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The End Riffology He went James Hetfield again That was dead good I was going to say last week But we didn't do anything last week No, I loved it You made that image No Riffology this week Because Chris and Neil Can't get that act together I know To be fair We've done so well We have done amazingly well We Doing this weekly I noticed most podcasts Will do like a monthly Yeah, yeah Or, you know Monthly-ish Yeah I think we do really well I think I think we The same sort of personalities That you and I both have I would say This is actually a miracle That we've actually Managed to do it weekly I forget to do things And it's not It's like It's like a squirrel, isn't it? Do you know what I mean? You know, you get that Oh, something's happening And you go and focus on that thing Yeah, yeah, yeah And I can't multitask And then you forgot Where you buried your nuts Yeah, I can't multitask at all My kids think it's hysterical I can't Well, I mean, I can But I do Like There's this brilliant study Which suggested If you multitask You do Like both things But you do them at like half You flip them Yeah, like half the performance I'm like If I do two things I'm like down at 10% I can't do either And it feels like I'm being electrocuted In the brain I can't It doesn't You know, it's really weird But my kids think it's hysterical When If I'm trying Like if I'm trying to read And they come along And they want something Yeah And like I can't It's not possible Yeah, it's not And even if I'm thinking about something Like if I've got an idea And I'm trying to focus on that idea And this one's like What do you want for tea? You're like No, I don't want to talk I'm doing the thing Yeah, look, I can't It's like I can't I can't do that I'm doing I'm doing this thing instead Yeah, yeah, yeah There's two things I heard this week One relates to that Yeah Which is Being an adult Is just basically asking each other What you want for dinner Forever Yeah, both of you go I don't know Yeah, yeah And then the second one is Being an adult Is Saying Oh, it's alright It'll calm down in a couple of weeks Yeah It's always that, isn't it? The thing is When it is When it does calm down You don't Take advantage of it, do you? You're just like You know, I'll watch YouTube This week I watched the Alien Earth Oh, mate I haven't watched it yet I need to watch it Oh, God, that's so good Yeah, yeah, yeah If you like Alien And you've not seen Alien Earth Just go and watch that We went on a date, didn't we? You and I To watch Alien We did That was so good Yeah, yeah That was Romulus, wasn't it? Yeah At the IMAX Yeah The IMAX We need to do that again I love that I love watching Like, stuff like that At the IMAX It's so good We watched Doom, that was good Oh, Doom was good This will be another Doom, won't they? Yeah, we could do that one Yeah, I liked that I did all that Do you know the thing That I love about Alien Earth as well? I'm not going to spoil it for anybody But it's So when you get to the end Of each episode They play Bangin' music tracks Wicked First one was Judas Priest Oh, really? I think Oh, no, was it Judas Priest? Anyway, they play like Just massive Tracks at the end of each one And they're just like Oh, that's Oh, that's a So I don't know Who's choosing the music For it Because it's weird All the way through the music It's very Very alien Very atmospheric It kind of just appears There's a lot of Like Similarities to the original Yeah, it nods to it Yeah, loads and loads of that But then the tracks That they play at the end Are not They're of their time But they're just like They know their audience Yeah, yeah, yeah Absolutely know their audience I was going to say I thought you were going to say At the end of each episode They're a bit like Thundercats Where they say Don't do drugs, kids Oh, Thundercats Thundercats were great Yeah, Thundercats A-team A-team did that as well, didn't they? I don't know It got to the end of the episode And there was like a message Like a moral of the story I don't like morals Yeah, yeah Don't kill people, people Don't kill people See, the last one I remember Of that was Be kind to your mum Those sort of things Oh, Grange Hill Yeah, yeah, yeah And they had I've forgotten the guy's name They had the kid's name Who did The symbolic kid that did drugs Yes And then they had him going Oh, don't do drugs Yeah And then they had the song They had the song, didn't they? Yeah, yeah Yeah, that was Don't do drugs Yeah, it was That's what the song was called I think Don't do drugs Yeah This week It's about Sepultura What's that? That's good Five minutes That's good going We're in Five minutes And then we intro What we're doing That's good So you're Chris I'm Chris I'm Marty DeBergey Yeah, Neil Riffology.co There's the website Yeah Look at the accompanying blog To this podcast Search for it It's mega It's absolutely awesome It's like you look at it and go It's interesting It's like the most incredible thing It's just the most incredible thing ever It's like What would President Trump would say This is the best blog ever What people say I'm sure that's what he would say, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah People would People told me Yeah, I can't do accents People People, people, people It's very good I am Because I'd not heard this album ever Yeah This is slightly before your time Yeah, this is like Because this was 89 Yeah Yeah, this would have been If I had listened to this in 89 Would it have been 8? Yeah Would it be 8 or 7 Or one of those numbers And I would have gone Oh no Oh no This is shit And I didn't have the audible palette for this Yeah, so this for me was like Proper full on life changing So 89 How old were you? Let's look at the numbers I would have been 15 Yeah, so it's that 13, 14, 15 bit Bang smack So like I was I was absolutely in love with Like Metallica's like Ride the Lightning That was from 84 Master of Puppets It's like Slayer's first couple of records Like Wasp as well And Judas Priest as You know And Iron Maiden Yeah, yeah, yeah There's a bunch of that kind of stuff And then there was some like Big heavy thrice I loved this time I loved Carcass Yes At this time as well So that kind of stuff So this would have been early Carcass, right? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah The kind of really kind of You know, grungy Yeah Kind of, you know, gory stuff And kind of early Napalm as well But this came out And I remember Again on tape So this is like At this point in time For me Life was Cassette tapes Pretty much Some people You would have had some Some CDs But this was mostly Some vinyl If you were Like you might I remember You would ask for vinyl As like a Christmas present Or whatever But vinyl was expensive So what you'd do Is you'd go and get Your cassette tapes From the paper shop And then you'd go And wait for someone to get it And then you'd record it Or tape it Or like for this one For me It was tape trading So you would There were a few Like really renowned Tape traders So you would You would like Parcel up like a Package of like Six C90s Post them off To the tape trader With your list of Tapes And then What you would get back Is they would take One of the tapes For themselves And then they would Fill the others With stuff And post them back to you And then And then you would You would get that And then they would Send you like their list Or they'd say Oh can I have Sometimes what you Would get back Is they would send you Like four or five tapes Like a wish list Yeah they'd ask for For you to put stuff On there And then you would You would send them back Yeah And my friend Got this Obviously none of the It was just all Like handwritten So none of the artwork Or any of Any of that But I remember Listening to To this album And just being Floored by it Just the I mean the production I mean like listening Back to it now You kind of think The production's not Like super mega Right Compared to You know Like I guess A modern metal Of its era Of the day This was It was There was something Going on It was you know If you If you want to Kind of see Like if you go And listen to A creator record Of a similar time They didn't And a lot of The thrash Albums They were like Uber thin Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah The drums Would sound You know Particularly nasty I would say For a lot of A lot of albums Around this time You know Really poor Production quality And then This This came through And it's It's phenomenal This is Mori Sound Studios Scott Burns Scott Burns History is really Interesting So I was talking About creator Scott Burns He was a Computer engineer He listened to He loved this music Listened to Bands like Creator And just Why are they Making them Sound so terrible And then Got involved With the Two brothers That owned Or started Mori Sound Studios Yeah Got involved With them Built an Amazing Acoustic space Realised for Kind of heavy Music That the drum Sound was Like critical You needed to Get the drums To cut through The thick Heavy guitars And Figured out How to get Triggering Working So this Album I can't remember Many before But this album Will have been Triggered Yeah Which for 1989 is Phenomenal Right So you know Being able to Use Computer triggering Yeah To get the But the drum Sound on Here I Think is I mean Underpins Sepultura Don't work Without If you listen To their As the albums Go on Past this That tribal Drumming Just gets Bigger and Bigger and Better and Better I Think And I Think you Like roots Don't you I do Yeah But again That record To me Kind of Goes really Tribal Doesn't it The percussion Through that Record Yeah Everything Extraordinary But that Stuff That doesn't Work Without You have To have That really Kind of Amazing Drum Sound But it Started here For me It started I think And did you Say that there Were kind of Like triggers They were like Drum triggers Yeah I mean that's Just incredible I don't know In the 89 Yeah And drum Triggers Yeah Unbelievable It's bonkers Isn't it Yeah So drum Triggers Are So on your Drum kick You've got Kick Ordinarily You've got Your kick Drum Which is Your kind Of like And then You've got Your snare Drum Which is Like your Crack That kind Of sound And then You've got Your