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RIFF060 - Foo Fighters - Foo Fighters

04 August 2025 ·63 min ·Season 2025

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When The Nirvana Drummer Became The Frontman Nobody Expected

Hosts: Neil & Chris
Duration: ~63 minutes
Release: 4 August 2025

Episode Description

Chris and Neil tackle the Foo Fighters' self-titled debut, the improbable 1995 record that launched Dave Grohl from grieving Nirvana drummer to reluctant solo artist. The album arrived wrapped in secrecy, 100 cassette tapes distributed anonymously around Seattle under a band name chosen to deflect attention. Nobody knew it was Dave. He'd recorded everything himself in just six days at Robert Lang Studios, playing all instruments, writing lyrics in the vocal booth, convinced his voice was weak and needing to quad track everything for reassurance. What followed was 900,000 US sales by year's end and the formation of one of rock's most enduring bands.

The hosts explore Dave's strange position post-Kurt Cobain, idolizing Nirvana's songwriting while never contributing, then discovering he had this stash of songs he'd never shown anyone. The album became cathartic, a way to process grief through music rather than abandoning it entirely. Sunny Day Real Estate members joined to form the live band, and suddenly the drummer who'd played fifth fiddle in Nirvana had a number three UK debut. Chris loves the raw, unpolished sound, how it captures a moment in time without studio trickery. They discuss Dave's inability to read music, his ear-driven approach to melody, and how tracks range from punk fury like I'll Stick Around to the Beach Boys-tinged Big Me with its bizarre mint commercial video.

What You'll Hear:

Dave Grohl's imposter syndrome, recording an album he never intended to release while idolizing Kurt's songwriting genius
The Buck Rogers XZ-38 disintegrator pistol cover art designed by Dave's first wife, and how the press lazily claimed it referenced Kurt's death
Barrett Jones co-producing in secrecy, Dave paying for everything himself and owning the catalog through Roswell Records
Released 26 June 1995 UK, the album debuted at number 23 Billboard, number three UK, selling 40,000 copies first week
Touring 100 shows in 1995, another 179 in 1996, building the grind ethic that defined Foo Fighters for decades
Track discussions including the Nirvana-adjacent I'll Stick Around, the 50s jangle of Big Me, and For All The Cows as an odd single choice

Featured Tracks & Analysis:

This Is A Call kicks things off with post-grunge energy and pop hooks that metal fans adopted bizarrely. I'll Stick Around channels Nirvana rage with quad-tracked vocals Dave used because he hated his voice. Big Me delivers summer jangle and that surreal video where the band helps a woman whose Mini is blocked by moving her car and popping mints. The album feels alive, slightly undercooked in the best way, a collection of riffs and beats assembled without overthinking. Dave tracked everything in sequence as it appears on the record, vocals often written moments before recording, creating this snapshot authenticity that remastering would ruin.

Tangential Gold:

Chris's work event salvation via someone wearing a Foo Fighters t-shirt, the universal heavy metal handshake for introverts
Danny Bennett friendship soundtracked by Amiga 500/600 sessions playing Worms, Captain Planet, and Lemmings while this album looped
YouTuber consortium buying Commodore, restoring nerd credibility to retro computing while Chris fantasizes about retirement coding
Buck Rogers, Twiggy references, wristwatch repair ASMR, blacksmithing videos, and Project Binky car restoration obsessions
Festival attendance realities, backaches, delicate keyboard hands versus hot forging requirements, toilet respites with physics textbooks
Riffology community gratitude spanning 70 countries, mostly 40s/50s British/American listeners whose families hate metal

Why This Matters:

The Foo Fighters debut represents one of rock's most improbable success stories, a drummer recording demos alone while processing trauma, accidentally creating a blueprint for three decades of arena dominance. Dave Grohl's transformation from Nirvana's timekeeper to frontman happened because he kept the songs to himself, embarrassed to share them with Kurt, convinced they weren't good enough. The raw production, the quad-tracked insecurity vocals, the lyrics scribbled in vocal booths, these aren't flaws but proof of authenticity. This album sounds like the beginning of something because it was, captured before polish and overthinking could dilute the urgency. It's a grief document disguised as a rock record, and it launched the hardest-working band in the business.

