Show Notes
When Anthrax grew up but kept the chops
Joey Belladonna's last stand before a 19-year hiatus delivered Anthrax at their most mature—darker lyrics tackling social justice and mortality, mid-tempo grooves that hit harder than pure speed, and production that finally matched the Big Four's best. From the ticking-clock intro of "Time" to the Joe Jackson cover that somehow makes perfect sense, Persistence of Time proved the New York thrashers could evolve without losing their edge. Neil wears his commitment on his sleeve (literally—bought the t-shirt twice after wearing it until the arms fell off), while the episode careens from Charlie Benante's unusual drummer-writes-guitar-riffs setup to a Fruit Pastilles crisis at Sainsbury's and the glorious teenage logic of punching a VCR because it ate your dad's Queen video.
Recorded December '89–February '90 at A&M and Conway Studios in Hollywood, mixed by Steve Thompson and Michael Barbiero at Electric Lady, and mastered by Bob Ludwig, this is Anthrax stepping up sonically while keeping Scott Ian's deliberate down-picking and Charlie's uber-precise drumming front and center. It's the bridge between State of Euphoria's happy major chords and Sound of White Noise's John Bush darkness—a 58:40 thrash record where 6-7 minute tracks don't feel long and social commentary cuts through without lectures.
What You'll Hear
- Big Four context reimagined: Why Anthrax never quite fit the thrash mold—too light-hearted for the scene, but this album shifts the tone completely
- Production evolution dissected: Mark Dodson produced State of Euphoria too, but this sounds radically different—Thompson/Barbiero's mix at Hendrix's Electric Lady Studios, Bob Ludwig's master
- Unique songwriting dynamic: Charlie Benante (the drummer) writes guitar riffs, Scott Ian adds rhythm and lyrics, Joey sings—an unusual creative setup that shaped the vocal range requirements
- Joey's final chapter (part one): His operatic high-register vocals peak here before the 1992 split, then rusty 2011 return on Worship Music, and triumphant For All Kings Barrowlands recording
- Live passion undiminished: 40th anniversary tour emotions, the curtain-drop video tribute from Metallica/Exodus/Judas Priest, Frank Bello as photographer's dream orangutan, Rock City perfection at 2000 capacity
- Tangential gold unlimited: The Barry Milner Bridge heritage campaign (TripAdvisor reviews, Google Maps registration, calls for band name/Joe Jackson statue/flag), VCR programming nightmares (Grundig clicky-clacky vs Hitachi touch buttons, Tommy Vance rock show at 3am, dad switching off the Cinderella recording), and the Queen Greatest Flicks tape-chewing VCR-punching incident that seemed "perfectly reasonable" at the time
Featured Tracks
Singles "In My World" (Neil's favorite—mid-tempo deliberate Scott Ian down-picking showcase) and "Got the Time" (Joe Jackson cover with Swaddlincote bass intro connection) demonstrate the album's range, while "Keep It in the Family" delivers hidden-gem epic riffage with powerful social justice lyrics and the H8Red wordplay that took Neil 10 years to realize meant "hatred" (maths student didn't do language). The 58:40 runtime feels effortless despite tracks running 6-7 minutes—dynamics move from Blood to Gridlock without flab, embracing mid-tempo heft that Metallica's Black Album, Slayer's Seasons, and Megadeth's Rust in Peace were all exploring simultaneously. First instrumental "Intro to Reality" features Twilight Zone dialogue, while Japanese edition bonus "Protestants Survive" (Discharge cover) includes Charlie Benante's backwards message quiz—removed from 2007 reprints making the original "uber rare."
Tangential Gold
- Barry Milner Bridge heritage crusade: Moira, Swaddlincote, South Derbyshire heritage site gets TripAdvisor reviews from locals, registered on Google Maps, campaign calling for band name/Joe Jackson statue/flag hanging—UK compatriot context absolutely brilliant
- "Taping is killing the music industry": 1980s LP back warning stickers pre-MP3 Napster, VHS FBI warnings about recording programs, the full nightmare of VCR programming with top-loader indecipherable buttons vs better Japanese touch-button models
- Tommy Vance rock show trauma: 2-3am recordings, trying to program the VCR, waking to find dad switched it off, the dead-excited Cinderella new album recording lost forever, no one else had Cinderella so really wanted it
- The Queen video punch: Greatest Flicks burgundy double VHS set, learning "Bohemian Rhapsody" solo with pause/rewind, tape overheated and chewed, teenager logic—punched the VCR because it did bad thing, smashed video player to bits, then had to explain to dad the "perfectly reasonable" response, not only replace dad's favorite Queen video but replace whole video recorder
- CD wallet confessions: 200+ backup CDs, "Lars Ulrich would disapprove," the piracy crime era before streaming killed the music industry differently
Why This Matters
This is the transitional Anthrax moment—Joey Belladonna's peak before 19 years away, the production step-up that proved they belonged sonically with the Big Four's best, the darker mature lyrical shift from State of Euphoria's happiness to introspective social commentary. It's also the album that reveals Anthrax's unusual creative engine (drummer writes guitar!), captures their live passion that persists four decades later, and sits perfectly between the happy thrash past and John Bush's darker future. Released August 21, 1990, it hit #24 on Billboard 200, went gold, got Grammy-nominated, toured for 18 months, spawned a Married… with Children crossover episode, and influenced the mid-tempo evolution across thrash before grunge and nu-metal arrived. The tangential moments—from heritage site campaigns to VCR teenage destruction—remind us that music fandom lives in the obsessive details and ridiculous stories, not just the riffs.
Perfect for
Joey Belladonna loyalists preparing for the Sound of White Noise comparison; Big Four completists who respect Anthrax's refusal to fit the mold; production nerds fascinated by Electric Lady Studios and the Thompson/Barbiero/Ludwig dream team; songwriting students intrigued by drummers writing guitar riffs; live-music devotees who believe 2000-capacity venues beat stadiums; anyone who's ever punched inanimate objects in teenage fury and later questioned the logic; VCR programming survivors; heritage campaign enthusiasts; people who realize "H8Red" wordplay a decade late; and fans who measure album commitment in t-shirts worn until structural failure.
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They're gonna put me in jail, man I'm already in jail Don't they know that my life just won't excel Rippology Hello The thing is, tonight, it's Sunday night, which is the night before we're actually going to unleash this on the world It's kind of gone a bit off-kilter, hasn't it? Yeah The night started without the obligatory Coke Zero and Red and Black Fruit Pastel I mean, it was an absolute disaster We span into the studio, realised that we needed Coke Zero and Fruit Pastels We took a left-hand turn into the garage, where we normally go and get these things from And it was only coned off with a big van delivering fuel I don't need that, I've got an electric car, don't care But we couldn't get in, and so we had to go and do I'll say that, I've got a petrol car as well now Yeah I keep forgetting that So we had to go to Sainsbury's, and we've talked about the disaster that is Sainsbury's in the past We don't sell Red and Black Fruit Pastels Do you think there's not enough people listening to this yet to make that change, is there? I don't know Mr. Sainsbury, if you're listening So what we ended up getting was normal Fruit Pastels We have, yeah Because we wanted a more intense flavour, we actually went for the Fizzy Sour Skittles as well They're called Crazy Sours Skittles, and they're in like an illuminous green packet But now because of that, because they're so intense They are intense The initial Fruit Pastels, the green packet of Fruit Pastels, are actually quite bland in comparison That's true, although when we first came in, you popped the top off, stuck five in your face And then proceeded to cough your insides out, didn't you? I thought it was great I was like, I'll just not have five of those, I'll make have one This is Riffology Hello Hello, we are a weekly podcast You're Neil I'm Neil I'm Chris Yes, you're Chris We do an album We do We dive in, do a deep dive on an album We find out all about it There is a blog at riffology.co Yep Which is massive now Massive Loads of people looking at it It is, lots of people Loads of people listening to the podcast Yeah, we get caught people comment on the blog Tell me what I've got wrong Why do people do that? Not that you shouldn't do that Obviously, if someone's made a mistake, then you should tell them that But no one ever goes, this is brilliant I love this We've had a few We've probably had, I don't know Probably out of, let's say we've had like 200 comments on blog articles Yeah I reckon 10 have been, wow Total blast from the past I love this album Yeah Totally reminded me of it Yeah, thank you so much Absolutely awesome Thank you That's it It made me go back and re-listen to it again You know, it reminded me of my youth and stuff like that Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah Yeah And you think, oh, that's brilliant All of the others I think you'll find Yeah It was February the 2nd, not February the 1st It's just all that Actually, it's that voice, isn't it? It is, yeah And it's nice Because I think, you know, they obviously educate me Yeah, yeah, yeah And I like it But it's Yeah, but you're not going to listen, are you? I do change, I do edit them Oh, do you actually? I edit them and then go Actually, I wouldn't do it out of principle I do, I edit them and then I kind of go I think you're fine No, I don't do that I don't But thank you, everybody, for the blog That's good And socials are really good People are really, really digging the socials We do competitions and guessing album covers and stuff Yeah On the socials, which has been a lot of fun I quite like those They're quite good fun Yeah, it's been good We've been enjoying ourselves, really, lately This week, we're doing The Anthrax, Persistence of Time Which is one of my most favourite albums Yeah, yeah, which changes on a weekly basis Yeah Which is also why you can't have a tattoo It is why I can't have a tattoo It is, that's true Some of my most favourite albums I remember the weight of them Yeah Is by how long I wore the t-shirt for Does that make sense? Right, yeah, yeah So there was this one, which I had the t-shirt for I had two t-shirts of this one Yeah And the cover, you know, the print Went a bit flaky Yeah, yeah So I had to get another one I think it was I think it might have been a You know, not a real