toms Which are Like the And the And you Get lower Ones And then You've got The hi-hats Which are Like the Sound And then You've got The cymbals Which is Like See So someone Somewhere Will sample All of those Sounds I just Did And turn Those Into a Drum kit Yeah If they Wanted to If they Were so Like into Our podcast And so They could Take all Those little Sounds I just Made Yeah All those And they Could turn Them into A Chris Drum kit And when They hit A key On a On a Keyboard Or a Or a Electric Drum kit Or something Like that Rather than Playing an Acoustic Sound It would Play one Of those Sounds And that's That's what Triggering Is So you'd Sample Effectively Like a Kick drum A snare drum You know Separately As a Sound And then And then You'd find A way To trigger That sound By Usually Something Called MIDI Like some Some sort Like a Keyboard Or a Pad Of some Description And then You'd Hit that And then It would Tell The thing The computer Somewhere To turn That sound On And then Turn it Off Again And then You hit it Again And then it Comes through Again And it Turns off And That technology Wasn't really A thing Back in 1989 It makes You wonder How they How they Did it But yeah Phenomenal I think Like I say Scott Burns Was a Computer engineer And the Brothers were Acoustics And The only Thing I can Think of Is that About that Time Obviously Was it The Roland MPC The sampler Yeah So it would Have been Recording the Kits Into like Sample libraries On one of Those things And using That to Trigger the Sound So you Hit the Pads I have no Idea how Yeah Absolutely No idea How they Did it But I'm Sure There's some Really interesting Documentaries And there's A book About Scott Burns Which I Have bought Myself I've not Read it Yet But I've Got a Copy At home So maybe It goes Into it More in There So it Was very Important To make Just a Killer Record And you Think I think You can Sense That Desperation In the Performance Of that Record And And I Love it I love That the Record That we Captured That on The album You know So I Think It's Timeless And The crazy Thing about It Is like How Relevant Those songs Are today If you're Talking about Beneath the Remains Which is an Anti-war Song You know If you think If you think About what's Going on In Europe Right now In Ukraine That song Is all About that It's You know Who has Won Who has Died Beneath the Remains That's it Man You know It's like So it's Crazy 30 years Later Those lyrics Are more Relevant Now than They Even Before You know They're more Important Now than They were I think That makes A little Special To Makes A little Cooler And it's Just fun To play It's all Tuned to E standard That was Before we Start Fucking With Tunings But yeah It was Revolutionary This wasn't Just like You know Turn the Compression Up You know There was Some There was A lot Of Clever Tech To Make These Albums Sound Like This But The Morisand Studio Like Was The Epicenter Of This Kind Of Extreme Metal Yeah Community It was An absolute Scene And you Could hear It The music Went from And absolutely Was part of The success I think You know The production Of those Albums Just suddenly Went up From Because of Morisand Because of Morisand And because Of Scott Burns Yeah Where was That Where was Morisand It was in Florida Florida Yeah Yeah So yeah They But it Produced This Bizarre Scene I think Where Like Scott Burns Used to Sleep In the Studio He lived Like an Hour away From Morisand Studios So he Would Often When they Were recording And working On an Album He'd Often Just sleep On the Studio Floor Yeah Yeah Yeah And This Record Particularly Sepultura Was Sao Paolo In Brazil So they Were Nowhere Near No This Community And Their Music Was Their Music Was Tape Traded It Wasn't Yeah But you Couldn't Go and buy Sepultura Album That's not True You could Buy Sepultura Album But they What you Needed to Know where To go And you You'd Normally Have To Get One I Remember Schizophrenia A friend Found a Copy Of it Is that The first One Yeah So they Did A couple Of VPs And stuff But I remember Him finding A copy Of that And Somebody Trying to Snatch It Out of His Hand As he Was Trying To Buy It There Was Like Uber Rare Things But Yeah Mostly It was It was Kind of You know It was Tape traded It was Fairly Underground Whereas At that Time You know The Other Extreme Metal Albums Were in Record Stores So it Wasn't Like That The Whole Scene Wasn't There It Was Just Like Sepultura Were Out Of That Does That Make It More Because It's Because It's Scarce Right It's It's Scarce Do You Think Does That Make It More Seen As Being Like A Bit Special Yeah When When You Started To Listen To Them And They I Think As Well It's Like Because They Were Isolated They Were Part Of The That Brazilian Scene And The Culture So That Influenced Them And They Were Incredibly Tight Band I Was Was One That Was Cow Hammer One Side And Discharge On The Other Side And I Listened To That Tape Forever It Was A Use Rick I Probably You Know Use That Thing To Death You Know Probably Play It To Death And Yeah It Was Fun You Know Tape Training With Chuck From Death Was Great And Great From Morbid Angel And Milly From Creator You You Know Dark Angel Possessed We Were Involved With All The Bands It Is Too Much What I Do Now I I Involved With All New Bands Right Now Gate Creeper Necron Carnation You Know I Still Inside Of Me I 49 But I Still Have The Spirit Of 15 Year Old Phoenix And You I Still Look For Bands Get Excited When I Hear New Stuff I Like I Like To Get Their T-shirts I Like To Wear Them I Like To Support You On The Ground Very Much The Same As I Was I Think I'm The Same Person As I Was When I Was In Those Tape Trazing Days Just Just The Difference Today We Have The Internet But They Were Playing With Other Bands In Their Scene You Know So So That Became They Didn't Become Watered Down They Didn't They Weren't Imitating Yeah I Mean They Weren't Imitating Other American Bands Or Swedish Death Metal Bands They Were Kind Of Trying To Be The Best Brazilian Band They Were It Was Their Local Scene They Were Trying To Be Brilliant Yeah And Then This Record Was Recorded Partly In Sao Paolo And Then Partly In Florida In Morisand But It's Interesting A lot Of People Talk About This Album As Being Like This In Between State Right Where I Totally Had That I Like When I Was Listening Through It It Was That Thing Of Like I Don't Know Where This Fits I Know How It Fits In The Timeline Of All The Other Bands That You Know Yeah I Kind Of Couldn't I Couldn't See It It Was Like A Limbo Album It Was In Between Lots Of Other Things I Mean It It's Incredible That's Not To Say It's Not Got An Identity Because It Has But When You've Got All That Other Stuff Going On Which Which Has Very Clearly Got That Identity Be it Thrash Be it Death Be it You know Extreme Or Like You know The Lightest Stuff Or Whatever The Classic Rock It Doesn't Fit Solely Into Any Of Those Pigeon I Gotta Tell You That The Era In Metal Was Great You Had Entombed The Carcass God Flash Fuck Land It Was Like The Exciting Era Of Metal And We Rode That High You Know And Touring And The Arise Tour Was Great Like 15 Month Took Us Around The World Indonesia Australia Russia And It Was Just The Beginning Of It You Know And So Yeah I Look Back Really Fun Memories Of That Time And That Why It So Cool To Play These Records These Nowadays It Kind Of Make Us Remember Some Of The Good Times We Had And Appreciate The Record It's Got Lovely Bits In There Where There's Like Almost Like Acoustic Melody Yeah And It's Savage In Places And It's Really Fast In Places And Then It's Really Really Heavy And Chuggy And Slow And It's I like The Chuggy Slow Bits The Best I have To Say They're Really Good At That Aren't They Yeah And It's You know It Was It Was A Real I Think It was A real Shift For Them I I I I I I I I I I I I I think I think I think the band was super tight before that but I think he brought this ability to craft a song so I brought some melodies and some confidence to go and experiment a little but I think what he brought with him was this structure songcraft if you like. Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. And the combination of that and Scott Burns is what lifted is what I think shaped this. Yes yeah. At that time in Brazil we all used to play five shows a year so it was very slow. And we were like really hungry. We want to do more. We knew we could do more. We knew we could be touring. So it was a bit of a frustration of building inside the band. But we knew like we could just keep working. And things will eventually pick up. And I got a contract. You know I finally got it. We got a ticket to New York and you know drop a bunch of records in New York and one of them was Roadrunner and they called Monkey called us back and gave us a contract. We were in cloud nine man you know like recording for the first time with a real label and you know with a producer you know so Scott came to Rio we did Beneath the Remain. We worked very hard on Beneath the Remain. I think it shows the maturity of the band. Yeah I don't know. It's one of those albums that is just I think it's just just incredible from beginning to end. There's no part of this that just feels like an afterthought or a filler. It's it's all crafted. It's been yeah yeah. It's just bonkers. It's just absolutely flat out from beginning to end. It's either like super fast or it's kind of melodic or it's like chuggy. There's always something and there's always a change happening as well. There's like you know there's it never stays the same for very long and then you're kind of changing things up. And again a lot of the death bands a lot of the thrash bands weren't doing that. No no no. And then this kind of because it was like Entombed did Left Hand Path which kind of begins and it has this big breakdown like in the middle of it which is like super cool. But that's like the year after. Yeah yeah. This is a it's the breakdown is very much a Sepulchurri thing. What can we put in a song to make it more exciting or you're gonna have a part where everything's gonna it's gonna go the crowd's gonna go crazy. You kind of waited. You kind of play the old song just waiting for that moment for that rip to arrive you know that breakdown. So those were born for that necessity of an