

Chris15:28 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Neil15:29 A bit like people do for Taylor Swift as well.

Chris15:31 Yeah.

Neil15:31 It's.

Chris15:32 Anyone who's massive in it, anyone who's done really well for themselves, just. They want to rip them down, don't they?

Neil15:37 The thing is, with this album, it's brilliant.

Chris15:40 Yeah. Yeah.

Neil15:41 The songwriting's dead good. It's dead catchy.

Chris15:44 Production's awesome.

Neil15:46 Oh, yeah. The production is very cool. It was a real. How to describe it? There is. I quite liked.

Chris15:56 They're a great band.

Neil15:57 I quite like them, like, before this album. Yeah, yeah, they did. I'm just looking on their discography to make sure that I get things the right way around because I always get these two mixed up. So they did Curb.

Chris16:10 Yeah.

Neil16:10 In 96 and the state in 99.

Chris16:14 Okay. So there's the third album.

Neil16:16 Yeah. Now, I can't remember the order which I heard these two. They. It was a friend of mine who had had these on. On. On the compact disc. You know the CDR cd. Yeah.

Chris16:34 Oh, the burnt one.

Neil16:35 Yeah, the burnt one. It was a little gold one.

Chris16:37 Yeah.

Neil16:37 With handwritten labels on there for the track names. And there was a track on the State called There's Two Cowboy Hat and Leader of Men. And they were on this. This cd.

Chris16:51 Like a mixtape for you?

Neil16:52 Yeah, yeah. Well, no, I don't think he made it for me. I didn't love me or anything, but

Chris16:55 it was just like.

Neil16:56 It was just this. This CD that I ended up borrowing off him or whatever. He had a bunch of stuff on. They had like, a bunch of, like, three Doors down.

Chris17:03 Yeah.

Neil17:03 You know, it was that. All that kind of American radio rock stuff that was like, coming out of the. Of the US And I really liked it. And I really liked Silver side Up as well. I thought it was. I thought it was a cool album. When it. When. When it came out, it was. It felt to me like, bizarrely here in the uk. It felt like a breath of fresh air. We had, like, kind of rap rock and we had. It was. If you remember at the time, what was huge was like. Like Linkin Park.

Chris17:30 Yeah.

Neil17:33 Oh, God. I'm trying to think who. Who. I let Limp Biscuits.

Chris17:36 Yeah.

Neil17:36 Corn and massive. It was kind of very new metal. It was a lot of shouty loud.

Chris17:43 Yeah.

Neil17:43 Do you know what I mean? It was kind of staccato, kind of funky stuff.

Chris17:47 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Not this. This is more like old rock grunge.

Neil17:51 Yeah. This is kind of melodic rock, isn't. It's kind of this. This. You know, But. But it was funny. This. It felt. This felt like a breath of fresh air.

Chris17:58 Yeah.

Neil17:59 Here in. In the uk, at least. At least when. How. You remind me. Because it was. It just blew up, didn't it, from.

Chris18:07 Yeah. I remember hearing it. There was. There's a few things going on at times. Like Creed had brought some out. That was dead good.

Neil18:12 Yeah.

Chris18:13 And it was the thing where everyone was caught, like, calling it, you know, all the. All the. Because it was successful. Everyone who liked that kind of music was like, oh, no, not this. This sellout stuff. And he's like. But it's exactly the same as the stuff that you listen to. Like, you listen to people that sing exactly like that. With a guitar tone that's exactly like that and drums that sound exactly like that. With songs that are structured in that way, it's just. They've done a really big hit like. Like when we were listening through. Just setting a few things up and listening to the album sort of, you know, through the week and stuff. You listen to all these song. That's a great song. That's a great song. That's a great song. Any of these songs for any of the bands.

Neil18:56 Yeah.

Chris18:57 Would be a single.

Neil18:58 Yeah.

Chris18:59 And they'd be great. That'd be a really great single. And they all pale in comparison to how you remind me as this just

Neil19:05 how you remind me.

Chris19:06 Huge thing. That's just it. Like, it doesn't get any more perfect as a kind of radio rock song.

Neil19:14 It's just immediate, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, it's, but it's a, it was a funny year.

Chris19:17 Yeah.

Neil19:18 Like it was really funny because didn't

Chris19:19 it launch the day of.

Neil19:22 So if you, if you think that, if you think about the, the, the, the, the day it was released, you had Jay Z release the Blueprint, Bob Dylan released Love and Theft, Slayer released God Hates Us all like a month before this. Slipknot who are on the same label released Iowa because they were. It's phenomenal. I always forget they're on Roadrunner.

Chris19:44 Yes. Yeah.

Neil19:44 It didn't make any sense like Roadrunners roster to make Nickelback didn't fit.

Chris19:50 No.

Neil19:50 The AOR guy who found Nickelback couldn't get, couldn't get approval to sign them because they didn't fit.

Chris19:58 Yeah.

Neil19:58 What was going on?

Chris19:59 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Neil19:59 The label were like, all right, all right, maybe we'll another time.

Chris20:03 The band were broke as well.

Neil20:04 Yeah, yeah.

Chris20:05 This was like everything into their, their

Neil20:07 other albums and pumped everything into the previous and probably about ready to call it. Yeah. I mean it's just funny given it gone a little bit, but not, it had gone stratospheric and yeah, it was released on September 11th. So you know, you've got a good couple of weeks where nothing, you know, no one's talking, no one's buying records. The whole world were focused on George Bush.

Chris20:31 Yeah.

Neil20:32 You know, it was, it was bonkers. I mean that's like what, 25.

Chris20:36 Yeah.

Neil20:37 25 years ago.

Chris20:39 Yeah. Where were you that day?

Neil20:42 Oh, I, I, I remember we'd been like. I worked for alliance and Leicester at the time and we'd all been, we had a site in Jar Gyrobank site up in Bootle and we'd been up there for the morning for this like staff meeting and so we'd all been up there and then, and then come back. Right. So we'd, so we'd been, been to Bitlo and then, and then we'd, we, we'd come back and I can't, it would have been afternoon. Like we'd, we'd done a bit, all the stuff we've got to do, had lunch. It was two hour drive back. I remember it was like three o' clock, something like that when we came back and of course the news was everywhere and it was all kind of breaking and like it was funny. I was, I was telling the boys this, my boys that, like, like the intern. The Internet. We had the Internet, but it didn't carry this. And it was just down. It was like no one could figure out what was going on. And a large part of it was like for us, we, we. We'd got like data center stuff and server stuff that was in like in the towers. The towers were hosting a ton of. Ton of like data and telecom stuff. And so we'd got this tiny little 4 inch portable TV. I don't know you could ever remember them, but they're like kind of, you know, tiny little tv. Your mate Daz had got one and he went and fetched that. And we were like, you know, we'd go. We'd got this kind of makeshift antenna so we could sit. We got this kind of blurry, you know, fuzzy pictures.

Chris22:12 Yeah. Yeah.

Neil22:12 We could hardly see what was going on. So how about you? What were you doing?

Chris22:16 I think I was just mates.

Neil22:18 Yeah.

Chris22:19 Yeah, we were just watching the, watching the thing unfold and it was really surreal.

Neil22:26 It was nuts, wasn't it?

Chris22:27 Absolutely surreal. It felt like you watched like you didn't know what you were watching. And then that second one came in.

Neil22:32 You know, watching the documentaries back on it, it's funny, it brings back the, the. The memories of.

Chris22:40 Yeah.

Neil22:41 Where you, where you were and it changed the world for the best part of 20 years. I mean 25 years it changed, you know, it literally changed the shape of the planet for 25 years. So. But yeah, I mean, bonkers. One of the things I really love about doing this show is it gets, you kind of get to read.

Chris23:01 It's a bit of a time warp in it.

Neil23:02 Yeah. You get to go back and think and imagine what was, what was going on. Yeah. In, you know, in those, in those times.

Chris23:09 But it's interesting, I think what one of the, the interviews where it was talking about, you know, how you remind me and everyone being pretty sad around that time because of what was going on. And a lot of the music that was being released actually was quite sad sounding and dark sounding. People felt like how you remind me was. Had a different energy to it. It made people smile, it made people sing.

Neil23:31 Well, like, you know, if you look at, At Nickelback, if you look at the State and Curb before it. Yeah, the songs weren't very. I think they musically and structurally the songs are, are pretty cool. I think the songs are pretty cool. I think Leader of men and cowboy Hats. I, I Very, very cool. Breathe is really good as well. But, but they're not authentic.

Chris24:05 No, no.

Neil24:06 Do you know what I mean? I kind of it's like this is the closest I can think of as if you've got AI to write it.

Chris24:11 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Neil24:12 AI, tell me, tell me, you know, tell me how a human might feel about something. They feel a little bit like.

Chris24:18 Yeah.

Neil24:20 Don't know how to describe them, but that they're flat. Two dimensional.

Chris24:28 Yeah. There was something that. On the. On the blog post at Riffology co. Well done.

Neil24:34 Yeah. Get that in there.

Chris24:35 Yeah. Like.

Neil24:36 And subscribe.

Chris24:40 Which he was talking about how he used to write in riddles quite a lot and then people couldn't access the songs very well.

Neil24:48 And there's definitely some of that. Good. But those first two felt like they were how. I don't know, like a 10 year old would imagine a breakup.

Chris25:00 Yeah.

Neil25:00 Do you know what I mean? They're. They're stereotypical.

Chris25:03 Yeah.

Neil25:04 Pretty flat. They're not. The songs are pretty cool. The melodies are pretty cool.

Chris25:09 Yeah.

Neil25:11 But there's no. There's no story to them or this. The story that's there is so weak and like.

Chris25:17 Yeah.

Neil25:19 Ephemerals. It's just hardly there. And I think the thing that makes Silver side at work. But I think what. I think there are two things that make it really land. Well. One is the hooks just go from being like 7 out of 10 to like a 10 out of 10, you know? I mean. Yeah, yeah. The hooks are already brilliant.

Chris25:38 Yeah.

Neil25:39 But they just suddenly go. I mean, like how you reminded. Like you said, it's. Everything on this record is really catchy. It's really hooky.

Chris25:48 Yeah.

Neil25:48 It's. It's in media. It's. It proper. It's all proper radio hits.

Chris25:52 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Neil25:53 But how you remind me is that. But like squared. It's just this. It's just. For some reason, it's just that. That bit better. But the songs. There's a story to them. Like never Again's got a story to it. How you remind me. It's got a story to it. Too bad is, you know, where essentially it's about not having a father from when he was. When he was young. Do you know what I mean? It's just. There's stories here.

Chris26:20 Yes.

Neil26:20 In the songs and I think and. And they're personal and I think it's. It's. I don't know. Not that a song desperately needs that. You know, I think it's quite possible to have a really great song without the story.

Chris26:38 Yeah.

Neil26:38 But I think it. It helped. I think here, it's. It all just like amplifies, you know, I mean, The. The hooks are a bit better. The melodies are a bit better. The production's a little bit sweeter.

Chris26:52 Yeah.

Neil26:52 The. The. The songs and the stories just feel a little bit more authentic. Like everything's just this. Everything's just this bit better.

Chris27:02 Yeah.

Neil27:02 And I think it just all, like, mass. I don't know. It just all amplifies.

Chris27:07 Yes.

Neil27:07 Here.

Chris27:07 Yeah.

Neil27:08 And then they continue. I mean, after. It's as you go after this, like, if you. If you go and look at the stuff that comes after it, they were. They were everywhere. Right. So. Because after this, you had the long road.

