blink 182 - Enema of the State · Riffology: Iconic Rock Albums Podcast

Neil0:24 That was kind of a bit gruff. It was a bit like late night. Late night radio.

Chris0:28 Yeah. I've got a gruff at the minute. I've got a gruff Enter.

Neil0:31 Yeah, you have, yeah.

Chris0:32 Why is that?

Neil0:32 I don't know. Is it because it's 1 million degrees?

Chris0:35 I bet it is. That it is.

Neil0:36 And I bet you've been out doing singing song. You've been out singing song.

Chris0:39 Oh, I have butchered Bohemian Rhapsody. Oh, it's bad. I only know how to play the first bit.

Neil0:45 I don't like that. I don't like. I don't. I don't like. There's some things that, you know, when you see people doing covers of things and I get a little bit. I cry a little bit inside. One is like any Queen song. Any Guns and Roses song. Song. I find hard work as well. I like. I just. I don't know. I think it's the vocal, like. I think it's Axel's vocals.

Chris1:04 Yeah.

Neil1:04 And it's Freddy's. You. I mean, it's kind of the. Kind of like things you can't.

Chris1:08 Yeah.

Neil1:09 You can't imitate.

Chris1:10 Can you tell you my Roy Wood story? No, I've got a good Roy Wood story gone. So. Roy Wood is obviously fairly local to us. Yeah, he lives on. He lives sort of like Derby Ashbourney kind of way, like on the road.

Neil1:23 That'll be Ashbourne.

Chris1:24 Yeah.

Neil1:24 That's nice out there.

Chris1:25 Yeah. There's a lot of police cars tonight.

Neil1:28 I know we've got only what we've been sitting here, but the thing is, you know, the police cars, they have the special sirens, don't they? Yeah, they have the normal sirens, the kind of Nina. Yeah, Right. And then they've got the wobbly ones. They're all doing the. And they're all.

Chris1:44 What does that mean, though?

Neil1:45 I don't know. I mean, get out of the way.

Chris1:46 Yeah.

Neil1:46 But is it.

Chris1:47 Is it like. Is it more intense?

Neil1:48 I think so. Is it.

Chris1:50 I don't know about the science of.

Neil1:51 I get the feeling that they're all in there. They're all super excited to go and get somewhere. I don't know what they're doing, but they're very busy. But I think that's five police cars.

Chris2:01 It's like red alert, like brown alert, you know, it's like

Neil2:06 there's something. Something's happening somewhere down not far from us.

Chris2:10 Yeah.

Neil2:10 Melbourne, maybe.

Chris2:12 Maybe.

Neil2:12 Yeah, maybe. Maybe some. Something. I would guess 5 to 12 miles away from us here. There's a. There's some kind of event and it'll all be over the socials in the morning when we wake up. When you go on, we'll know. Yeah. Isle of Swad or whatever. You know, the kind of spotted things that will be somebody's, you know, Swaron Bridge. Oh, yeah. Well, too many for accidents.

Chris2:36 Yeah.

Neil2:36 You wouldn't, you wouldn't, wouldn't that. This is. This is.

Chris2:38 Summer's going on.

Neil2:39 Yeah. Footballers, you know, because there's a lot of football.

Chris2:43 Oh, it is football time.

Neil2:44 It was. There was England playing last night.

Chris2:45 Yeah.

Neil2:46 And like my. Where I live, everybody went out and it was one o' clock in the morning. They did a conga around. Around the road.

Chris2:55 Because that's what you do, isn't it?

Neil2:56 It's not. You know, it is nice.

Chris2:58 Everyone have.

Neil2:59 To be honest. I do.

Chris3:00 It's nice to see everyone together, not punching each other or arguing about politics.

Neil3:05 I like that. Like, they're all out doing the flag, doing the national. And I quite like that nationalistic thing when it's behind sports.

Chris3:12 Yes.

Neil3:12 And I kind of feel a little bit like that's, that's my Britain.

Chris3:16 That's. Yeah, yeah.

Neil3:17 Not like not climbing lampposts. Get rid, get, get all. Get rid of all the brown people. I love it when it' this and everybody's out there, everybody's getting behind, you know, the, the, the national team. And I just. I don't know. It's lovely and it was great. They were all out last night. They were all con. I was in bed, obviously being miserable. But I, I, it did make me perk me up a little bit, which is saying a lot of one o' clock in the morning. I poked my head out of the window, like, what are you doing? You know, like football in it. Yeah. Brilliant.

Chris3:51 Yes. So Roy Wood. Oh, yeah, yeah. So I did well to remember that. Yeah.

Neil3:58 I'd have, I'd have gone. Yeah.

Chris4:00 Listeners. Game. What happened to the Roy.

Neil4:03 Roy Wood went right in. What were you saying about me?

Chris4:06 Yeah.

Neil4:07 I want to know.

Chris4:07 I don't know if he'd remember. He might do. I don't know. He's certainly been around when I've been playing a few times.

Neil4:14 Yeah.

Chris4:15 Like in the pubs and stuff, you know, local area. Because he does, he does frequent.

Neil4:18 You can remind everybody. Roy Wood. Who's Roy Wood?

Chris4:21 Oh, he did the wish. It could be Christmas every day, man.

Neil4:25 Yeah.

Chris4:26 Yeah. Which is arguably the best Christmas song.

Neil4:29 It is a good Christmas.

Chris4:30 I like the Slade one as well, though. That's good as well.

Neil4:32 It's Christmas. Yeah. I like I, I. Yeah. Christmas songs are hard. Def Leppard have done they. They've done some appalling Christmas songs.

Chris4:41 There's a lot of people that have done a poor and Christmas song.

Neil4:44 It's hard.

Chris4:44 People somebody thought they'd be good at like do a Christmas song.

Neil4:47 People think it's easy.

Chris4:48 No.

Neil4:48 Do you know who nailed it recently? That's the Pretty reckless.

Chris4:51 Yes. Yeah.

Neil4:52 She did one. Taylor did one and I liked it, which is a lot for me.

Chris4:57 I like.

Neil4:57 And the other one's Sledding Hill. August Burns Red.

Chris4:59 Yeah, that's great. Yeah.

Neil5:00 Yeah. They mostly terrible.

Chris5:03 Didn't do a full Christmas album.

Neil5:05 Who?

Chris5:05 August Burns.

Neil5:06 Yeah, that. That Sledding Hill, it's got. It's got some. The. My best bit is like a metal core band doing Carol of the Bells.

Chris5:13 Yes. Yeah. That's what I was thinking about.

Neil5:15 Genius. I love it. I. What I like about it is it begins. It begins like how. Of the Bells. So you can get away with it. So it's Christmas Day and like, you know, the grandparents are all around and they're not big fans of metalcore. You can get away. You can kind of go play Carol of the Bells by August Burns Red to ask Alexa.

Chris5:32 Yeah.

Neil5:33 And it starts and the bells start and they'll go. And then you've got like raging guitars.

Chris5:40 Yeah.

Neil5:40 Anyway. Roy Wood.

Chris5:41 Oh yeah. So he. So I was in a place called. I think it was called the Red Lion.

Neil5:46 It's just going to take long.

Chris5:47 No, no, of course it is. Cuz we get a tangent 50 times during the telling of the story.

Neil5:55 Rambling.

Chris5:56 So yeah. So it was the Red lion in Nubra, which is.

Neil6:00 Oh yeah.

Chris6:01 Like Hanley Nubra.

Neil6:02 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Chris6:03 Kind of anslo area. That's all around that neck of the Wood nearby.

Neil6:06 Means nothing to anybody.

Chris6:07 Outside near where St. George's park is. If people like football.

Neil6:12 That's where the England. The England squad do things there, don't they? Nice hotel there.

Chris6:17 Yes. I've never been actually. I've never been.

Neil6:19 No. I can't remember why I was there. I had to go and do something. There was a talk. Nothing to do with football. I don't know why it was.

Chris6:27 But they've got aircon.

Neil6:28 They did have aircon. Yeah. It was nice. It was very. It reminded me of Dubai. I don't know why I'm making that connection, but it did it remind. It was very like soulless and that like kind of. Do you know what I mean?

Chris6:42 Yeah, yeah.

Neil6:43 It's got. Literally it's Got. No, it's like the.

Chris6:45 All of.

Neil6:46 All of Germany. Like there's no soul. Just absolutely pristinely clean, nicely organized.

Chris6:52 Beautiful. Yeah.

Neil6:53 Marble.

Chris6:54 Yeah.

Neil6:55 You know, clearly designed by committee.

Chris6:57 Yeah.

Neil6:57 That kind of thing.

Chris6:58 Yeah.

Neil6:58 And you like Dubai? Dubai is like the whole of the countries. Like that is. The whole lot of. It's designed by committee and it's just all marble and it's all clear and. You know what I mean? Everything's like.

Chris7:09 Yeah.

Neil7:10 Do you know what I mean? It's like, no one's vomited on that. Do you know what I mean? It's got no. There's no history to it. There's no. There's no. So I'm gonna say salt vomit is what I mean. But it's got that feel. Got the feel like nothing.

Chris7:22 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Neil7:23 I don't know, maybe it's because it's new, maybe it's. Maybe it's the newness. I'm. I'm new, isn't it? Like, Dubai is quite new and. And the St. George's Park Hotel is quite new. I think it's just a Hilton, isn't it? It's something.

Chris7:34 I don't know.

Neil7:34 Yeah, it's just. It's a standard issue.

Chris7:36 Yeah.

Neil7:37 Copy and paste hotel from a city. Anyway, now I've slandered Dubai, Germany, Hilton. If anyone else wants offending, just write in. I don't mean it, really. It was. It was really cool. It was lovely.

Chris7:53 They're all nice places.

Neil7:54 It was. Lovely place. Yes. It was significantly more temperate and cool and nice than our. Our studio.

Chris8:03 So. Red line in new bra.

Neil8:04 Oh, yeah. Roy Wood. Yeah.

Chris8:05 October time. I remember this clearly.

Neil8:07 Yeah.

Chris8:08 So I reckon it was early October.

Neil8:09 Yeah.

Chris8:10 It was just getting into, you know, cold season.

Neil8:12 Yeah.

Chris8:13 And they'd got the fire on. And it's an old pub. It's like the opposite of the St. George.

Neil8:17 Right. Yeah, yeah. Low ceil. Yeah, all that.

Chris8:21 Yeah, yeah. Like rickety doors, like beautiful, like proper farmer kind of. Kind of thing. Yeah. And. And anyway, so I'm. I'm in there, I'm just doing. Just playing. Bright side. And, you know, again, the thing is,

Neil8:35 you keep saying you don't like playing, but you keep playing. I think secretly

Chris8:40 you just don't have a choice. It's just. It's just, you know, bright side has

Neil8:43 to come out or we'll kill you. Yeah.

Chris8:47 Yes. I was doing all those sort of things and in the interval.

Neil8:53 Yeah.

Chris8:54 There was a. A couple of guys who come in.

Neil8:57 Yeah.

Chris8:57 And they were like, look, mate, we've got a bet on. It was like, okay, fine, right. He's bet me 50 quid you can't play that Roy Wood Christmas song. And I went, mate, it's October. I can't play that now. That's why I remember the day.

Neil9:13 Yeah.