insane breakdown part in the middle of a song and we we live for that you know so it was kind of like the art of making songs that had those things in it. When we play live we lose our mind. It is isn't it. I think you had like obituary who again they were kind of really heavy and slow and chuggy and I think it influenced them a little bit as well. Yeah yeah yeah. So I think it's interesting as much as the other areas much as like thrash and death influenced Sepulchurri and you know as they progressed I think Sepulchurri changed the world a little bit. But they were changing the band you know they were changing the bands around them. People Remains in 89 and Arise in 91. They were created in the golden era and they captured that moment you know so play them now the people now that they kind of like you know live with the songs and they kind of the songs became part of their DNA actually. The nostalgic feeling is very strong you know and you can help but you know and please kind of go back to that time and remember the era. Interesting because when you were talking earlier about the tape trading idea. Yeah. This is almost like stylistic trading isn't it? Yeah. Well you've talked about this in the past where it's like you know the music that you listen to influences the music you play. Yeah. Maybe not. Like you're not stealing chord sequences or riffs or anything like that but it's just it lives in because you love it. Yeah. Oh that sounded really good. Yeah yeah yeah and it'll come it'll come through in some other way. It influences it influences you know how you how you do things. so they absolutely absolutely did you know change the world around them you know and where they I mean I wonder if they'd have been bands like Gojira without Sepultura you know that the way that I mean they remind me huge I mean Gojira remind me massively of how I feel about Sepultura you know they I feel similar to to Gojira that I do about Sepultura. That's interesting yeah. Yeah that kind of I love that kind of tribal. Yeah. You know it's having that I think it's like a drum first record. Yeah that's so interesting. You know where it kind of is isn't it it's this but and you have to think that. And that's Eagle right. Yeah. That's Eagle Cavalera. Yeah. And Max Cavalera being the kind of singer front man sort of. Yeah. Yeah for a while for those for the next like three three or four records. Yeah. And then they left to form Soulfly and Andreas because Andreas Kisser is still in Sepultura. It's interesting I think Soulfly sounded more like Sepultura than Sepultura did for after that switch you know and it's obviously Max's voice. If you think about the you know the brothers it's Max's voice. Yeah. Part of the songwriting was Max and then the drumming. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I think for me a lot of the yeah a lot of the signature style of Sepultura is in the drumming. Yeah. And like clearly in this record like Eagle's finding his place. Yeah. I mean the drumming in this record is excellent. I mean it's absolutely exquisite. It's excellent. But Arise was even better. Yeah. And then Arise was the one afterwards. Yeah. And then Chaos AD was even better. Yeah. Yeah. And Roots was even the drumming for me just gets like. Yeah. It just gets better and better and better. Yeah. So I think Chaos AD is a Rockfield one as well. Oh no way. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't know that was done in Rockfield. I'm pretty sure Chaos AD is a Rockfield one. Nick Brian engineered it I'm sure he did. Did he? Yeah. He's done loads hasn't he? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That Nick Brian he gets everywhere. Yeah. So just the link there for people going what where's his name come from? Rockfield where's that come from? We did the What's the Story Morning Glory a few weeks. Well we did Live Forever and what's not Live Forever. Definitely maybe. And What's the Story is like a double kind of exploration a few weeks back. And that was a Rockfield thing. And I've been yeah I've got a soft spot for Rockfield. Yeah. You've played there haven't you as well. Yeah. I did a bit of soft there yeah. You played the piano. Yeah. Done all the things. Freddie's Piano. Yeah. Then he wrote Bohemian Rhapsody on and the Don't Know Back and Anger Piano. Both lived there. I didn't know that. Yeah. Coldplay's Trouble was recorded there. Parachute's their first album. Loads of good stuff. Yeah I knew they did that there yeah yeah. Yeah. It's a cool place isn't it? Yeah it is cool yeah. We should do a studio tour. That's what we should do. Let's do that. Should we just drive down to just knock on Nick? Just go on the Nick. Yeah yeah. That's it. He's not even there he's probably in Spain. He's like Nick let's go just go out to all of them to go out of the road. We're doing a thing. Pull the kettle on. Yeah. I have to say the listening numbers for this now. Yeah. It's getting crazy isn't it? It's dead good. Yeah. Thanks for listening. Thank you for listening. Even on our week off. We did have a week off yeah. And what was I going to say is that our listeners in Germany have gone up. Yeah Germany and Spain. And America. So again if you're listening on iHeartRadio. Hello. Thank you very much. Yeah hello. That's good. Yeah. Tell your friends. Yeah. Yeah. Leave us a review. Yeah. I've not looked. You know ages ago we asked if people left us a review. Yeah. I haven't looked. I mean for those of you that are not aware we're not that good at this. So we do this stuff and then I forget because I'm like I forget about it completely. And it's literally just occurred to me I wonder if anyone's left us a review. And it doesn't but it doesn't the thing is that stuff goes into my spam. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because you don't get it very often. Yeah. And I ignore all of the emails we get from Spotify. Yeah. Like because it's just I don't know it's just whinging right. The same from Apple. So I don't look. Yeah. So I better go and I better go and look. But Lindsay. Yeah. Great friend of the show. She she leaves comments and things sometimes. Yeah. Yeah. And it might take me like two weeks to go and respond to it. Because I don't it's only when I think oh I wonder I better check. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah. Yeah. It's not because we it's not because we don't like it. It's just because we're not very good. Yeah. Yeah. That's that's yeah. Yeah. It's it's far more about we're not very good. Can we do you know what you when we decided we're going to do this album. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I listen to this album a lot. Yeah. I still listen to this album now. So this according to my last FM numbers. Yeah. I think I listen to this about 10 times a year. Yeah. Yeah. So even now even not preparing for the show or anything else. I just absolutely love this record. Um but when you're listening to and you're thinking about uh you things to talk about um it hit me that like the first half of this album is up there as being like one of the best beginnings to like any albums goes starts with Beneath the Remains which is phenomenal. Inner Self is one of my I think it's just incredible. Rex really slow and kind of you know um yeah it's chuggy. Yeah. When it's incredible. We'll see you next time. We'll see you next time. We'll see you next time. We'll see you next time. We'll see you next time. We'll see you next time. We'll see you next time. We'll see you next time. We'll see you next time. We'll see you next time. We'll see you next time. We'll see you next time. We'll see you next time. We'll see you next time. We'll see you next time. We'll see you next time. We'll see you next time. We'll see you next time. Walk on these third streets, with hate in my mind, feeling the scorn of the world. I want to follow the rules, blame and lies, contradictions arise, blame and lies, contradictions arise. Not the problem in my inner self, only I've got my inner self. I want to change my way, it has to be this way. I want to change my way, it has to be this way. I live my life for myself, forget your filthy ways, blame and lies, contradictions arise, blame and lies, contradictions arise, blame and lies. And lies, contradictions arise, and lies, contradictions arise. We'll see you next time. We'll see you next time. We'll see you next time. We'll see you next time. We'll see you next time. We'll see you next time. We'll see you next time. We'll see you next time. Trained by turning, you think you will, but someday you fall and I'll be waiting. That's all the insane men, you're here, personalized by women, our cancer and death. That's all the insane men, you're here, personalized by women, our cancer and death. That's all the insane men, you're here, personalized by women, our cancer and death. That's all the insane men, you're here to be, you're here to be, you're here to be. One of these first dreams, we'll be hating my mind. Finish the corner of the world, I won't fall your rose. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. I think, to me, Beneath The Remains is one of the most raw records ever made in metal in general. And I believe I know why it's so raw. It was because it was done at night. That's a nocturnal record. Nocturnal record ever since. We couldn't record during the day. There was a pop band in the studio during the day. So our sessions was from midnight to seven. Like, it's crazy. I never heard of those hours in a studio for a band before. It was the only thing available. We wanted to record in the best Brazilian studio at the time. And it was Nas Nuvens in Rio. And that was all that was available. It was that. But because of that, just because it was nocturnal, man. There's something about those graveyard shift hours filter right into the record, man. You almost feel like the desperation of... Also because I think it was our shot. You know, we had this one shot. It's like you're holding the dice and you're rolling the dice and you got this one fucking chance to make it a good one. It was Roadrunner put all the chips on us. They're believing in this band. We had to make the best record we could make. So, I was very inspired and very, just very thrilled, man. And I think it shows on the songs. I think the growth from Schizophrenia to Beneath The Remains is huge. I think the band, we all took a step forward. And then you go Stronger Than Hate. Stronger Than Hate has got a little bit death. It goes a bit deathy. It's kind of thrashy and deathy, that one. But I really like that. Mass Hypnosis has got these kind of incredible breakdown bits in there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Where you've got these phenomenal... And like stuff that other bands were not... No, exactly. You were either thrash or you were hard. Yeah. But you had like... Like Testament did a bit of this. Alex Skolnick's guitar work is exquisite. He wasn't scared to stick an acoustic guitar in a thrash record, you know, and do clever stuff. But not like Sepultura did it. No, exactly, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like just, you know, thick in the middle of a track and it just kind of breaks into... We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. So, I'm a huge metal fan, Stu, no matter what. You know, like, that never went away. So, I think that's great. I know that people say, oh, you got to grow out of that phase, but fuck that, I don't want to, you know, I don't want to grow out of that phase. I'm a metal head for life. so many other different people and things and all that sort of stuff so and i think there's a lot of love for sepultura yeah they're a band that people rarely you don't kind of get this oh i hate them no exactly yeah i mean it's that they are um yeah they're they're they're they're a special bunch i think but the other thing is um like when you said there that the first half is such a powerful thing we both like different parts of the of the record yeah that's which is really interesting because the bits that i like i'm just going through mine now was a massive noses of course because you said just said there you got to that one that was the and um slaves of pain and lobotomy which i think that all those are later on in the record aren't they they are yeah slaves of pains quite fast i think as well that's kind of quite um and then i like lobotomy yeah but that's some of the lead work yeah i think it was that as well for me i think that is is yeah i think that's extraordinary um and then um yeah and then like it ends with with primitive future as well which i don't know again it's it's just one of these um albums i feel like sometimes i love albums because you end up with like some some albums make tons of sense and they're just like you know i mean it's it's like super thought thought through and like anything from steven wilson right it's like it's got this arc to it normally and it's got it's you know like pink floyd or you know there are these albums that are like connected from the beginning to the end yeah all been recorded you know when the first the first bit of the first track is actually being recorded all of it's kind of planned right and then there are albums that are not yeah where there are you know it's a collection of where the band were like if you look at like appetite for destruction or yeah you know like i guess early metallica right where where there's you know that they're they're songs that were written and then all put together and there are songs like some of the megadeth records where they're like every song is recorded in a different album yeah different studio yeah yeah yeah um you know this one for me is got it's it's got the same like production qualities yeah but the songs all sound like the same tone yeah but structurally and and the songs they're all really quite different you know in the way they run and the way they approach things so like you don't get bored yeah you know it's kind of not an album that you um there's always something interesting either happening or about to happen yes you know it switches and changes quite a lot which i don't know i think always i'm trying to like as a 15 year old obviously i didn't really care about any of that no you just thought oh that sounds really heavy and that sounds dead good and then you know then i guess i mean what keeps you coming back i suppose isn't it you know those albums from that time that so do you know like when this album do you know because certain albums i love in the same way that you love this one i know it inside out yeah i know it track by track i know like when the track neck the track ends i know what's coming next and all that sort of stuff and i kind of know that i know the album in a really intricate and intimate way yeah do you have that with this oh god yeah yeah yeah this this one you yeah this one i know really really well yeah yeah from uh um yeah it's weird it's like the gap the gap in between the songs you know exactly yeah yeah yeah you know exactly what where you are and yeah but it's like yeah i know exactly where i am in the album and where i am in the track so it's kind of like i kind of visualize you know what i mean where i visualize where i am in the in the album when especially when i'm listening to it in the car yeah um which is interesting because i don't think young people now who are say 13 14 15 which is where they're creating their identity and yeah or forming their identity should i say when a lot of it comes through music they won't probably have that experience maybe in the same way but and i think actually the tape trading has a lot to do with that because you can't skip them yeah yeah you could be right you can't skip them you have to listen to the thing all the way through with the album with the because it's recorded verbatim isn't it yeah yeah yeah because they were the tape i had with this had this on one side an obituary cause of death yeah and it went into 45 minutes ah yeah because i remember having a bon jovi one it was two bon jovi albums yeah yeah but because they didn't quite fit on the side yeah they cut halfway through a song so like there were some albums like new jersey for example which my uncle made made on a tape for me yeah i never heard the end of the album until later and then and then i bought it on cd and it was like oh my god there's like three more songs on this thing whatever you know i can't remember i just remember having that tape and i would i would play on one side then play on the other side then play on one side then play on the other side um and i remember having that you're right it might not have even been complete yeah yeah it might have just been like well i guess what somebody felt were their favorite songs and that was the other interesting thing you wouldn't you wouldn't have seen the art with the artworks really interesting yeah but you wouldn't have seen it like you you would have no because because you're at the hand just a hand it would have just been handwritten and then if you were lucky like this this one it said sepultura and then it would say it said uh brazil right um and sometimes you would get like um uh what did i get for like there was one there was a one tape trader and i i traded for a bunch of thrash um uh tapes yeah and he sent me again a bunch of local flyers yeah yeah for the gigs that were around so you would see that as well so and that's what the artwork that's the artwork i saw yeah and then it was only like i probably i don't know probably two years after three maybe yeah probably two years after yeah this like 91 ish we would be out in record stores yeah yeah yeah and then that's when i first saw the album artwork and those kind of things um but which is incredible when you think about it like you know it's not like i hadn't seen like you there were record stores in ashby where we went to school but it wouldn't have carried this stuff no no um but yeah i remember first seeing this and bought the t-shirt yeah uh and just loved it because the album artwork for this they were both by uh so so sepultura's beneath the remains yeah and obituaries cause of death uh were both by michael whelan yeah and the story is fascinating so the story is that sepultura were in roadrunner yes and they're in the red in the record company's office and they were shown a bunch of album artwork that they could use yeah also it's almost like they had a a selection that they could choose a bunch of stuff that we've bought and licensed wow so we've not had this can use we're not creating this for your album this is this is like this is stock yeah this is well these were four and this i might get this mixed up but the story i'm pretty sure michael whelan did these for uh like a uh a movie or something right okay it was done for some for something else yeah it wasn't meant for this roadrunner then bought the rights to use it as an album i see right okay but they bought loads of it so so yeah so they just almost like bought the rights to use yeah so what they would do is they would go off and find artists who had got cool artwork and then would license it and then we'd get it and then and then it was kind of like hey here's what we've got choose yeah choose one right anyway sepultura chose um so i'm going to show you now sepultura chose that one yeah oh really the obituary one with the big eye on it yeah so they chose the artwork for cause of death now it's either igor or max i can't remember has like half a tattoo and it's of that they started to have that tattoo be made of the big eye oh no and then and then somebody at roadrunner yeah said no yeah yeah um that obituary better with obituaries album than yours and then they gave them the um what was called nightmare in red yeah so uh so the the the eye one is called tales oh god imagine that you've been so locked into this thing you get a tattoo of the they were split the band they were livid absolutely livid over it but i have to say a lot as great as the obituary album cover is yeah those two album covers i had them i had them as posters on my wall as a both of them yeah yeah as a i know we're 16 17 year old i had them on my wall i had t-shirts of both of those and they were like for me that's kind of the i just love them i just think they're so good this so intricate the artwork is just phenomenal and just so perfect like that that like you know that kind of um the nightmare in red yeah yeah for beneath the remains i mean how perfect is that for the album yeah yeah yeah yeah that really is