one Yeah But the front thing, it came off And then I got a proper one And there was State of Euphoria before it I had that I loved that t-shirt Yeah The album we did We did Soulfly last week And then before that we did Beneath the Remains I had a t-shirt of that And I wore that until the arms fell off So I wore it until it went grey Then I dyed it black again Yeah Then I wore it until the arms fell off And then I bought another one Yeah, I mean that's commitment, isn't it? I did, I love that one But this, I But then they look a bit better when they're a bit worn, I think Yeah I like it, I like it with Soulfade Yeah, vintage Vintage But this was like Road worn 1990 I was 16 And I didn't have a great deal of cash, to be fair No And so that's what you did Yeah, yeah, yeah You know, you would, you know, you would dye things and do whatever you could do And it wasn't like you had a lot of, you know, I might have had like four or five like t-shirts So there was a lot of rotation, you know, you would wear them Yeah, yeah, yeah But yeah, this was a, this was a big one for me Yeah, yeah Because of time I liked the change in Anthrax at this point Yeah, because there were that lo-fi-y kind of thrash kind of Yeah Thing Because it was in 84 there They were quite Yeah, mid-80s They were They were a way in, weren't they, when they did this one Yeah, so they were like power metal, I guess, when they started Then they kind of went into the bit thrashy And then, like the big breakout was Among the Living That, that was massive That got, like, that was all over MTV And this other one was before this, the one before this No, State of Euphoria was Oh, State of Euphoria State of Euphoria was before this And then Among the Living was, was before that Before that, okay Everyone, like, you're, you're, you're elders, elders You know, they're kind of elders, thrash elders Among the Living, that was that, they liked that one Fire happened The fire happened during that record Yeah We lost a lot of our equipment Maybe that's why that record is dark But actually it's dark because we came off the State of Euphoria Which was very happy We were, I mean, in our career We were just the happiest we've ever been So I guess it was normal to be Have this, you know, State of Euphoria And then some people just wanted to take that away from us Gave us, you know, this backlash and stuff And I think Persistence of Time was the result Persistence of Time, to me, has more in common with Sound of White Noise Than it does, certainly, in State of Euphoria Like, it would have made more sense as a follow-up to Among the Living But if you listen to Musically, if you listen to the music on Persistence of Time It's definitely closer to Sound of White Noise than it is to the record that came before it Than Euphoria And so you could kind of see where we were going You know, we had made it We had done something that, who gets to do that? You know, like by that point, we broke We were a band that was selling out multiple nights in places You know, we were worth seven, eight thousand tickets And we had made it We were selling gold albums The whole thing Everything you dream about When you're trying to make a band happen And we were doing it And then at the same time as all that's going on Is there's this whole ugly side of the business too Whether it's the business part of it Or, you know, or just then trying to keep a band together When everyone's focuses really kind of start to change When all of a sudden success becomes a part of the equation That's something you've never had to deal with before And then as well as Not so much here in the States at the time But certainly overseas, they had a way of building bands up And then tearing them right back down That was kind of like the MO back in the 80s With a lot of bands And they tried hard with us It didn't work But they tried And, but, you know, I just think We just had more to deal with Than we'd ever had to deal with before You know, mentally And all of that went into that record It's just, everything changed You know, you start a band And it's fun Okay, and then at some point Business Takes a hold of you And then you have pressure To follow up your last record With a better record And did they make the right record? Well, I don't think they did But they think they made the right record You know, it's that type of thing It really fucks with your head Thank God, you know, we had A&R back then To maybe talk about what you can do And, you know, but for the most part We were very, I don't know It was, this is a close group And we know what we're doing Let us do it this way Type of thing, you know I think so much of that record holds up For me, of that era of Anthrax From Fistful through Persistence That's my second favourite album Among and then Persistence And we did some really good shows It was like good tours on that That whole run, you know It was good Because aren't Anthrax one of the big four? They are They are They're very divisive I would say Right The, A, the big four is quite divisive Yeah And that people disagree with who should be in it So you always end up with like Oh, Anthrax shouldn't have been in there It should have been Testament Should have been Exodus Right, right, right Should have been Overkill Whatever But it was done at the time That they did it on the four Bands with the The thrash bands Yeah That sold the most So that was Slayer Yeah, it was Slayer Anthrax Anthrax Megadeth And Metallica Oh, okay, right Yeah, yeah And it's interesting because I think Anthrax never really fitted particularly well If you look at the others They Anthrax were always quite Light-hearted, I would say Yeah, yeah So Euphoria particularly Was quite a happy Quite a fun album It was, you know It was upbeat I would say It was kind of a bit You certainly get that from the From the interviews Like they're up for a good time Aren't they? Particularly the early The early start It was I mean there were major chords Yeah For a thrash record Do you know what I mean? You're not used to It's all down-tuned And, you know That was pretty upbeat It had like Antisocial on it It was a trust cover Yeah, yeah, yeah Super upbeat So poppy almost Yeah, yeah, yeah In chord structure It was a lovely, lovely track that they did But they were on fire at that point But the world reacted fairly negatively to it Off the back of Among the Living Which, again, was quite a fun album But a little bit darker You know, it was a bit more thrashy in place State of Euphoria wasn't And a lot of people kind of reacted a little bit You know This isn't what I want in my thrash albums Yeah, yeah, yeah You know, I kind of want I want something different I'm not sure I like this So the world was a bit split And I think Anthrax generally split opinion Right, right, right People either love them Yeah Or hate them They're one of those bands That, you know People either absolutely adore them And I think a lot of it is Like the production Is radically different To the other thrash albums Persistence of Time is written You know, in 1989 and 1990 And like Among the Living Was written back in 1985 and 1986 And there's just too many different things happening Around me or in my life So it's really I can't compare one to the other Because it's different So the only I mean the only Besides the songs And the songwriting The one thing I can compare Is production From album to album And by far This is the best sounding record We've ever had And a lot of that Is the vocals Like Joey Belladonna's vocals It's kind of They've all got good names Haven't they In this band They're all New York Aren't they Everyone in New York Is like uber cool Aren't they And this lot But this lot This lot were interesting Because almost the rest of it Was happening on the other coast The bay area And so they Yeah these guys There were a handful of these guys Like Overkill I'm trying to think who else Was down in this This neck of the woods But Overkill Oh Prong were in New York as well And these guys There was a few others Yeah Also there was There was a Bay area contingent in San Francisco Yeah And a New York contingent as well Okay Doing similar Doing similar sort of stuff Yeah they were But they had different tone They were very different So you got the New York tone And you got the San Fran tone A little bit Yeah There's a little bit of that I think And the lyrical constructs as well Like the songs And what they sang about Was a little bit different You know They were You can identify That like Kind of Sonic difference I think Yeah yeah It's full on like East West Coast Isn't it Yeah Thinking about it It's totally the other side It's Yeah I think so And I think This album So Persistence of Time For me Was Like The band went Darker Like lyrically Went darker And it kind of went A little bit more introspective And it was a bit more grown up Like Matured If that makes sense There was a lot of like Social justice aspects Wasn't there Not quite necessarily political But Certainly The social justice And the challenging of You know Oppressive Kind of thought Yeah It's a lot of stuff about Racism and hatred Like H8 I mean there is some really Strong language on the record We don't say fuck Basically We don't say the word fuck But There's other words In some of the songs About racism We have a line where We say Don't even try to tell me What you think is right When to you blacks Are niggers And Jews are kikes And I mean That's really strong I mean The message behind us Is really strong Do you know what a funny story is Is that I remember There's a track called H8 Red Yeah Hatred Yeah Yeah Yeah Took me probably about 10 years To realise that H8 Red Was hatred Yeah Yeah So that's That's how intelligent I was I was a maths student I didn't do language But They Yeah It was a It was a shift In tone Yeah Yeah But there was some Just There were just some Absolute bangers The way This album And was Joey Belladonna Then You understood He was Had he always been The vocalist No Because they went They had a couple Of different vocalists Didn't they Yeah So they started off With a guy called Neil Turbin Yeah I think he did He did the first record And then And then Joey Belladonna Came in Now Joey Belladonna's Vocals Always remind me Of kind of like British heavy metal Yeah Yeah Kind of Iron Maiden Like D.O. Do you know what I mean You know that kind of Like high Power metal Kind of stuff Yeah just huge range Yeah Which was Almost operatic Yeah Which when you think About Dave Mustaine Yeah Or James Hetfield I mean Yeah Not really the same Same kettle of fish No Not a lot of range Going on there No And so Yeah I mean even I guess Slayer Yeah Yeah So So Tom Had quite a high register Tom was quite high But it was more kind of You know It was more screamed Wasn't it Yeah Whereas Joey was He's got a bang And even now He's got a banging voice It was very Very