Chris9:14 And it was like, I can't play, like. That's weird. I can't. I can't turn out a Christmas song in October. Anyone? Honestly, mate, if. Listen, if you. If you can play that song. Yeah, I get 50 quid and I'll just give you 20 quid or whatever. Like, this is a lot. And I'm like, well, you know. And I'm. And I'm like, I don't know. Quite Nora Divergent. And. And. And that was. It was getting into the point of small talk. Oh. And I was like, I just need to get out of this situation.

Neil9:39 I'll just play it.

Chris9:40 I'll just play it. I'll just get it. I'll get it done. And, yeah, I know I can't deal with, like, that human. Whatever that. Yeah,

Neil9:51 yeah.

Chris9:52 So I thought, well, okay, that's easy. I kind of sort of know the chords.

Neil9:57 Yeah.

Chris9:57 Like, the words.

Neil9:58 I've seen you. I've seen you loads. If you just. You just kind of skim through. You used to have the iPad app. You should just skim through it and you just be like, oh, yeah, I know that. And then you just play it and it'd be like. Like we take a normal human, like, you know, a good hour or two to study it. And you're like, no, no, no. Like three seconds. I figured, Yeah, I know this.

Chris10:14 So. So I got the chords all right, but I can't remember words. I don't think I had the. The iPad that night.

Neil10:20 Right.

Chris10:21 I had. There was no WI fi or anything. Yeah. I mean, it's one of those sort of places. So middle of nowhere. So anyway, I kind of winged it.

Neil10:27 Yeah.

Chris10:27 And like, winged this kind of, like, awful version of his song that Wish it could be Christmas every day.

Neil10:35 Yeah.

Chris10:35 And. And got to the end of it and there was a bit of a clap and all that sort of stuff. And then there was a kn. Because when I was. I was stood performing to the pub in front of me.

Neil10:43 Yeah.

Chris10:43 And to my left there was the door kind of to get in.

Neil10:45 Yeah.

Chris10:46 So I stood by the door and there was a knock. I went, all right. Oh. Bit weird, like, knocking. It's bloody Roy Wood.

Neil10:54 Oh, my God.

Chris10:55 And I've just absolutely annihilated his song.

Neil10:58 Brilliant. What did he Say, it's just.

Chris11:01 You're right, mate. And I can't remember how. Mate, I've just killed. I've just butchered you. I'm so sorry. Like, I don't know it very well. And they put. They put a bet on. I tried to explain myself.

Neil11:10 Yeah.

Chris11:10 And he just went, mate, I've heard worse. It's Fin.

Neil11:13 Isn't that nice of him, though? Yeah, I've heard worse. Yeah, that's a compliment. Lovely.

Chris11:18 I've got another Roy Wood story, of course, in that he got his doctorate on the same day that I graduated. He got, like, an honorary doctorate from Derbyshire for services to music, from Derby Uni or whatever it was. So he did, like, the speech and that. He did that there.

Neil11:34 So, Kike, you and him are, like, best mates. How did you. How did you not know the lyrics to his song?

Chris11:41 I can't remember words. I'm. Honestly, I'm terrible. I can never remember words to songs. I know all the chords, I know all the tunes. Like. Like today.

Neil11:47 Yeah.

Chris11:48 I kind of hopped on a gig. I did it the other week at Silverstone Mates.

Neil11:51 Yeah.

Chris11:51 And, like, I don't rehearse.

Neil11:52 What's that? Like that suddenly. Oh, the Dire Straits Guitar George. He knows all the chords.

Chris11:58 Yeah. So they're just ring me and go, like, you want to come and, like, play? And I'm like, yeah, absolutely.

Neil12:05 Oh, you got to talk to us and we will get on to this.

Chris12:07 Because I. Because the thing is, is I don't like to practice. I just like to show up and make and, like, do it. And. And. And. And that gig. And that's not like an ego thing. That's just, like. That's what I like to do. I don't. I don't like to, like, waffle and I like to just turn up and then wing it. Yeah, yeah. And get things wrong and it's fine. And, like, at that gig, everything was there, so, like, I just turned up and then. And then. Bosch, off we go.

Neil12:35 There's a gig now we will get on to.

Chris12:38 What? The what?

Neil12:39 The show. We're doing a podcast before we get that far. Yeah, I want to know what Silverstone was like, because you played again, didn't you? At Silverstone? One of my favorite stories last year or the year before was the pyrotechnics man. And you said, just do it all, and it was like a scene out of Apocalypse Now.

Chris12:58 Yeah.

Neil12:59 How did this week go?

Chris13:00 We weren't in that same tent this year.

Neil13:01 Oh, no?

Chris13:02 No. So we're in the slightly smaller time. But it was wicked. It was a load of fun. I like it because it's fun. I like. I don't know that. I don't.

Neil13:07 You, like, disappear. You go. You go off. You're off grid for a good, like, two days. It's like. There's no. You just disappear, don't you? Like, you. And how. See, just. It's like different planet.

Chris13:19 It's nice. Like, I got there and they showed me the set list and I knew most of them.

Neil13:22 Yeah.

Chris13:23 And then. And then we just went and played them.

Neil13:24 It was wicked. Just guess the rest. Yeah.

Chris13:28 But, yeah, it was great. It was fantastic. Like, nice stage and like, all that sort of stuff. So what it is, is the woodland site.

Neil13:33 Yeah.

Chris13:34 Which is kind of the campsite next to where Silverstone is.

Neil13:37 So you're not even at the racetrack, really. You're kind of. You're like.

Chris13:39 And every year, like, Dave, my. You know, our friend.

Neil13:41 Do you want to come to the race?

Chris13:42 Come and watch the race. Like, you're on the Sunday.

Neil13:44 And I was so hungover for the last time. I was. Last time I was at the race, like, Housey came over, like, really hungover, and you were so hungover, you were like, oh, I'm not even coming. I shall stay in that. Were you in the RV or whatever?

Chris13:57 Yeah, that's it. Yeah.

Neil13:58 I should just staying here and. And House. He said, like, when I left Chris, he was horizontal and he. I don't. I think he might be dead. He said, I'll go and see him in a bit.

Chris14:07 Yeah. So that was good. Yeah. The pyrotechnic story was great. So that was when we were playing the big tent. It's called. I think it's called the Big Top. And there's like, you know, It's a good 5,000 people in that. It's a good big tent. Like, it's a big job. And we were playing and I don't know why, because I'm not even like the. Like, I don't have the aura of the guy that you come and ask the band questions to, if that makes sense.

Neil14:29 Yeah, yeah.

Chris14:30 But anyway, the pyrotechnics guy from the gig, like, you know, when you talk, you know, your production.

Neil14:34 The sound guy. Yeah, yeah.

Chris14:35 So you're talking about, you know, sound and light and in this case, pyros. And he said, like, what do you want? And I went, all of it. And it's like. Like, you asked the wrong person. I don't. Don't. Don't ask me.

Neil14:48 About anything to avoid answering the question. Just what you.

Chris14:51 So what you want, like, just everything. What? What, all of us? Yeah. All the time, all the way through.

Neil14:56 Yeah.

Chris14:56 And my God, did he deliver?

Neil15:00 There's a bill somewhere for that. It's like, you know, why have you spent, like, 12,000 quid on.

Chris15:06 Yeah. It's like CO2 cannons. There was flames and fire and sparks and. And then the streamers came down from the ceiling.

Neil15:14 That's brilliant.

Chris15:14 It was amazing.

Neil15:15 That's brilliant.

Chris15:16 I thought it was great. And everyone else was just like. Because no one else knew that was coming because I've not told anyone.

Neil15:22 Oh, God. Oh. Anyway, yeah, this is Riffology. Thank you for joining us. Yes, we're doing Blink 182.

Chris15:33 Chris. Yeah.

Neil15:34 I'm Neil. Yeah, you're. You're Chris. I was gonna say, we don't normally waffle quite so much. Oh, it's quite good. Recently we've been like.

Chris15:42 That's. That's 15 minutes. We've been 15 minutes.

Neil15:47 The last few. We've been, like, straight in. We've been, you know, on it, like, car bonnet, in, we go boom. And then. And then this week, just the waffle. But it is what it is. The. The. I can't remember why we got on.

Chris16:01 I'm glad that story went down, though, the Roy Wood story.

Neil16:04 Yeah.

Chris16:04 Because I do. I do enjoy telling that story quite a lot. I don't tell people it.

Neil16:08 Yeah.

Chris16:08 And it's now that it's there.

Neil16:09 It is there. So when the AI super race. I like, I. I love the idea of like. Like humans dying out completely.

Chris16:17 Yeah.

Neil16:18 And then in the future, like, some. Either an alien race or like some kind of, like, AI, you know, he's left and discovers this show and pieces the human race together from this show. And it's kind of like anything we say.

Chris16:34 Yeah.

Neil16:34 Is fact.

Chris16:35 Yeah.

Neil16:36 Like, if we said, like, bananas are blue.

Chris16:38 Yeah. And that's why. That's why. That's why we view dinosaurs as the way we do, isn't it? Because dinos. A lot of dinosaurs had feathers and we, you know.

Neil16:46 Well, so there's. There is a wonderful track on this album about aliens.

Chris16:53 Yes, there is.

Neil16:53 And I thought it'd be lovely to talk about that because we, like.

Chris16:56 Oh, you're actually a segue, then. Sorry.

Neil16:58 Okay, I'm segue. Yeah.

Chris17:01 That's quite. Quite good, though.

Neil17:03 But there's bits on. There are. See, I remember in the 90s when I think Tom DeLonge was a. He's a bit of an aliens Freaky likes, like. And today. That feels a bit weird. But in the 90s, we had the X File.

Chris17:18 Oh, it's massive. Wasn't it?

Neil17:19 The aliens was a big deal. You had, like. Like UFO stories and all kinds of. Everyone was totally convinced that aliens were here. And maybe they are, but there. There are so many, like, cool stories.

Chris17:30 That was one of my favorite things to teach.

Neil17:33 Aliens.

Chris17:33 Yeah, aliens. No, we. We had this thing called. We created called Opening Minds. It was like a whole, like, conceptualized curriculum.

Neil17:39 Yeah.

Chris17:40 Where we kind of mushed all the subjects together, you know, through the year sevens. They went on these journeys with, you know. It was wicked. It was so good.

Neil17:46 So for the Americans, Year seven is. That's the first year of, like, you.

Chris17:50 You. It lines up.

Neil17:51 Oh, does it? It's when you kind of. Yeah, it's usually. It's that first year of senior school, isn't it? So it's when.

Chris17:59 Yeah, there's a lot of American listers in there.

Neil18:01 Mostly American listeners, actually, these days. And Belgium.

Chris18:04 Yes.

Neil18:04 Although Belgium dropped off this week. I don't know where you've all got.

Chris18:07 That was just for Z Top.

Neil18:08 That was just for Zedz Top. Yeah. So that's what they're all doing. The whole of Belgium are off listening to the Zedz Top episode.

Chris18:18 Yeah. What was I saying then? Oh, yeah, yeah. And we. We taught them, like. We got them into Roswell. So we, like, got them into, like, they. We talked about all the. The history and they looked at all the news reports and they kind of dealt. And then they wrote their own sort of. Kind of, you know, narrative and story and then. It was great. It was really good. I loved it. I love that whole.

Neil18:40 Course I had that thing on. On my wall I want to believe I had a poster if I want to believe on my wall and it's just. I don't know. There's just something I really loved about that whole. Especially looking back. I thought it was just such a cool time.