Perfect for: Nirvana completists curious about Dave's hidden songwriting, grunge survivors adjusting to post-Kurt 1995, quad-tracked vocal apologists, Buck Rogers pistol enthusiasts, Amiga 500 Lemmings nostalgists, anyone who thinks remastering ruins authenticity, Roswell Records ownership models admirers, and people who believe the best albums happen when you're not trying too hard.

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Speaker0:00 we're here hello hello hello what's your name chris what's your name i'm neil this is ruthology we're doing about the food fighters first album all the all the important information that's it done just go um i remember i think um i think this album's really interesting yes thank you it's a great story behind it fascinating i love the arc yeah of um like dave growl ascending into being a god yeah do you know what i mean and then just being like people praising him yeah and then and then the internet turning on him and like oh recently yeah yeah i don't like him anymore yeah yeah i just think it's this thing isn't it where you know we idolize these people yeah but it's like we just want to rip them apart really you know it's it's it's i just think it's bizarre it's absolutely bonkers but it's just they came from all let's say they came from nowhere but they you know this album so the original food fighters record no one no one knew it was coming no one expected it um did really well it was a bit weird it's got some it's got it's like it's it's not what you expect no no but great um and then launched them into the stratosphere and then each album just got bigger and bigger and bigger until they uh like do you remember that series of shows that they did where dave growl had his broken leg yes yeah yeah and um they would quite often get like people out on stage and to be they'll get like uh local like kid guitarists out to play on on on stage and stuff and the videos for that would get like 10 million views huge huge huge huge yeah yeah but it is it was that it was well you know about the point where they brought out the pretender wasn't it that was like oh that was what a band i mean you're absolutely huge humongous you just no missteps were there it was just like banger after banger after banger and they were all throughout that period they were just cool yeah there was nothing like nirvana were cool yes you know there was like some yeah because there's always an ebb and flow with that isn't there there's bands that are cool for a bit and then not so cool for a bit i think it's like whether you're fashionable isn't it yeah you know i mean like oasis have been through this yes where oh there's a point in time where you you wouldn't you wouldn't talk about them there's never a point that oasis were not cool yeah they're always but fashionable yes yeah yeah maybe they're not not they're not fashionable anymore but um but they were you know like liam's always cool yeah yeah do you know what i mean he's always like he's all and i think um yeah that there was this but they just never seem to go out of fashion foo fighters they just seem to be um they're just in no doing their thing but they work hard they're a hard-working band you know when you look at their back catalog and they're obviously they're obviously constantly at it you know touring and writing and uh recording and you know that this is obviously this is quite literally their full-time job isn't it this is what they do well it certainly was for it for a long time i always compare it to getting into a relationship where long distance relationships are always really difficult when you live in the same city it's easy and when you get along with the people it's you know it makes a lot easier feeling comfortable with the rest of the band helps a lot so i don't really feel like it's just me in the front i feel more like there's the four of us and then the end of the stage and then the audience so the difference between the record and the band is such a great difference that now when i listen to the album i feel like there's something missing you know so i actually prefer listening to live performances than than the album and um i'm just looking forward to the next record more than looking back on the last one there was an ep i think called was it pocket watch oh right okay um uh that got released and it was just some demos that he did yeah just record some of these songs off this first half no before that no yeah it's 92 okay but it's really interesting i heard uh an interview with him essentially idolizing yeah um the the songs in nirvana like the the songwriting so the the songs that kurt cobain had written in nirvana but it's difficult because when you're in a band with someone like um like kurt he's such a great songwriter that you don't want to like you don't want to pollute anything you're like okay well everything's it's going really well you know no one knew you could play all these instruments and stuff and you obviously you're a really talented musician so you know how much of that did you bring in nirvana how much of those songs were yours in nirvana see what you mean yeah and he was just like i didn't touch them no no no that's just kurt's that's good yeah that's kurt's thing and they were perfect yeah yeah they did not touch them at all so he would then go into the studio and get his like some of his creative kicks if you like from doing his doing his own stuff um but there's a lovely bit where uh somebody asked him these the songs for this album the debut were they recorded like before um you know kurt's death and he said yeah they're you know some of these i'd i'd got for for a while