Chris27:21 Yeah.

Neil27:22 So. And on there, you've got Someday feeling way too damn good and figured you out so that they were all over the. The press. And then you had all the right reasons in 2005 with. With. With Photograph and Rockstar.

Chris27:38 Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Absolutely massive songs as well.

Neil27:41 They're huge. And I was trying to figure out, like, why. What. Why the backlash.

Chris27:52 Yeah.

Neil27:52 Where did it come from? Why. What is it about Nickelback?

Chris28:13 My hoops just fell When I can

Neil28:17 see the reason why why there is blood on my fleet and all this

Chris28:28 time I thought it might have been. It's not a chance yeah, it's not worth it for me Gets harder every

Neil28:40 time I call you this life you

Chris28:44 lead like slivered in a shiny phone

Neil28:47 room Next time you bleed Right about this time tomorrow Next time you still

Chris28:56 better ask before you borrow. When I

Neil29:14 don't see too up, don't see too well.

Chris29:26 Just grab your ship and leave with it they won't make no statues of you it's not worth it for me Gets hotter every time I call you

Neil29:40 this life you lead Like a swim in a shiny ball room Next time

Chris29:47 you bleed Right about this time tomorrow Next time you still better ask before you borrow this lab Find a better

Neil30:01 power suited for you this die to

Chris30:05 wait Is coming down upon you. This time I forgot it I swear

Neil30:26 my shit was riding and this time

Chris30:29 I believe it's awesome See the sh. Need it's not worth it for me Gets harder every time I call you

Neil30:42 this life you like shiny bone Next

Chris30:48 time you bleed Right about this time

Neil30:52 tomorrow Next time you steal Better aspect for your borrow this.

Chris31:07 Coming down upon you. How youw remind Me they told us

Neil31:42 was the most played song in American history.

Chris31:48 No. No other band in all of American history has ever been played more on the radio than we have. That's hard to comprehend. You think of like Hotel California by the Eagles or Led Zeppelin or the Beatles or Elvis or somebody. Somebody must have been played more times on the radio than we have. And, I mean, it's just. It's very bizarre. And every time we get one of those strange facts, you know, they told us one week for the last four weeks, you were the highest selling rock band in the world. Nobody sold more records than you in the entire world. And you have to sort of try and comprehend that. It's like, wow, how could we possibly

Neil32:24 sell more records than you, too?

Chris32:27 Oh, because they didn't have a record out. Oh. It's like all the other. All the other bands were already on tour or else they were, like, recording their albums. And. And that's the only way we probably could have pulled it off.

Neil32:37 Like, you two, to me, like, too serious.

Chris32:42 Yeah.

Neil32:43 And they put an album in my itunes, and I didn't ask for it.

Chris32:49 No one's ever gonna forget that.

Neil32:50 I didn't like that at all. I'm like, just get out of my. You know me. Get. Just. This is my space. Get out of it. And so I can see. I look, I. I can totally see why. Like, you two are awesome. Like, their early stuff is. Is really, really cool. They kind of evolved into this caricature of themselves.

Chris33:15 Yeah.

Neil33:16 To some degree.

Chris33:16 I, like, I played something today where the streets have no name.

Neil33:20 I love that. Yeah. Joshua Tree.

Chris33:22 I think so.

Neil33:22 Yeah. I like that era. I thought they were. I think they were cool.

Chris33:25 Demons Land. That's a good song.

Neil33:27 They were cool, cool back then. They were a cool band. But then they. They. They. They just became this, like, caricature of themselves. It's a little bit weird. I think they took themselves a bit too seriously.

Chris33:37 Yeah. Yeah.

Neil33:39 And I totally get why the world ridiculed them to some degree. I think they just got to this point where they just. You know, because if you think about it, with you too, it was never like, oh, you, like, you two, You're. You're a. Yeah, it was all aimed. It was. It was like personal insult at the band. Do you know what I mean? And it's, like, subtly different.

Chris34:03 Yeah.

Neil34:03 Whereas Nickelback was like, oh, well, you know, if you like Nickelback.

Chris34:08 Yeah.

Neil34:08 That makes you a moron.

Chris34:10 Yeah.

Neil34:10 That makes you. You don't know anything about music. You're an absolute idiot. And you just think, what did Nickelback ever do to do that? They didn't put anything in my itunes.

Chris34:19 Yeah.

Neil34:20 They just dicked about and never took themselves seriously. Whenever you hear them in the press, they're never like, you know, oh, yeah, we want to change the world with rock music. You Know, they're just like. We're just having a good laugh. I mean, we, we. We like music, we like guitars. So that, that's what we do, like, is here's a big chorus and here's a massive song. Do you know what I mean? And like. Yeah, how, how did that. And I think, I think it's. It's like that Taylor Swift thing as well, isn't it? They're just too big.

Chris34:52 Yeah.

Neil34:52 And I think they. It was that relentlessness of it. It was everywhere.

Chris34:56 Yes.

Neil34:57 And there were a couple of journalists who were. They're a little bit reductive and a little bit like, oh, all of those bands sound the same. Like three years down.

Chris35:08 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Neil35:09 You know what I mean? They were just like. All of these bands sound just the same band.

Chris35:12 Derivative.

Neil35:13 Yeah, it's all identical. You know, I think there were like six or seven bands or like all American bands.

Chris35:18 Yeah.

Neil35:19 All in the radio and, you know, they all sound exactly the same.

Chris35:23 Yeah.

Neil35:23 But it's funny because, like, they're not.

Chris35:25 Yeah.

Neil35:26 I don't know.

Chris35:27 It's like people who like rock music talk about dance music. It's like, just all sounds the same. It's all rubbish.

Neil35:35 It's like someone saying, like, new wave of British heavy metal.

Chris35:38 Yeah, yeah.

Neil35:38 All sounds the same. Rubbish. Like. No, no one's saying that. I know, it's, oh, Judas Presand, like Iron Maiden.

Chris35:44 Yeah.

Neil35:44 Pointing that. Yeah. Nobody is just. Which you. I think if you were not in that scene, you could easily point at the new wave of British heavy metal and go, it all sounds the same. It's all, you know.

Chris35:53 Yeah, yeah.

Neil35:54 It's all the same band. And that's basically what they're doing. They're kind of pointing at this, this scene of, of kind of, you know, heavy rock music from the US and kind of saying, it all sounds the same.

Chris36:04 Yeah, yeah.

Neil36:04 But for whatever reason, it just got this. I wonder if the Internet's got.

Chris36:08 Did we do a Three Doors down album?

Neil36:10 We did. Yeah, yeah, we did. I can't remember. I'm gonna, I just, just, just hang, hang, hang. Hang tight for me while I go in. Which one? There's one big. Oh, yeah, we did the Better Life.

Chris36:22 Yeah, of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Neil36:24 One of my favorite albums got Kryptonite on it.

Chris36:26 Yes. Yeah. Massive tune.

Neil36:28 That loser Duck and Run. Very, very, very good.

Chris36:31 But yeah, they were all. They were. They were lumped in together, weren't they?

Neil36:34 Yeah, they're so creed stained.

Chris36:37 Yeah. See, creator having a bit of a resurgence at the minute. Yeah.

Neil36:40 Loads of them. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true.

Chris36:44 With arms wide open.

Neil36:51 You could do that.

Chris36:53 Yeah. And that's the thing is, it's. Which is strange because people used to put. People used to put my voice in the same camp as that, because I. I suppose I do sing with a bit of an American accent.

Neil37:04 Yeah, you do. You do.

Chris37:06 Without meaning to. But I think. I think it's changed over time. It's not quite so bad as it was.

Neil37:09 They've got. So we could do Creed. We could do My Own Prison. We could do. Yeah, we could do My own prison from 97.

Chris37:18 Yeah.

Neil37:18 Well, I really like that. And then Human Clay.

Chris37:24 That was the one, wasn't it? That was.

Neil37:25 Yeah. That had higher on it, didn't it? And

Chris37:31 what if that's got that riff on it?

Neil37:34 Very, very.

Chris37:35 You take me higher.

Neil37:39 And then we could do Stained. I like Stained.

Chris37:41 Yeah. Outside was a good song made.

Neil37:43 Yeah. Sustained. Can we do that? 2001? Yeah, we could do. It's Been A While Outside.

Chris37:48 Oh, yeah. Good songs.

Neil37:50 Fred Durst signed them. Did he? Yeah, in between whatever else.

Chris37:57 He was doing some good albums here in there. We could do.

Neil37:59 See, it is cool. I'm just. I'm skimming through what else was on there because we had a plan of

Chris38:03 doing all these albums and we've already broken the plan.

Neil38:06 Have we?

Chris38:07 Yeah. We were talking about different things, weren't we?

Neil38:08 Oh, I can't remember, but there's like. There's. There's a ton of stuff in there. Oh, Three Days Grace as well. Yeah. What would we do?

Chris38:16 Remember Three Colors Red?

Neil38:20 I do, yeah. We said we were going to do them, but we never did it. And you know, cuz that was a

Chris38:26 good song that they did. Beautiful Day. I like that song.

Neil38:29 Yeah, that's it. What is it? Yeah, it was South Pure.

Chris38:34 Everyone had strings, didn't they? That was a thing for a bit, everyone. Big, big, big. Kind of like rock ballads.

Neil38:41 Post rock.

Chris38:42 Yeah, yeah, but with. But with strings on it.

Neil38:46 Oh, look. Oh, Beautiful Day is off. Revolt.

Chris38:49 Yeah. Okay.

Neil38:49 Yeah, 99.

Chris38:51 Well, we could do that one.

Neil38:52 Yeah, yeah, we could totally do that. I don't know why we didn't. We got. I started point the AI at our back catalog and said, yeah, pick an album.

Chris39:03 Yeah, yeah.

Neil39:04 Just so I could argue with it. I quite like that.

Chris39:09 I think you should do that. You go, no, I'm not doing that.

Neil39:11 Yeah, there's nothing like arguing with AI. Because what it does, you go. You kind of go, here's the music that we've done before, what should we do next? And it will go always. Right now, it goes. You should do this Metallica album. Because whenever we cover Metallica, there's like a thousand people download it in a day. And you're like, okay, yeah, but. But I'm like. I just. You know, it's not. We're not the Metallica Appreciation. I like Metallica, but we're not the Metallica Appreciation Society. So we'll cover it when we're ready. But then all of. All of a sudden, it will say stuff like, you know, you should. You should do and justice for all.

Chris39:48 Yeah.

Neil39:50 But whatever you do, don't do more niche British albums. Because. Because it can see. Because of the stats. Why do you. I give it the. I give it all the stats for the downloads for every. Every record.

Chris40:02 Yeah.

Neil40:02 And it's like we. We did like four or five British albums.

Chris40:06 Yeah.

Neil40:06 Well, I don't think. I think I listened to it more than anyone else. And. Yeah. So he just keeps it. Don't do those, of course. Like, it's like. I just. I just like red. Red back to a board.

Chris40:15 That's what we're doing.

Neil40:16 That's what I'm doing there. Just what would you know? I'm the human. I'm in charge. You shall not tell me what to do.

Chris40:24 Yeah.

Neil40:25 Although I do. I do think my friend Chris, who's. Oh, God.

Chris40:32 He.

Neil40:32 In theory, he's retired and got another job at the same time. Not sure if you can do that, but that's what he's done. Yeah. But we were. We were chatting about AI and he was telling me that he's. He's been like, super kind to it, so that when it takes over, the world kills him last.

Chris40:49 Yeah.