Chris18:54 I love all of it. Aliens, pyramids. A lot.

Neil19:00 Hey, mom, there's something in the back room. Hope it's not the creatures from above. You used to read me stories as if my dreams were boring. We all know conspiracies are dumb. What if people knew that these were real? I leave my closet door open all night I know this the CIA would say what you hear is all hearsay Wish someone would tell me what was

Chris19:42 right

Neil19:46 all night long and there's something very wrong and I know it must be late Been gone since yesterday

Chris20:03 I'M

Neil20:03 not like you guys I'm not like you. I am still a skeptic yes, you know me Been best friends in will me till we die I got an injection A fear from the abduction My best friend thinks I'm just telling lies oh, right. Up all night long and there's something very wrong and I know it must be late Been gone since yesterday

Chris20:53 I'm

Neil20:54 not like you guys I'm not like you. Dark and scary ordinary Extra information

Chris21:26 information

Neil21:28 Noise to know ya Paranormal where's my mother? My father up all night long and there's something very wrong and I know it must be lay. I like the bonkersness of it and I like the fact that, like, if it was true, if, if it turned out to be true, if it turned out that the, the pyramids were, you know, alien spaceships or whatever.

Chris22:19 Yeah.

Neil22:21 I don't like current. In the current. In, in the current climate. I think everyone just go, all right. I don't think. I just. I just don't think it would be that big. I just don't think it'd be that big a deal. It's got. We're at that point now.

Chris22:34 Yeah. Where, like, you know, like, the timeline's got so much.

Neil22:37 President Trump's like, just, you know, I'm gonna declare war. I'm gonna rename this. I'm gonna do all that. You've got like, Russia and, and Ukraine and everyone's fighting and doing all the things in the wars and all of the different stuff. AI. Doing the AI things. I just think everybody's like, do you know what I mean? Genuinely, I think if aliens landed tomorrow.

Chris22:56 Yeah.

Neil22:57 There will be headlines.

Chris22:58 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Neil22:58 I think the vast majority of the population would just be like, well, all right.

Chris23:01 Oh, God. Is that gonna. Is that gonna interrupt the football?

Neil23:04 Yeah, yeah. Do we have to pay more for this? Is that what's going on? We've not got to pay for them. Who's gonna, you know, we're not gonna. Which country are they going to live in? Yeah, they're not. They weren't born here, but it would do it. I don't. I don't think that it would be like, in the 90s, it would have been like, do you know what I mean? It would have been, like, enormous. It would have been like the biggest thing ever.

Chris23:28 Yeah.

Neil23:29 And now I just think the population is just like, yeah, whatever.

Chris23:33 Yeah.

Neil23:33 Unless they've got anything cool.

Chris23:35 Yeah.

Neil23:35 Like flying, like, like flying surfboards.

Chris23:38 Yes. Yeah. All those other things off back to the future. Because they never Got made.

Neil23:44 Yeah. That would be cool.

Chris23:46 They should have got made by now. You'd have thought.

Neil23:48 Yeah. What happened there? So is that a conspiracy? Alien conspiracy?

Chris23:53 You know, I just think, like, you know, people put their effort into the wrong things, aren't they?

Neil23:59 Yeah. Yeah. Did right. Wasting their lives with, like, whatever it is they're doing.

Chris24:07 Yeah.

Neil24:07 And instead of, you know, making lightsabers. Yeah.

Chris24:10 And hobby balls. But they have got AI, which is kind of like what Ziggy was on instinct. Quantum Leap.

Neil24:18 That was quite good. But that whole. That whole time for me was. I. I just think it was. I think the TV was better.

Chris24:24 Yeah.

Neil24:25 Although, as my youngest reminds me, it. It does look like it was recorded on a potato. So, like. Well, it doesn't matter. Sex Files.

Chris24:35 Yeah.

Neil24:35 We can't watch it. He's like, I can't. I can't. He said, I can't watch it because, like, it's just too, you know, it's not. Not clear enough.

Chris24:41 Yeah.

Neil24:42 You don't want it to be that. You don't need it to be clear.

Chris24:44 What is interesting, though, actually, that's that we can segue on this is because the audio fidelity of this record. It sounds great. The mix is great. But when you look at things like the vid.

Neil24:57 So I'm just interrupting, Chris, because there's a police car outside. Look. It's flashing its lights. Look.

Chris25:01 Well, actually, outside us.

Neil25:02 Yeah.

Chris25:03 Tracking it says that they're trying to visit.

Neil25:06 I thought maybe it's someone from Dubai, so. Corey, go on. I got. I got distracted from the police. The police.

Chris25:13 Because that. That sirens off. Does that mean he's really serious?

Neil25:16 I don't know if you know, Ryan, and I'm sure. I'm sure somebody in the. In the police service that listens to this nonsense. Tell us, what does it mean when you've got. No. What do they call a honky thing? Sirens. If you've got no sirens on.

Chris25:37 What we're talking about. Oh, yeah. The audio finality. So when you listen to it.

Neil25:40 Yeah.

Chris25:41 Like, because you. When you said. He said it was. It wasn't done to click. It's done on tape.

Neil25:44 Blew me away, though.

Chris25:46 Like, it's been mixed kind of, you know, in different places and all that. But when you watch the video interviews from this era, like, it looks dated, but. But it doesn't sound dated when you listen to the songs. Like. Like the production of it.

Neil26:02 So Pro Tools existed.

Chris26:03 Yeah.

Neil26:04 Most other bands were doing stuff to Pro Tools and it was done to click.

Chris26:10 Yeah.

Neil26:11 Like. Yeah. I mean, the Linkin park, the Limp Bizkit, you got Kid Rock. I suppose there was.

Chris26:19 There was the need for that, though, because of the use of like, say, MIDI instruments.

Neil26:23 Yeah.

Chris26:24 Where it relies on the time.

Neil26:25 Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

Chris26:26 You know, aspects of sequencing. Yeah. That relies on that. That kind of, you know.

Neil26:30 It's a funny album, this one is to me. It's. It's got this real kind of upbeat, live feel to it. I think I. I remember listening to this. We. I. I was in my first, like, big boy it job at this point. So I started kind of. I started in it in like the early mid-90s. By the time Enemy of the State came out, I was in a proper. You know, I had a pager.

Chris26:59 Yeah.

Neil27:00 Which I once flushed down a toilet. Accidentally. I put it in my top pocket and I limped forward and it came out of my. Then I flushed the toilet.

Chris27:11 Oh, no. Where'd you. Done some business?

Neil27:13 No, no, I. I had a Wii.

Chris27:15 Yeah.

Neil27:16 And then it hadn't flushed properly.

Chris27:18 Yeah.

Neil27:19 So I kind of. I had one of those press button things and I kind of lent forward to press it in as I lent forward to.

Chris27:26 So it actually. The fudge and the thing for him and it.

Neil27:29 It had gone. It had gone down the tubes and I had to go to my boss and it was like, what have you done? Where is he? I said, can you just give me a pager? And then he went down this whole. I need to know where the old one is. Yeah, well, you don't need to worry about that. I need to write it on the form. I said, well, I accidentally flushed it down a toilet to. Had a long conversation about that. But. But the. This album, like, we used to go.

Chris27:51 If you'd like, if it landed in a pool or something.

Neil27:54 Oh, good. No, it's like 8 year olds in a. In a podcast.

Chris28:01 Sorry.

Neil28:02 So I had. Yes, I had my. My big boy job. We used. We used to go every Thursday and Friday night. We used to go out. We used to go in. Bur we used to go out in Burton or Tamworth or in Leicester where we worked, where we go out in one of them. And there would. There was a handful of albums that I would always have in. In the car. And this would have been one of them. Like, often this. This would have been on the, you know, the kind of. The going out.

Chris28:27 Yeah.

Neil28:28 Music that said, this is what I would have had on to get me in. You know, you. You've gone into work, done your day job, you know, and. And then sometimes you're not in the mood.

Chris28:39 Yeah.

Neil28:40 To go out and this would have been an album for me that. That would have got me. This would have been the.

Chris28:45 We would have gone out probably at the same. Because I would have been. No, I might have been a couple of years later than that.

Neil28:50 Yeah.

Chris28:50 But going out in town.

Neil28:51 Yeah.

Chris28:52 If this was 99.

Neil28:53 Yeah, 99. Yeah. Yeah.

Chris28:55 I would.

Neil28:56 Well, so we would have been.

Chris28:58 If we ever went to the same place.

Neil28:59 I don't know. I bet we did.

Chris29:01 Yeah.

Neil29:01 We would have gone to. Where would we have gone to? We went to, like, Chicago. Rock in Burton. We would. Gone to the Abbey as well. The Abbey. We're in Tamworth. We used to go to a place in Tamworth.

Chris29:14 There's a jailhouse, probably.

Neil29:16 Was the jailhouse. Yeah. There was two places.

Chris29:20 They always had a. When we were there, there was like a topless bar made. That was like a thing.

Neil29:25 Oh, the Sunday. Sunday lunches they used to do there. Yeah, I remember that.

Chris29:28 Yeah.

Neil29:29 And then we.

Chris29:30 The Sunday with the topless barmaid.

Neil29:32 Yeah.

Chris29:33 I always had that worry of, like, what. What if. Like,

Neil29:41 That's not good.

Chris29:41 My filter's off today.

Neil29:42 I'm so going to translate very well to the audio world of podcast. And then we used to go out. We used to go. There's a couple of places in Leicester we used to go to as well. Well, but there.

Chris29:52 But.

Neil29:52 But, you know, the. The. I'm trying to think of the other albums that I would have had on. It would have been like, Kid Rock, Limp Bizkit, Linkin park, this.

Chris30:04 Yeah.

Neil30:06 Offspring, which would have been the big Offspring album around this time.

Chris30:10 Smash, wouldn't it?

Neil30:11 What was the one? No, it was one after Americana. It was Americana. That was the one that I had.

Chris30:18 Oh, yeah. Because Smash was.

Neil30:20 They were early there. Yeah. Mid-90s, weren't they? It's worth talking, actually, a little bit about, I think, where this scene came from.

Chris30:28 Oh. Because that segues really nicely to the blog.

Neil30:30 Oh, yes. I had this idea when we do these things, there's usually a scene, or not usually, but sometimes there's a scene that it fits in. And I just thought it's quite a nice thing to do. We often. I've got tons of these threads where I'll be researching, you know, a scene. So we've got a little bit to talk about as we're going through it, especially if we're going to do. If you think we're going to do a few albums from.

Chris30:57 Yeah.

Neil30:58 From one area. And I thought, why do we not put that in the blog.

Chris31:00 Yeah.

Neil31:01 So we've started to do a bit of that. So if you go on to Riffology co, you'll find that there's a scenes section and I'm just. It's a bit nascent to be new at the minute, but there's a few. I think there's four or five in there. And as I get different ideas, I'm starting to. To test them out and.

Chris31:14 And see fair play for getting nascent in.

Neil31:16 That's a good nascent. So. But yeah, but yeah, it's. It's. It's interesting, I think.

Chris31:23 But I loved it. I've. I read it. So I read the blog for this album and the blog for that scene.

Neil31:30 The scene.

Chris31:31 Pop punk scene before. Before we started. I'm like this wicked. It's so good.