and some of them came after but some of them were a while it's in the songs yeah the songs yeah and and they were saying what did you what did kurt make of them i said i would never share them yeah and it was this thing where he didn't share them with any anyone and he was almost uh i thought embarrassed me i don't know there was just something where he was like i'm not you know it's one of those though isn't it where you're you know you're with that you're in the band with the guy that wrote smells like teen spirit yeah you know all these absolute standards of of of song of song craft in in in that kind of grunge world you're probably not gonna no you know like i can't hold a candle to that you know after losing a member of your band you don't ever want to play music again but that will change you know and you'll soon realize that that i mean music is the only thing that i really really really really love to do and so you know for a few months i stopped and then i just started feeling like i gotta keep on i have to do more i have to do more so that was it i just think he's crazy though that that whole that whole thing where he's he's got these things he doesn't think anyone's gonna notice or anyone's gonna care records them or and all the tracks on here are recorded pretty much by dave crowl yes dave he did all the instruments and then there was a producer and then i think the guy from ecstatic that's it did did a bit of guitar and actually there's a song is there a song called ecstatic on it yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so there's a there's a little bit so he did additional so it's greg duly who did additional guitar and ecstatic um you can see that is that this and it's a kind of cathartic process yeah yeah to go through the creation of this this particular record um but i i don't know i just love the fact that he just went off into a studio for and i think it's like 10 days or something it wasn't a huge amount of time and just like bashed them all out yeah and then he gave tapes away yeah and then it was just gonna do like 100 tapes yeah there's a hundred cassettes it's called it foo fights because he wanted it to be like a band yeah not not a solo didn't want it to sound like there weren't anyone to guess it was him yeah yeah and because he was embarrassed that people was always the drummer from i just hate the word solo it's so gross you know like if i wanted to be a solo artist then i would have called myself you know like david snake pit or just like lenny kravitz or something you know i mean that's that's when he decides like he wants to be like solo like it's just me you know and i don't want to do that and yeah and then and then the record label started to hang on a minute you know this is all right can we yeah yeah yeah can we talk about it um i i like you know we did the um definitely maybe from the oasis definitely maybe it's that one of those improbable stories yeah you know if you were if you were writing the movie script right and you did it and you pitched the movie script you'd get a what what really it's not very believable is it you know and it feels a bit like that you know being in this huge band and the lead singer dies and then yeah you know and actually the drummer turns out to be like dead talented but has had nothing to do with the writing of the songs no exactly yeah yeah yeah there was sort of no there was no precursor to it was it at all no it's i it's that's the bit that i think is like this is this improbable thing where you ended up clearly somebody that like immense songwriting talent in a massive band with amazing songs but didn't have anything to do with those yeah yeah that's not it's so improbable yeah yeah i mean you know the way we function is really not that different than any garage band that lives in your neighborhood we're we're normal people we're friends and we get together and we write songs on our own we're just kids right playing music we do it for the same reason we did we were doing it back then and i think that you know when you when you go through that kind of stuff like johnny went to college and this guy quit because his parents were mormon and didn't want him in the band anymore and we like a band like us we went through the same thing uh but we had to do the whole thing we had to do it in public in front of everybody i was the fifth drummer in nirvana they had a lot of drummers they were from aberdeen washington and so but they're they're early drummers one of their early they're the people that were in the in nirvana before i joined were just bananas they were all just crazy like the first one of them drove a truck through like a supermarket window once with the mayor's daughter in the truck you know and this other guy the first time i met their first drummer we were at a laundromat and he comes in and he goes hey man and he hands me some quarters and he goes i'm gonna get in this dryer put those quarters in once you close the door okay so he gets in this dryer and i put the quarters in and that was that's what you gotta do to be in nirvana you know but it was the it so it was the kind of thing where the where the label were then interested so he had to form it he had to form a band he had to to kind of make make a band but sunny day real estate yeah had recently called it a day and split up so a couple of those guys obviously kind of jumped in and you know they i think they were all friends and they were hanging out and that sort of thing happened you get the feeling that's kind of how dave rolls yes yeah yeah who's around yeah yeah it's just like oh yeah you'll do you know i mean and then and then you come