that that is the the cause of death album cover is brilliant yeah but the nightmare in red is vibe yeah it fits the album so much better yeah um and yeah anyway so i i i love i love the story behind it and yeah it kind of gives you a bit of an insight into what was going on um but i i yeah i just think it's like phenomenal really really phenomenal i think um i think is it fact time fact do you know because i did the blog um i uh it's it's um i will try and do fact but um i i did it in in a way that was probably a little bit less facty so um so the i'll do it i'll do my best best facts best fact so um released in 1989 um it was max cavallera andreas kisser um igor cavallera and paulo jr paolo um i'm gonna hear paolo paolo yeah and the bit that i think is interesting is that andreas kisser gets credited for songwriting whereas actually i think it was max and andreas i think the band did a lot of songwriting but um in lots of articles what i read um it it kind of said uh it like officially tags andreas kisser as uh songwriting and i'm not sure um was recorded recorded in a bunch of different uh places um it was recorded in sao paulo and it was also recorded in morris sound studios that we've already talked about um now morris sound studios was founded by jim and tom morris um but scott burns basically used it as uh um a home so um he he there's a lovely quote from him where he says that there was this general consensus that nobody who produced stuff like sepultura gave a shit about it no one ever tried to make them sound good and at the time jim and tom were pioneers as far as doing drum triggering and they invested money in pc electronics and figured out how to use that to make really good recordings scott burns was a computer engineer no he joined them and then that's kind of where the uh where the thing came from um is there's lots and lots of discussions with him where he talks about it's just basically trial and error they just tried tons and tons of different things until they got the thing they wanted the thing that worked um tons of uh stories about scott burns uh sleeping in the studio but production wise i mean so he did 1988 in 1988 he did death's leprosy um then he did like sepultura obituary atheist terrorizer um cancer deicide napalm death um there's a lovely bit from napalm death when they talked about um doing it was for harmony corruption which is kind of a bit of a death metal record from those that kind of first switch away from kind of grind and over to death um it's fascinating i was reading um shane embry's biography and he was saying like one of the highlights of his life was going to morris sound studios and meeting scott burns because i mean they were just kids from birmingham yeah and and um it's like it's a bit like going to um you know the studio that the um your favorite albums and bands were you know were recorded yeah yeah but like going to rockfield yeah i'm recording there um so a huge a huge deal the rockfield um uh rockfield studio um a big part of that that scott puts down to is getting the drum sound right yeah which i think is the for me that kind of underpins this album massively um uh the album itself um the tracks aren't too short so the kind of average like five minutes yeah five minutes which i think is um an appropriate length for a song slightly slightly too long slightly on the on the long side but absolutely mega um the big single was in herself there was an mtv uh video as well which is like for um for extreme metal and and kind of this stuff it wasn't often used they didn't often um i didn't often see that um there's been a bunch of different versions of it although i'm quite pleased to say you can still get the original yeah yeah so was released in 89 roadrunner um then there was a european pressing uh it wasn't released oh you know i've just only just realized it wasn't released on cd initially it was released on on cassette and vinyl set and vinyl first 89 91 it got a cd and then in 2020 this was repressed right on vinyl that's the version i've got now right yeah um uh it did not have uh you know the parental guidance yes not on it no didn't have that which i think is really interesting yeah um they toured with uh cause obviously called uh obituary on the same label yes so they they went off and did uh uh uh did touring um there's another bit down here where it talks about um yeah so i'm going to do a quick fact recap um so released april 7th 1989 recorded in nas newvin studio rio de janeiro and morris sound um length 4148 which is an appropriate length that is the appropriate length i like that as well um album before was schizophrenia 1987 production on that was shocking um and then and then they're a phenomenal band i think for production because then you've got beneath the remains this was the first one that i fell in love with and then arise yeah the one i stepped up i think that was the best record that they've done and then uh and then they um yeah they they develop then into this um but the production just gets better and and the percussion just gets better it's like like i guess um my take they went out of my taste a little bit but the production and the and the uh the songs on those albums afterwards just i mean utterly incredible um uh the album's budget was eight thousand dollars wow which is not much is it no not much at all uh which yeah um scott burns fee allegedly uh was two thousand dollars right yeah uh which was super low yeah and the quotes are because he really wanted to work with a brazilian band yeah yeah and he was really really curious um yeah really really curious about them um they were seen as being a black metal kind of band right that's interesting because the black metal you normally associate with european bands yeah um album was released on april 7th 89 it reached number nine on the uk indie charts yeah um which yeah which was pretty pretty cool we've already talked about the video in a self was on mtv which played on headbangers ball that's kind of what that inner self that kind of chuggy heavy but that's the one that kind of really kind of uh pushed them through a little bit i think um and then and that's that's kind of it for facts really there's there's like you know we talked about there's a bunch of uh reissues and stuff um the band eventually broke up which you don't want to go into um but it it's interesting they they don't feel any more like my sepultura yes this this is sepultura to me and then but who are max and igor touring as then now because they said they still did stuff didn't they so there was a soul flight and then there was a max cavallera there was the cavallera conspiracy yeah yeah um and then they've just redone uh bestial devastations and schizophrenia yeah yeah and then because a couple of the interviews that we've put for this one are from a an event where they toured live they toured beneath the remains and arise yeah it's like a live thing it's like a celebration of that word but that wasn't sepultura itself was it it's super weird yeah it's a bit like entombed like entombed aren't entombed anymore either or wishbone ash yeah it's like two different wishbone ashes yeah it's like oh i don't know what but it's interesting to me i think that timeline like if you if you follow this the timeline through to the point that max and igor uh leave sepultura yeah yeah and then soul flight appears yeah that is that's the band that sound more like sepultura to me and sepultura your sepultura yeah then sepultura changed into like something slightly that's still awesome i mean it's not like they're they you know were terrible they were great but i've seen them live and i've seen them live uh way back then and they were great and i've seen them live um uh with just andrea's kisser and without the cavalera yeah yeah yeah um but and they were great in both both cases and as much as i'm kind of saying that the for me a lot of that dna of sepultura was was igor's yes uh percussion yeah um they're still epic today and they're still there today so that that that dna that um um style if you like you're still there but it's not quite yeah the same yeah you know it's not quite the the same as it as it was for me um but yeah it's fascinating i think the way that progresses and then and then soul fly yeah um you know how that how that kind of came about but but yeah um yeah it's really really interesting album this one and i think if you've not heard it if you're too young to have heard it this this one um yeah it's definitely if you liked that kind of era yeah or where this went kind of i guess if you liked where death metal went around this time that kind of florida scene yeah for me this is this is one of uh you know if you imagine like a uh like a a table with legs right this is this is this album is one of those yeah it's one of the legs you know if you think about like scott burns yeah and morris i yeah it's important beneath the remains is a i think is a part of that yeah um i don't think that scene would have been anywhere as no no big without the like the influence of uh you know of uh of sepultura yeah i just i mean not that they were bigger than any of the bands i don't think they were but it's like you said it's that influence importance thing isn't it yeah yeah it definitely it definitely did something it mixed it it mixed a gene pool up a lot i think absolutely it's like the um the swedish death scene as well yeah i mean there's there there's all these kind of scenes that happen and when they happen around the same time sometimes they're totally isolated yeah yeah um and and i think there was a bunch of stuff like if you it's fascinating you're going to listen to the tone of the guitar tone of the swedish death scene and that was the the um heavy metal yeah yeah just with um i saw a lovely article which talked about the um exquisite detail of how to get that tone and it had to get that tone yeah and you literally wind everything up to the max that's great and i just think it's just like but you get this when you do that with that pedal yeah you said you get it yeah you sound you get that buzz source swedish death metal sound um and so you got that stuff that was going on but then you'd got um you've got sepultura with this like just like perfect percussion