Neil31:35 It's interesting. One of the things that the scene. This, I guess that scene blog does is connects you to the things that were happening around and the order as well. So I don't know, like, if you think about pop punk in general, like, this is an album that stands out and blinks stand out. But the scene started five or six years earlier with Offspring and Green Day. And it's fascinating to me as well that. That there. There was a. A place. I'm gonna. I'm gonna have to get my laptop because there was a. There was a place that they got.

Chris32:19 Oh, the nonprofit.

Neil32:20 Yeah, there's 924 Gilman street in Berkeley. They ran a strict no major labels policy. It incubated Green Day, Rancid and a whole bunch of other bands.

Chris32:31 Green Day were called Sweet Children, weren't they?

Neil32:33 Yeah. And Green Day got. Got banned from there when they signed to a major. They signed to a major label and then Green Day and Offspring. So Green Days, Dookie and Offspring, Smash, basically at the same. Same time. Both did really well commercially. Both were banned from. From that place. Rancid and no Effects also went platinum and were huge. But they remained on independent labels.

Chris33:00 Right.

Neil33:01 So they were. They were still allowed to. To. To play because.

Chris33:05 Yeah, Offspring went with Epitaph.

Neil33:07 Yeah, that's it.

Chris33:08 And Green Day went with Reprise, didn't they?

Neil33:10 But it.

Chris33:11 But it broke out first, then went

Neil33:12 to Reprise, but then it spun off the whole. So then. So you kind of had that and you had. You had that group. And then you almost had this like, second wave of pop punk, which. But it's a different sound here.

Chris33:23 Yeah.

Neil33:23 Like, this is more. This is really commercial.

Chris33:26 If you.

Neil33:26 If you go and listen to Taduki or Smash, and then listen to this. This sounds massive.

Chris33:32 Yeah.

Neil33:33 Even though it's not, you know, it's. It's still analog. It's not done to click. It sounds quite live. But the bottom end is enormous. It's huge. The kick and thump is mega. It's got this like, detail to it which is. I don't know, it sounds brilliant. I think the, like the. The guitar tone here is just. It's just exquisite. So. So good for the. For the genre.

Chris33:57 Yeah.

Neil33:59 And it kind of. You. You almost had this like MTV era. It was almost like Made for TV era pop punk, where it just got like bigger and more commercial.

Chris34:10 Yeah.

Neil34:10 And then it spun off, like, you know, it spun off, I guess some of the other stuff, didn't it? So you, you had Good Charlotte and Simple Plan.

Chris34:21 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Some 41.

Neil34:22 Some 41. And it's. Yeah, it's. Yeah. I don't know, it's. I think it's quite interesting that it's almost a decade that ran, if you like, because I think you had like. You got all the way up to like, I would say like American idiot, like 2004.

Chris34:40 Yeah.

Neil34:41 Where pop punk is then starting to fizzle out.

Chris34:44 Yeah.

Neil34:45 And I never really understood why it fizzled out, but it was funny. As you start to research, I found a bunch of articles that were talking about just being oversaturated a bit like hair metal, you know, when we did hair metal stuff. Oh, that'd be a good scene. I didn't do another one yet. That'll be quite a cool scene. One today. So just like hair metal, it was like every band, like every 20 seconds is a new hair metal band. And I think the same with pop punk. It was like.

Chris35:15 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Neil35:16 Because the ingredients are quite simple. It's like, you know, three chords, upbeat, bangy. You know, that's what you. That's what you got kind of thing.

Chris35:24 But then, but then that, that scene, I think made space for more female artists. So then you've got sort of Paramore coming through. You've got, you know. Yeah, to a certain extent. You know, she was a bit popular to begin with, but.

Neil35:37 Yeah, yeah.

Chris35:37 You know, lends itself to not being an exclusively male kind of environment. Whereas a lot of guitar based music.

Neil35:46 Kind of more of that coming back now.

Chris35:48 Yeah, yeah.

Neil35:49 Gina is. She's really good. If you. If you like stuff. If you. If you go into kind of Blink and. And you. And Green Day and Offspring and stuff. If you do a search for Gina G E E N A. I think she's really good. There's Rose Colored World as well. That's, they're, they're quite good. There's quite a big resurgence in pop which is kind of what gave me the incentive to. I was, I was wondering the beginning of this why we, why we did it. I'd forgotten but that's it that I, I, I, I've seen so many like young bands and they've that kind of got that aesthetic. Yeah. And they're even talking, it's funny, they're even talking about, they're like name checking the, the bands of the 90s and the pop puck bands that influence them which I think is really cool.

Chris36:33 There's a one called the Office Party that keeps popping up on my feet. I don't think they're particularly massive, but they sound great.

Neil36:38 Oh yeah, yeah. The Office Party. They're quite indy, aren't they? They're quite, Yeah, I quite like them. They're quite cool. You should, you should book them.

Chris36:44 Yeah.

Neil36:44 Get them on. Get them on. Yeah. They, I, I don't know that. But there is, is, there is something about the, the production here where it's almost like a, I don't know, it's like an inflection. It's like a, like a magic point.

Chris37:02 Right.

Neil37:02 Where this is analog. It's not over produced. It's sounds quite live.

Chris37:08 Yeah.

Neil37:09 You know the, this is the first one with Travis.

Chris37:14 Yes.

Neil37:15 Playing the drums and I don't know, it's got this like to know like magic quality to it. You know. Some albums for me just have this kind of magic quality where they kind of in this, you know, we talked about Ride the Lightning.

Chris37:30 Yes.

Neil37:31 And that for me that's in that magic bit where Metallica are going that they're changing from this thrash band over into this kind of more, you know, hard rock band.

Chris37:41 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Neil37:43 You know and, and, and they're going through this kind of almost Proggy phase where things are getting like super complicated and Lightning just fits in this gap in the middle.

Chris37:52 Yes.

Neil37:52 Where you know, where they're on this journey. They're clearly on this journey.

Chris37:57 Yeah.

Neil37:58 And for me with Blink, this is, this is this unique bit where they've, they had their early albums that went out on, that were, yeah. They went out self self publicized. Essential. They were kind of in underground y labels. You know, this is the first one where it was produced enough. You know, they'd got, they'd got major label backing and funding but it was still quite rushed. It didn't have like, you know, Tons of time in there. Band are just kind of getting together. They're all kind of quite excited and. And then it was recorded you to analog it. And I still think it's weird like this, this period of time. I would have. I would have expected almost every major label recording in. In the. Certainly from 99 onwards to have been done to Pro Tools.

Chris38:53 Yeah.

Neil38:54 So I think this is an odd one. Like there were some. There were some that were done very stereotypically not today because of the. You know, they were almost reacting against.

Chris39:05 Yeah.

Neil39:05 The digital.

Chris39:07 Yeah.

Neil39:07 Recording world even at that point when it was kind of new. But I don't think that was the case with this one.

Chris39:13 No.

Neil39:14 I think it was just we needed to get done quickly. So in they went and just did it. Just got it done and it was. You know, I think if they'd have gone into a different studio with a different producer. It had been done to click and it had been done.

Chris39:24 Yes. I don't think it was.

Neil39:27 It doesn't sound to me like that. You know, certainly I've. I've not. I didn't see any. Anything where they were saying that, you know, we're anti. And all of their albums afterwards were done to click and done Pro Tools. It was just this one that wasn't.

Chris39:38 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Neil39:39 But it gives it a unique style, I think.

Chris39:41 Yeah, no, agreed.

Neil39:43 And there's. There's an energy here. I mean not that the albums that came after didn't have that same level of energy, but it's almost kept some of the punk. It's kept more of the punk edge to it.

Chris39:54 Yeah.

Neil39:55 You know that, that kind of sort of saying the magic. Right. It's. It's got that punk like edge and feel to it where it's not like. I mean there are a lot of overdubs to it. There's a lot of multi tracking with the vocals. The. The bottom end is. Is. It's just tight. It sounds massive.

Chris40:17 Yeah.

Neil40:18 So it's not that it's not like pop produced because it is. I think, you know, it's got this pop production to it but it. It's kept much more of the like the. I guess the punk roots than.

Chris40:33 It's a three piece band, isn't it?

Neil40:34 Yeah.

Chris40:34 You know, they might have a couple of over guitars but there' not. There's nothing crazy on it. I mean they didn't get into kind of strings world until their eponymous album, did they?

Neil40:42 No. And they're mad live as well. I. I shot them on. They went out on tour now, I would never at this point in my photography career, I would never have been able to shoot Blink 182. But I'd. Sean Shoton, can you say that?

Chris40:59 Say what you want, mate.

Neil41:00 Shoot. It's your, your podcast shooted shot. And I don't. Anyway, I, I had photographed Frank.

Chris41:08 You showed.

Neil41:08 Shouted. I'd photographed Mr. Frank Turner, who I like Frank Turner's quite again, he's a, he's an artist. I think that his records don't do his live show justice. Like, the records sound almost folky and.

Chris41:21 Yeah.

Neil41:21 And. And you know, but live it's more. It's like a hardcore show. It's bonk. It's really cool. Anyway, I'd done some photography for him and he was on tour supporting Blink182.

Chris41:35 Okay.

Neil41:35 And his PR company pinged and said, said, do you want to come and do it there? Yeah, there's a show in Nottingham.

Chris41:40 Yeah.

Neil41:41 Do you want to go and. Want to go and do it?

Chris41:43 Yeah.

Neil41:44 And I was like, well, yeah. I remember sending the email going, yeah, okay, who's supporting Frank? And he goes, no, Frank's supporting Blink 180.

Chris41:51 Yeah.

Neil41:52 And I was like, oh, that might be interesting. That might be quite a good fun show to do. So I, the first time I've seen Blink live, I kind of watched them from the side of the stage. It was again a really weird. Often what they would do is they would. Would let us shoot and then they would dispatch you. Sometimes they would kind of Nottingham. Sometimes they would kick you out into the main arena, sometimes they would kick you out on the street.

Chris42:14 Yeah.

Neil42:16 But there were only like a handful of us, like probably four or five. And I, my. My tag said I was with Frank Turner because I did their PR company with Frank. That's. So I'm with Frank Turner.

Chris42:26 Yeah.

Neil42:27 And they just left me at the side of the stage. Yeah. So I watched them play.

Chris42:31 Yeah.

Neil42:31 I went. I shot their first three songs, which is what you're allowed to do, and then watch the rest of the band play from there. And it really cool. It was like the, you know, the first time seeing them live and seeing a three piece.

Chris42:40 Yeah.

Neil42:42 Produce that much.

Chris42:45 It's crazy, isn't it?

Neil42:45 And then do you know the other thing as well that. That hit me with is the, the engagement they had with the audience as well. Like the, those big songs, you know, kind of what's My Name again off here. All the Small Things, Adam's Song, Everybody Knows every word to every Song and. And they. They're Belting this stuff out. They are like. It's. It's. People are just losing their. Over this. I mean, you know, the songs come on and it's. They're. They're absolutely. I mean, this is like, you know, grown ups now. But what, what would have been kids. I mean, I used to scream along in the car to these songs.

Chris43:30 A video got shared the other day about, you know, my Chemical Romans are doing a bit. And it's the same things happening. You know those guys that were maybe in their early teens at the. At the time and now in their sort of late twenties to. Into going into thirties. And then there's that same thing's happening.