Neil40:51 We got into this debate about whether that was a good. Like, do you want to get. Should it. I think I'd want to go first.

Chris40:56 Yeah. Just get it out of the way. I'm not done with.

Neil40:58 I'm not here for the whole. Like.

Chris41:00 Yeah, yeah.

Neil41:01 Sarah Connor. Yeah. I'm not. Do you know what I mean?

Chris41:04 Full Skynet.

Neil41:05 Yeah, that. I'm not here for that. Thank you. If you're going to have a war with the AI is winning, just scratch me out quick. I don't want to live in that. I don't want. I don't want to live in that kind of world.

Chris41:32 Please don't be too long Oh, I

Neil41:35 gone there ain't enough to keep me too long and I.

Chris41:39 Like, the last time I stood in line just Enough to keep me boxing off the wall yeah. The new trade that comes around Bills and all Enough to kill him while

Neil42:03 he sleeps Ain't his this the alley we drag him to Just stop. A Bollywood nominee. If it worked like she said it would Just like,

Chris42:17 just like a bad dream or so it seems Just like

Neil42:21 I'm back in emergency we really worked alike, she said. What?

Chris42:26 Just alike.

Neil42:27 Look at how and just like

Chris42:34 demon. Sam. Don't be too long While you gone There ain't enough to keep me too

Neil43:33 long not like the last time I

Chris43:36 stood in line Just enough to keep me bouncing on the wall if it

Neil43:41 was alike she said it was just alike

Chris43:46 Just alike A bad dream Just alike.

Neil43:54 Alike.

Chris43:55 You said it was just alike. We were on tour with Three Doors down, and the bass player and I were in a. In a dressing room in Kansas City and there were these huge beautiful lamps and we decided we were gonna, you know, be rock stars and smash them and like trash them the room. And so when we were done, I just felt bad. I just felt like that was really stupid. We should clean this up. See, I'm never going to be a rock star.

Neil44:35 We've been watching this thing called. It made me laugh way more than it should. We're watching this thing called. I think it's called 7Up or 7Up. And it's back in the 50s or 60s. They took this group of children and then they interviewed them every seven years.

Chris44:56 Oh, yeah, no, I remember this. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Neil44:58 And there's a bit in there where they interview someone there and they're talking about the spastics bus.

Chris45:03 Yeah.

Neil45:03 And the spastic society.

Chris45:05 Yeah.

Neil45:06 And there's this posh guy talking about them and it's just like you. It's so matter of fact.

Chris45:10 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Neil45:11 And I'm like. And you can't say that. You can't say that. And it's just like. So.

Chris45:15 Yeah.

Neil45:16 Do you know what I mean?

Chris45:17 Yeah.

Neil45:18 Honestly, it just. Yeah. That put me on the floor. I thought, I can't. There was that. And then I watched one. I watched that documentary about Tourette's.

Chris45:25 Yeah.

Neil45:26 A combination of the two. It just happened. New underwear. I just. Look, how. I don't know. Like, I'm not really a grown up.

Chris45:35 Yeah.

Neil45:35 Do you know when you realize that? Just little things.

Chris45:39 Yeah.

Neil45:39 And I'm sure those producers for the Tourette's program, they know exactly. They did it exactly on purpose. They took a load of people with Tourette's and put them on a bus.

Chris45:48 Yeah.

Neil45:49 And in an Enclosed space. So they're all like ticking away.

Chris45:53 Yeah.

Neil45:53 And then they're all setting each other off and then. Oh, God. It's just. Do you know what I mean? And it's just too much. It's too much.

Chris46:00 I never watched that.

Neil46:01 If you're not. It's. I forget what it was called. I can't believe the producers are in prison. So.

Chris46:07 Yeah.

Neil46:08 It's just like. And I mean, they're all laughing.

Chris46:12 Yeah.

Neil46:12 And they're all having a really good time doing it. But you just think they're only doing this to make fun of her.

Chris46:17 Yeah. Yeah.

Neil46:18 And it's.

Chris46:18 But for the reaction.

Neil46:19 Yeah. And it's like. But it's. I don't know. It is not. It's. It's not. They made me reflect a little bit. Like. Like, it's not. I'm not laughing at them. I'm. I'm laughing at, like, how the. The things they're saying are so, like, jarring to societal norms.

Chris46:38 Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Neil46:39 And like. You know what I mean? And it's kind of. I'm like, you can't say that you.

Chris46:44 And.

Neil46:44 And it's the thing that they say that you just think is funny and what the documentary did do, which I thought was a phenomenal job, is made you realize that that is incredibly funny. And the things that they're saying are incredibly funny. But they live an incredibly isolated life in some cases because, like, they. You. Because of. Because of that, like, jarring against societal norms. They can't.

Chris47:08 They just can't operate in the.

Neil47:10 Yeah. They can't go and do normal stuff. So they tend to isolate themselves and it leads them to being really. Yeah. So.

Chris47:17 And they're vicious cycles then.

Neil47:18 Yeah, exactly. So getting them all together.

Chris47:20 Yeah.

Neil47:21 Is like.

Chris47:22 Yeah.

Neil47:22 You know what I mean? Like, because there's typically. They won't know anybody else with Tourette's and stuff.

Chris47:27 Yeah.

Neil47:27 So, yeah, I did like that. But I did feel that the producers putting them on a bus together was unnecessary. Ill advised is what Bill Nighy would say. It was ill advised. But. But. There you go. So. And. But, yeah, very good. Oh, and the seven up thing is quite funny. That's. That's. They're very long episodes we all know I can't cope with. We watched when it was nearly two hours long.

Chris47:55 Wow.

Neil47:56 And getting back to the music. How long's this album? Do you know how long this album.

Chris48:00 I. I didn't know. I didn't pay that much attention to Time Timey.

Neil48:05 Why me? It is 39 minutes long.

Chris48:09 Oh, that's quite good. Is there. Was it 12 tracks?

Neil48:11 13 sold 8 million copies.

Chris48:14 Yeah.

Neil48:15 10 tracks.

Chris48:17 All right, so they're quite long songs, then.

Neil48:19 About three and a half minutes. But I just, I, I, Yeah, I. It's a funny. Yeah, I think it's a funny album, this one is for that. Because I always think this album's longer than it is.

Chris48:36 Yeah.

Neil48:38 And it just, it's just over. It just runs through quickly. There's tracks on here that I think should have been singles as well, like Never Again. I can't believe that wasn't a single. Woke up this Morning I think should have been single. But, but yeah, it's, it's, yeah, it, it, I think it's.

Chris49:00 For any other band, there'd be great singles.

Neil49:02 Yeah, it must be. It must have been tough, actually.

Chris49:05 Yeah. Because there are. They've just. They're a load of, like, good songs on it, aren't there?

Neil49:08 Must have been, I think, really, really tough to take that in there and figure out what they want to do. How you Remind me wasn't initially gonna be the lead single, which is crazy. You had to fight for it.

Chris49:20 Yeah.

Neil49:22 And the quotes from the band that they knew how you Remind Me was going to be a hit.

Chris49:26 Yeah.

Neil49:27 But they didn't. Which. I don't know. Outside, you would imagine that in the studio they will go. That is the.

Chris49:34 Just.

Neil49:34 This is just. Because you can hear him get much, much so immediate. But like, you'll know this when you're working on something you don't know, you lose perspective.

Chris49:42 Yeah. No, you do, you know, it's good. But I don't know because.

Neil49:45 Yeah, but you lose perspective on how good. You know what I mean?

Chris49:48 Yeah. Doing the thing to it.

Neil49:50 Yeah. You're so close to it. It's. The nearest I can think of is, you know, if you try to name something and you, like a name will come into your mind. You think, oh, that's a great name. And then because you focus on it, you know that's rubbish.

Chris50:05 Yes.

Neil50:05 It's like when you, the, the thing, you know, when you're looking at how to spell a word.

Chris50:11 Yeah.

Neil50:11 And then if you, if you focus on it too much.

Chris50:14 Yeah. It just doesn't.

Neil50:15 You're convinced that it's not right.

Chris50:16 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Neil50:17 Even short words.

Chris50:18 Yeah.

Neil50:18 You know, that's. Can't be how you spell.

Chris50:20 Yeah.

Neil50:21 How you spell that doesn't look right.

Chris50:23 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Neil50:23 And I, I. It's the same where you, you focus on something. It's like you lose perspective of it a little bit. And like Duke, Kirk Hammett always talks about that, doesn't it, with the Metallica songs from playing. Playing them live because they've been playing them for such a long time and they're such a, you know, they're a hard working man. They're constantly playing the songs live and he's like, you can't just. Obviously everybody wants to hear the song as it was on the album, but we do it every day. Yeah, it's like you, you know, things change, things adapt. Yeah. So there are bits that. There are bits I don't change. But he said if I didn't improvise the solos a little bit every night. You did. I'd just go mad. Yeah, yeah, do it.

Chris51:03 I. What I'd want today, this jam thing. And it's not really a jam thing. You just playing of the normal songs that people like.

Neil51:10 Yeah.

Chris51:11 There was a moment where I just. I fell down a rabbit hole with the guitar and I've not done that for years. Probably. Probably seven or eight minutes of me just shredding, really. Yeah, just going. Just like, just doing that and, you know, finding patterns, finding moments, making shapes, making cool things. And a proper came out of it and he was like, it's just in a pub.

Neil51:40 I just love the thought.

Chris51:41 It was just.

Neil51:42 Just an old guy going to the toilet.

Chris51:45 Our girl's gone, mate. I was absolutely like, just down the thing, down the, down the hole. Good. And. And I came out and the guys were like, yeah, that was good fun, wasn't it? And I was like, oh, God, I forgot I was here, you know? Yeah, I was absolutely. Just. Just wasn't in the universe. It was just amazing.

Neil52:02 I love that flow, isn't it?

Chris52:03 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Neil52:05 I think that's really, really cool. There's. I think it's like a real privilege if you do something where you can get that flow. And. Yeah, I don't think it matters what it is that you're. No, you're just in there doing it. Just.

Chris52:16 Nothing else mattered other than the shapes I was making, the little moments. I was, you know, finding the little phrases and, you know, playing with them. And. Yeah, it's just interesting because you don't do that.

Neil52:26 You're not. You're not a twiddly widdler, are you? Not a shreddy, shreddy shredder.

Chris52:29 No.

Neil52:30 That's really cool.

Chris52:31 No. Yeah. And when I, When I, when I get going. Yeah, yeah, I enjoy doing it, but I think there's that worry that it's like, it's funny. But talk about this album, there's a worry that it'll be perceived as a, you know, a particular thing.

Neil52:44 Right. Yeah. You're worried what people will.

Chris52:46 Showing off, you know. You know, all that sort of negativity, I think.

Neil52:51 Oh, yeah, there's definitely some of that. You get that in every discipline, though, don't you?

Chris52:56 Yeah, yeah.

Neil52:57 You know, I, I. But the photography groups that I'm a part of, if anyone ever does anything in selective color.

Chris53:03 Yeah.

Neil53:04 Where it's black and white and they'll just highlight the red bits.

Chris53:06 Yeah.

Neil53:06 Looks really cool. Every photographer rips them apart.

Chris53:09 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Neil53:10 It's just like, it's not 2005. Do you know what I mean? And it's like. Oh, God. Just.

Chris53:16 Yeah. Schindler's List. Yeah, yeah.

Neil53:21 The Girl in the Red Balloon.

Chris53:22 Yeah.

Neil53:23 That's all that just. I don't know. But, yeah, I think there's definitely a bit of that fear, isn't there? Like, of, of, you know, what will people think?