Because is he back With him now Yes Yeah So he came back in 2011 For worship music I think Some of you will tell me I've got that wrong But I think he came back This was the last record That he did With him on So there's a very specific reason We're covering this Yes Record Because next week We're giving it away now Yeah I want to do Sound of White Noise Yeah Which is John Bush Yes Off of Armoured Saint There's another band That I absolutely adore I love Armoured Saint And I love John Bush Now the John Bush record Has got a lot of Abuse It's more songy isn't it It's a bit Yeah they went a bit I wouldn't say grungy But it's a bit Kind of Darker A bit more like Heavy rock Yes Do you know what I mean That kind of stuff And I really liked it I thought they I thought they were Phenomenal And Yeah They They even re-recorded Some of the tracks Off this record With John Bush Right Yeah yeah yeah Late Like Not that long ago Actually I think it was for One of the anniversaries But Yeah It had a radical change Yeah yeah yeah And they seem to do The anthrax do this They kind of just Like reinvent themselves And switch and change Yes yeah And yeah I mean It catches people off Guard a little bit Yeah yeah yeah You know But yeah I mean This one is The production's a step up So Persistence of time The production is Definitely a step up Yeah yeah yeah Where euphoria was It's thicker It's bigger It's got that It's got what I would Consider that American heavy metal sound Yes Whereas I'm not sure State of euphoria did State of euphoria was in that It was kind of a little bit thin Like thrashy You know that thrashy thin sound Yeah yeah yeah It got almost punky sound Yeah Whereas this came out With a big thick slab of You know In my world Was the Yeah yeah yeah The big single From this one And got the time as well Which was Joe Jackson Yes Who lives here Yes Where we're recording this Swaddling coat Yeah this is where Joe Jackson was from So we're allowed to talk About that Which was nice We should have a statue Of Joe Jackson Yeah we should We could hang a flag on him For those that are not aware Our compatriots across the UK Are hanging flags on things And we've genuinely got no idea What's going on But it's really nice to see the flags It's really nice to see the flags Yeah most are upside down But I don't think it matters Does it? No The intent's clear isn't it Yeah yeah Fly a flag And I think if we had a Joe Jackson statue We should have a flag on him Because he was awesome Yeah definitely And that track was mega Yeah Love the bass intro Yeah yeah yeah yeah So but anyway yeah This one Yeah lovely production I think Mark Dodson Did the Did the production on this one Executive producers John Zazula And Marsha Zazula I always thought this was recorded At Electric Lady Studios It was wasn't it Do you know Electric Lady Studios The Hendrix one Hendrix yeah Hendrix wanted a studio When they did the Electric Lady sessions Cost a bloody fortune apparently In studio time So he just went Oh just get me one Yeah so they They turned this old New York nightclub Into a studio Yeah And apparently it was just Abject chaos They brought a proper acoustician In to do the design work Yeah Did the work And it flooded And it was absolute chaos Oh gosh Eventually it was built Hendrix recorded there for 10 weeks And then died Yeah yeah yeah So hardly really used it Yeah Over the two years Since the last album came out I guess maybe we really felt Time on our back You know Because all of a sudden It's 1990 And you know It was just seven years ago You know When this band was just starting It doesn't seem that long ago No way And so time is flying We did our last album here too And we just liked the place Close to home The studio being Electric Lady In Greenwich Village Which Hendrix built for himself I guess back in the late 60s To do his records here And for me it was more I wanted to come here Because I just know Through the 70s Kiss used to do a lot Of their records here So it was just a place You would always see Walking up and down 8th street And you'd always see This little doorway And you just want to kind of You know Well I want to go in there Because Kiss might be in there Right now So But it's just great And plus it's the top of the line The control room here The equipment Everything's there for you When you need it The console they have in here Is the only one in North America So This Focusrite console I know it's kind of boring To talk about the equipment But That was one thing That made us come back I always thought this was Recorded there And it wasn't It wasn't But it was mixed there It was mixed there Yeah Yeah And it was It was It was recorded At A&M Studios And Conway Studios So in Hollywood Oh wow Okay And then And then was Mixed at Electric Lady Yeah Yeah I'm not sure what Yeah I don't know I suppose the studio Doesn't have that much Of an impact on the No but I think It would have been About the person Working at Electric Lady Then Who did the mixing Because it wasn't So it was mixed By Steve Thompson And Michael Barbario Yeah And then it was Mastered by Bob Ludwig Yeah Well Mark still Engineered the album But Thompson and Barbario mixed it And that made all The difference in the world Because it's We've never had a problem Recording an album It's always been a problem With mixing it And getting the final mix That we want And Thompson and Barbario They did the right job Real good I mean they're big names In the world of For a metal band As well At that time I mean I know Anthrax are like A big band But they were doing Like U2 And stuff like that Do you know what I mean This would have been Peanuts to those guys Yeah But yeah It was Yeah And I remember This one coming through And just being Blown away by it It was one of those You're right from the beginning Where the kind of Clock ticks And then the guitar tone Comes in You've got like Scott Ian's rhythm Work on this I think is Just phenomenal Absolutely And then As it progresses There are bits There are bits That are fast The bits that are always Stand out to me There were the kind Of mid-tempo Bits You know Those kind of Yeah It's like they keep it In the family And in my world Yeah The one for me Was intro to reality It's like they're not a big deal of shit It's like they're not a big deal of shit It's 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A little bit, yeah Yeah, they were much, I guess, more open to embrace slower stuff on this record So if this is 1990 Yeah Is that Black Album '91? Black Album '91, yeah Had Metallica already veered in that direction? Because all I'm thinking is They would have been off the back of 'Unjustice' Yeah, right, okay So it would have been quite similar I'm just thinking of like Would Anthrax have been seen as the ones that kind of retained You know, as everyone else went more kind of bigger and sluggier and rounder in their sound Did Anthrax sort of retain the more kind of hardcore, you know, thrash guys? I don't know Mind you saying that, no? Because you said the next, yeah, the next album was a different feel Well, what was around this time would have been like Rust In Peace Yeah, yeah, yeah Seasons from Slayer Both of those two were pretty mid-tempo They were, I mean, they were kind of verging on like heavy rock Still had that thrashy turn to it So everyone's taking that direction I think so, yeah Painkiller from Judas Priest was this year as well Cowboys from Hell Really? Okay, yeah And you had like But then there was other big stuff like Like Death was getting really big at this point in time Yes, yeah, yeah Like Left Hand Path and Day Aside Yeah, so I don't know Like some bands were going faster Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah But the big four thrash Yeah Certainly Metallica went slower Megadeth went slower Yeah, I just, that's what I mean It's like how did, I wonder who set that trend off, you know? Yeah, I don't know It's an interesting one, isn't it? It definitely, like in the mid 80s, it was all about speed Yes, yeah You know, and all of those bands were about playing as fast as they could do And like famously Megadeth Like Dave Mustaine wanted to play faster than Metallica Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah And it was all about how fast you could play the guitar Yeah Slayer were, you know, just absolutely going as fast as they possibly could do Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Anthrax never did that They were, they were kind of in that territory Yes But they never ever were like extremely, you know, they never did like extreme fast stuff Mm But yeah, like everybody was kind of, like in that group was slowing down here Yeah, yeah But then you had other bands that were, that were not, they were going faster Right, yeah, yeah, yeah And I'm thinking a lot of Exodus as well, like Exodus and Overkill And they were still fast, you know, they were, they were I could, yeah, I've just got that kind of narrative in my mind where it's like You know, as these other bands slow down and become massive kind of thing Yeah Who's kind of holding the torch? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Who's holding the torch for the thrashlands? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah I think it probably would have been like Exodus and stuff Yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah They were just doing Exodus album Yeah Bonded by blood or something Yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah They were dead good, they, they, they were just fast Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah And it was interesting because like famously Anthrax, they talked about, I remember listening to an interview and they talked, someone was saying why do you not have a ballad on your albums? Right, yeah, because everyone else has a ballad And they were like, that'd be wimping out, you know, that'd be, that'd be wimping out But actually on this one, that intro into reality Yeah, it is kind of Kind of got that sort of thing to it, yeah Yeah, I mean it's not Well I remember how even James Hetfield felt about Nothing Else Matters Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah You know, because he was quite, he was sort of like, oh I don't know, it's a bit cheesy and it's like, it's not that, that's not Metallica, it's like, but it ended up being a huge massive hit for him, so I think that was Bob Rock, wasn't it? Was it? Yeah, I don't think He talked him into it Yeah, although Lars takes credit for it, I suspect it was, I think from the interviews it was Bob, you know, saying He said, yeah, you should definitely record that as Metallica, I think Yeah, have the confidence and just do it Yeah And it was the first time that James had sung Yeah, yeah You know, yeah I mean, James famously not Yeah, just wasn't into it, was he? Not being confident about his voice Yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah You know, I think up to, like, Master of Puppets was referring to himself as the temporary singer, you know, and which, and we've talked about this before, but, you know, he is the sound of Metallica Yeah, totally, yeah, yeah, totally And to imagine that the sound of Metallica didn't think that he, I just, it's, I don't know, mind bending really, but, yeah, the other thing I want to talk about with this album Um, and it is one of my favourite albums Yeah The songs were all too long I looked at that earlier I was listening Because what happened was I was listening through And I was looking at the songs And it was like, it wasn't very far through the record For saying how much music I'd been listening to Yeah And then I still looked at the track time and sort of went, how come you like this? It's weird, isn't it? Yeah Because you've got six, seven minute songs Yeah, they are Yeah It's mad Like, keep it in the family, seven minutes Yeah In my world, six and a half Which is, of course, almost a meatloaf intro But it's, yeah, they're all really long Yeah, yeah, yeah I don't know, they don't feel long No To me No, no, no, no I suppose that's when you know he's done right though, isn't it? When the time disappears The persistence of time, the persistence of track times That's what this is Yeah Do you know the other thing I like about this album Is that when you hear Charlie Benante and Scott Ian talk about Yeah The persistence of time Yeah And what it means They both give different answers Oh, right, okay, wow Wow So, like, Scott Ian And again, I think this is really cool This is, it's worth, it's worth digging into this a little bit Because, like, famously, Charlie often names the albums Yes, yeah Before there's a song Yeah Or He's just got the concept Yeah Yeah, he's just Or something jumps out of the universe And he's like, that's what it's called Yeah, yeah, yeah He's just got this idea A bit like, you know Megadeth named Rust in Peace Yeah Off a bumper sticker Yeah, yeah, yeah Dave Mustaine saw a bumper sticker and it said "May all your nuclear weapons rust in peace" Yeah And that's where the And he got the idea Yeah, yeah, yeah This concept rust in peace And then built the album around that Like, persistence of time Charlie came up with the idea Yeah, Charlie came up with the title And then I wrote the song "Time" And basically saying it If something doesn't happen right away Or if you don't have, like, some kind of overnight success No matter what you do in life It doesn't mean it will never happen And if you work hard and you get out there and do something With your life and make something of yourself Then you'll be successful And with just telling people I mean, the basic message behind it is just to get off your ass That's the basic message That takes it down to the bottom line And I think both Charlie and Scott had different perspectives Yes Although the album kind of came together Well, I think Charlie talked about it in terms of mortality Yeah, yeah, yeah And you know, you're not here for a very long time Yes, yeah So, you know, whereas Scott Ian was very much like You know, I mean, it's still kind of time related But it's about, you know, getting up off your ass and doing something Yeah, yeah, yeah It's about, you know, making the most of the time you've got So, I guess similar Yes But it's interesting that Charlie usually talks about it in terms of mortality Yeah, yeah And, you know, death is coming and, you know, it's coming to everybody Timey Avenger Yeah As it says in our famous, world famous swaddling cloak clock Nearly said someone else there Oh yeah, it does, doesn't it? Yes Yeah Is it world famous, our clock? It's definitely, I know about it Do you know the most famous thing near us that are still, I love to pieces And that's the Barry Milner Bridge Oh, I don't know what that is So Which bridge is that? It's out near Moira Yeah So it's not actually in Swaddling Co Yeah It's maybe three miles, four miles away from where we are right now Yeah The one that goes near Rawdon Pit Yeah Yeah Why is that called the Barry Milner? I love Barry Milner on it And then, and then somebody, somebody scrubbed it out Yeah The council probably Yeah And then somebody wrote Barry Milner is thick And then the locals have all got together Yeah And all registered it on Google Oh, as the Barry Milner Bridge As an attraction called Barry Milner Bridge And they've all left reviews of it And now it's on No, you know what's going to happen now And now it's on TripAdvisor So We've set up a thing They're going to be all these guys coming over from the States just to visit the Barry Milner Bridge And you look at it, and you look at all the reviews of it And it's like, oh, Barry Milner Bridge is the best thing ever Yeah It's phenomenal People talk about having picnics there And it's literally a road And it's an old railway bridge And it's just, there's nothing There's literally nothing there It's just a road Near Cyrus Wood, yeah Yeah, yeah, it's awful It's a grey, battleship grey bridge That used to have Barry Milner Yeah, I love Barry Milner on it Yeah, and then there's this lovely thing going on Who's Barry Milner? Yes, yeah, yeah And I like that Yeah, totally It made me want to do You know, when I first discovered it I thought we could do a podcast about that Yeah We could find who Barry Milner is Well, we've done it now, haven't we? Yeah And now it's out in the world now If you know who Barry Milner is Yeah, yeah, get in touch Then write it and tell us Yeah, yeah, yeah Or just make up a story That would be even better In fact, do you know what? Make up a Barry Milner story If you're American and you're looking for a name for your band Yeah Call it Barry Milner That would be the coolest thing ever That would be the coolest thing ever Yeah, yeah, yeah And nobody would like People are going, why? Would it be called Barry Milner? Or would it be Barry Milner and they? You know what I mean? Like when the people are there? Barry Milner and the bridge Yeah Barry Milner's bridge I just think it would be brilliant Yeah No one would imagine like a massive Like a Nirvana Yeah The massive Yeah Or like the Foo Fighters Yeah And called Barry Milner And the press going, why are you called Barry Milner? Oh, it's a bridge in Swaddling Coat And then like a thousand people going to the bridge Yep Oh, that's great In the future when the aliens get to the podcasts It'll actually be a heritage site It would be an important landmark of human civilization We need to go and pay homage to the bridge We should take a bit I'm going to try and take a bit On our socials I'm going to try and find a picture of the bridge Yeah, and put it on Yeah, because it's brilliant I used to live there I used to drive under that every day And I loved that I love Barry Milner Yeah So is Moira still South Derbyshire Or is that North of Leicestershire? Oh, it's really complicated Half of it is in Leicestershire And half of it's in Derbyshire Is that a line? Yeah I once had the wheels stolen off my car It's that kind of place And when I rang the police Yeah They said Do you live above or below the post office? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha So what would happen? Sorry, sorry And I'm like Dude, I've had the wheels stolen off my car I don't want to send an envelope And it's like No Well, like If you're on this side That's us If you're on this side That's somebody else Somebody else But what would happen Right? What would happen Is it all the four wheels? Yeah What happened then? If your car was outside the post office office oh the front wheels which the back wheels yeah we're in northwest you'd have to ring both oh mate i had to break into that house you know did you yeah i had um um i really this is good this is gonna i mean where are we now i don't know we're gonna be like i have no idea where we are 40 50 minutes in so we're only just going off piece that's good for us bear with me this would have been in 2001 or two rather pdas were a thing remember pdas like they're kind of um palm pilots and i had i was doing a bunch of stuff at work about these hey um like the xdas they were kind of metal things and i had like two or three of them and we were working on a bunch of projects i worked with them so i had them at home anyway uh uh got them at home went out for the weekend did the things that you did uh then and then monday morning came to uh go to work and pick them i couldn't find them and then i thought oh well that's where i'm not you know they're always in the same place i couldn't find them and then as i started to look around i noticed other stuff was missing oh god like like um but no like like weird stuff like yeah yeah i had a an old toshiba laptop which was old in 2000 you know it was like this would have been a relic yeah and that was missing as well and i thought wow that's that's like dead weird um and then i was looking around other bits are missing anyway like a day later i was outside in the garden and my neighbor was like did you hear about all the break-ins oh wow going yeah no no talking about and then and then yeah like all that whole row of all got houses yeah and i was and i was oh and the thing that was really funny is the police came on the saturday and asked me and i i was generally generally like no sorry no i didn't know yeah yeah sorry mate no no i've tried to go back and ring lots loads of stuff yeah and then i mean just imagine how sus it sounds yeah actually mate yeah did you have anything stolen no no and then i actually i've lost like three three pbas so i'm sure they thought i was like i thought i thought it was me yeah yeah yeah definitely yeah yeah i was glad i moved actually yeah yeah yeah that was a bit weird so where you were above or below the post office i can't remember it said sddc on the bins oh yeah that's south derbyshire district council yeah you know one of the funniest things i ever did was i had we had a camera club called south derbyshire camera club and the number of people that we were sdcc yeah and the number of people that got confused between sd dc dc and sdcc so we would get messages you get angry ones about potholes yeah about bins being emptied and stuff we're the camera club we do pictures of swans and that you'll be wanting barry milner bridge yeah you'll be wanting you'll be wanting the council they do bins and weird people are weird aren't they yeah yeah absolutely i like weird people i wanted to talk about oh go on um the strange you alluded to it then when you spoke about charlie benante yeah and him kind of doing the album title and song title that sort of thing so the way they write the songs is a bit weird isn't it in comparison to how you normally write the songs we were a lot fresher going in just to write it after we got home in july of 89 and uh we took off for three months so it