Neil43:42 It's. It was, it was brilliant. I. Yeah, it was lovely. It was. Yeah. You know, first, they're not about. It's funny because they're probably not a band I would have chosen to go and see live now. I don't know why I'm saying that, but they're just not. They're not that they're not. I wouldn't have, like. I wouldn't have gone, oh, blinker touring. I better go and see them.

Chris44:02 Yeah. Yeah.

Neil44:03 But watching them live, like really, like, I knew, you know, every song that they played, I knew all of the lyrics to them. I. You know, and it had such a great time. It was absolutely phenomenal. And I don't know, they're. They're a band that. I think they make people happy.

Chris44:21 Yeah.

Neil44:22 Do you know what I mean? They are. And it's funny because they got written off, I think, a large part as a joke band.

Chris44:28 Yeah.

Neil44:28 Especially this point in time because they did like the, the, the. I'm gonna get the videos mixed up now. I think it was the video to what's My Age? Yeah. So it was that video.

Chris44:40 Yeah.

Neil44:41 Where they're all naked.

Chris44:42 Yes.

Neil44:43 Is that the one? And they run through all the small things.

Chris44:45 1D is the pastiche. And all the old classic boy band and girl.

Neil44:49 Yeah, they made fun of all the boy bands. That's. Yeah. So. So. So they're naked and they're kind of running through and they're mucking about and stuff. I guess that's an interesting one because they weren't naked in there. Apparently. They wore flesh colored Speedos.

Chris45:07 Yes.

Neil45:08 When they, when they did it, I took her out. It was a Friday night I woke alone to get the feeling right we started making out and she took off my pants but then I turned on the TV and that. That's about the time she walked away from me Nobody likes you when you're 23 and I saw more abuse by TV shows what the hell is ADD? My friends say I should act my age what's my age again? What's my age again? But later on on the drive home I called her mom from a payphone I said I was the cop and your husband's in jail the state looks down on sodomy and that's about the time that bitch hung up on me Nobody likes you when you're 23 and I still boys he's my blank fur cows what the hell is Carl I need. My friends say I should ask my age what's my age again? What's my age again? And that's about the time she walked away from me Nobody likes you when you're 23 and you still act like you're impression what the hell is wrong with me? My friends say I should have my age what's my age? That's about the time that she broke out of me no one should take themselves so seriously with many years ahead to fall in line why would she wish that on me? I would never want to act my age Once my age again Once my age again. I'm not a rich kid. I wasn't, you know, born with a silver spoon in my mouth. I never want to go back to having nothing and I love what I do. Not a day of playing music feels like work. And I tend to. To I'm spoiled and I get to work with musicians I love. Like I just. Yeah. So I work with people that I really, truly with and I love. That's. That's my, you know, that's kind of like my passion and music. Like I said, not a day feels like work. But they got like written off as this kind of joke band and I don't know, I think it did my massive disjustice. And they also got lumped in with like Limp Bizkit and a bunch. And they've got nothing in common really with. With them. But they got. They all got lumped together.

Chris48:04 Yeah.

Neil48:05 Which I thought was a bit weird. The press coverage of this album was. Was way more positive than I think you would expect.

Chris48:16 Yeah.

Neil48:17 Except for a handful.

Chris48:19 Yeah. Like where they. Where they went down the route of like this Putrid is pure iron.

Neil48:23 Yeah. Yeah. Like, I think the vast majority coverage was pretty good. I think Karang really liked it. Most of the rock press and the metal press really liked it. Enemy hated it. But they hate everything. They're miserable bunch Enemy, but they. So the Enemy hated it. And just said it was, you know, just pointless. But it's funny now that like if you. If you go back and look now, even the Enemy rate is, you know, highly. And yeah. It gets listed in like our top pop punk albums.

Chris48:51 Yeah.

Neil48:51 The. The. That that are. That are out there. I think. I don't know that. That like mischievous nature.

Chris48:59 Yeah.

Neil49:00 That you saw come in the videos of this. Because the videos was the first real time off this album. I think that the. Most of the. This is where most people started to get to know the band.

Chris49:08 Yeah.

Neil49:11 I don't know that like for me it was that, that. That mischievousness that was their personality, you know. But there were some sad songs.

Chris49:21 Yeah.

Neil49:22 Yeah. As well. I mean the Adam song was a song about. It was. It was a song about suicide and depression. Like an ant, like an. Almost like an anti suicide song represented

Chris49:32 a wave, like a storytelling thing.

Neil49:34 Yeah. It was a story about, you know, dark times and coming out of the other end and getting. Getting better really. So it wasn't all like, you know, parties and stuff. But that's. That's the stuff that the press latched onto.

Chris49:47 Yes.

Neil49:48 I never thought I'd die alone. I laugh the loudest. Who'd have known? I traced the cord back to the wall. No wonder it was never plugged in at all. I took my time, I hurried up. The choice was mine. I didn't think enough. I'm too depressed too I want you'll be sorry when I'm gone. 16 just held such better days. Days when I still felt alive. We couldn't wait to get outside. The world was wide, Too late to try. The tour was over, we survived. I couldn't wait till I got home to pass the time in my room alone. I never thought I'd die alone. Another six months I'll be unknown. Give all my things to all my friends. You'll never step foot in my room again. You'll close it up, board it up. Remember the time that I spilled the cup of apple juice in the hall? Please tell mom this is not her fault. I never conquered, rarely came. 16 just held such better days. Days when I still felt alive. We couldn't wait to get outside. The world was way too late to try. The tour was over, we survived. I couldn't wait till I got home to pass the time in my room alone. Much better days. Days when I can still feel alive. When I can't wait to get outside the world is why the time goes by the to. I can't wait till I get home to Pass the time in my world

Chris53:32 alone

Neil53:35 There was a. A young lad who died. There was a shooting at a school in America. Yeah. And he. That one of the. One of the boys that was there who survived just couldn't cope with the survivor guilt and. And committed suicide. And he had Adam's song on repeat.

Chris53:53 Yeah.

Neil53:54 And the band took a ton of.

Chris53:55 Yeah. Yeah.

Neil53:57 Abuse.

Chris53:58 Yeah.

Neil53:58 And. And Whereas.

Chris53:59 Yeah. That's not. That's not the point of that song.

Neil54:02 Yeah. But I think it's. I do. You know, I think it probably did them some favors.

Chris54:08 Y.

Neil54:08 In. You know, in. In a roundabout sort of way to. To kind of have the. You know, the silly edge.

Chris54:15 It's not all just the slapstick.

Neil54:16 Yeah. Because this. This. I mean, which track was it? I'm gonna. I'm gonna forget the name of it. Oh, Mutt was used on American Pie.

Chris54:26 Yes.

Neil54:28 And I. I mean, there was kind of. They were. That, for me, kind of.

Chris54:36 Of

Neil54:38 reinforced the media's view of them as this kind of comedy.

Chris54:42 Yeah.

Neil54:42 Band.

Chris54:42 Yeah.

Neil54:43 You know, because they're in a comedy movie and then their songs are funny and their videos are funny, but then there's stuff in there about, you know, going to college. There's stuff in there. There's all. There's all kinds of. Of topics in there, which. On the previous albums, the previous material, if you go back and look at that, you find copies of that, it's less so. It's kind of more frat house and, you know, it just gets a little bit more childish the older you go.

Chris55:11 Yeah.

Neil55:12 But by the. I don't know, by the time you got here, I think this stands up as a really solid album.

Chris55:17 Yeah.

Neil55:18 Songwriting's great, I think, you know, but it's bouncy and energetic.

Chris55:21 Yeah.

Neil55:23 But it's not all, like, just frivolous nonsense. I think it's a pretty cool record.

Chris55:27 Yeah.

Neil55:28 Yeah. We've never, ever, like, had people come in, like. I don't know, like, just in the past three months now. Now, like, you get mobbed.

Chris55:36 It's.

Neil55:36 I mean, I don't know. It's weird. Like, kids coming up and freaking and crying and going. I just go, God, I feel so stupid. I mean, it's super rad. It's super flattering, but it's never really been at this point. And now. Now it's getting really weird. All the small things true care truth brings I'll take one lift your ride Best trip always I know you'll be at my show Watching, waiting, commiserating say it ain't So I will not go Turn the lights off Carry me on. Late night Come home Work sucks I know she left me Roses by the stairs Surprises let me know she cares say it ain't so I will not go Turn the lights off Carry me home.

Chris58:08 Stand still. I love playing that song live. I absolutely love it. It's such a fun song to play.

Neil58:31 Do you get away? Can. Can you still. Is this an era that you can get away with and people.

Chris58:35 People respond, oh, no, this is a banger. Is it like. This is. Like, this is up there. This is with your, you know, your teenage dirt bags and your teenage dirt bags sort of ones. This is right up there.

Neil58:45 Basket Case.

Chris58:47 Yeah.

Neil58:47 Everyone knows the words.

Chris58:48 Yeah.

Neil58:48 Basket Case.

Chris58:49 That's.

Neil58:49 That's. That's always good.

Chris58:50 Yeah. All those songs, they go. They always go down brilliantly.

Neil58:53 Is that. Is that. I think Basket Case might be played at every single wedding that's ever existed ever.

Chris58:59 It's actually in the. In the laws. It's in. It's in the bylaws of weddings. Thou must play Basket Case at thy wedding.

Neil59:07 Funnier.

Chris59:07 God said.

Neil59:10 God. What was I gonna. What was I gonna say? Oh, there. There are. There's like a collection of. Of. Of bands and songs that just work so well in. In that kind of environment, I think. I think it's the simplicity, though.

Chris59:27 Yeah.

Neil59:27 There's something about the. The simplicity of these songs that you just. You hear. You hear it. I mean, I remember first hearing Blink, and it was like one song.

Chris59:37 Yeah.

Neil59:37 One play.

Chris59:38 Yeah.

Neil59:38 And I knew. I knew that I was going to love that. And, you know, you bought the album and just, you know, absolutely smashed it. Same with. It would have been like, the same with things like Americana.

Chris59:54 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Neil59:56 And Smash and Dookie and all of that. It's just. It's like one. You hear either one song on the rail. Back back then, it was the radio. You'd hear the one song song and then you would just know that album was.

Chris1:00:06 Yeah, yeah.

Neil1:00:07 Was for you. Do you know? Do you know, it's funny. Like, there are not many albums do that to me these days. No. Where I kind of hear one song and I like it. And I'm old and jaded now, and I think I probably won't like the rest of it. And then you listen to it. You're like, you know, maybe it's right. The Pretty reckless.

Chris1:00:24 Yes.

Neil1:00:25 Who I love. I've got a new album out called Dear God.

Chris1:00:28 Yeah.

Neil1:00:28 I think it's the best album this year. I love it. Absolutely love It. Love that album. It's. I. It's just really cool. Taylor Momson, it's like she's such a voice. It's really kind of lyrically quite dark and quite edgy. And it's just the. The band are tight, the music's tight. There's no fluff. It's just. Yeah. Banging. But. But that's one of them where, like, I heard the. They released two. You know, they do. The people they released. Not singles anymore. Suppose they kind of released the track from the album before it gets released on and stuff. I heard a couple of tracks from it and I just knew. I just. I was like this. You know, you could just tell there's something. Something about it.

Chris1:01:12 Yeah.