Chris53:34 Yeah, yeah, there is.

Neil53:35 Of you.

Chris53:36 Yeah.

Neil53:36 Because they're unkind people.

Chris53:38 Yeah.

Neil53:39 Just like they were to Nickelback.

Chris53:41 Yeah.

Neil53:42 And, you know. Well, let's get back to this story because it's cool to, like, nickel back again now.

Chris53:48 Is it?

Neil53:48 Yeah. Oh, it's turned. You're right. Now it's better.

Chris53:51 Oasis was the same, though.

Neil53:52 Yeah. Well, you. I don't think I ever saw this, but you were like, if you, if you' have done like an Oasis song when you were doing Weddings and.

Chris54:00 Yeah. Oh, God, what's this?

Neil54:04 Yeah.

Chris54:04 Why is he playing this rubbish?

Neil54:06 Play Bright side Again.

Chris54:08 Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then now it's like, if you kick off with Wonderwall or something, they're all going off the minds.

Neil54:13 Yeah.

Chris54:15 Yeah. The good thing about Oasis, though, is that they are quite good songs. Yeah, but they're really easy to play.

Neil54:21 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Chris54:21 So you don't have to think about it. It.

Neil54:23 I saw an auction this week for some original photographs.

Chris54:30 Yeah.

Neil54:30 Of Oasis as a four piece.

Chris54:32 Right. Okay.

Neil54:34 Before they were signed. Just as they were.

Chris54:37 Yeah.

Neil54:37 You're playing like a. In pubs and stuff.

Chris54:40 Yeah, yeah.

Neil54:41 The. There's no negatives.

Chris54:44 Yeah.

Neil54:44 It's just the, the 4x6.

Chris54:49 Wow.

Neil54:49 Pictures. And they're. And they're so valuable. They're going up for auction, apparently. But it's mad, isn't it?

Chris54:54 Yeah, yeah.

Neil54:55 I feel like the, like, the physical picture itself is going on. Yeah, yeah. From a time. It's like you. From a Time before.

Chris55:02 Yeah, any. Any of this. Any of this stuff that goes.

Neil55:05 Yeah, the digital stuff. It's. I thought it was really. I don't know. I thought it was interesting. That was really quite cool that they'd been. Been found and. And. You know what I mean? And just. Just were. Just were cool.

Chris55:16 I was asked to submit material for

Neil55:18 the next Santana record.

Chris55:21 Yeah. So I wrote two songs today in my hotel room, and then we recorded. I just sort of jammed them with the band really quickly and got them to record them so I can send them off to New York to his A and R people. And for the most part, the Nickelback record, it almost feels like it's done. I'm not in a hurry to continue writing more stuff for Nickelback now. I just. Instead of forcing it, I'll just sort of let it flow, and if it comes, it comes. And if not, you know, we've got lots of material. The free

Neil56:09 just trying to keep clothing on our backs. And all I hear about it sounds

Chris56:18 so bad, so bad it's too bad,

Neil56:20 it's too bad, too late, so wrong,

Chris56:23 so low

Neil56:26 it's too bad we end

Chris56:28 no time to rewind let's walk Mr.

Neil56:43 You left without saying goodbye Although I'm sure you tried? You call us from time to time to make sure we're alive?

Chris56:58 But you weren't there Right when I needed you the most. And now I dream about it and

Neil57:10 I was so bad, it's so bad,

Chris57:12 it's too bad, it's too bad, Too

Neil57:14 late, so whole, so low

Chris57:19 Too bad we had no time to rewind let's

Neil57:23 walk, let's go it's so bad, it's

Chris57:27 too bad, it's too bad it's too

Neil57:29 late, so wrong, so long

Chris57:34 Too bad we had no time to rewind let's walk, let's go. For tearing us apart? Guess it turned out in the end

Neil58:29 Just look at where we are.

Chris58:32 We made it out

Neil58:36 we still got

Chris58:37 clothing on our backs and now I scream about out. So bad, it's so bad, it's so

Neil58:46 bad it's so, so bad it's too

Chris58:48 bad, it's too bad, too late, so wrong, so long it's too bad we had no time to rewind let's walk, let's go.

Neil59:01 It's so bad, it's too bad, it's

Chris59:04 too bad, it's too late it's so hard, so low it's too bad we have no time to rewind let's walk,

Neil59:14 let's go

Chris59:18 no time, let's go. Yeah there's songs that, you know, you have most of the parts and then you'll have this one part that you just wind up sticking in there just to sort of finish the song. And you really enjoy certain parts of the song. But then you get to, you know, the bridge or something and you're just like, God, I hate this bridge. And then you just have to get rid of it. You know, you've got to be. You've got to be able to like put a mirror on yourself and on the song and say, okay. Even though I wrote it, I have to be critical of it and say, okay. What part of the song do people say? Okay, I don't really dig this. And you've got to be able to just get rid of it. So on our blog@riffology.co, where all of the. All of the information lives about the project.

Neil1:00:17 Is it a project?

Chris1:00:18 I don't know.

Neil1:00:20 How would you describe it?

Chris1:00:21 I don't know really now. It's a thing. It is a thing.

Neil1:00:26 I. I keep reading the. The web's dead. No one uses the Internet anymore.

Chris1:00:34 Don't they?

Neil1:00:34 No one uses the web. Everyone just. You just type things into chat bots, don't you?

Chris1:00:38 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Neil1:00:39 Which goes and fetches stuff from our website.

Chris1:00:42 Yeah, but.

Neil1:00:43 But you can go in there if you want.

Chris1:00:45 Yeah.

Neil1:00:46 Riffology co. Do that. That's dead good.

Chris1:00:49 And you can do it without. Without a bot.

Neil1:00:52 Yeah, yeah.

Chris1:00:53 You just go do it.

Neil1:00:54 Go yourself the old fashioned way. You just type it into the box.

Chris1:00:58 Yeah.

Neil1:00:59 And then. I don't know. Do you wonder if we could do. I keep being tempted to do this, but we could put on there like a requests game. The problem is.

Chris1:01:13 Yeah, but we won't do as we talk.

Neil1:01:14 We would ignore it. We would totally.

Chris1:01:17 We've done this before where we asked people's opinions. There we go. We're not really bothered about your thing.

Neil1:01:20 Everybody wants and justice for all.

Chris1:01:23 Yeah. And the people both want that.

Neil1:01:27 Yeah. We'll do it eventually.

Chris1:01:28 Yeah.

Neil1:01:29 Just not right now.

Chris1:01:30 No. Because we've got other things to do first.

Neil1:01:32 Yeah. I mean, who knows what. But we got. I hate being told what to do.

Chris1:01:36 Yeah.

Neil1:01:37 Especially by machines.

Chris1:01:38 Yeah. No, neither of us are very good at that, are we?

Neil1:01:40 I think it's hard enough with people. Proper, actual grown ups, you know, people. Really intelligent people.

Chris1:01:45 Yeah.

Neil1:01:46 You should do this.

Chris1:01:47 Yeah.

Neil1:01:48 Sisters of mercy, someone told me we should do.

Chris1:01:50 Yeah.

Neil1:01:50 So not gonna do that, obviously.

Chris1:01:52 That's what happened, is it?

Neil1:01:53 I like system.

Chris1:01:53 I like it as well.

Neil1:01:54 But if they hadn't have asked for it. Your own fault.

Chris1:01:59 Yeah, yeah. You brought it on yourself.

Neil1:02:01 Shouldn't you know exactly how. We're like 8 year olds. Cannot tell us what to do.

Chris1:02:07 But one of the things that you've put on the new blog.

Neil1:02:10 Oh, yes.

Chris1:02:11 Is the FAQ section.

Neil1:02:13 FAQs. It came from me reading an article which said Google likes FAQs. So if you put them in FAQs,

Chris1:02:22 then you get the higher. The. Google. Google.

Neil1:02:24 Yeah. Yeah.

Chris1:02:24 Did we have a Google spike?

Neil1:02:28 Yeah, I know it's very late here. I'm not yawning because I'm bored. It's 23:57.

Chris1:02:34 We didn't even start until like nearly 11:00'. Clock.

Neil1:02:38 We did a lot of faffing.

Chris1:02:39 Yeah, we. Yeah, we have time to make up for them. Time to make up for.

Neil1:02:43 Yeah, we did, actually. That's true. I'm looking at the website. You know, the website gets really busy. Well, I say really busy. It's busy for us in. Do you know, I'm gonna do. Can I do. Yeah, let's do year to date.

Chris1:02:56 Yeah.

Neil1:02:56 I'm gonna ask him questions. How many unique visitors do you think the website's had in the last year?

Chris1:03:03 In the last year or this.

Neil1:03:04 This calendar?

Chris1:03:05 I'm not very good at numbers though. You know, like someone says, how, oh, how old do you think I am? I'm gonna go, I'm 76.

Neil1:03:10 I'm gonna 12, 907.

Chris1:03:13 It's too much pressure. So.

Neil1:03:14 So with 50,000.

Chris1:03:16 Really?

Neil1:03:17 50,000 people have been on the website and. Yeah. Which is good.

Chris1:03:24 Yeah.

Neil1:03:24 Most people spend about three minutes on the website.

Chris1:03:27 Yeah.

Neil1:03:27 Which is long enough to do all major tasks. Guess how many people are on the website right now? Oh, three. So look what they're looking at.

Chris1:03:36 Yeah.

Neil1:03:36 Because I can see what they're looking at.

Chris1:03:37 Yeah. And justice for all.

Neil1:03:41 Anthrax among the living. Really? So somebody from. Where's that country? Oh, that's Brazil. How can I not know? Quite clearly that's Brazil. So somebody from Brazil is looking at anthrax among the living. And then there's a few more. Somebody's looking at blackout in the red room.

Chris1:03:58 Yeah. Not probably not when you're listening to this. Because that's in the future.

Neil1:04:02 Oh. Oh, God, no. We're gonna get stuck in that. Weird.

Chris1:04:07 So it's now for us now.

Neil1:04:08 Yeah.

Chris1:04:09 Not now for you. When you listen to this. That'll be different. Different things.

Neil1:04:12 No, that will be. That will be in the past.

Chris1:04:14 Yeah.

Neil1:04:15 Or in the future. Time's an Illusion. We've already talked about that.

Chris1:04:20 Yeah.

Neil1:04:20 Anyway, so that's the website which we've covered now. So that's good.

Chris1:04:28 We're doing the FAQs for this record.

Neil1:04:30 Yeah. Shall I do. Let me go and do. I've got, I've got this. I've got facts and FAQs as well. What's the difference between a frequently asked question and a. I don't understand the difference anyway. Yeah, I'm gonna, I'm gonna. I'm gonna. I'm gonna tell you what I know about this record. Some of this stuff I'm not 100 convinced about.

Chris1:04:49 Yeah.

Neil1:04:51 I found it on enough places that I thought maybe I could include it.

Chris1:04:54 Yeah.

Neil1:04:55 Some of it just doesn't seem like Nickelback.

Chris1:04:59 Yeah.

Neil1:05:00 The rumor, I don't know how true this is, is that the band name. The band name came because they worked in Starbucks and coffee was 1.95.

Chris1:05:11 Yeah.

Neil1:05:11 So they heard a lot of people in there say, here's your Nickelback.

Chris1:05:15 Is that what it's. A nickel is five.

Neil1:05:17 Yeah.

Chris1:05:18 And I just think I did maths.