sound and i think that's what yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah it's but it sounds menacing it's got this dark toned it's the thick dark thick tone to the like black sabbath yeah yeah yeah like that it's got that kind of which reflects the album art better than the other one doesn't it that's the thing yeah that's when you when you just said that then i just had the image of that album in my head going yeah it is it's more skull and it's way more in keeping i remember wearing it i remember wearing that to school and yeah and like you know you're not allowed to wear that what yeah um but there there is a um yeah there's it is it's like some bands do that really like i think slipknot do that i know slipknot get a lot of grief in the in the press and stuff but then they oh the slipknot were definitely like a follow-on of this thing they there was an inspiration of this in slipknot yeah sure 100% like the first band i think that did this really well with slayer yeah where they it's got this kind of menacing like quite scary yeah kind of tone it's a horror thing isn't it yeah yeah yeah it's like watching a horror movie it's not like you know you're like a jump scare it's like alien it's just about to come you know i really want to watch that now yeah um and then you so you you know what i mean you have that where where there's this um this menacing undertone to it and it's a bit scary it has a bit you know yeah yeah i'm not really sure about this kind of thing and it's like a slayer with the first band that did that to me and but this does it too this has got that yeah yeah yeah like it's a bit unusual yeah and it's a bit you know it's not just following on it's not like no it's not just a metallica yeah you know i mean chuggy chuggy chuggy chuggy yes you know what i mean chuggy chuggy it's not that it's got this like do you know what i mean i'm gonna wait till you're asleep and then i'm gonna cut your toes off do you know what i mean yeah that's what it's got that yeah that's really strange you just said that i had a nightmare about that once did you yeah i'm going to talk to you about that off air yeah yeah yeah one of my favorite bits one of my favorite movies is lock stock and two smoking barrels yeah i i love it if if um for our american colleagues uh if you've not seen lock stock and two smoking barrels uh it's it's a guy richie movie but when there's no budget yeah it's kind of low low low rent uh thing um but there's a brilliant bit in there where he's got these two lads from liverpool who've come down to london and he's giving them this job right but we want them to break into a manor house and go and steal whatever they can get but he wants these guns out of the gun cabinet and that's their job so that in they go and there's this old couple in the in the manor house uh and and they kind of get them and and tie them up and then the camera follows one of them going through the gun cabinets yeah yeah and when he comes back he's got this old man and he's setting fire to his toes he's got like but then i love what i love about the scene is um paddy could probably tell us why this is so good but like he's he's like sitting there and then the two guys that are broken and now start fighting with each other yeah i remember this video why do you have to burn everybody's toes and said i'm trying to make him talk yeah why and it's just i i don't know there's just something exquisite about that i love movies don't you like me i yeah yeah i do yeah i love i absolutely love and i love those kind of offbeat you know just slightly off yeah off the beaten path i love those lock stock and two smoking barrels you should totally if you've not seen it if you've not watched it this month yeah the world would be a better place if everyone watched that i think that's it well before we hit record we're talking about you know what's going to sort the world out because everything's a big mess and maybe it's watching lock stock every week it is an alien an alien yeah yeah love alien yeah i i i i have i went through when i was a kid someone's a kid when i was a teenager i loved watching movies like just i i think just that thing that takes you away from reality for yeah and i i loved it i just it just yeah i wasn't i was never particularly analytical about movies but i i just loved their ability to take me away and and um and i lost a bit of that i think yeah probably through my 30s and 40s yeah yeah yeah yeah the last probably two or three years i'm looking forward to getting that back because i know exactly what you're talking about i've fallen back in love with it yeah again and it's just this ability for someone to lift me up and take me on a a journey yeah and it and it's interesting it's like um i love alien yeah just as much as i love spinal tap yeah and for the same reason things they're just they're just like storytelling the the arc the yeah the journey you go on yeah it is and i love i love something that will make me like a bit scared or a bit sad or something that's funny yeah yeah yeah i don't know there's just these there's just this like ability to yeah yeah yeah you know to just kind of pick you up and take you out of the world i'm so excited about a new spinal tap yeah yeah the clips look great yeah um and it's got elton john in it yeah i've not seen anything yet really i've not seen anything no oh it's so it's got elton john stonehenge yeah there are so few movies that can do that what what i mean how old spinal tap yeah this is it isn't it yeah yeah it's so much fun it's so much fun and just some stat like standards yeah like songs are standards they're a bit there are parts of that film which are just standards of comedy i i yeah i i we still quote it now we still so it's a weird so we're like doing you know going out to a gig and we got like we get we get inevitably wherever we go we get lost on the way um and everyone's like yeah rock and roll yeah you did that when we were invented we were all carrying boxes and we're in that everywhere was black yeah i just remember every like corridor we went down was black and then like dan was in the front and dan was like oh the door's locked yeah and then you tried another door and we opened another door and you went rock and roll and it was just like everyone knew what that meant doesn't get any more perfect and then that story where we it was like two o'clock in the afternoon we were just walking around these black like matte black like like you know um night club-esque it wasn't it was just like yeah black painted corridors like imagine a hospital with black matte black painted corridors yeah and then we just all walked out of this door and we were on a there was like a set like a drum and bass set happening we all just walked out oh and then walked slowly back in again it's mad yeah i've got one better okay i've got one better this is ultimate rock and roll this is so this is uh festival number six yeah um in port merion yeah so they took over port merion for a weekend i think it only happened for maybe four or four or five years maybe like that um and they you know they took over port merion and they turned the village or the town whatever it is into like a festival site and there's this beautiful part if you've if you've been to port merion yeah yeah it's beautiful yeah it's incredible so weird it's like a fantasy place yeah it's like i say it's like a hobbit village yeah yeah yeah yeah and there's a bit of it where it just goes into woodland yeah and up sort of up to the right on the cliffs yeah and i decided with my auntie karen to go for a walk in these woods um chris's auntie karen is legendary yeah you don't go anywhere you don't go anywhere without and we had to be on stage starting at either three or half past three in the afternoon something like that yeah and it was this kind of beautiful like pots like pepper pot kind of like lighthouse thing yeah um it's i say it's so surreal like you know we went on there and it was like we're on three different levels yeah um and and like i was looking around the crowd we were looking down on the crowd and then open then all the different and then like look to the left and that johnny vegas is stood there watching us and the pictures from there i think sal did them and yeah yeah they were great incredible really really crazy but anyway i was quite i could it fine like making it to the stage and the reason for this was because when we got into the woods we got so far in yeah and then got totally lost so we found our place to a cliff like cliffside path and then people sat there and i felt like i was at the opening scene of monkey island secret of monkey island during the day and that's what that felt like and i thought i better i better start you know we're getting there now i better walk back yeah and proceeded to get totally lost in the woods like like like like like like like lost my bearings yeah i lost foot no signal phones out but whatever and honestly i ran i ran like through the woods found a way somewhere um and then ended up on the stage plugging my things in about a minute or two after we were supposed to start and all the lads going where have you been yeah yeah and i went rock and roll oh yeah that was like bad that was that was well that's the worst that's the worst that's happened i think the thing is though you know the the spinal tap it quite clearly was written by somebody that has been and done those things yeah yeah because that's just the way it is yeah it's just the way it's a beautiful bit where they stood behind around like the memorial singing with the fingers and they just can't get it oh it's so good yeah no i i there's not many movies that do that bill and ted i still like for that a bit more slapstick but yeah yeah there's just something like so dry about spinal tap yeah where it's not comedy do you know what i mean it's not like no one's telling jokes no no one's trying to make you yeah yeah i mean that's the christopher guesting isn't it yeah it's this pure that situation yeah yeah and it's just the absurdity yeah i mean the bit where the bit where the stonehenge thing is tiny yeah so how many times people must do that yeah yeah yeah stonehenge all every time yeah it's good um i don't know what we're