really gave us a chance to um to just be away from the band for the first time in years we hadn't had a break in like four years so uh it was something that was really important to us because it's really first vacation we ever took away from anthrax so when we started writing in october uh it just made things go a lot smoother everybody was like really uh into being there and looking forward to uh to writing and uh just made things work a lot easier for us after after taking a break i interviewed charlie benante uh at the rock city yeah yeah um which was bizarre expected i've got a detour a little bit yeah yeah so is this when you're sorry i'll let you tell the story i know this story i got an invite to to go and interview uh anthrax i was like yeah i'm so excited so i headed up it was february january or february free absolutely freezing cold snowing like you know that kind of snow it's not settling on the ground but it's snowing it's really cold and anyway i'd been to like starbucks and had a cup of tea had three wheeze three or four wheeze and i thought i can't i can't sit in here all afternoon so i kind of went up to rock city thinking they might let me in now yeah yeah yeah so i banged on the door i said look i i need i'm going to do to interview charlie in an hour can i come in yeah and then oh yeah just because it's you because i was i was a regular like pretty much part of the furniture yeah yeah yeah and they were like yeah in you come so they let me in and then they said oh look um charlie's out the back uh you know just sit here yeah yeah and it was in their kitchen area right yeah yeah and so i'm sitting down there and then scott ian came in yeah it's just me and scott in there yeah and scott uh sits down to have his dinner he's having like chicken and potatoes yeah and he looks at me and he goes what are you here for yeah i'll just talk to charlie about the album and that and he says oh so have you anything to eat no she said you want some chicken so i sat there yeah just just got you know i mean not in silence but it was like it was do you know what i mean it's just the most it was literally kind of good chat and then yeah it's great and then anyway i went to uh so were you still mid dinner yeah charlie i was kind of yeah well i know i finished my dinner and then charlie comes down and we're going we're going and had you had dinner before you went no also it was all right then it was perfect so you went like double dipping with your dinner no no no no it was great um i didn't even know that like rock city fed yeah yeah yes but they do yeah and anyway i say um either there were anthraxes i didn't even think about that yeah anyway i'll go for the interview and i was chatting to to charlie about how the songwriting had changed oh no you what you must have eaten the singer's dinner then do you enjoy this dinner sounds great um but so so i was talking to him about that kind of going like like over the years like going back to like neil turban days and back in the you know back in the early days and i wasn't really involved in the writing that much then um you know kind of in the mid day it is around among the living time you know that i i kind of became the de facto writer so i would go and write the songs and but he said that they they would be like these these demos and he said they it wasn't like uh back then it wasn't like a song necessarily but i had this tape with me i used to carry this four track round and he said no right on the guitar so i i would get an idea i'd wake up or you know you'd be on the bus or whatever and i get this idea and i just put my headphones on and just strum the riff into the into the tape and then when we'd get together again when it was album time frame it would be like just playing these clips of songs together and then we'd pull it together as a band and as we've gone on that's turned into me now bringing almost complete songs like to the the the riff and the song structure roughly is kind of together um probably no lyrics um and then you know the rest of the band will put the other music around it um and he said then like scott it's normally like scott and i will then get together in new york and then scott will do some rhythmy parts you know and add some of the rest and kind of yeah yeah yeah judge it up a little bit but then typically scott will write most of the lyrics yeah so and he's not the singer so he won't be delivering the songs so so charlie benante's the drummer he writes the guitar and writes the songs yeah and then the rhythm guitarist writes most of the lyrics most of the lyrics yeah yeah and that bizarre yeah and it was interesting whatever works in it however you get to the song is what works but it's an unusual setup and then he said what will happen he said scott and i will kind of bash the songs around and we'll get them to the point where it's now a song right so it's it's roughly what you might you you might consider like a demo and then we'll play that to the band and then the song becomes the song when everybody goes ah okay you know i'm going to add this you know what i mean and then and then the rest of the band will it will change and especially when like joey at that point when joey would come in to sing it yeah yeah often with you know saying often we'll change the structure of the song yeah uh just for flow and maybe for breathing or or when you actually hear someone sing it doesn't sound quite the way you yeah imagined it would do so you might change it a little and yeah exactly but then what was interesting and i the question i'd really got for him was how did it change between uh uh writing with joey and uh writing with john bush yeah yeah and he said like he said it was like like when it's a when it's a different range of vocal yeah it's a different range and he said um i was asking him the question like do you like when you're writing the song do you hear joey's voice and like did you and he said yeah he said i you know i he said as i'm writing the song so normally the riff will come to me first and then i'll think about how to turn that into a song yeah and but then he says as i'm doing that i'm hearing joey's voice so at that point when we were doing um persistence of time so don't write in those songs yeah i'm imagining yeah like joey's voice and the registers and how that how his voice will kind of run through it um and then uh you know and then when we when we started to work with john bush i had to rethink right to do that you know because those songs were not not that john bush couldn't sing them but he's a much lower register and it was a different tone and and those songs were like really different they kind of yeah you know i had a different texture to them and stuff so um but yeah he was saying that they you know had to kind of almost relearn how to write which is why those records those john bush records sounded so different they had a real a real significant change but yeah they're a really cool band i think in the way that like you say just the way that they've learned to create the music to work yeah they they were always a band as well i think and if they started to come out much more in euphoria and and this record where they first started to come through but these really big hooks so kind of big melodic um you know like super hooky yeah yeah uh tracks where you and choruses like proper yeah yeah proper singy choruses i would say you know and clever lyrics yeah guitar works excellent as well oh yeah it works excellent i mean you've got the you've got really strong riffs and it's quite simple but yeah but then but then when there's little licks and yeah lead bits that come in and that sort of stuff it's really tasty it's really really lovely i are oh anthrax live are a band that i've always been blown away by always we're just five normal guys and being on stage for us is the best place to be being in a band is playing live um it's just a lot of energy i mean i i couldn't imagine playing this music and not being the way i am on stage you know i couldn't just stand there it just wouldn't work i saw them on the 40th anniversary tour um and it was epic it was a memory of um it was anthrax wasn't it when with nancy on your shoulders at down yeah yeah yeah that was really cool went to um downloads it was one of the year we played i think so it was kind of like 2019 2019 yeah so nancy would have been what four or five maybe so yeah she was what she went wild she was like wow she was loving it she was loving life and she was on your shoulders giving it the horns and she was yeah yeah she was i had backache neck ache then you only wake up the next day and you're like oh my god what was that all about yeah she was mad she like everyone was just loving it yeah yeah everyone around it was a little celebrity she was a little she still is bless her but yeah that was really cool they're they're phenomenal live though like for me they like somewhere like rock city 2 000 people yeah yeah yeah and not that they're not a stadium band because i think they do they do i've seen them at stadiums as well on like um clash of the titans tour and things like that and and they um they supported slayer yeah on their final final not obviously their final tour but they're still touring so whatever that means but i saw them on that with um with slayer and again they they were just epic they're really good but for me they come alive where you've got um you know a relatively enclosed yes big enough that you've got a lot of people but yeah um yeah they they're just epic and a lot of that i think is down like charlie's drumming is just uber precise yes yeah and scott's guitar that kind of down picking and that do you know what i mean he's got this uh like really deliberate do you know what i mean it's not um yeah that's a great word for all of it it all sounds really deliberate it's not you know like some guitar like you listen to joe satriani plays like it's like liquid it's like yeah it's like he's pouring the music from the guitar somehow and it's like do you know what i mean it's there's not these step changes somehow yes yeah well as scott when scott's playing it's like big slabs of stuff you know what i mean it's kind of this there's a proper deliberate beginning and an end and it's really uh like uber controlled and it just live that to me and not that it's not on the record but live that just seems to like leap out at you and just sounds phenomenal um and some of those riffs as well on here um and this tracks on here as well that i think like keep it in the family yeah yeah yeah it's just such an epic riff yeah yeah um it's kind of i don't know it's kind of like a hidden gem i think yes on this record so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so So so so so so So so So So So So So So So So So So So So So So So So So To kill a man is that your fate? Your fate becomes a holy