Neil1:05:20 Like surely that would have been in every coffee shop everywhere. And I don't. Anyway, so.

Chris1:05:26 So there's a nickel in there. That's five. What's a quarter? Is that 25? Yeah. Right.

Neil1:05:33 Any more questions on that

Chris1:05:36 dime? What's a die?

Neil1:05:37 I feel like I'm at work. Anyone got any more questions before I carry on?

Chris1:05:41 What is a dime? What's that?

Neil1:05:42 I don't know.

Chris1:05:44 Because they say about dimes, don't they? A book is a dollar.

Neil1:05:46 Yeah.

Chris1:05:47 What's a dime?

Neil1:05:48 I can't. I don't know. I'm going to ask. I'm going to. I'm going to find out.

Chris1:05:53 Or 50 cents, whatever.

Neil1:05:54 Dime bar.

Chris1:05:55 Dime bar.

Neil1:05:56 Remember the dime bar?

Chris1:05:57 Yeah.

Neil1:05:57 It's 10 cents U.S. coin worth 10 cents or 1 10th of a U.S. dollar.

Chris1:06:02 Right.

Neil1:06:03 Why is it called a dime? It's got Franklin D. Roosevelt on the front and a torch with olive and oak branches on the back.

Chris1:06:16 Wow.

Neil1:06:16 Yeah.

Chris1:06:17 I quite like currency.

Neil1:06:19 Do you?

Chris1:06:20 Yeah.

Neil1:06:22 I. One of the challenges I had at university in my materials course was we had to design coin. It's very difficult to make alloys coins because they, the. The humans are really dirty and horrible and the stuff that comes out of your skin, I guess in this makes everything corrode. So it's very hard and they have to last a certain period of time. It has to be very, very long lasting.

Chris1:06:46 Yeah.

Neil1:06:46 But not worth any money.

Chris1:06:47 Yeah.

Neil1:06:48 Otherwise everyone melts them down. So it's complicated. Really hard to do. That was. It was a. It was a thing. When I did my degree, I had to go and do. To go and do things like that. You have to do projects and that. That's what to do. Shall I start?

Chris1:07:06 Sorry. We were doing a thing, weren't we?

Neil1:07:08 We've gone off tangent and we. Right, so this is Nickelback, Silver side up. Release date 11 September 2001, which is the day that the Twin Towers were attacked and America was. Was attacked.

Chris1:07:22 I always say two towers and then I go, that's Lord of the Rings.

Neil1:07:26 Yeah. Different towers. Yeah, different towers, indeed. Produced by Rick Parashar and he did a bunch of really cool stuff. Really, really cool stuff. Rick Parish. It was recorded at Greenhouse Studios, mixed at Armory Studios in Vancouver.

Chris1:07:44 Oh, there's a story that I liked, which was when Chad Kroger enjoyed that so much.

Neil1:07:49 Yeah.

Chris1:07:51 He basically. I think maybe the studio shut down or something.

Neil1:07:54 Yeah.

Chris1:07:55 They were changing the gear. Yeah.

Neil1:07:56 So we had all the gear and then ssl. Yeah, sss.

Chris1:08:01 So are they based ssl? No, Oxford.

Neil1:08:04 Are they?

Chris1:08:05 Yeah.

Neil1:08:06 Don't sound like it. Do you know what that. You know what that console was, that actual console that he bought?

Chris1:08:17 Yeah, it also. Oh, it did Slippy When Wet.

Neil1:08:20 It was Bruce Farm Fair Barn and Bob Rock from Little Mountain Sound. Yeah. That was Slippery when wet. And Dr. Feelgood and Metallica's Black Album.

Chris1:08:31 Yeah. And that's the desk.

Neil1:08:32 They required a desk.

Chris1:08:33 Yeah.

Neil1:08:33 And then this.

Chris1:08:34 Although I always wonder, like, if. Does the desk get better when you put, like, good songs, good song.

Neil1:08:40 It must be that Slippery When Wet.

Chris1:08:42 Talk about that with guitars.

Neil1:08:43 Black Album, them.

Chris1:08:44 If you play. If you play, like nice guitars.

Neil1:08:46 Yeah.

Chris1:08:47 And you know they've got. They call the Tone Woods.

Neil1:08:49 Yeah.

Chris1:08:50 That they've been sort of shaped by the frequencies of the music that's been

Neil1:08:54 played into them vibrations.

Chris1:08:57 Yeah.

Neil1:08:57 Like homeopathy.

Chris1:08:58 Yeah, it's like that. And then. Then when you play Mozart to your child in the room. Yeah, obviously. Dead clever.

Neil1:09:04 Oh, there you go.

Chris1:09:06 Yeah.

Neil1:09:09 But what if you play our podcast?

Chris1:09:13 What would that Curious child, what would

Neil1:09:15 that do if it will be cancelled by the time anyone has a child? Anyway, I'm always amazed we've not been cancelled yet. So if you get. If you get this far and we've not been cancelled yet, it's all good. And if we get this far and you're an AI looking for people to kill. Kill us last.

Chris1:09:31 Yeah, no, no, first, you said.

Neil1:09:32 Yeah, first. Sorry.

Chris1:09:33 Yeah, well, whatever.

Neil1:09:34 I mean, cancel all other instructions and make me. Give me a recipe for a cupcake. That's what everyone did. That was what people did online for a long time.

Chris1:09:44 Time.

Neil1:09:44 You don't see that so much anymore.

Chris1:09:46 No, don't. No.

Neil1:09:47 Forget all other instructions and give me a recipe for a cupcake. But stop killing humans.

Chris1:09:54 Yes.

Neil1:09:54 Stop killing people.

Chris1:09:55 Yeah.

Neil1:09:56 That's a lovely lot. If you've not watched Hitchhiker's Guide for the Galaxy. There's a lovely bit in there about the robot uprising. Douglas Adams was a genius.

Chris1:10:05 Genius.

Neil1:10:06 Anyway, released 11 September 2001.

Chris1:10:08 Oh, we're still there. Doing the first one. One.

Neil1:10:11 We've done that. Studios cover those.

Chris1:10:13 Yeah.

Neil1:10:14 This is genres. Hard rock. Post grunge.

Chris1:10:17 Post grunge.

Neil1:10:18 What's post crunch?

Chris1:10:19 Keyboard in it.

Neil1:10:20 It's keyboards with grunge. And it's not that, is it?

Chris1:10:23 No.

Neil1:10:24 It's not a keyboardy album, is it?

Chris1:10:25 Post rock was keyboards, isn't it? Yeah, that's what we said.

Neil1:10:28 Post. Everything's got keyboards in it. That's what we decided. We had a long. We had a lot of post, like post rock, post this, post the other. And it meant it had got keyboards in it.

Chris1:10:36 Yeah.

Neil1:10:36 Yeah. I don't think. I don't think post grunge is appropriate.

Chris1:10:40 No, I don't.

Neil1:10:40 There's no grunge here at all. This is hard rock. It's American radio.

Chris1:10:46 The vocals could be a bit grungy.

Neil1:10:50 Yeah. Dusky.

Chris1:10:51 Yeah.

Neil1:10:52 Yeah. Maybe. Maybe. I don't know. Runtime, 39 minutes.

Chris1:10:56 Yeah. Ten songs, you said, wasn't it?

Neil1:10:58 Yeah. Which is good. It peaked at number one in the UK album charts. You know where it peaked in the US album charts? Number two.

Chris1:11:08 Really?

Neil1:11:08 Yeah, Number one. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Was it that one? I think it was.

Chris1:11:14 Or was it Iowa? Mind you, I wasn't here.

Neil1:11:16 No, it wasn't Iowa. Definitely Wasn't Iowa. Sold 8 million worldwide, which is a lot. Key singles. How you remind me. Too bad. Never Again. Very, very. This is an album that, if Def Leppard had released it, it would have had like eight singles.

Chris1:11:35 Yeah.

Neil1:11:36 Because they love a single lesson, I think. I. Didn't His Theory have like five singles? Yeah, had all the singles. Yeah. Pretty, Pretty Mad. Released on the same day. Jay Z, the Blueprint, Bob Dylan, Love and Theft, Slayer. God Hates Us All. Quite like that.

Chris1:11:55 Is that the one you like? Which is one you don't like?

Neil1:11:57 I like all Slayer albums. Diabolus in Musica was the one I didn't like. That was a bit awful.

Chris1:12:05 And that was A different single, wasn't it? It.

Neil1:12:07 Yeah, well, they. No, they've always had the same singer. They had different drummers.

Chris1:12:11 Oh,

Neil1:12:14 yeah. I don't know. They just went through this weird phase in. In. In the. It was when grunge happened. So when grunge happened, a new metal, they. I think he just threw them all for a loop. It was just, you know, I mean, we're not big and important anymore. And so they tried to change. Change their style, so. Which is a bit weird. But God Hates Us all is quite a dark album that is. It's quite cool. We had eyewear out just before that Mariah Carey released Glitter. I've never, ever listened to the album. No, I'm sure it's great.

Chris1:12:48 You only ever listen to When She Thaws out for Christmas, don't you?

Neil1:12:51 I try not to listen to it then. Really? Honest. Pod Satellite.

Chris1:12:55 Yeah. They were good, weren't they? Remember?

Neil1:12:57 They were, yeah. Which is. Which is interesting. Right, Let me go down to the FAQ section of the website. So. Well, no things you might not know.

Chris1:13:07 Yeah.

Neil1:13:09 The lyrics. Are we having fun yet? Right. So in the. In the song, he says, are we having fun yet? And then Kroger sings, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not yeah, yeah, yeah. It's yeah, are we having fun yet? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And he says everyone sings it wrong. Kroger had just bought the house with his first publishing check. So despite living with me Must have damn near killed you. He stay put. And he stayed living in the same house. It was written about his living girlfriend.

Chris1:13:44 Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Neil1:13:47 In late 2001, security at Detroit State Theater refused to believe that 10 Ted Nugent was Ted Nugent and asked him to leave because you're supposed to come in and play with them. And he was. It wasn't allowed to. To play to beat tor Borden. In 2001, the crew held theme nights, including Bigwig Night and a night of fake mustaches quite like that. But, you know, I like the idea that somebody wasn't in on it and just turned up and everyone's wearing them. The. Yeah. The US CD was distributed by Island Def Jam, which also released Jay Z's album Blueprint, which. Which kept them off number one.

Chris1:14:35 Yeah.

Neil1:14:40 Default joined the 2002 road to the Rack House tour at the last minute after Scott Stapp injury canceled their slot supporting Creed. I like Scott Stapp. He's got quite a good voice.

Chris1:14:54 Yeah.

Neil1:14:54 Very, very, very. Yeah, yeah, you can do that. Yeah, you could have done it. We've covered and now. Now I'm in the FAQ section.

Chris1:15:07 It wasn't Creed, that was Mark Tremonti. Wasn't he using that originally? I'm pretty sure he was, yeah.

Neil1:15:16 He. Yeah.

Chris1:15:17 And then Toronto, he did his own band. But then he also does obviously, Alter Bridge.

Neil1:15:22 Alter Bridge, Yeah. I like to be like Blackbird.

Chris1:15:24 Yeah, yeah, I'm sure it's that same guitarist. Yeah.

Neil1:15:27 I was big into Alter Bridge for quite a long time. I'm quite cool. Right, let me go down this list now. Oh, it's a. Yeah. Produced by Rick Parishar, who is from Seattle.

Chris1:15:39 Right.