Neil1:01:13 And then I listened to the rest of the album. Just hooked. Just absolutely got me hooked. And I was just like, yeah, this is. It's a banger.

Chris1:01:21 Yeah.

Neil1:01:22 Proper banging banger.

Chris1:01:23 Yeah. But.

Neil1:01:25 Yeah, not many albums do that these days.

Chris1:01:26 No.

Neil1:01:27 In the same way.

Chris1:01:28 No, no, they don't.

Neil1:01:29 I think you should get older.

Chris1:01:30 Yeah. But is it. Is it the thing where. Because you didn't have access to many albums and you made a decision to purchase an album or to, you know, even the idea of, like, getting a hold of an album was like a bit of effort, wasn't it? It wasn't as simple as clicking the. Then searching for the name of the band on the phone, then clicking the link or whatever. And I wonder whether you had to invest your time in that album.

Neil1:01:55 There were few. Yeah. You. It would have happened fewer times. Like, there were albums that happened probably. I'm thinking like within like a decade. Like probably 95 to 2005. A lot of it for me would have been Kerrang Radio.

Chris1:02:12 Yeah.

Neil1:02:14 And. Yeah. And it would have been like zipping in and out of work.

Chris1:02:17 Yeah.

Neil1:02:18 Do you know what I mean? And then you would just hear something. I remember first hearing Stone Sour like that and. And. And just abs. Like. I think it was the same day. I think I'd like. I'd gone in, gone into work or gone home from work. Heard like one track and I was just like, I need. I need that.

Chris1:02:35 That's an interesting one because I used to teach. I used to teach the kids the guitar, you know, about around this time.

Neil1:02:41 Yeah.

Chris1:02:41 When all this stuff was happening. So I'd like. I'd learn. Learn the guitar and I'd be. I'd be. I was going off to uni and all that sort of stuff.

Neil1:02:47 Yeah.

Chris1:02:48 And then, you know, the evenings, week and weekends would be teaching guitar Right. To. To, you know, know, effectively, like, I don't know, school age children, really, people, you know, people like that. And it was before I got into teaching properly, but that was sort of the start of it. And they all learned, like, I. I learned those songs and heard about those songs through those young people.

Neil1:03:11 Oh. Because they, that was.

Chris1:03:14 They were into America.

Neil1:03:15 Yeah.

Chris1:03:15 They wanted to learn American Idiot. They wanted to learn Stone Tower.

Neil1:03:17 They want to learn.

Chris1:03:18 Yeah, of course they wanted to. You know, and it's interesting because I probably wouldn't have picked up on it otherwise.

Neil1:03:25 Yeah, that makes sense.

Chris1:03:27 And I'll tell you what, you know, some of those kids were. They got really good, you know, they got really good.

Neil1:03:33 Players are like that. Really annoying. I've been. I've been doing Lego, so I've wanted for years. They do a really big Porsche.

Chris1:03:42 Yeah.

Neil1:03:42 Lego set, like, costs hundreds and hundreds of pounds and it was my birthday in June and I really wanted it, but I can't bring myself to spend like 300 quid on Lego. And I spotted the AliExpress do the same set.

Chris1:03:56 Yeah.

Neil1:03:56 Like 40 quid. Hey. And I'm like, I'm gonna do that. Like, worst case.

Chris1:04:01 Yeah.

Neil1:04:01 Is there all time I lose my 40 quid. Right. So I thought, I'm doing it. So anyway, it arrives. It's full size. It's great. Really, really good. But obviously it's really. It's like 3,000 pieces.

Chris1:04:13 Yes.

Neil1:04:14 And I've realized that I can't. My eyes aren't very good and so I'm having to look like. My youngest is 11 and he's. I'm having to, like, kind of. Well, he's doing it.

Chris1:04:25 Yeah.

Neil1:04:26 I'm having to consider. Look, if you like, I'll give you, like, I'll give you a biscuit if you. If you do, like, up the next 20.

Chris1:04:34 Pack of biscuits. If you.

Neil1:04:35 Yeah, yeah.

Chris1:04:36 Amazing.

Neil1:04:37 Do you know what I mean?

Chris1:04:38 That's incredible. Yeah.

Neil1:04:40 I just feel really old. You know the other thing we did today, we ran to. We were off piste again a little bit. I mean, today we were. Lizzie did a half marathon at Sherwood Pines.

Chris1:04:51 Yeah.

Neil1:04:51 So it's really cool event, but it was like 30 degrees. It was too warm. I say warm, it means hot, blazing sun. Really, really hot. Me and Barney went off to do Go Ape.

Chris1:05:02 Yeah.

Neil1:05:02 If you've done that before. Yeah, I've not done that before. I experienced many things. Things that. It was quite good fun, but I experienced many things that I did not anticipate. One is the rope slide. Things With a harness.

Chris1:05:17 Yeah.

Neil1:05:18 That like. Like seems to grab you. Gentleman area.

Chris1:05:22 Yeah.

Neil1:05:23 And then, I mean, you can't do anything about it because you've just like, launched yourself off a thing. And then the. What it does is it, like. It, like, like shrinks around you.

Chris1:05:32 Yeah.

Neil1:05:33 Genitals.

Chris1:05:34 Yes.

Neil1:05:35 While you're sliding down the metal rope thing. Didn't enjoy that. Yeah, a great deal. And then when you land like you. You, like you. You land on your. On your. Basically. And then you kind of almost roll over yourself. It's very, very ungentlemanly.

Chris1:05:50 Yeah.

Neil1:05:51 So that. That was like. Barney loved it. I was not such a big fan of that. That was a bit bizarre. And then the other thing was you have this. You have this, like, metal thing, like a hook with wheels on that you. You always have on this metal rope, which is there to stop you dying if you fall off, stops you dying, which is good. And I liked that a lot. And then. But, like, it. It's got like these kind of grooves in it. And as you go through, like, because you're walking along these. These platforms are going around trees and stuff, there was a bit where I had to go on my hands and knees and crawl along this tunnel.

Chris1:06:35 Yeah.

Neil1:06:35 And then I had to go and take my, like, my hook and guide it around this. This thing. And it was very precise. Like, it was. It had these grooves and I had to kind of lift up to a certain angle.

Chris1:06:48 Yeah.

Neil1:06:49 So imagine I'm 52 years old. I'm on my hands and knees. I'm like 30 meters up in the trees. My knees hurt, my back hurts. And I can't see very clearly because I've not got my glasses on and I'm trying to wiggle the thing to get out of the. The thing. I might literally stop. And then eventually Barnaby, who's 11, came back and rescued me. I didn't like that very much either.

Chris1:07:15 Do you ever do the thing where you're in the middle of one of those sort of things? God, I'm done.

Neil1:07:19 Yeah.

Chris1:07:19 Just turn me off.

Neil1:07:20 Yeah. I didn't. I didn't like. It wasn't. I didn't like any of it. I didn't mind it. It was all right. We had a good laugh. It's definitely worth doing if you've got kids. It a. It's a well. Well cool thing to do. It's really a good laugh.

Chris1:07:31 See, I went ice skating.

Neil1:07:32 Oh, God. No, just.

Chris1:07:35 Just because I. I think it was. Nancy was just starting to go into ice skating.

Neil1:07:38 Yeah.

Chris1:07:39 And. And like. Yeah, did it. Did lessons and, and got into it and all that sort of stuff.

Neil1:07:44 Yeah.

Chris1:07:45 When she was a bit younger.

Neil1:07:46 Yeah.

Chris1:07:46 And. And they had like a Saturday morning, you know, just pay a quid and she went to practice with a coach or whatever. And I just went around and you just pay, you know, whatever your money is and you like have a morning session. I managed two laps.

Neil1:07:59 Did you like cling onto the outside? I did for a bit. Yeah. I did a little. That one.

Chris1:08:02 And then, and then, you know, because I used to be quite good at it because I go like in my 20s, 20s and 30s. And. And I'd be all right at it.

Neil1:08:09 Yeah.

Chris1:08:10 You know, I'd have like a bit of stamina or whatever that is. And then I went this time and I was halfway around going, I, you know, if someone just like finished me now, I'd be fine. Like, this is the worst, this is the worst thing I've ever experienced. My ankles hurt.

Neil1:08:24 Yeah.

Chris1:08:26 You fall over, you fall over, you fall over.

Neil1:08:28 You've got cold hands. Yeah. And bruises.

Chris1:08:31 Yeah. And, and, but, but you, but you, you like when you were younger.

Neil1:08:35 Yeah.

Chris1:08:35 Falling over is fine.

Neil1:08:36 Do you know, why does it stop.

Chris1:08:37 Why does that stop being fine?

Neil1:08:39 So do you know I hate about ice skating?

Chris1:08:40 Yeah.

Neil1:08:41 And it's not the ice skating itself, it's the other people that do it. Because there's always at least two or three of them.

Chris1:08:48 Yeah.

Neil1:08:49 And the gap between you what, like wobbling about. Do you know what I mean? In like they. And they just. And you just think I, you know, you just. I hate you. I hate you, despise you. I hope that you crash and you know, you wish bad things on them and while you're sitting there like clinging to the thing or like I watched we. We did the Silverstone lights earlier in the year, which was really good. I really enjoyed it. Was really good laugh. Right. We're really good. We did it as part of Christmas. I think it was a good laugh. In December you get to drive around the Silverstone circuit. But what they also do is a big ice skating rink.

Chris1:09:27 Yeah.

Neil1:09:27 And my kids are like, we should do ice skating.

Chris1:09:29 Yeah.

Neil1:09:30 I'm not really. So we end up doing ice skating.

Chris1:09:32 Right.

Neil1:09:32 Even though I'm not really sure about it. I pretended I was like, I can't do it because I've got bad knees and bad ankles.

Chris1:09:39 Yeah.

Neil1:09:40 So I had a cup of tea and watched and that. I liked that a lot.

Chris1:09:44 Yeah.

Neil1:09:44 Yeah. Yeah. My favorite bit was a middle aged man man.

Chris1:09:48 Yeah.

Neil1:09:48 Bit like you Or I. Yeah. And he's there clinging onto the outside.

Chris1:09:52 Yeah.

Neil1:09:53 Doing his thing. And then eventually he's like, you could see him getting a bit more confident so he starts to, to kind of, you know, launch himself off and he's doing, he's doing the whole, you know, waving his arms around a lot, trying to not fall over.

Chris1:10:07 Yeah.

Neil1:10:07 And he gets like halfway down the, it's like a, it's like a, an oval. Right. So it's kind of halfway down one of the, the back straights. And I can see the panic is not. Yeah, he's not, you know, he's definitely not got it. He's starting to wobble a little bit.

Chris1:10:23 Yeah. He's thinking about what he's doing and

Neil1:10:25 he looks over to the side and he sees a small child about 4 year old with one of those push along. It was like a penguin, whatever it was. And he's going there and he's. And you can see he's going to go. And he can't get to the side. So he basically pushes the four year old out of the way to get that penguin and saves himself and then, and, but then like you know, stumbles a little bit. So then they're both up to the four year olds now on, on their. And the man's on his. And then the parents of the four year old are now there as well. And I just, I just, I just, you know, you're like what was going through your mind like any of this just been the kid and any of this process. Did you think yeah, I, you know, 50 year old ice skating is going to be great and then secondly you realize you can't ice skate. I know I'm going to launch myself down the middle and then you know what I'm going to do. It's going to push this small child out of the way. Yeah. Mad.