doing a podcast sorry we digressed well we're going to be going in an hour that's good that's very good with the inter when the with the interviews and the music this will be a two-hour job this one what i was going to say is i had a plan for next week's oh show yeah i was going to bring i've got your 1990s cd wallet yeah from your car massive in it in my house yeah and i thought all this week yeah it's been on my desk yeah yeah i think it's gonna be dead good i'm gonna take it in for chris yeah i'm gonna give it to him and then chris can choose yeah which one we're gonna do oh and it's still on my desk next week we will do that so shall we do you shall we um play a music yeah and then maybe we'll think about what we do next i've got an idea oh which i'll voice while we're playing the music yeah and then and then we'll see and then we'll see whether you like the idea or not i don't you know what i'm let's just do it you haven't got the idea yet you might not like it you've never had have you ever had a bad idea we've never had a bad idea have we no no they've all been brilliant good ideas we did good so so i shall repeat myself so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so i'm so so so i'm so so i'm so i'm so i'm so i'm i'm so i'm so i'm so I stand upon the free man, my face I have free him I don't know what might have lost, I won't be lost anymore I stand upon the free man, my face I have free him I stand upon the free man, my face I have social equality To live again won't be a lie I stand upon the free man, my face I stand upon the free man, my face I have free him I stand upon the free man, my face I have free him I stand upon the free man, my face I have free him What are we doing then? We're back! Because my idea, I said my idea and you were very supportive and went oh! Was I supportive? Yeah you were quiet and then you told me why it was a crap idea and I agreed and went oh yeah you're probably right actually, so we won't even tell what the idea was I was going to say, I was going to go with the flow that this was your idea Oh really? Yeah I was going to get this idea, so what we decided to do is to do Soulfly Yes Next Yeah yeah yeah Because I think it, I think, I think it Which was kind of related to my idea Well you wanted to do Arise Yes I have to be, Arise I had on CD Yeah Which I have found in the garage Is that how you say, that's how you'd be posted So I found it in the garage and it reminded me like how much I listened to that record You know there are some records that you listen to and you're like that's a great record Yeah yeah yeah And you listen to a bit Yeah And like Hand Justice for All was like that I liked Hand Justice for All, I had it on tape, I listened to it on the bus into college But it had a relatively short shelf life for me, probably a year Yeah yeah yeah And then it kind of went, whereas Beneath The Remains and Arise Yeah, they were just stapled Oh yes, absolutely stapled, yeah Every time you got like, if you know, every, when I got a car Yeah They would have been in there Yeah yeah yeah Without shadow of a doubt, right, and I'd have listened to it So you wanted to do that and I kind of thought that's dead good, it's such a good album But Yeah The story You let me down really nicely The story is basically the same as this one Yes yeah yeah There's not a great, it's like, you know, same people You said, rubbish idea in the nicest possible way I've had training So we're going to go for Soulfly But I thought Soulfly Yeah yeah yeah Soulfly is actually like what you meant to say Yeah Training 101 Isn't it Yeah yeah yeah That's where you, because it is that, for me, that is like the next step Yeah Not necessarily the next album No But it's the next step But it's the next step Yeah yeah yeah And we could, I, I, I, it's going to be really cool Because I've not listened to that record Yeah yeah yeah In a long time And I'm quite looking forward to going back and listening to it Because at the time I remember loving it Yeah yeah yeah But it didn't stick with me quite in the same way as this Yeah yeah yeah yeah Yeah you see, I remember it coming out and going, oh Yeah yeah yeah There's, there's, there's the next chapter In fact, for me, I don't, again, it's time again So I'm not very good at time You're terrible at the time Yeah yeah yeah But it, for me, it's like, that's the precursor for Slipknot You know, the Soulfly energy The energy of that, not necessarily style or what they're playing But the energy of that music Yeah Almost like paved the way for what Slipknot became It was, yeah, I remember listening to Soulfly and it was I mean, it was huge at the time Yeah yeah yeah But yeah, I, that was an album that was You're right, it was an album that was just like, oh That's, you know, there's something bigger here Yeah yeah yeah Yeah, looking forward to that, I think it's good And then the week after that That's where we'll do the CD thing We are doing your CD flap thing Yeah yeah yeah Your CD flap holder Yeah But there's, there's some, there's some bonkers stuff in there Yeah yeah yeah In your, in your box of flaps My kids were like, what's in that, Dad? And I was like, oh, and that's Chris's CD box And Barney, why is it so heavy? You will not, I should ask you to guess how heavy it is Oh, I don't know, I'll bet it's ridiculous though It's like, it's absolutely full It's like 20 kilograms Is it really? I don't know, it's heavy Yeah yeah yeah It's, it's, it's, look, it's uncomfortable One-handed Yeah It's that heavy You're like, oh, that's a bit You know what I mean? You kind of, it's, but it's just, it's just the CDs That's what, it was a lot of LimeWire and burning That was, that's what That's what that CD collection was How about there's some malware still in there? Yeah That'd be great Yeah, there's even a couple of DVDs somewhere Are there? With lots and lots and lots of stuff on I didn't see, I didn't see that No, I don't think they would have been in there They might have been in a tower A little plastic tower I know where they are They're in the garage at home Are mine It's just, I've just, you know Like I can't multitask, right? But I do have bits where, where my brain just disappears And then comes back Yeah, yeah And I'm quite fortunate I can keep talking while my brain does that So like, it feels like, talking feels subconscious Passing And my brain just goes And while you were speaking Yeah I thought LimeWire, Lars Ulrich Yeah Lars Ulrich Yeah Will come and burn your toes Yeah That's your nightmare Your nightmare this week will be Yeah, Lars Ulrich Burning your toes Burning your toes I've got a Lars Ulrich story as well You burned, you, you, you, you Burned my CD onto this I'm going to burn your toes Yeah Now I've got a Lars story from Bloodstock Oh yeah To tell you But I can't do it on this Oh And what was the other story I was going to tell you Will we get taken off Oh, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the toes off story Yeah Yeah I'll talk to you about those in a moment That sounds quite scary Yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah But I think we're done, aren't we Done, done This has been really We've done, oh, 80, like another hour Thank you Another hour and a half episode that people, people listen to People do listen to it and they should listen to it And so if this is you listening to this one Well done you Well done you And, yeah Statistically You are in America And you are listening on iHeartRadio Probably in your car Probably on your way to work Yeah Or on your way home for work Yeah And I hope we've entertained you a little bit And I hope that you go and listen to Beneath the Remains There we go Because it's mega Yeah, yeah, yeah You should do that And, uh, for homework For next week You should listen to Soulfly now Yeah And then Yeah, yeah, yeah You'll be You'll be That's a good idea We haven't said about homework No Get prepared, listen to it It is, yeah, yeah, yeah You could do that too No, I'm not doing it Do you know We had this running joke Where, like, where I would make fun of you Saying we would get into the studio And you would say What are we doing Yeah You've not done that for ages You were well prepared I've done really good You had everything done And just Brilliant Yeah, been good Brilliant You're not at work though, are you, at the minute No So you're, like, chilled out Yeah, yeah, yeah And then you're back at work soon Yeah So you'll go back to normal then Yeah And it's winter next Yeah Is it winter, autumn Same thing, innit It's cold It's cold or warm Do you know, my youngest went out He asked Alexa what the temperature was And she said it was 19 degrees Yeah And he was, oh And he ran upstairs and brought, like, a coat down I mean, it's been, like, 25 degrees Yeah, yeah, yeah For, like, a week or so, hasn't it Yeah, yeah But it just made me giggle Yeah I was, like, dude, what are you doing Yeah I was, like, it's winter Yeah No, it's not winter yet Do you not remember what winter's like? It's like this It's 19 degrees So there you go There we go It'll be winter and dark soon Yeah Miserable Yeah It's, like, a steady I think I'm alright with winter I'm probably better with winter than I am with summer, I think I like winter because I get to wear hats Yes, of course And I like wearing, I like it getting cold enough to wear hats Yeah But I don't like the lack of daylight I want somewhere where it's cold Yeah But light Yeah, yeah Like, is that the Antarctic? Yeah, that'll do They do that, don't they? They have Yeah I think they've made the right decision Yeah Because they have lots of sunlight Yeah Cold Yeah And you get to have, like, snow Yeah, and nobody, no people Yeah, fewer people, for sure Yeah I, um I remember watching a documentary on sleigh Slaying dogs Slayed, slayed dogs Oh, I thought you meant like vampire slaying I was just like, it's a documentary on slaying Like Buffy Or being like, you know, like, slay Slay is like Yeah Being hot, isn't it now? Or slay queen and all that Oh, is it? So, so you were watching a documentary about that What happened to Buffy? They've done a reboot Have they? Yeah, one of the many things that there's a reboot of Sarah Michelle Gala Yeah That was dead good I liked that Anyway, I watched this thing I