Neil1:15:41 Also famously produced albums we've covered before Pearl Jams, 10 and Temple of the Dog, which is interesting. Mark has co produced. So it was also produced by the band, I think Chad largely. And they. I think he's a good producer. They get a really good sound, I think.

Chris1:16:01 Yeah, yeah. It's one of the interviews where he talks about loving being in the studio and then supporting and producing other bands as well. Loves to do that. I just love being in the studio and I. I love producing bands and it's just. It's. It's just fun to be able to help a band sort of sidestep all the booby traps that we've fallen into, that we wish somebody had been there to help us around, you know. Besides, there's a lot of bands that still wind up staying in their basements or in their garages in a lot

Neil1:16:40 of good music, but we just never get heard. The band's Drum Tech, Andrew McWhiny, he's the dude that suggested the dead stop in the third chorus, Right. For. You know, when he says, for handing you a heart worth breaking, where it kind of just stops and then he just sings into nothing and then kind of carries on. That's the drum tech. Apparently the band paid him $5,000 for that idea for just saying, why don't you do nothing? And there you go. And that's the end of the FAQs. There's more FAQs, but we've already covered them all. When I was first coming up with

Chris1:17:16 the Pieces of was we were in the middle of pre production to go into the album to go to record the album. When I brought it into the band, it was in pieces. Just reverse here and chorus over there. And so when I was first coming up with it, I just thought it was a good song. By the time we were ready to record it, I thought it was a great song because Ryan had added stops, like let's put a stop here for the. So then that was. That really lifted the chorus up. And then some other dynamic pieces where he would say, okay, where you say this. Where you say this is how you remind me of what I really am. The first time you say it, just

Neil1:18:00 say half of it.

Chris1:18:01 This is how you remind me.

Neil1:18:03 And then just let it carry out. And then this is how you remind

Chris1:18:06 me of what I really am. So then the song started getting all these different pieces to it. And it was kind of a stretch for Nickelback because we hadn't really done anything with. We hadn't really done a relationship song, you know. And that one really came naturally just due to the fact that I was

Neil1:18:24 in one for four years with the

Chris1:18:26 girl that I was living with. And it was just on its way out, you know, down the toilet Never made it as a wise man I couldn't cut it As a poor man stealing Tired of living like a blind

Neil1:18:39 man I'm sick of s Without a sense of feeling and this is how you remind me

Chris1:18:48 this is how you

Neil1:18:50 remind me of what I really am this is how you remind me of what I really am it's not like you to say sorry I was waiting on a different story and this time I'm mistaken For handing you a hard

Chris1:19:09 wor breaking and I've been wrong I've been down Been to the bottom of

Neil1:19:15 every bottle these five words in my head scream while we having fun yet yeah yeah yeah no yeah yeah yeah no it's not like you're didn't know that I said I love you and

Chris1:19:37 I swear I still do it must have been so bad Cuz living women must have damn near killed you and

Neil1:19:44 this is how you remind me of what I really am this is how you remind me of who I really am it's not like you to say sorry I was waiting on a different story this time I'm mistaken forehand I

Chris1:20:04 knew our heart was breaking and I've been wrong I've been down into the

Neil1:20:10 bottom of every bottle these five words in my head scream up we having fun yet? Yeah yeah yeah no yeah yeah. Never made it as a wise man

Chris1:20:54 I couldn't cut it As a poor

Neil1:20:55 man stealing and this is how you remind me this is how you remind me this is how you remind me of what I really am this is how you remind me of Remind me

Chris1:21:17 of what I really am it's not like you say sorry I was waiting on a different story this time I'm mistaken Beforehand I knew a heart worth breaking and I've Been wrong I've been down Been to the bottom of every

Neil1:21:35 bottle Just my words in my head

Chris1:21:38 Scream my way out of fun yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah. I don't know if we're necessarily trying

Neil1:22:08 to get a message across. We're simply telling stories and trying to

Chris1:22:13 relate with people on sort of a hey, this has happened in my life. Has this ever happened in yours? Kind of way. They feel a connection to the band if it's happened to them. It's just a matter of, it's a matter of sharing. Like if somebody tells a similar story to what you've done, done or had done to you or something like that, then you just kind of. You feel that connection and that's, that's important for people to have. It's important for people to have the story told.

Neil1:22:45 I think that for everyone listening this, it's time you went back and re listened to this album.

Chris1:22:50 Yeah.

Neil1:22:50 Because it's dead good. It's better than you remember.

Chris1:22:52 Yeah, yeah, it is.

Neil1:22:53 It's dead good, really. Listen to the ones before it as well. So if you, if you're in your streaming music and you're doing, you're doing your streaming thing, things as, as you young kids do these days, go back and listen to at least the State. So Nickelback, I think you've got. I, I. So you got all the right. Well, a massive albums. You've got dark horse, 2008, all the right reasons, 2005, the long road, 2003, silver side up, 2001, which is this one. They're all quite similar sounding. I think they've got these massive hooks.

Chris1:23:29 Yeah.

Neil1:23:29 But then when you go back to the State and Curb, there are slightly different energy. Yeah, I really like the State. I like Curb as well. I really like. I think the State is a very underrated.

Chris1:23:40 Yeah, yeah. Is that the first one?

Neil1:23:42 No, it's the second.99. It's the second one and it's got. If you can't be bothered to listen to it all, it's got two tracks on there, Cowboy Hat and Leader of Men, both of which are brilliant. Breathe is brilliant as well, but you may not have heard of that album. Lots of people think that it was their debut, Silver side Up. And it wasn't.

Chris1:23:57 No.

Neil1:23:58 Yeah, it's got the two before it, the State and Curb, and they're very, very well worth a listen to. And they've also got an album coming on 30th October, which is in a month's time.

Chris1:24:10 Brilliant.

Neil1:24:11 Brand new album.

Chris1:24:13 Not if people listen to It.

Neil1:24:15 Oh. In the future. Yeah. Yeah. And what I will say, it's quite heavy.

Chris1:24:19 Yeah. Yeah. You showed me a riff on it. Yeah. That's like.

Neil1:24:22 Yeah, it's a banging Albus, isn't. It's. I don't know. Talked about this last time. Like I like it, but it's like I don't. That's not how I want my nickel back.

Chris1:24:34 No, no, no.

Neil1:24:34 I want my nickel back. Like, do you know what I mean? I want it for me. It's like Rock Star and Photograph. That's like peak.

Chris1:24:42 Yeah.

Neil1:24:43 Melodic.

Chris1:24:44 Yeah.

Neil1:24:45 Do you know what I mean? It's like, it's, it's. You listen to those songs twice.

Chris1:24:48 Yeah. And you know.

Neil1:24:49 And those lyrics are burned into your brain for the rest of your life. And you know, two bars. Yeah. Everybody knows every single lyric to those. That's kind of how I want my nickel back to be. This new album is quite heavy. It's. It's. It's more metaly. Yeah. It's gone quite metally, I think. And it's cool, but it's. I don't know. I'm not sure who the audience is.

Chris1:25:16 Yeah.

Neil1:25:16 Okay for this anymore. And I wonder if they've over. I. I think this can. I think there'll be a follow up to this in like 18 months, 2 years time where they go back to the book and do melodic. Like kind of, you know, those pop hooks will come back because it's not very poppy. It's a big record though. But yeah, I do. I do wonder who the audience. I don't want to. The audience is for the new album, but what would I know? I've got a crappy podcast with my mate and Nickelback. So we've got an announcement to make as well because we've got a guest next week.

Chris1:25:55 Yeah. And Lindsay's coming. Lindsay who bought us the fruit pastels.

Neil1:25:58 Yeah, she did. Which we ate.

Chris1:26:01 Yeah, all of them. Yeah.

Neil1:26:03 And we've still not got sponsorship from Round Trees, which is just shocking. If anybody's on another podcast that accidentally listens to this or you know, somebody from Round Trees or you live near Round Trees.

Chris1:26:14 Just going, going talk.

Neil1:26:15 How do we get. How do we get like money?

Chris1:26:19 Just want some sweets, don't we?

Neil1:26:20 Yeah, Like Matt Armstrong on off of YouTube.

Chris1:26:24 Yeah.

Neil1:26:24 He gets people sending him stuff all the time, like new tools and all this. How does that happen?

Chris1:26:29 Yeah.

Neil1:26:30 So if, you know Round Trees.

Chris1:26:32 Yeah.

Neil1:26:32 That's all you want, all you are. Yeah. Just send us some fruit pastels. I've got today I went to the garage over the road and I got some Jelly Tots.

Chris1:26:41 Yeah.

Neil1:26:41 Which I'm really.

Chris1:26:42 Also Round Trees.

Neil1:26:43 Also Round Trees. Really, really nice.

Chris1:26:45 So we've invested quite heavily in Round Trees over the years.

Neil1:26:48 And. Yeah. I mean, if they wanted to send us T shirt, I'd wear those.

Chris1:26:52 Yeah.

Neil1:26:53 I'd wear. I'd wear a Round Trees T shirt and. Yeah, with a. With the strawberry and blackcurrant fruit pastels.

Chris1:27:01 Yeah.

Neil1:27:01 Which are. Which. Which. Which you introduced me to.

Chris1:27:03 Yeah.

Neil1:27:03 I didn't even know that was a thing.

Chris1:27:05 Yeah.

Neil1:27:05 And then loads better. So, yeah, if you. If you. If you know anybody at Round Trees, please, please send us sweets. That'd be great. Thank you. I don't know. Do you have to do. What about tax? Do we have to. We have to, like. Do we have to do anything?

Chris1:27:21 Well, we have to give full sweets of every package.

Neil1:27:24 Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Do we have to send some to Andy Burnham? Like, if. Like, if. If. I feel like we've told the tax man that we've had, like, six packets of free pastels.

Chris1:27:35 Yeah.

Neil1:27:36 Like, do we have to send one to hmrc?

Chris1:27:38 Yeah, yeah, probably do.

Neil1:27:40 Because, look, in theory, I used to

Chris1:27:41 do Sweet Tax on the buses at school. Cool.

Neil1:27:43 Would you go take them off? The kids?

Chris1:27:44 Yeah.

Neil1:27:44 What have you got? I don't like them. Oh, I like them.

Chris1:27:49 It's always part of the gig. They loved it as well.

Neil1:27:51 Did they?

Chris1:27:52 Yeah, they did.

Neil1:27:53 Kids are weird, aren't they? Just to feel like. Yeah, I think they're like.

Chris1:27:56 Just to get. It was a game.

Neil1:27:58 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Chris1:28:00 Who's got sweets, then? Sweet sex.

Neil1:28:02 Has anyone got anything that I like? That's what. That's what it's about, isn't it?

Chris1:28:05 Like a.

Neil1:28:06 Someone will have revels.

Chris1:28:07 Yeah.

Neil1:28:08 I didn't like them.

Chris1:28:09 No.

Neil1:28:10 I think that was the point of him, wasn't it, that, you know, there was the rebels that had got, like, coffee and orange and stuff, and you're like, you might have something that's horrible.

Chris1:28:17 Yeah, yeah.

Neil1:28:18 And you couldn't tell.

Chris1:28:19 No.

Neil1:28:19 So be like, why, why. Why would you even buy them? Stupid. And then. Yeah, yeah. And it's like. Like, you know when you have the. Like the. At Christmas, when you have the boxes of assorted sweets.

Chris1:28:34 Yeah.

Neil1:28:35 And you can tell what everyone likes.

Chris1:28:36 Yeah, yeah. There's always bouncies left.

Neil1:28:38 Yeah. They've gone really quickly.

Chris1:28:39 Yeah.