and jam for a bit and if you get on you know what i mean and if if if you get on then oh yeah you're in or if you're not you're not yeah yeah you do get the feeling it's just a bunch of mates hanging about yeah play music you know it's there's that what was the documentary um it was great yeah there was sound city but there was also there was not is it sonic highways was another one and i think there was yeah there was a couple but there was one which was almost like the story of the formation and the development of the band and no it was sonic highways i think i think you know and they were there's a barbecue where so they're having this barbecue and they're still writing the record yeah yeah and um his daughters are all around him going oh come on come on come and play the god because i've got to finish these and he was writing the lyrics in his kitchen yeah yeah for the album and you kind of thought oh well you know obviously he's got tons of experience and then he can do that but then reading about this album that's pretty much how this one was done as well there's like studio notes and stuff saying that he was writing the lyrics yeah like in the vocal booth yeah yeah yeah it's kind of in there uh but it's laid down most of the the tracks and then he would go and do some of the vocals and be like you know and then he'd get his little pen out and he'd be writing the lyrics in in the vocal i don't really think that it matters when songs were written if you think about it just because um because when trying to write every song differently than the last um you try not to have like period like a phase i'm not i'm going through this heavy phase man i can't get out of it you know i'm going through this acoustic phase you try to like you try to split everything up and mix it up i yeah to be fair though i i'm a bit like that are you yeah like there'll be some songs when you sing it you realize it's not quite right yes yeah yeah there's this there was some that that was definitely a like a star from ivy thing but that was definitely loads of the lyrics like we'd be performing them live yeah and there wouldn't be any words they were like gobbledygook sounds and what the what i thought the word phrasing should be and then suddenly there was a song that we got called the forever sun yeah and and probably for a year or a couple of years it had no lyrics it was just it was just like kind of gobbledygook books the odd phrase the odd word coming in yeah yeah and then it wasn't until the day before we actually recorded the vocals i wrote the thing and with me and dameron they're still this hotel in sheffield somewhere and and the word like i've got to probably write these words now because because we're recording it tomorrow but i can see i can see that and i can definitely i can definitely because with songwriting for me personally like the lyrics are the last things to come right quite a lot if i'm writing a song but whereas there might be a line there might be the odd thing but in terms of like the formation of the of the piece yeah you know quite often for me i know some people are different but the music comes first so i'd imagine that was what what it was here was a collection of riffs a collection of beats yeah and then how do you phrase this and put them together and then putting the lyrics and yeah it's it's funny isn't it there was did you i don't know whether it was oh i don't know whether this was pre or post aussie's death right but it was zach wilde talking about working with aussie yeah yeah yeah and he said you know for everyone gives aussie like you know people that are not in the industry would give out you know they just think everything's done they think he just like he's wheeled out yeah and he said they don't understand how amazing he was so so the thing that made aussie super special was this ability you you would be in the studio or in the rehearsal space or whatever and he said and i'd come in with like 30 riffs that i thought were great and aussie would whittle that down to five right right and then he had this ability to then come up with the melody the melody on top of that riff yeah so it would be this ability to kind of go and he he said like you know it was almost like it clicked you would play the riff to him and he'd go no no no stop that that one and then he do you know i mean then he would be like you know let's do it differently because you know obviously he wasn't a guitarist he'd be like so differently and then he'd say like as you would then get that riff and you would be kind of you know kind of riffing on that that riff that he that i'd showed him and then he'd like just come up with from nowhere this melody that would sit over the top and he was a killer for melodies and it was but he said he was all aussie it was all i was being able to pick this stuff and be able to get it i and you know there's a there's such a skill in that but where you can you it's done by ear uh and the reason i say that is because i think isn't dave growl like famously can't play an instrument right right so he doesn't he can't write music yeah he doesn't know what the chords i just plays the shapes and there's a lovely bit it was an interview with him where where someone's asking him how he learned to play the guitar he says i can't play the guitar i don't know what an f is yeah yeah yeah i don't know what a g is i have no idea yeah i literally don't know i've just learned if i put my fingers there it sounds good it's that sort of thing exactly oh yeah if i do this it makes that noise and i like that oh no i don't like that and that's and i don't know there's just this thing where um i think