watched this thing about I watched this thing Like a documentary about How you get around in the snow Yeah And that And they were using dogs And they had sleighs And they were going through Going through And, and the interviewer Was, was talking about Preparation Like preparation and stuff And what do you, how do you do And everything And, and, and it was all good And then they went on their first kind of day's leg Yeah, yeah, yeah Of their, their thing And then, um It's just, it's just really funny So they, they get there And the interviewer's kind of Turned the camera on himself a little bit And is, is, you know Reflecting on his day On the sledge Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah On the sleigh And he said, um You know She said, I don't know why this is like Alarming to me But nobody warns you That the dogs Go to the toilet While they're running And they're ahead of you So, you spend the entire day Having, like, dog ones and twos Thrown at you Yeah, yeah, yeah In your face Yeah Everywhere And it doesn't go down It goes up At you And it's But this is the look of, like, semi-horror His face just like Like, just spent all day Well, it's not in the manual Like, dog wee and dog poofy Yeah Being thrust at my face Frozen Dog wee and dog poofy Thrust at my face For the last ten hours Does it get, like, freeze on its way I don't know But, yeah, it sounded I mean, I'm not an expert I'm anyway But, yeah, that's what it sounded like I think It just made me laugh I want to see a video of it Just to see what it does Just so funny It's like a slow-mo Yeah, just dog Apparently, they just It just comes out I mean, they can't stop, can they? Hang on a minute Hang on a minute Yeah, yeah, yeah So it just comes out And then, you know Obviously, like, you imagine the front dog Yeah, yeah Does its turd Yeah And then the dog behind Is flicking that up With its butt And then that Yeah, but you're probably getting it With a bit of snow So it's like a slushie, isn't it? Oh, God Starbucks are quite like a frappapua Shattachino Yeah, Shattachino Oh, God Oh, God Yeah Yeah, yeah That's what it would be like That's exactly what it would be like I just, I love I love seeing Like, you know Like one-on-one footage Like Blair Witch kind of Yeah, yeah, yeah Close footage Where somebody's horrified about something Yeah Love that Or really disappointed Yeah You know, in the horror of something Yeah, yeah, yeah It's that human Yeah, it was brilliant I'm going to try and find that I'll send it to you later Yeah Shall we We're a bit off topic now Oh, we're gone That was a few minutes of it as well I did You said something Did I? Yeah, and I thought That could be our new sign-off You said it a minute ago And it was something like You said like Oh, well done, you Well done, you Yeah, that's a nice sign-off, isn't it? I do mean that Because if you've got this far Yeah, well done Yeah, yeah, yeah And I hope you have a Because statistically Like I said, statistically You are an American Yeah You are listening on iHeartRadio And you're probably on the way to work Or you're on the way home So if you're on the way to work Hope it's a good day And the people you work with Aren't complete dickheads And if you're on your way home Maybe have something nice for dinner Yeah Or tea Or I don't know what you can have Probably you have a burger I love American food Yeah And I love Yeah, we have that quite often Okay A burger Kids get dead excited Yeah, yeah, yeah Burgers for dinner Yeah, yeah Or tea Yeah I don't know the rules Of whether you say dinner or tea In the UK It depends on whether you're Northern or Southern Yeah, yeah There is a Did you know this There's a line Is there Above which You say tea Yep Below which You say What are we having for tea What are we having for dinner We say dinner Yeah If you go Should we say tea It's not much further north And it's not a straight line Oh really It's like Hadrian's Wall Yeah, the dinner and tea line I don't know if Hadrian's Wall Was a straight line or not I don't think it was I don't know Scotland The border of Scotland That's not I've got to go to Scotland I am Yeah I've got to do work up there I like Scotland I mean It's like the bit before Where there's not many people About the same In the summer It's full of people and midges Yeah And in the winter It's lovely No one Apart from Scottish people Yeah So I've got to go to Teddenborough Okay, yeah Oh no, that's quite busy I meant the other bits Where there's no one Actual Scotland Yeah Yeah, I've got to go Teddenborough And I'm there for a few days I've got to go I've got to go to London On the Monday Yeah And Teddenborough Yeah Wednesday and Thursday Yeah I'm going to Glasgow Oh, you? Yes I once got the train The midnight train From Glasgow to Edinburgh Yeah And it's one of the Most scary experiences Of my life Drunk Scottish Very drunk Scottish people On a Wednesday night Yeah At one o'clock in the morning That's a That's a phenomenal If you want to write Like a comedy Or you want to write something You're looking for material Of people to write about Yeah Go on that train Yeah Because it's nuts Yeah It's properly Properly nuts What were you doing in Oh, I could do I could do like promotion I could do an actual Yeah, go on then Thing that like People are supposed to do When they're in bands Right Oh, are you playing? Gigs Gigs in Edinburgh Yeah How are you going to get there? Glasgow Up You're never going to get there All of you are not going to get there At the same day Yeah, so There's the 13th of September That's the Sonic Boom Festival In Burton Yeah, that's not in Edinburgh Yeah, no That's in Burton-on-Trent Which is in the Midlands Yeah Where we say dinner Dinner Yeah And then we're going up north To Newcastle To Think Tank Newcastle I liked it Yeah, that was a good laugh That took like seven hours It took a long time Yeah, it was a long time It's a good laugh though I like that So that's the 19th of September Yeah And that's the Think Tank And that's with Big Iron Oh, good And then we're going up further Yeah Up more To Glasgow To the Cat House Ooh And then the Cat House That's going to be the 20th That's the next day 20th of September Are you going to do a proper It's a proper one So you're going to have a van That's why I'm doing it in sequence So you're going to have a van Yeah And then you're going to meander all the way up Yeah, yeah Door will come off at some point And then Paddy will just meet you Looking fresh and relaxed Yeah, no, I think we're on it We're on it together And then to run their Cat House Yeah That's the 20th of September And then we're coming down to Stockport For the Mercury Climbing Festival On the 21st, the Sunday I've worked in all of those places Oh yeah Yeah What's your favourite? I don't know I've got I've got Like Glasgow I really like My friend lives up in Glasgow And we had We had Yeah We had a really nice time up there Lovely curry I went to a nice museum With my friend Rich Because we went to watch Brian Cox at the O2 The night before Yeah And then there was lots of cones Everywhere on the statues Obviously Yeah, yeah We My friend was a massive Oasis fan Yeah And literally pointed Oasis did that Oasis Yeah, yeah, yeah Oasis did everything in Glasgow So we did a lot of pointing of that When we were up there We had a really good time Got the train Yeah I'm not sure I'd do that again Yeah Stockport I loved I worked there For For like two or three weeks And we all went out And we went to a pub And it had a sign saying No women in the bar I thought it was a joke It's not a joke It's not a joke And they're like Well why would the women want to go in the bar? Oh God Women go in the lounge Oh And I'm like What's the difference between the bar and the lounge? Yeah There's women in the lounge Brilliant I love Stockport It was so good for that Yeah, yeah Yeah, I had a really good laugh there And We always used to play a venue in Stockport Called The Blue Cat Oh That was brilliant I don't think it exists anymore But lovely man Danny Donnelly Ran it And Oh yeah We caused some havoc up there That was good That's I quite like that Northeast Yeah Lovely Bonkers Don't own coats No I had a mentor from the northeast Called Conrad He was lovely Proper Proper Bonkers Lovely man Didn't own a coat So you'd be in London in February In minus ten Yeah No coats No coats Sometimes would wear a jumper Yeah Usually just a short sleeved shirt Yeah That's kind of how he How he attended the world In shorts Yeah Yeah that's kind of how he Short hair as well Yeah yeah Super short hair That's how he How he attended the world Always remember him For having Having He was making me giggle Thinking about This That he had This is not that long ago Had an Original Hard drive iPod Oh wow With every episode Of Heartbeat on it And that's what he used to do Oh god And then Oh god You're making me You're making me giggle And then The young kids Would come in And then They'd say something like Oh Have you seen Lost Yeah And he would then go on This diatribe rant About how awesome Heartbeat was And then force them To watch it With a post from Nick Berry Yeah Episode 706 Of Heartbeat Was so much better Than anything There Watch what happens here In like And then yeah Nick Berry would come out And it would be On his bike Oh honestly They don't make him Like that anymore They don't make people Like that anymore Either No No He wouldn't be allowed To do that anymore He's retired now Is he He wouldn't be allowed To force Like you know These Youngsters The noobies Yeah Watching this This is quality television Literally Like you'd be in a pret In London Yeah And all sitting around And obviously the kids Would want to go out Drinking and that And he'd force them To watch an episode Of Heartbeat On his iPod And he was there What's that He goes It's an iPod Yeah What's that dude Yeah And he'd be like Hey let me tell you This has got every episode Of Heartbeat It's one of the first songs I learned to play a guitar That was We're still going What I know I can see your things Still going Oh god We better go We better go Sorry Oh no That's a better sign off That's so good Sorry Sorry Is the most Is the most Riffology sign off We could ever do Sorry mum Yeah Sorry Yeah See you next week Sorry Sorry you