state. Why the hell do you hate? Other than the standpoints, other than the favorite. I am, we rebel. We're the truth and I won't keep it in the family. Live your life, take some help. Keep it in the family. The real world's outside your door. You can't keep it in the family. You got the longest way to fall. Keep it in the family. I'm the thing that you won't fear. I won't keep it in the family. I'm the truth that you won't fear. Keep it in the family. The real world's outside your door You can't keep it in the family You've got the lowest place to fall Keep it in the family Keep it in the family Keep it in the family Keep it in the family We've done some stuff on this album That we've never done before There's like three tracks on this album That we've never had anything like This song Keep it in the family There's no other anthrax song like it I think they're one of the few There aren't other bands doing this Metallica are still epic at the moment Yeah Megadeth too actually I think Dave's voice is I think he had throat cancer didn't he And struggles a little But you know they are Yeah anthrax for me are kind of Better now than they were Back in the 80s and 90s And Joey Ballard If anyone's not heard You kind of see Guns N' Roses now You see Motley Crue now And it's like a pay a limitation Of what you imagine they should be Like it should be really punchy And it just isn't But anthrax are Anthrax are just I don't know Larger than life I would say Yeah yeah yeah And you know Always look like they're having a blast as well Yeah Which after like 40 odd years It's difficult isn't it You imagine Doing this for 40 years Yeah yeah yeah I mean this record It's like 35 Yeah yeah Yeah 35 years Yeah 35 years last week Wow yeah And it's It's Yeah And they're still doing it And they're still hitting it hard And they're still Yeah yeah And they've not talked about it I'm sure they're in the studio For new record stuff I'm sure I'm sure they're kind of Getting ready to do new stuff But yeah I don't know But everybody's calling it quits Aren't they Yeah yeah yeah So Slayer Have kind of called it quits Megadeth have said Their last album Yeah This year So they're They're kind of saying Look this is This is it for us And just make you wonder How long They'll kind of keep it up But I think of all of that Big four Anthrax are the ones I'd expect to just Just carry on Yeah Just keep going Yeah yeah I think while this I think while people care What people are there I just kind of get the feeling They'll keep going In a way it's easy for us When we're writing now Just because we've done We had done four albums And we just kind of know quicker Whether or not we like something Whereas in the past Sometimes we would write songs And then three months later We wouldn't even like them anymore So we wouldn't even use them Whereas now It's more like an instant thing We could really tell right away Whether we like something or not And I think that's That just comes from You know from maturing And you know doing a lot of albums And basically just knowing What you want Did they have a break? Yeah there was a massive Well I'd say there was a massive But they did have a fairly big break It was during that period Where this kind of music Wasn't very fashionable No that sort of 2010s Sort of thing Yeah they put out some Yeah Yeah Yeah they did do definitely Yeah That new metal Yeah yeah Okay right Phase if you like So things got a bit bizarre They did They did the kind of John Bush record Which I thought were really great Then there was like a You know And then the next real one That was worship music I think It was a 2011 When that's when Joey Belladonna Yeah they brought them out there Kind of came back And yeah I think I saw them on that tour Yeah And to be fair They were pretty rusty on that tour They didn't That didn't feel That's probably the worst I'd ever seen them Yeah yeah yeah They were still really good actually But they Yeah You kind of got the feeling But they weren't that They didn't have that cohesive Kind of anthrax thing Yeah yeah It wasn't quite right Yeah And then I think the thing for me That moved the needle Was I saw them at the Barrowlands They recorded For All Kings There's a DVD that they did Recorded at the Barrowlands In Scotland Which I always It's epic that place I always think it's bizarre That people choose to record stuff there It's not like You know I mean it's a famous place But it's Yeah yeah yeah It always seems like an odd place But it It was really really cool actually Yeah And Yeah that That for me It was that tour That they It just felt like They were back You know And they were kind of like Yeah no this is Properly on form You know Loads of energy Yeah Yeah exactly as I've kind of Remembered them Classic anthrax Yeah and then I'd seen them A few times after that And it was always just Kind of on par I think the best The best I've seen them Was on the 40th anniversary tour Though Yeah yeah They were That was It was quite emotional Like at the beginning of that show They had a curtain That was down Which is not like It's not It's not their sort of thing Not a kind of a theatrical band But they had a curtain That was down And just as the kind of The background music stops They then play this video Yeah From the back of the stage On the curtain Nice And it's kind of people From other bands It's like people from Metallica Yes And from Exodus And all these people From Judas Priest Talking about Anthrax Yeah Talking about What it means to them And all the Aussie was on there And it was like Yeah it was properly The metal community Coming together To celebrate each other Yeah it was It was a bit It made me a bit emotional To be honest And then Music should be Yeah I think Phenomenal And then of course You see like As soon as then They start You've got 50 year old men Who should know better With super tight trousers And white plimsolls And two tight t-shirts With grey hair Flying everywhere You know Crowd surfing to the front And it was epic It was It was It was one of the Best nights I think at Rock City I had in a long time And it was Yeah Absolutely epic But there was just There's something about The crowd And about the band Yeah That just works Really really well Yeah yeah yeah Shall we do some facts Yes Let me get my fact sheet I'm I'm Vaguely ready For my fact sheet So let me try And do my facts sheet Was released On August 21st 1990 And it's currently August the 30th Ah 2025 Yeah Which makes it Just over 35 years old Which sounds very Very old It was released On Megaforce And Island Records They did a Like a Compilation called The Island Years Which had a lot Of these tracks on there Which was pretty Pretty cool And it was nominated For a Grammy In 91 They toured this album Really hard Yeah And there were some Lovely bits on there So they did all kinds Of cool touring And You know Festivals And all kinds of stuff The thing that always Stands out to me Was they were on Married with Children So they were on They were on an episode Called My Dinner With Anthrax There's a link to it In our blog On Rufology.co If you do not Remember seeing it It was bonkers The kids are married With children Won Anthrax In a raffle Anthrax just turned up There They were abusive And did all that Because married with children I don't think you could Get away with it It's a little bit It's very funny But it's a bit It's not very PC Yeah And anyway They They ended up playing Which was Which was Yeah Pretty pretty cool It was recorded December 89 To February 1990 In A&M Studios And Conway Studios In Hollywood But mixed elsewhere It runs 58.40 That's a long album It's a long For a kind of Thresh album You've got a 60 minute Limit haven't you You've got a proper Any time of a 60 minute And it goes off At 60 minutes Can't pay attention Not any more than that Can't pay attention For more than 60 That's crazy Absolutely crazy Produced by Mark Dodson And Mark Dodson Did State of Euphoria As well Sound really different albums Yeah And we talk about Producers a lot on here And how they have Their tone And stuff But I mean Quite clearly A producer can Do different things And I think That was really evident One of the Thing I remember in the Interviews with this And it's in my Fact sheet as well They had a fire So they had a Recording space Like a rehearsal space And it sat on fire And all of their live Gids went like A hundred thousand dollars Worth Reputedly Of stuff just Disappeared Which was Really tough for them Really I remember hearing Interviews with the band At the time And they were pretty down And they were like Well it would That's your livelihood Isn't it That's like And it's And the thing is The thing you've got to Remember about a band If you're not in a band Is that they're very Close Knit Like bubbles If that makes any sense And it's you versus The world a little bit You know as a team And if something like That goes on That's going to be Pretty disruptive And pretty destructive To the ethos Of the whole thing But it's just like There are things That you connect to I mean it's I'm not particularly Materialistic And I know you're not But there are things That you attach There are things That I really like And they're not like Super expensive things They're not like Super aspirational things But there are things That I like I have Your PDAs in Moira In the cheaper laptop But there are things That I really Really like And I would be Really upset If they were not there And I would imagine In that space There was tons of stuff That the band Sentimental Yeah like The guitars From the first live shows And stuff that they recorded Albums with You know Anyway I can totally get To get that Singles from the album Got the time Which was I think the first one In my world Was the second And then Belly of the beast Yes I always thought It was a really Odd choice to do Got the time first It's not my I like it It's not my favourite From that And it was In my world That really hooked me On this one And I thought It was absolutely Mega The album The album itself Changed in tone So Previously There was a lot Of humour And comic book Stuff That they Kind of Connected to This one Wasn't It was a lot More mature Later on They would They would Go and And do Like mashups With rap bands And other Kind of stuff As well Yeah Which Yeah I think Yeah They were never Never shy to Experiment No This one So Persistence Of Time Was the last Album With Joey Belladonna Yeah Before they Went on To have John Bush Belladonna So they Did an EP In 91 After this Called Attack Of The Killer Bees And Joey Belladonna Is on Some of Those tracks But not all Of them Oh okay And the split Was pretty Acrimonious Apparently He Which is strange That they got it Back online then In those early 20 cents So yeah 92 He basically Left and came Back for Worship music In 2011 Yeah And From memory It's not I didn't put On my