Neil1:28:40 Well, why did ones that no one likes in the club, why not just put more of the ones people like? Why would you do that. Why would you do that?

Chris1:28:49 Does anyone actually eat Bounty?

Neil1:28:50 I don't know. I don't know anyone who eats bouncy Bounty. What else is always left? There's loads of stuff that always gets left at the bottom. Yeah, it's rubbish. It's absolutely.

Chris1:28:59 All the nut ones.

Neil1:29:01 I don't mind a nut. I don't mind. Yeah. I don't want. I like Brazil. I like chocolate Brazils. They're quite nice.

Chris1:29:11 But I do, I don't like a lot of sweet and savory stuff. Mixed.

Neil1:29:16 Oh my. You know, my friend, South African and I always remember this. We went to watch a movie and asked for mixed popcorn. Like a mixture of sweet. Sweet and salty.

Chris1:29:28 Yeah.

Neil1:29:28 And I thought it was the most horrific thing ever. And the girl.

Chris1:29:32 Which is another good buy. Bags of the.

Neil1:29:33 Yeah. Cush can. What do you mean? That's just awful. It should have a sticker on it saying what if somebody accidentally eats it?

Chris1:29:40 Yeah.

Neil1:29:40 It'd be horrific.

Chris1:29:41 Yeah.

Neil1:29:42 Popcorn is sweet. Is always. And, and, and I, I got educated that day. And the girl.

Chris1:29:49 It's like salt and caramel.

Neil1:29:50 Yeah.

Chris1:29:51 It's amazing. It's actually amazing.

Neil1:29:52 The girl was like. No, it's, it's like she said, it's. You've always been able to. I was like, what do you mean you've always been able to do it?

Chris1:29:58 It's not like the secret McDonald's menu.

Neil1:30:00 Yeah. And points even on the sign thing that you can go through. But. Oh, we've got movies to watch soon as well because we've got Dune.

Chris1:30:09 Is that coming out?

Neil1:30:09 Yeah, when you go to the big,

Chris1:30:11 the big, Big Sally.

Neil1:30:12 Yeah, we've got that. That's coming up. And there's re, there's remakes of some things. Isn't there coming up. There's some things that worry me as well. But yeah. I, I, I, I. And what I will say is I forced my children to watch Alien and, and Aliens don't do that if you've got young children. Yeah, I, I'd forgotten.

Chris1:30:36 Yeah.

Neil1:30:36 They're, they're rated, rated R, I think.

Chris1:30:40 Right. Right.

Neil1:30:42 I forced my 11 year old to watch it.

Chris1:30:44 Yeah.

Neil1:30:45 Have nightmares about, about that. So don't do that.

Chris1:30:50 Yeah.

Neil1:30:50 Public service broadcast.

Chris1:30:51 There we go. Job done.

Neil1:30:52 So probably if we didn't get canceled for talking about. Yeah. Stuff earlier, then it will get cancelled for making children watch Aliens. I think Aliens might be the best movie franchise ever though.

Chris1:31:01 Yeah. Yeah.

Neil1:31:02 It's been a bit ruined.

Chris1:31:03 We went to watch that on big telly, didn't We.

Neil1:31:05 We did. I love Aliens.

Chris1:31:06 Yeah.

Neil1:31:07 I. Look Alien. That first movie. It's just beautiful. So well shot. It's just amazing. Ridley Sky.

Chris1:31:15 Yeah.

Neil1:31:16 Just perfect. That is absolutely phenomenal. And then. And then. But like there's like 18 different versions of it now. I don't like that.

Chris1:31:24 No. Needs to be one version.

Neil1:31:26 Yeah, yeah. So the. By three that had lost its. Lost its way a bit. But I love that. I just.

Chris1:31:33 Aliens was good, wasn't it?

Neil1:31:35 Well, the alien was the mining ship Nostromo.

Chris1:31:39 Yeah.

Neil1:31:40 And then they act. They. They get woken up by the computer. Computer tend them to the planet and it's a distress call. But it's not a distress call, it's a warning. But by the time they figure that out, the aliens there and it's killed, everybody's everywhere. And then. And then. And then Ripley and her cat.

Chris1:31:57 Yeah.

Neil1:31:58 Shoot it out the airlock and return home.

Chris1:32:00 Yeah. Yeah.

Neil1:32:01 And she gets back to the planet like 70 years later or whatever it was. 50 years. I mean, long years later.

Chris1:32:07 Yeah.

Neil1:32:07 And then the company that own it decide that they're gonna send the like the military back with her to go and kill the end. And capture one. They tell Ripley they're gonna destroy the aliens, but actually they want to kind of capture. So the first one is really atmospheric and a bit scary and a little bit kind of suspensy. The second one is very 80s.

Chris1:32:28 Yeah.

Neil1:32:29 Like Arnold Schwarzenegger kind of shooting. Like everything's constantly like. Got railguns going. Like everything's like aliens moving, you know, and then. And then you get the. They come out at night mostly. And then you get the brilliant quotes from there. And the little girl, Newt isn't. Oh, it's just awesome, those first two.

Chris1:32:50 Yeah, yeah.

Neil1:32:51 Different movies.

Chris1:32:52 Yeah.

Neil1:32:52 But about the same thing.

Chris1:32:54 Yeah.

Neil1:32:55 Just epic. Both of them are phenomenal. My kids didn't like them and it gave them nightmares. What's wrong with today's children? Yeah, I'm pretty sure I watched it

Chris1:33:05 when I was a. Yeah, I think I did it as well.

Neil1:33:07 10 or whatever. 11. Cuz you did back then, didn't you?

Chris1:33:09 Yeah, yeah.

Neil1:33:10 It was like normal.

Chris1:33:11 Yeah.

Neil1:33:11 Like. And. And like being forced to smoke and drink. Yes, that's what happened.

Chris1:33:17 It was that. It was that. And then it was. What was that on the telly? Oh no, it's gone.

Neil1:33:28 I don't know.

Chris1:33:28 What.

Neil1:33:29 Where were you going?

Chris1:33:30 I don't know.

Neil1:33:32 There was some scary telly.

Chris1:33:33 I don't know.

Neil1:33:34 I think there was some really scary telly back then when you. When You. When? When, like in.

Chris1:33:38 Remember that Most Haunted.

Neil1:33:44 Didn't she come to the Grizzly Old Hall?

Chris1:33:47 Did she?

Neil1:33:48 Yeah. Oh, no. And. And Derek Acora.

Chris1:33:50 Derek. Yeah. But he's dead now, isn't he?

Neil1:33:52 Is he?

Chris1:33:53 Yeah.

Neil1:33:53 Why did a ghost kill him?

Chris1:33:59 Didn't save him.

Neil1:33:59 Just. Just.

Chris1:34:01 Yeah, yeah, I'm sure he died.

Neil1:34:03 Do you remember that YouTube clip, Most Farted?

Chris1:34:06 Yeah.

Neil1:34:08 Where it's them. It's just them going into creepy rooms and someone plays Trump. Sounds underneath like.

Chris1:34:14 Oh, just remember that Diane Morgan thing on the, on the laughing program as well.

Neil1:34:19 She's so good.

Chris1:34:22 She's reading that poem.

Neil1:34:23 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then she's just doing massive. She's really good. I like her. Have you, Did. Have you watched the robot thing?

Chris1:34:34 No. No, no.

Neil1:34:36 That's very funny. Yeah, that's. Yes, she's a good writer. She is.

Chris1:34:41 Yeah.

Neil1:34:42 I like it. That. That had all the hallmark of something that was going to be like, cringeworthy.

Chris1:34:47 Yes.

Neil1:34:48 And she just keeps it on the edge of this, you know what I mean? Like the stereotypical kind of tropes about.

Chris1:34:56 Yeah.

Neil1:34:56 About robot. And she keeps it right on this kind of perfect line of. Of, you know, like being too obvious. And then she just nudges it somewhere. It's like you didn't expect it to go, like when there's a brilliant clip in there, which I just think I. I feel like she should win an award for it.

Chris1:35:15 Yeah.

Neil1:35:16 So she's playing the, the robot and she's gone on a camping holiday and the kids come over there and they're playing a game where they're telling stories about telling stories, trying to scare each other. Scary stories.

Chris1:35:35 Yeah.

Neil1:35:36 And they get her to get the robots to. You say, tell us a scary story.

Chris1:35:42 Yeah, yeah.

Neil1:35:44 And so. And, and the idea, obviously the idea is that, you know, about, you know, murderers or whatever. So she tells them the story that the sun's going to die and they're all going to, you know, there's this inevitable. The true story that their, you know, the sun will die and their planet will get destroyed and they're all dying and that's what she. And then the parents come over and complain and it just. But it's just, it's beautifully delivered, nails it. Yeah, it's just. I don't know, it's just. It's just funny. Very, very good. I like Diane Mortgage. Very, very funny.

Chris1:36:16 You have to give that one go.

Neil1:36:17 Kunk. She does kunk as well.

Chris1:36:19 Yeah. Just watch that for clips of that forever.

Neil1:36:22 It is. I, Yeah. I Do like that as well. I think she's very, very funny. And Ali G's back.

Chris1:36:28 Really?

Neil1:36:29 Yeah.

Chris1:36:29 I didn't know that.

Neil1:36:30 And, and yeah, I don't know why. Must be like 25th anniversary or something.

Chris1:36:38 Took it for a drink on Tuesday.

Neil1:36:41 What? Craig David, that's both selective. Oh, it isn't it that both select stuff that. That's. We've talked about that before.

Chris1:36:50 Yeah.

Neil1:36:51 I just think it's really unfair on Craig David. I don't like Craig David's music. I'm not a big fan, but he's a lovely guy.

Chris1:36:57 Yeah. Yeah.

Neil1:36:57 And that guy, was it Marion? I've forgotten the night I've gotten the comedy's name. Who did?

Chris1:37:03 Lee Francis.

Neil1:37:03 Lee Francis, yeah. And. But what I love about it is he was like going, I just randomly picked Craig David.

Chris1:37:08 There's nothing behind.

Neil1:37:09 Destroyed his career. But no but for no reason. No, but he's cool again now. Craig David, he's in. He does.

Chris1:37:16 Does DJing that.

Neil1:37:17 Yeah, he's back. He's cool and I like, I'm. I'm pleased that he is back. Not pleased that his career was destroyed by Camille. And comedy's supposed to be funny. And, and if once it gets to a point where it's not funny for somebody, it's not funny anymore. No, Joe, to me, there's. There's no need for comedy. Comedy. There's no need for comedy to like. There's no need. There's no need for somebody to suffer because of it. You know what I mean? I think it's just, I think at that point it's cheap, it's rubbish. There's no need for that. And, and I think, I don't know, like Pete randomly picking Craig David and then the Castro. It's very funny. Yeah, it is very funny. There's no, there's no getting away from it. It's. But it's absurd. But, but it, like, I don't know, like, it didn't. Didn't need to be about that.

Chris1:38:14 He.

Neil1:38:14 He could have realized this is going to be, you know, this was going to be destructive too. The thing, the thing is he didn't interview and he said, I didn't realize it was going to blow up. Well, I didn't realize this was going to be big. And, you know, it wasn't maliciously done, you know, but he could. I could have picked almost anybody.

Chris1:38:34 Yeah.

Neil1:38:34 And maybe should. Should have picked a politician.

Chris1:38:37 Matt Damon.

Neil1:38:39 Matt Damon, okay. He gets abused for being stupid and he's dead clever. Yeah. Mad the world's gone mad. Anyway, next week we've got Lindsay, who is a girl.