some people have that you know that that that ability to do that and clearly you know ozzy and and and dave growl they that some of the melodies and this album for the foo fighters record it's full of like like pop melody oh yeah i mean the top that then that that must be a kurt thing because kurt was amazing at that as well yeah yeah that's very true like the top line is like just you hear ones and it's an earworm yeah yeah and there's tracks on here though that are like like the heavy metal um community adopted and yeah yeah you're like what yeah you know this doesn't feel like this does not feel like a a kind of a rock no song no at all i mean there's somewhere it's got all it's almost old country jangly yeah yeah kind of yeah it sounds almost like 50s yeah you know i mean it's got like a really super summer pop thing yeah you know yeah but it's got it but the melodies and the hooks of that and i mean quite clearly that's in his brain you know if you can't if if you can't write music then that you've that's just got to live in your brain is that yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah you know what i mean it's just but there is there is like a a sort of web of of style styles from that neck of the woods yeah that sort of seattle washington um portland even you know that that kind of part of the world in america it's definitely got a sound to it yeah definitely got of like a kind of swampy sort of we've talked about summary thing yeah well we've where i i think i i always had this assumption it was the studio but i i don't think it is because it's a weird contradiction of of styles on this album there's like punk stuff on here there's tracks that sound like um i'll stick around yeah that to me sounds like it's off a nirvana record yeah yeah it's it's angry it's vibey i'm not a nirvana record yeah yeah i thought i made one all it took to bother you every word i said was true that you'll see it's all right if you're confused let me be i've been around all the pawns you gagged and mound he'll come back and knock you down it's not for me i've taken all that i've endured it's not for me i've taken all that i've endured it's not for me i don't know you i don't know you anything i don't know you anything i have no hair you were ever desperate man it would turn that when it lands what are you i should have known you were better off alone i looked in and i would show you you were too I'm taking it all when I've been here One day at all, the day I'm sure I don't know you anything I don't know you anything I don't know you anything I don't know you anything I don't know you anything I don't know you anything I don't know you anything I'll stick around, I'll stick around Turn my wall, keep my neck I'll stick around, I'll stick around Turn my wall, keep my neck I'll stick around, I'll stick around Turn my wall, keep my neck I'll stick around, I'll stick around Turn my wall, keep my neck I stand by rock music, that it'll absolutely always have the same impact on your music I stand by rock music, that it'll absolutely always have the same impact on a person Rock and roll can do the same thing that it can do when rock and roll was huge whether it was when the Beatles were huge, or Zeppelin was huge, or the police were huge but I mean if a kid goes out and picks up a high on fire record, some crazy heavy shit that probably no one in here has ever heard before and they listen to it and it makes them want to break a window, that's what rock and roll does Like the first time you hear AC/DC, you know, you get that feeling like, oh my god I'm gonna break stuff, you know So I mean that, like kids can find, they don't, kids find their own way of doing that, you know I don't want kids to play drums like me, I want kids to play drums like the kids, you know I had my favourite drummers for sure, but I think we both taught ourselves how to do what we do You know, we didn't go to school for this, we just, to be honest, we just listened to records and we weren't good at anything else, you know, we're lifers in that way, I'm a high school dropout It was either two male models or drummers But then you've got Big Me, which is not No, no, it's classic, kind of, you know, if you layered a load of stuff on it, it's almost a bit Beach Boise if you just a load of my harmony vocals and that sort of thing Yeah, and again, the vocals on this I think are really interesting I think Dave's vocals get better as he goes from album to album Partly because this stops layering it quite so much Yeah, there's a thing with his, like quad layering Yeah, because he wasn't confident with his voice We hear that from so many Like James Hetfield Yeah, yeah Hated his voice, he was only a temporary singer Yeah In Metallica And didn't like his voice, it was only Was it Bob Rock? Bob Rock got him to stop layering as much Right, okay He used to do that all the time, he didn't like that So it's bizarre, isn't it? You know, these people that you assume are going to be confident Yes Have this vision of what they want and actually When we talked about it last week, I actually don't necessarily have that That confidence you'd expect No, no I mean, how do you be a rock and roll star? Yeah, yeah And not, you know what I mean? And then, oh, I'm not a very good singer Yeah, yeah Shall we do some facts? Let's do some facts There's some fun facts on this one, I think I'm at the wrong place in my thing So it was released in 1995 I'm going to say 26th of June in the UK It's bizarrely, according to my notes It was released in the UK before the US I don't think that's correct But that's what it says online So that's what I'm going to go with It's