fact sheet But from memory This was to do With direction Joey wanted to do More thrashy stuff And the band Wanted to do Different Stuff The Sixth track On the album Intro to reality Beecher's dialogue From the Twilight Zone Oh it's the Twilight Zone Right right Called Death's Head Revisited Keep it in the Family and In My World And Belly of the Beast Were later Rerecorded with John Bush And Rob Caggiano Who was the New lead Guitarist After Dan Spitz And it was On an album Called The Greater Of Two Evils Which is quite A cool record Yeah I quite like that I'm not sure I'd call it an album There's lots of Like You know what I mean It wasn't like Lots of new stuff Yeah No Yeah But it's like Reworkings And Yeah Yeah It was quite cool I remember Listening to that And it was It was pretty Wicked Persistence of Time Highest position On the Billboard 200 So the US Chart was Number 24 Certified gold By the RIAA On January 17th 1991 They Really toured They rode this Album quite hard Yes So I think It had like A run time Of like A year and a half Where they were Really actively Promoting before They dropped back Into the studio And figured out What they were Going to do next Yeah Yeah Which yeah I thought was It's an Interesting one I think it's The first Instrumental Intro to reality I think it's The first Instrumental That the band Did I don't think They'd ever Done that before Has a track On there H8 Red Which obviously Is hatred Which we've Talked about That before Japanese edition Had bonus track Protestants survive Which was a Discharge cover Yeah It had a track Called discharge And then it had A backwards Message quiz Spoken by Charlie Benante Played in reverse Set a quiz Mentioned in the Japanese language Booklet removed From 2007 And all future Reprints of the Japanese CD So if you got That it's uber Rare and You should keep It and definitely Not sell it on Ebay There's a thing About Japanese Imports Doing different Stuff on it They always had Like super cool Stuff and it Was always the Japanese copy That you would Want as a fan Yeah totally I remember that Yeah you would Always be searching For the Japanese Versions In the band We've not talked About that So Joey Balladonna Lead vocals Dan Spitz Lead guitar I think lovely Lead guitar Work on this He also played Rhythm on Got the time Right okay On the recording Scott Ian Rhythm guitar Backing vocals Lead guitar On intro to reality Right that's him Is it okay Yeah he did lead On got the time Yeah okay So they did a Proper split on that one Frank Bellow Frank Bellow's got Awesome hair So shooting the band I would always go And make sure I'd spend time With Frank And shoot Because what he Will do is He's got really Really long hair And like bass Guitar players Are either really Boring or epic There's no middle Band And he's on the He's like a I don't know He's like an Orangutan He's a huge Monster of a man And he kind of Bounds around the Stage And his hair's Everywhere And he's just So much fun to Shoot Some of my Favourite shots Of Frank Bellow And Charlie Benante Drums lead guitar On intro to reality He did the Intro harmony On that one Which he did With Scott Which I think Is really really Cool And we've talked About the production I'm going to go Through it though So Mark Dodson Was producer He did the Track engineering Steve Thompson Michael Barbiero Did the mixing At Electric Lady Greg Goldman Brian Schubler Marnie Bryant And Ed Correngo Were assistant Engineers Bob Ludwig Did the mastering A master disc In New York John and Marsha Zazula Were executive Producers Don Brotigam Did the artwork And Warring Abbott Did the photography So super Cool bunch of People that were Part of that Anthrax tended To stick with A lot of the Same people As well So they Carried them Through And that's It for facts Good facts They were Good facts This is a good Album I've got this On CD Still My original CD Still works It's a bit Yellow I don't know Someone can Write in and Tell me Why do CDs Go yellow Some of my Some people You show Pictures of their CDs from back And they look Brilliant Mine don't Mine look like Some sort of Oxidised thing Is it something Mine look like They've spent time On a 16 year Old boy's Bedroom floor Which they Had See what you Need is a Wallet for Your CDs Oh I'm Looking for So as we Move into The future I think Next week We should Definitely go And do We should Talk about John Bush Yep Because Sound of White Noise Is massive It's epic Sounds really Cool I bet you've Never heard it Have you Sound of White Noise I think it's Really I tell a lie I have heard Bits of it Because we did It we've used It on Our previous Incarnation Oh yeah We would have Yeah there's No it would have We would have Yeah definitely Played it on The Doghouse Yeah Really really Cool Then after that We are going to Dive into your Wallet of dreams So Chris has Like a leatherette Plastic wallet Of 200 At least 200 At least 200 CDs I have to be Honest if the Police are listening They're mostly Copies Backups Backups Chris should be Arrested Lars Ulrich is Going to hunt you Down And like I don't know But he would Not like that No he wouldn't Like that at all He would be He would be Like Do you remember Someone sent me A link this week And I'd forgotten About this Pre-mp3s Yes They used to To put this To put this Thing on the Back of LPs And it said Taping is Killing the Music industry And it was It was me Taping LPs So you killed Everything I killed it Yeah But isn't it Interesting Is that that Piracy is a crime Is that like Yeah It's just like that Yeah And it would There's like A little I'll see if I Can find it And send it You later But it's a Little thing On the back Of vinyl Records Yeah And it said Taping is Killing the Music industry Wow And then they Used a Really similar Thing for The argument Against Napster And then MP3s And all of that Stuff Now Everything's bad The music industry Is just dead Isn't it But it's Interesting isn't it I mean that was Going back to The 80s Yes Yeah Mid 80s Probably Yeah isn't that Interesting Yeah it really is So I'd Totally forgotten About that But I'm Going to go I'll find it And send it To in a bit Because it's Quite a cool Yeah yeah yeah Cool thing I looked on Some of my LPs I don't think Any of them Have got it No Taping is Killing the Music industry Yeah There we go What about TV then What about VHS Same thing Yeah but What about What if you're Going out though Yeah to watch That FBI To watch That FBI thing Yeah What the FBI If I record This the FBI Are going to Come to my House What What's that All about Yeah but If you Let's say You're going Out Yeah And you want To watch Something Yeah You have to Tape it Yeah And then watch It later If you could Kids of today Don't know They don't know That you know When you were Trying to work The VCR You might VCRs might have Been a bit more Advanced when you When you were Because I'm I remember I remember the Top loader ones Do you And they were Indecipherable You had to You wanted to Record something You had to Press play Record and Pause In a particular Order And then you Had to program The thing With the remote On a cable Or you had to Go and press The buttons on There And it was Like It was Like going to Space You could have Programmed something To go to space More easily Than record something But the buttons Were clicky Clicky clacky Buttons Clicky clacky Buttons Yeah Unless it was The Japanese Ones often Weren't We had a Grundig Yeah Which was Very German Very clunky Yeah I liked that A lot Yeah But then we Had a Hitachi One Afterwards Which my Dad bought And that Had like Like A touch Buttons Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah I didn't Like that No It was always Broken as I Remember as well Yeah That's because It didn't have The clicky clacky Buttons Yeah The Grundig Was alright The Grundig Was like You know You could have Hidden behind If like A nuclear war Broke out That would That would have Absorbed all of The nuclear But uh The Hitachi One was less Yeah I felt really Flimsy Yeah You know what I mean Like it was About to break Yeah Had a Better menu As I remember Yes Much easier To Like to record Something Yeah Yeah I always I always remember Trying to record Stuff Trying to record Stuff Like the next Day Yeah So like if I Wanted to record Something now Yeah Today That was I got that Figured out But I used to Often Remember Tommy Vance He used to Do a rock Show And I used to Quite like that So and it was On at like Two o'clock in the Morning or three O'clock in the Morning something Like that Yeah So I would Often try and Record that And trying to Tell my video Recorder to Record that At three o'clock In the morning Just horrific And I'd always Wake up in the Morning full of Excitement And found that My dad had Switched it off Yeah Do you know what I mean What have you Done And that's it No getting back You can't That's it Gone No No chance Yeah Yeah That was I remember Being dead Excited Because Cinderella Had a new Album Yeah Yeah And I knew The album was Out and I Knew that no One had got it Like no one Not my mates Wouldn't have Got a Cinderella Yeah But I really Wanted it And I knew That they'd Play it on the Rock show And my dad Switched the VCR I'd be really Grumpy Did I ever tell you The Queen Video story No No So my dad Had a video Of Queen's Greatest flicks So it was the Greatest hits album I thought you meant The Queen Oh no no Not the Queen Especially your dad With his favourite Collection of the Queen You know That was one Yeah And your dad Going This is the best Me Hello What do you do Have I not told you This story No I've gone down A rabbit hole With your dad And the Queen So he had The Queen Greatest flicks Which was in a Burgundy purple Reddy kind of Colour case VHS Double one So two So two videos It was greatest hits It was like The greatest hits One and two albums You know So it was that But it was the Videos of them So I used to Watch it Religiously And I was like Because I was Getting into music And I'd play Beaming Rhapsody And I'd pause it And rewind it And learn the solo And all that sort of stuff So that was that So that happened And then my favourite Actually was Greatest flicks too Because I really like I want it all And all the latest stuff So I really like That kind of stuff And so I used to Watch that even more And I watched it so much That one day I must have overheated Or something So it chewed the tape off Of course It's that noise That noise Yeah It's like going down A plug hole And you're like Oh no And everything goes in Slow motion What you try and get Yeah that's it Yeah I tried to get it out And I was ripping the tape out Trying to like Get it And wind it back It was all That was dead There was no chance And because The thing is Because it was part of A two tape set Yeah That it was like This is the worst thing ever Yeah It's not like I just Go and replace the set