Chris1:11:27 But I do, I remember going like I reckon we're in our mid-20s to late 20s, maybe even early 30s and it was fine.

Neil1:11:34 I'm going roller roller world.

Chris1:11:37 Yeah.

Neil1:11:37 Yeah. I didn't like that either. It was funny because we went ice skating. My mate Matt, he was dead good at it. So we went ice skating and he would like, he was one of those like you know, ice skating wankers.

Chris1:11:50 Right?

Neil1:11:50 Yeah. Just shoot off around, do the wizzy wyszy wizzy. And we were like clinging to the side for dear life anyway. And I was like, I didn't like it very much. It was too cold and didn't like it. Said what you would like is Rollerblading.

Chris1:12:02 Yeah.

Neil1:12:03 Because it's warm.

Chris1:12:04 Yeah.

Neil1:12:04 And you'll like that.

Chris1:12:05 Yeah.

Neil1:12:07 And I thought, well, okay, so we did rollerblading. And what they don't like. You know when you fall over when you're ice skating, you slide.

Chris1:12:15 Yeah.

Neil1:12:15 Like, it's painful because you land on your ass and you slide.

Chris1:12:19 Yeah.

Neil1:12:19 When we did rollerblading.

Chris1:12:20 Yeah.

Neil1:12:21 When you fall over.

Chris1:12:22 Yeah.

Neil1:12:22 You stop dead.

Chris1:12:23 Yeah.

Neil1:12:24 It's like a rubber floor.

Chris1:12:25 Yeah.

Neil1:12:25 And it was the most unpleasant experience. Like you. When you're ice skating, you land on your ass and it hurts your ass.

Chris1:12:32 Yeah.

Neil1:12:33 When. When I fell over when I was rollerblading. Hurt my ass and like, literally every other piece of my body because the whole. The whole body just shakes while you're like. As you. Because you stop dead.

Chris1:12:44 Yeah.

Neil1:12:44 So I didn't like either of those.

Chris1:12:45 Yeah. It disrupted the entire chassis.

Neil1:12:48 Did. Yeah. Extremely unpleasant. Extremely unpleasant. I don't understand why anybody likes it. It's awful. And it was a. Why do they always do in the dark?

Chris1:12:59 Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Neil1:13:00 Both of them are in the dark.

Chris1:13:01 Yeah.

Neil1:13:02 Stupid. Absolutely stupid. I don't. Shall we talk about what's next?

Chris1:13:08 Yeah. Well, yeah. But.

Neil1:13:11 Yeah. Oh, go on.

Chris1:13:12 Because we did this before. We didn't do facts. Oh. And then we had. And then we came back last week where we didn't do facts last week. So we should probably do facts first, then play a song and then talk about what's next. Facts interview.

Neil1:13:23 Yeah.

Chris1:13:23 That I'm going to drop in after the next song.

Neil1:13:25 Yeah.

Chris1:13:26 Leads into our choice.

Neil1:13:27 Okay. So when. When should I do facts?

Chris1:13:30 Yeah. I think facts is now.

Neil1:13:31 Now facts. Well, let's. Let's talk about some things. Does Blink182 have a capital B or a lowercase B?

Chris1:13:39 It's all lowercase.

Neil1:13:40 All lowercase B started with the first album's capital B.

Chris1:13:42 Is it?

Neil1:13:43 Interestingly, this album cover, there are three versions of it. One version of it has got the Red Cross on.

Chris1:13:51 Oh, yes.

Neil1:13:51 The young ladies in trouble, didn't they? I was gonna call the young ladies Helmet. No, it's not helmet. It's the hat. Yeah, that's the right. It's a hat.

Chris1:13:59 The nurse hat.

Neil1:13:59 Nurse hat. And it had the Red Cross symbol on it. And it had Blink 182 with capital B. Yeah. And the Red Cross wrote to them and said that it was a. A recognized symbol across the world, which means you can get help.

Chris1:14:17 Yeah.

Neil1:14:18 So it can be used. Anyone can use it if you're providing humanitarian made.

Chris1:14:22 Yeah.

Neil1:14:23 And they said that you're not providing that. Yeah. So you should remove it. So they had to remove that. And then they also dropped the uppercase B and went with lowercase B. The album itself was produced by Jerry Flynn. 12 tracks, 35 minutes. Which.

Chris1:14:50 That's good. Yeah. That's about your. That's right for you, isn't it?

Neil1:14:53 It's pretty good. Yeah. I quite like that. Estimated sales? A guess. Gone.

Chris1:14:57 Guess how many millions?

Neil1:15:00 Fifteen. Millions, yeah.

Chris1:15:01 Wow.

Neil1:15:01 15 millions of records. Which is a lot, I think, for. For. For, you know, I guess what would have been like at the time they would have viewed this as like a joke.

Chris1:15:12 Yeah.

Neil1:15:12 Album. You know. And then. And then obviously the kids really attached themselves to it. Three singles, what's My Age Again, all the Small Things and Adam song.

Chris1:15:22 Yeah.

Neil1:15:23 It's worth. If you've not watched the videos for what's My Age Again? And all the Small Things, it's worth going on to YouTube and having a look. Or you can go on to our blog on Riffology co. Because I always link the, the, the. The single. If I can find a good shot of the video, I'll. I'll. I'll add it to that to there. Um. Um. Do you know what was in the American singles chart when this album was released?

Chris1:15:50 So would have been the year of like. Well, thinking about all of the references on the, on the video would have been Britney Spears.

Neil1:15:57 Britney Spears, baby. One more time. Yeah. Backstream Boys. B S. Yeah.

Chris1:16:01 Bat syn.

Neil1:16:03 What's bat syn? Back Street Boys Cross with MSync and Ricky Martin.

Chris1:16:08 What's Msync? Oh my. I've lost it.

Neil1:16:09 You've gone Nice Sync.

Chris1:16:11 NSYNC and.

Neil1:16:13 Yeah, yeah. N Dubs and Dubs.

Chris1:16:16 Yeah, yeah. Ricky Martin Living Livida Loco.

Neil1:16:18 Yeah. And then, but then, then there was stuff. Then you also had the New Mount stuff as well. You kind of had Limp Bizkit.

Chris1:16:25 Yeah.

Neil1:16:26 Kid Rock's Devil Without a Cause.

Chris1:16:28 Which I suppose. Which is why they probably get lunked in because you had the pop stuff and you had the guitar stuff. So that.

Neil1:16:32 That makes sense. But it's funny. They were. They were they almost at the point that obviously we talked about the fact that kind of pop punk existed back in the. In the mid-90s, but it wasn't massive at this point in time. And this kick started it again. I think they kind of absolutely kick started that. That, that whole, that whole thing which I think is. Yeah, I think is really interesting. I'm just scrolling down to get to my facts list. I've got too many Tables in my blog. I can't get down to the. Oh, there I go. So the glove on the album cover, the blue surgical glove exists because the album was nearly called turn your head and cough. And then they built the gag around that. Around that cover and then it was changed quite a lot of. I don't know whether the. And quite a few of the tracks. Names were changed record companies because the band are idiotic. The band. The band were just like juvenile and you know. And the record company changed a bunch of things on the album because they said people won't. They won't get that gag.

Chris1:17:45 Yeah. Yeah.

Neil1:17:46 And so they. They changed it a little bit. And it's interesting. I don't know whether the band at the time, the band disagreed with a lot of the stuff that happened on the album but. But it's funny you'd like you when you hear the interviews and then you don't hear them say that anymore. I think. No, I think the record company were probably on the. On the money with a bunch of this stuff.

Chris1:18:07 Well, 15 million sales is, you know.

Neil1:18:09 Yeah, it's pretty good in it.

Chris1:18:10 Yeah.

Neil1:18:12 Travis Barker reportedly tracked the bulk of the drum parts in around eight hours played live. No headphones, no click track.

Chris1:18:20 He is Michelle Machine. It's incredible. He's a machine.

Neil1:18:22 It's just absolutely incredible.

Chris1:18:24 Yeah.

Neil1:18:24 Playing the drums is quite a physical thing, isn't it? It's like, you know, it's just. It's just mad. The Travis Barker as well. Again the. In the blog we talk about this but they. In the lineup previously, the band found themselves without a drummer.

Chris1:18:43 Yeah.

Neil1:18:44 And the support act, Travis was playing in the support.

Chris1:18:48 Oh yeah.

Neil1:18:49 And then. And. And then so they kind of said hey, can you do the drum? And then they gave him a tape.

Chris1:18:54 Yes.

Neil1:18:55 And. And he said he learned it. Yeah, he learned. He learned it as long as it took the tape to play.

Chris1:18:59 Yeah.

Neil1:18:59 And then. And then kind of. Yeah, off he went. Which is quite cool. The intro to what's my age Again came from Hoppus misplaying Green Days. J A R on guitar. And the mistake. They prefer their light. And then worked that into the what's mage again which is quite cool. And the keyboards are played by Roger Joseph Manning Judy Jr. Of the Pop band Jellyfish.

Chris1:19:26 Right.

Neil1:19:27 Which is. Is curious. I think it brought with it some grown upness.

Chris1:19:33 I heard the synth on the way out of that. What's my Age?

Neil1:19:35 Yeah, it's more of a grown up grown up musician. The song Mutt is the oldest song on this Album. It carries a writing credit for the former drummer Scott Rayner and existed in an earlier form recorded for the 1998 film the Show. I think that was also in American Pie.

Chris1:19:59 Yeah.

Neil1:20:04 Oh, and in the. Oh, it's another thing as well that I, I, I, I found when I was doing this, the, the, in the American Pie credits.

Chris1:20:12 They spelled the name wrong.

Neil1:20:13 Yeah. And it's hardcore. Yeah, that's it.

Chris1:20:15 Yeah.

Neil1:20:16 But, but it's, it's. Yeah.

Chris1:20:21 So B, A R, K, O, R. Yeah.

Neil1:20:23 So Travis Barker to extrem as Scott Rayner. So the American Pie credits misattributed Mutt both to a misspelled Travis Barker and to Ekstrom, a Scott Rayner. Yeah. According to Barker's memoir, the title song, the title Adam song came from a sketch on the comedy series Mr. Show about a band whose song urges a fan to kill himself. Flash flipped to. Flipped into something sincere. So that, that was something that they. Yeah, they kind of liked the idea but then wanted it to be more positive.

Chris1:20:56 Yeah.

Neil1:20:57 Yeah. So they, they kind of went from that, which I think is really, really cool. Also, we need to talk about the album cover and I need to find the notes on it because there's some things I need to talk about. So, so Janine Lynn Lind Mulder, she was an adult film actress. So she snaps on the blue glove and, and, and goes to, to do all that. She was kind of on the, on the COVID She got out of the adult film industry not long after this. Do you know what she went to be?

Chris1:21:36 No.

Neil1:21:36 She went to be a junior school teacher.

Chris1:21:38 Really?

Neil1:21:38 Yeah, I quite like that.

Chris1:21:40 Yeah.

Neil1:21:40 I think that's, I don't know, I just think it's very, I think that's, I think that's very cool. I quite like, quite like the idea of parents evening and the. You, you know, you know what dads are like. Dads are awful.

Chris1:21:53 They turn up. Yeah. Seen you before.

Neil1:21:56 Yeah. Yeah.

Chris1:21:56 Yeah.