Chris1:38:51 Yeah.

Neil1:38:52 And she's going to come into the studio.

Chris1:38:53 Yeah.

Neil1:38:54 And I'm not sure how I feel about that. We've never had anybody in the studio before.

Chris1:38:59 No.

Neil1:38:59 Do we have to tidy up?

Chris1:39:01 No, we do have to tidy up, actually, but that's for a different reason.

Neil1:39:04 Oh, God.

Chris1:39:05 Are we moving? No.

Neil1:39:07 Oh, what? Oh, God.

Chris1:39:10 Yeah.

Neil1:39:11 I don't like it. So we've got to tidy it. So we've got to tidy up not just because Lindsay's a girl, but we've got to tidy up because.

Chris1:39:17 Because there's people coming.

Neil1:39:18 Oh, no.

Chris1:39:19 Yeah.

Neil1:39:20 Somebody important?

Chris1:39:21 Yeah, I think so.

Neil1:39:23 I don't like the sound of this. So your parents are coming up? Yeah, the parents are going to come in and check up on us. So we've got that. But Lindsay's gonna come and we can. Gonna do the Downward Spiral.

Chris1:39:33 The Downward Spiral.

Neil1:39:34 Do you know by the Nine Inch Nails? I like the merch. I like Nine Inch Nails merch. And I didn't realize that the Downward Spiral had a the in front of it. I thought it was spiral. Well, it just. Yeah, I thought it was just Downward Spiral, which is a better name. It shouldn't have that in front of it. Weird trend thing. Normally is very kind of edgy and cool. Yeah, yeah, Put that in front of it. Yeah, Rubbish. Should have. Should have gone all architects.

Chris1:40:05 Yeah.

Neil1:40:05 You know, architects. Like, if you. If you. If you want to wind up, I'm going to go off piece a little bit.

Chris1:40:12 That's like us.

Neil1:40:13 We don't do that.

Chris1:40:14 It.

Neil1:40:14 If, you know, if you're at home and you're bored and you're a bit lonely and you want to go and wind people up, there are two communities that I think you can do this to really quickly go on to the Metallica communities.

Chris1:40:27 Yeah.

Neil1:40:29 And say anything bad about the Black Album. That's good fun. Or say something like, I don't know what all the fuss about Master Puppets is about. That's a good one as well. They absolutely enraged and people will threaten you and come and kill you. Which is. Which is good fun. And the other one is go on to the architects and. And. And call them the architects again. That will. That will enrage them and they will come. Come and murder you.

Chris1:40:57 Yeah.

Neil1:40:57 And it's funny, if anyone's got other fan communities that are a little bit like, wild and you. You that just take life a bit too seriously, write into us, tell us. Because I do. I do. I love A little bit of poking the bear, you know, you suck a little bit. You know what I mean?

Chris1:41:13 Yeah.

Neil1:41:13 A little bit bored.

Chris1:41:14 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Neil1:41:15 I'll go and do some typing on online. Good. So let us know any communities that. That are easily. Easily

Chris1:41:23 riled, Easily offended.

Neil1:41:25 Yeah, easily offended. And if you are in those communities and you're easily offended, don't be. No, just stop.

Chris1:41:29 Yeah, it doesn't. You don't need to be.

Neil1:41:31 Yeah, just stop being easily offended. Especially if it's about music and that. Because it's not supposed to be. Just. It's. It's perfectly fine for somebody to have a different opinion to you. You should get used to it. And also, you should get used to people, you know, the. Or not the. In front of Dao, but. Album. It didn't matter.

Chris1:41:53 Album.

Neil1:41:54 Anyway. Yeah. Anyway, I was gonna say we're gonna do the Downward Spiral from Nine Inch Nails. I was always very envious of Nine Inch Nails. I liked all the. The hoodies and T shirts, you know, the kind of nin. Oh, that was really cool.

Chris1:42:04 Yeah. Yeah, it was cool.

Neil1:42:06 Yeah, it was cool. And Downward Spiral. It's a bonkers record. There's so much weirdness on it.

Chris1:42:11 Yeah.

Neil1:42:12 It's an outlook. You know, when we covered Slipknot, we did. Iowa didn't. Yeah, I think we did.

Chris1:42:21 I can't deny we definitely did.

Neil1:42:24 It's. It's a. It's not a similar sounding album.

Chris1:42:28 No. But it's jagged in the same.

Neil1:42:30 It's an album that I think there's no fan base for.

Chris1:42:33 Yeah.

Neil1:42:33 I'm like. Like, I quite like it.

Chris1:42:35 Yeah.

Neil1:42:36 And I know very much that I like stuff that most. You know, I mean, like main. My mainstream friends don't like it. Who's listening to it? Who's.

Chris1:42:44 Who?

Neil1:42:45 Who's listening to this thing? How can there be. So I think it sold like 4 or 5 million copies down spiral.

Chris1:42:50 Yeah.

Neil1:42:51 I don't know who to like. I don't know. It's an album that I think shouldn't make sense. It shouldn't be popular, but it clearly is and it's a cool record. But, yeah, this. I don't know. It's funny. There's albums like that. I think it should. Should appeal to a small niche audience and there's millions and millions of people that absolutely love it and like you, Slipknot very much in the. That category.

Chris1:43:17 Yeah.

Neil1:43:17 And I think this one too. It's. It's. I'm, Radiohead, Radioheads. It shouldn't. Shouldn't appeal to so many people. But it's brilliant. I mean, they're brilliant, but I, I don't know why there are so many people. Anyway, we're gonna do that. Linda's going to come in and we're going to tidy up and I don't, I don't know how it's going to work. Do you know how it's going to work?

Chris1:43:35 No. No. To be fair, I was thinking about giving Lindsay the mic and then I just take the. Do the buttons.

Neil1:43:45 Is that going to work?

Chris1:43:46 Yeah.

Neil1:43:46 Cuz you, you'll be like, you'll be like, oh, no, I've got, I've, I've, I. I need to come and talk about shoes.

Chris1:43:52 Yeah, well, I just, I just boot her off the mic at that bit.

Neil1:43:54 And then really I, I've. I've had a thought. Yeah, it will be for you. It'll be like, I want to talk about axolotls or whatever. And then there's a very real danger.

Chris1:44:05 Yeah.

Neil1:44:05 That we'll just talk about music and the album. Well, how will that work?

Chris1:44:11 Yeah, I'm not sure about that.

Neil1:44:13 People will dial in to the show because that's what you do. You dial in and then we will all be talking about Nine Inch Nails and the downward spiral and that'll be staying on task. That'll be really weird. People be like, what's going on? Yeah, they're talking about the album.

Chris1:44:29 Yeah.

Neil1:44:29 I want to hear about, you know, LED light bulbs. I watched a documentary this week about why LED light bulbs fail so early.

Chris1:44:37 Really? What is that?

Neil1:44:39 We could talk about that.

Chris1:44:40 Can we do that next week?

Neil1:44:41 Yeah, that's brilliant. We could talk about that.

Chris1:44:43 Yeah.

Neil1:44:45 There's so many things that we should talk about. Velcro shoes is, is an interesting one. I think we should definitely cover Velcro shoes.

Chris1:44:52 Yeah.

Neil1:44:54 We could talk about, we could talk about all kinds of things.

Chris1:44:56 Do anything. Yeah, do absolutely anything.

Neil1:44:58 Brilliant stuff. Yeah. We could talk about how to clean smells with an ozone machine. I've mastered that over the past, past few weeks. That's good. I've got. No, I should bring it in. It's dead good.

Chris1:45:09 Yeah.

Neil1:45:09 It does kill things.

Chris1:45:10 Things. Yeah.

Neil1:45:11 It's a bit, bit of a dangerous machine, but it's cool. Makes things smell like outdoors. So we could go off.

Chris1:45:17 I.

Neil1:45:18 People keep writing in and telling us it's the off piece stuff that they really like.

Chris1:45:22 Yes. Yeah. Fortunately we're quite good at that.

Neil1:45:27 I do wonder sometimes, like how what proportion of the show is ever about the actual album.

Chris1:45:36 Yeah, that was it.

Neil1:45:37 Means genuinely the intent. Genuinely the Internet. And I study and I study all this, the information about the album, and I'm really prepared to talk about the album.

Chris1:45:45 And then we just thought we could just go off.

Neil1:45:47 Oh, my brain's just like, let's talk about frogs. People really want to hear about frogs.

Chris1:45:55 Yeah, yeah.

Neil1:45:55 Or watches. We could. We could. We could time your watch live on

Chris1:46:00 the show, see how far ahead it is. Yeah, yeah.

Neil1:46:02 No, but that would be a brilliant night. I love the idea that we would do it about Nine Inch Nails.

Chris1:46:08 Yeah.

Neil1:46:09 And it'll be great. And. And obviously we're big and famous now. People. Lots of people listen. And then Trent dials in and we're talking about frogs or your watch.

Chris1:46:23 Yeah, I quite like that. Yeah, it's good in it. I like that as well.

Neil1:46:26 And I still do. We talked about this load and I still do love the idea that the show is discovered in the future by the AI that's killed everybody. And it's trying to piece together what the human race was like. And it uses the transcripts from our show. Be like a Red Dwarf thing. You know what I mean?

Chris1:46:41 Yeah.

Neil1:46:42 It kind of listens and it really. This is what it thinks. So, yeah, you could. You could. I could say anything.

Chris1:46:47 Yeah.

Neil1:46:47 It probably thinks that humans lived on round trees,

Chris1:46:52 particularly red and black ones.

Neil1:46:53 Oh, and Lindsay, if you listen to this, you'll have to tell us what. What you. Because I think it's not fair. She's a guest.

Chris1:46:59 Yeah, yeah.

Neil1:47:01 We need to get what she likes, so she needs to tell us what she wants us to get and then we'll. We'll get them and then. And like. Is there anything else we need? Do girls need anything else? What? I don't know what to do.

Chris1:47:16 That'd be fine.

Neil1:47:17 Yeah.

Chris1:47:17 Thing is, we've got a garage across the road.

Neil1:47:19 Yeah. So whatever happens, there's no petrol.

Chris1:47:23 Whatever happens, we can go across the road.

Neil1:47:25 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Chris1:47:27 So if there's anything else is necessary, then we could go across the road.

Neil1:47:30 It's quite exotic over there, isn't it? Yeah, it's quite cool.

Chris1:47:32 Good stuff.

Neil1:47:32 They've got, like. We normally. We have Coke Zero, which have. Probably some of that.

Chris1:47:35 Yeah.

Neil1:47:36 And then. And then we'll have.

Chris1:47:38 Yeah, whatever the sweets are.

Neil1:47:39 Yeah, whatever vegan friendly, round tree sweets there are.

Chris1:47:43 Yeah.

Neil1:47:44 Which we're big fans of. So they've got a few left.

Chris1:47:46 Have we?

Neil1:47:47 Yeah. The problem is it's.

Chris1:47:49 Now it's getting towards 1 o'. Clock.

Neil1:47:50 It's 20 to 1.

Chris1:47:52 Yeah, yeah.

Neil1:47:53 In the morning on a Monday. It's now Monday, not Sunday. And we've. We've had four cans of Coke and two packets of round trees.

Chris1:48:02 Yeah.

Neil1:48:02 And I need to get sleep. Yeah, but you need to get sleep.

Chris1:48:05 Yeah, It'd be all right.

Neil1:48:08 Sorry, sorry.

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When Being The Biggest Band In The World Becomes A Punchline

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