I've got to buy both Like the whole The whole thing again And it's not even mine It's my dad's And my dad loves Queen And this is really bad So I got really angry Yeah And I thought that Like it'd be a redeeming thing If I punched the video Oh god Only a teenager It's like I know what will fix this Yeah This will make it better If I punched it Because it did a bad thing Yeah yeah yeah So if I punch it Yeah Like For a split second I thought that's kind of Redeemed the whole thing And I've taken the thing out It's all right dad I've punched it Yeah So I smashed the video Player to bits Because I punched that And the tape had run out And then And then I had to Explain it to my dad And in my brain I was going It's perfectly reasonable He chewed the tape up I was angry with it So I smacked it Can you imagine You were a dad He'd just like Just like roll his eyes And just like Oh god So angry So not only have I got to Replace my favourite Queen video I've got to replace The whole video recorder That's brilliant Because of you That's amazing So yeah And when he wasn't angry He was just disappointed Of course Yeah I bet your dad Spent a lot of time Disappointed Yeah Oh jeez I do like your dad Your dad's retired now And he's properly Yeah Like The last time I came in here And he got One of the loud hailers Yeah And he was working In like an out building From where we are And he'd fixed He works in a repair cafe And he'd fixed this Kind of loud hailer thing Yeah And then so he decided To order his cup of tea Over the loud hailer From the From the And he's just I don't know I so want to be Retired Yeah He's properly got that I don't care Yeah No he didn't give He's not bothered at all Not bothered Just whatever Just you know And then Somebody said something to him Like you can't do that And then he just carries on Shouting through the loud hailer And I just thought Because I'm just such a hero Just I want to Do that My thing is like Because it annoys you sometimes Because you know Oh god Could you just Grow up Yeah You know You become That role The parent role And then you go No because I'm going to be And that's exactly How I'm going to be He's going to be He's brilliant isn't he I know I love the way He just winds people up For like It's like Yeah I'm just going to Carry on doing it When we used to do The repair cafe He'd come in there You'd come in like Two minutes late Yeah And he'd say Oh afternoon shifts here Do you know what I mean I think we've I think as a As a As a species We've lost the ability To laugh at ourselves Yeah Haven't we Yeah It's everything so serious Everyone's like Trying Like It feels like people are Trying to be offended Yeah Rather than like You know That's quite funny Yeah As offensive as you You have been Do you know what I mean Yeah Yeah I don't know Yeah World's lost its way A little bit Doesn't it Everyone needs loud hailers Yeah Shouting at the world That is the way forward Fixed it Fixed it Do you know what I just You just reminded me Of the VCR Yeah Of going to car boots I hate car boots But we went to a car boot And there was a man there With a store And he had Like a hundred VCRs And they were five pounds each Yeah Yeah Yeah You can't find one now No Somebody was asking For a A VCR If they could Record They've got a tape And they wanted it Digitised Yeah Yeah Yeah And it's much harder Than you imagine Yeah To go and find You know Something that would do it Well because if you think about it Like back in the 2000s We all had capture cards And our PCs And you know So you plug it into that Digitising VHS was easy Yeah But nowadays It's USB Finding a capture card Finding the things It's yeah It's a pain in the bum Yeah But there you go And tape I My music system at home I've got my vinyl I've got My amplifier's got airplay So I can play from Apple Music And then And then I've got my CD player Yeah But I've seen everyone get Everyone's getting tape players Yeah Yeah yeah It's the thing you get isn't it I'm really obsessed with Not You know the I had a Nakamichi Yeah And he's a really old Nakamichi player But a tape Yeah But you know what I really want Is that you know The big reel to reels Yeah yeah yeah I desperately want A big reel to reel I think that would be so epic Yeah it'd be cool Imagine the Clicking and the Whizzing Oh the buttons on those things Are amazing Yeah they're like Yeah yeah yeah yeah I like all that Yep Yep definitely I don't know Can you buy music like that Can you buy music on I don't think so I mean you'll probably find Like the multi-track reels Of stuff somewhere Yeah To play it to play back You know And she'll get through her desk Or whatever Ugh Yeah Ugh Yeah we saw that That'd be dead good Yeah If you've got one Let me know if they're any good Yeah yeah Just come round Yeah just come round My youngest Barney is 11 And he's been out He's been playing with All the neighbours kids All summer Right Because that's what That's what they do Sorry I'm just I'm just readjusting myself On my seat But he's been out Playing with all The neighbours kids And what I love about it Is kids They just give stuff away Don't they Yeah yeah yeah You have that Yeah Barney's just like You know Do you want my dad's car And he just Brings them in And they just sit in the car Or he goes in the garage And like We've got There's like some Bikes in there Not being used I just give them away to people And I go in the garage And go Barney where's that Oh I've given it to Dougie Who's Dougie Oh Dougie lives there Oh right Okay yeah And then he'll go in And like He's been making Formula One Lego Yeah yeah yeah And he comes in there Can I swap this Like Formula One Lego For like a Smarty Or No Yeah yeah They're like so I don't know Yeah I remember that I remember doing things like that Like totally naive Totally Yeah yeah yeah You know And then And then like He came in with a switch Yeah And who's Who's is that Yeah Oh it's So just down the road Swapped it for a miles bar I'm borrowing it Just take it back Now No I'm borrowing it I'm allowed to So you break everything You've ever touched Who's gonna I'll replace it Yeah Barney you've got six pounds In your account Because you can't not buy things But yeah it's been a bit mad that But I The naivety of it's been epic though Yeah yeah yeah Which is really really funny Yeah But that reminds me of being that age Yeah yeah yeah Swapping tapes and stuff No absolutely All of that Yeah proper Should we go Are we done Yeah So we're done Next week We're gonna do John Bush Yeah In Sound of White Noise I love it It's got some of my favourite tracks on I'm looking forward to it I'm looking forward to you hearing it Yeah For the first time Yes All the way through Because it's gonna be dead exciting Yeah And then I'm super I'm looking at your Your CDs We can't open it until the day No And it's just dawned on me We don't have a CD player in here either No we don't No I Hmm I feel like we need a CD player Yeah There'll be one somewhere Oh my god I'm gonna buy one on eBay I've got I've got my Do you know my It took me so long to find a CD player Yeah It's really hard Yeah My CD player was made in The year 1999 It's a Yamaha Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah And my friend has a brand new CD player Yeah They don't sound the same No No I know exactly what you mean I don't mean that I don't mean that And an audiophile-y No Oh I can hear a bit different Yeah Yeah Not that They don't sound You know when you put the CD in Yeah The tray The way it goes in The tray's supposed to have a noise Yeah Yeah And then it makes this Yeah And as it finds the thing Yeah The new ones don't make The same noise No That's part of the ritual isn't it Yeah It's like a modem You know when you dial the internet Yeah And it makes the Yeah Yeah So it's an expectation of that noise The computer in pain noise Yeah It doesn't make the same noise No I don't know why But if you want CDs You want a CD player Buy one on Don't buy a new one Yeah Rubbish Yeah Buy an old one Off it It makes the right noise It won't work very well But it will make the noise Gotta make the noise Yeah Yeah Hasn't it And when you skip Yeah It's supposed to make a noise It's supposed to make like a A swirly swirly noise Yeah The swirly swirly noise Yeah Not just start playing Like the uber efficient No don't want that No don't want the swirly I don't want that at all And they're all Do you know my CD player's really heavy Yeah I say really heavy It's heavy Yeah And the modern ones Yeah There's nothing They're just Yeah no it's got a bit of heft to it Yeah You should feel Like my amplifier It's like 20 kilograms It weighs a tonne And it's supposed to Yeah yeah yeah And speakers are supposed to be heavy Yeah yeah I don't like all this light stuff No no It's supposed to be big and heavy and Yeah Stuff Yeah Anyway Yeah Waffling again Yeah Let's do Let's do this again Yeah Like same time Yeah But next week Yay Shall we do that Let's do it Same time next week See you later bye See you bye Sorry We're on the 29th street On 11th avenue To visit some friends of ours Deli of the beast That's what it's usually called It's a place where some friends of ours hang out And some ladies of the evening hang out We're just going to have some fun And see what we can do with it We're just going to cruise back in a relax for a while There's Charlie driving So if he drives like a double bass drummer Brake and foot The only way You walk this earth without a heart You tear the innocent souls apart You shuffle your conscience into the grave You walk this earth without a heart You're beautiful couldn't be taken I'll tend to burn into your flesh Your mind Your voice These are your heads to bring some mess How did you dare to be so bold? You only did as you were told Marry your neck dancing in time To be a violent dead incline For all the monsters of our time Marry my neck dancing in time Always evil who will die in the name of who you'll find A sea of souls dying for peace Welcome to the valley of the beast One mind, one voice Welcome to the valley of the beast Who hears your voice Billion, never, never again Magnet, never, never again Monsters, dead, you can't die Monsters, he's sat up to the noble state The left hand, the hand, the right, the state Driven so deep into the heart It's killing love It's killing faith It's killing causes from the heart What better wait to immortalize When your own children are your spies The things you trust are not the same Trust in death Trust in grief Trust in hope Trust in pain Trust in pain Who is evil, who is mine In the name of who you'll find A sea of souls dying for peace Welcome to the valley of the beast One mind, one voice Welcome to the valley of the beast Who hears your voice Billion, never, never again Bandits, never, never again Monsters, dead, you can't die Monsters We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back.