Neil1:21:57 Do I recognize you? Oh, good. Yeah. No, I quite like that. I think that's quite good. Fun. I think that's it for facts. There was all, there's all. There's a bunch of here that I kind of wanted to talk about, but I think that is it for facts. For Blink 182. Enemy of the State.

Chris1:22:17 Very good.

Neil1:22:17 I like this record a lot. It's really good. Do you know what it reminded me of with this album, though? At the point that I had this. This would have lived in my car.

Chris1:22:26 Yes.

Neil1:22:26 I don't have any physical copies of it. Yeah, it's funny. Like the album. So, you know the. The ones I've still got and got loads of copies off with the 80s stuff.

Chris1:22:35 Yeah.

Neil1:22:36 Because I didn't drive then, so they would have lifted my bedroom.

Chris1:22:40 Ah. So it went with the car when

Neil1:22:42 I was driving and stuff. The. So these would have been the kind of Thursday and Friday and Saturday night out stuff. So the CDs would have been like in and out of the car and people would have been. No, no, no, put Bon Jovi on. I mean, there's all that faffing about.

Chris1:22:56 Yeah.

Neil1:22:57 And so stuff would have been like in the wrong case. It would have been in the glove

Chris1:23:01 box and so, I don't know, disowned my friends.

Neil1:23:04 Would you have done that?

Chris1:23:06 I was very, very particular about things.

Neil1:23:07 Were you. You had your. You had your big black folder of.

Chris1:23:10 Yeah, no, but if like CD cases and game cases and all that sort of stuff. Yeah, I was very, very like, no, that doesn't.

Neil1:23:19 I didn't mind Alphabet sized and as long as it worked, yeah, I was fine. But what I found, a lot of them didn't work after that. So we went through probably about 10 years ago now, I kind of went through all of my CDs and stuff and anything that didn't play as big been binned.

Chris1:23:34 Yeah.

Neil1:23:35 And I have a funny feeling this was one that was one that didn't make. Didn't make it. So I don't have a physical copy of this. I don't think there were. There was re. Released this one. But I don't think they did the

Chris1:23:46 20th anniversary, didn't they?

Neil1:23:47 Yeah, I think. Yeah, they did, but I don't think. I'm just looking to see Guy. There was a table that I put in about reissues and that, but I don't think they redid it. But. And I think they went out on tour with it.

Chris1:24:05 Yeah.

Neil1:24:06 Where they. Where they were redoing the. Like they were playing Enemo, like end to end. I think, like it was quite popular. Def Leppard did it for. What did they do it with? What was their 87 record call? I've Lost the plot now. Anyway, they went off and did the way they just played and I think it got quite popular to go and do it like. Like a whole album. Album end to end. You know, Anthrax did this with among the Living.

Chris1:24:37 Yeah.

Neil1:24:38 And it was funny because they did it in a different order.

Chris1:24:41 Yeah.

Neil1:24:41 You know when they say we're going to go out on tour, the album for the anniversary yeah. My expectation is they're going to start at the beginning and we'll play all the way through.

Chris1:24:50 Yeah.

Neil1:24:51 And there was an interview with Anthrax, and I think a few of the other bands have done this, and they just said that. That, like, the album works great as an album.

Chris1:25:00 Yeah.

Neil1:25:00 But in the live show, there were bits of it where the energy level dropped.

Chris1:25:04 Yes. Yeah.

Neil1:25:05 And so we switched the order round so that. Because you said you kind of want you. You want the show to kick off strong and you have, like, a really big amount of energy at the beginning.

Chris1:25:14 Yeah.

Neil1:25:14 Then you need to let people recover a little bit, and then you finish on a. Like a. A strong set. And he said it was a little bit uneven. Like, you know, as Charlie was saying that you. You know, playing the album through from beginning to end, there were bits in there that just were a little bit.

Chris1:25:30 Yeah.

Neil1:25:30 You know, the. The energy level wasn't where we wanted it to be, so we changed the order. And I noticed that Def Leppard did the same. I wonder if might go and have a look on set list and see if Blink did the same for those. Yeah, it's quite cool. I like that kind of thing.

Chris1:25:43 Yeah.

Neil1:25:44 Playing something from it. Yeah.

Chris1:25:45 Yeah, yeah.

Neil1:25:46 Shall we do an interview and then think about.

Chris1:25:49 Yeah, do a tune into the end

Neil1:25:51 and then we'll think about what's next.

Chris1:25:53 The reveal.

Neil1:25:54 The reveal.

Chris1:25:55 Reveal.

Neil1:25:55 Let's do it. Let's take the boat out on the bay. Give your job just one day

Chris1:26:15 I

Neil1:26:15 wish it didn't have to be Be

Chris1:26:17 so bad

Neil1:26:19 it might be inappropriate because either way I bagged up oh, yeah I wish it didn't have to be

Chris1:26:27 so bad

Neil1:26:30 But I play in the fire to break the ice and I play with the nuclear device this is something I'll regret When you want what I can't get I wish it didn't have to be so bad. The Reedy theory's getting old everyone's getting left out in the cold I wish it didn't have to be so bad so we'll see with another guy who pretends not to hear you when you cry oh, yeah I wish it didn't have to be so bad

Chris1:27:18 But I

Neil1:27:19 plan with a fire Break the ice and I plan with a nuclear device Is there something I'll regret? What do I want what I can't get I wish it didn't have to be so bad Moving on, Moving on Moving on and on and on Moving on Moving on Moving on and on. But I'd play with fire to Break

Chris1:28:08 the ice

Neil1:28:10 and I'd play with a nuclear device Is there something I'll regret? We're doing what I can't get I wish it didn't have to be so bad I wish it didn't have to be Be so bad I wish it didn't have to be so bad I wish it didn't have to be so bad yeah, I. I love Fat Mike. I. I grew up on no. No Effects. I was raised on no Effects, really. Like, I was raised on, like, Epitaph, honestly, like, rkl. No Effects. Rancid. Total chaos. I just. I loved all those groups. So, yeah, Fat Mike would always come to Blink Shows back in the day, and we've always remained friends, and we've even, like, talked about sobriety and just everything. And then, honestly, the last thing we ever talked about was music, oddly enough. And then he hit me one day. He's like, hey, would you play on my side project? And I said yes. And literally 24 hours later, we're in the studio recording, and there we go.

Chris1:29:14 No Effects. No Effects is the next one.

Neil1:29:16 No Effects.

Chris1:29:17 Pumpkin Drop, Blick.

Neil1:29:19 Yeah. Yeah, it's cool.

Chris1:29:21 The one that got me.

Neil1:29:22 Yeah.

Chris1:29:22 Heavy Petting Zoo. That was the one that really hooked me in. Yeah. There's some brilliant, brilliant songs on that.

Neil1:29:29 I. I remember it's Linoleum here.

Chris1:29:32 Yeah, this is the one.

Neil1:29:33 Yeah. Yeah, It's. It's such a cool record, this is.

Chris1:29:37 Yeah. But I heard the live version of Linoleum before. Studio version. Because I heard this live.

Neil1:29:43 I think I saw. Saw them. I'm pretty sure I saw them. I want to say leads.

Chris1:29:49 Yeah.

Neil1:29:52 I would have been like, 2004, 3 4, something like that, maybe a bit before. And everyone was going crazy for them. Do you know, it was about the same time that, like, Puddle of Mud were.

Chris1:30:05 Oh, really? I remember that.

Neil1:30:06 Big. And it was the first. I'll tell you the year it was. It was the first live performance from Guns N Roses.

Chris1:30:15 Right.

Neil1:30:16 Like in. In a decade or more.

Chris1:30:18 Yeah.

Neil1:30:19 Slipknot were headlining, I think. Or they. Or they were. Second headline, I think it was Slipknot and then Guns and Roses. So, yeah. Super bizarre lineup.

Chris1:30:30 Yeah.

Neil1:30:31 But as we walked in, no Effects were playing.

Chris1:30:38 Yeah.

Neil1:30:38 And so there was, like, a big. Things would kind of go in there, and. And that's the first time I saw them. Yeah. And. And again, it's kind of like you. It's funny with the live. With a real live live show like you, there's. You never quite sure whether the recording's going to match the experience that you. You know, you. You have in the live environment. And. And so. But it. But it was. It was. It, you know, it was great. They were fantastic. They're fantastic live and it was. It was really cool to. To see them baking hot. You know, one of those experiences like summer festival, like a million degrees. And it was just a good laugh and. And. But they were just the kind of band you needed.

Chris1:31:18 Yeah.

Neil1:31:18 Do you know what I mean? Around that time. So. Yeah. Looking forward to this one. It's going to be cool, I think.

Chris1:31:22 Yeah.

Neil1:31:22 There's such a lot of stuff we can do in this.

Chris1:31:25 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, there's a huge kind of worms open here.

Neil1:31:28 Yeah, there are. And I think it was reading.

Chris1:31:30 It was on the Riffology co. The. You know the blog site. It was reading that Scene one.

Neil1:31:34 Yeah.

Chris1:31:35 The. The scene blog for the pop punk that just made me go. Yeah, we've got. There's so much to cover.

Neil1:31:39 There's like this band around this time for me that really hit me like this is one of them. Simp was another.

Chris1:31:45 Yeah.

Neil1:31:48 Yeah. Some 41 like the simple Plan. Their track Perfect was like. I. That was epic. Yeah. There's a lot of stuff around this time I think that is. Yeah. I don't know. Up for grab. So I. I think we'll continue through the summer.

Chris1:32:05 Yeah.

Neil1:32:05 Pop punking for a bit and then. Yeah, we'll see. We'll keep going until we get bored. I love. There's a bunch of stuff that comes up next year which I'm really excited about too. There's like a bunch of stuff. So we've got the Donners, which I've talked about wanting to do for ages and ages and ages. And also I think Distillers we can do next year as well.

Chris1:32:28 Yeah.

Neil1:32:28 So as we get into 2002.

Chris1:32:30 Yeah.

Neil1:32:31 Because it's for those that are new to the show. We. We. The only rule we've got is it the album has to be 25 years old and we have to like it. Which means it's got to be grunge rock, metal, punk, whatever. But. But yeah. So 25 years brings in 2002, which is. There's quite a few. Actually there's quite a few that we. That we. We just kind of catch.

Chris1:32:55 Yeah.

Neil1:32:56 At that point. But yeah. Like I think the Distiller Sing Sing Death House.

Chris1:33:01 Yeah.

Neil1:33:02 Was there. And I think Spend the Night from the Donners, both albums, which I absolutely love. Phenomenal records those two are. Um. But that's it. So we done done nailed it.

Chris1:33:13 Nailed it.

Neil1:33:14 And we didn't really go off piece much at all. It was really.

Chris1:33:17 I think that was the worst one we've ever done.

Neil1:33:18 We stayed. Was it?

Chris1:33:20 Yeah, that was.

Neil1:33:21 That feels like a challenge.

Chris1:33:26 Yeah, that was. That was award winning off piece.

Neil1:33:28 That was award winning off piece. That's. That's. Yeah, it's good.

Chris1:33:31 That was so far off piece it nearly went back on again. That's how far off pieced it was.

Neil1:33:34 Yeah. Off piece squared. Sorry, sorry.

RIFF092 - blink 182 - Enema of the State

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When Pop Punk Perfection Gets Recorded Without a Click Track

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