tagged as post-grunge So that's got a keyboard in it? Is that the law of post? I think that just means after Nirvana Is that what that means? It says alternative rock, pop, post-grunge, punk rock Yeah That's a nice way of describing it though, isn't it? Really? That's what the AI described it as 12 tracks, 44 minutes long Yeah, yeah All quite short That's like your ideal length, isn't it? Yeah That's like 12 songs Yeah About 45 minutes Yeah, like that Job done Oh, that's good It's an album You listen to the album And then you listen to it again Yeah I like that It was on Roswell Records So the original If you see the original vinyl pressing of this It's all got like Roswell Records That's Dave's label, isn't it? Yeah Roswell Records is Dave Grohl's label That's it It's an imprint that he put it out through a major Yeah But he controls all the rights And it's, yeah, it's worth pointing out that he So he owns everything and then leases it to Sony Sony, yeah So, yeah, they're one of the few There can't be many bands that are in that situation And I guess it's that improbable scenario of having tons of cash Yeah Being able to fund it yourself and then say, screw you Yeah, yeah You know what I mean? If you want it, yeah, I'll license it to you But you're not having it The foundation of this band Is so perfect because everything that we've done We've never had this financial, this aggressive financial It's just been mellow like, let's make it about the music Let's not talk about money Let's just go have a good time All of these albums that we've put out They're on my label And I just license them to Sony VMG And so we own our whole catalog Nobody tells us how to do stuff But then being able to do that for the rest of his career Basically, I think that's really, really cool The original version, Dave did not tell who it was And just dished out a hundred cassettes Right To people in and around Seattle And no one knew And that's where the name Foo Fighters came from The UFOs, the Second World War UFOs And he thought it sounded like a band And didn't want it to sound like him So that's what he went for When I did that first record I was reading this book called Above Top Secret And it was all about people that were in the Air Force And the Marines and around the world Talking about this crazy stuff that they've seen I read the words Foo Fighters And I thought, oh, maybe I'll call it that Because I didn't want people to know it was just me If I had a name like Foo Fighters They'd imagine it was a group of people Famously hates the name Because it's stupid Which I just think It's too far along now though, isn't it? Yeah, you can't change it now, can you? You know, I'm really happy with what's happened Over the last 16 years We're really lucky And I love being in this band But honestly, Foo Fighters is like The stupidest f***ing band name you've ever had It's a horrible name The reason why I called it Foo Fighters Was because The first thing that I recorded Was I did it by myself And I played all the instruments I played drums and guitar and bass And sang And I made this cassette But I didn't want people to know it was me Because I didn't want people to think like Oh, that guy from Nirvana Is trying to start another band So I just called it Foo Fighters Because it sounded like a group of people But it stuck And it stayed all this time And I just can't believe If I knew that We would be here Would there have been a point Where he could have changed it? Yeah, I don't know Because there was a bit where There was the bit where Taylor Hawkins joined Wasn't there? Because he wasn't the original Yeah, no, he wasn't He was a bit later Yeah, he was, yeah That might have been an opportunity To change it, yeah To change it What would you change it to? Band names are stupid What would you call a band? It's just like Yeah Do you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah, mad It sold 900,000 copies In the US By the end of 95 So in six months So it did I think it did really, really well That's crazy, isn't it? It came really from Saying they're basically demos I mean, that's the thing It sounds like demos It's a demo album, really In terms of like It isn't Because it's obviously Really well played And that sort of thing But you'd imagine Somebody else might have gone That's great Let's re-record it With the band now Oh, yeah It might be I wonder if Dave Told them to get lost Yeah, maybe Because it's got For me, the thing that makes this One of my favourite albums For Free Fighters Is that The fact that it sounds A bit raw It doesn't This doesn't sound No one agonised over Clip timing and stuff To this And, you know It's And I think They're better for it It's Each track sounds A little bit different And the I don't know There's like It feels alive I think it's important To write To have an album With 12 songs That none of the songs Sound the same So different arrangements Different moods Like happy songs Sad songs Quiet songs Loud songs Every song Soft songs And so that Instead of an album Of 12 songs That sound exactly the same You try to Break it up And make it Make everything different So you can put it On the album At the beginning And listen to it All the way to the end It sounds authentic Yeah You know what I mean It sounds what it is And I quite like that Yeah, yeah, yeah It's really, really cool The album really came Half of the album Came from The loss of Kurt Cobain And Dave And Dave Dealing with that But basically I think he struggled With Lots of interviews Talking about Initially never wanting To play ever again And then Realizing there was A cathartism About music And doing that And that's what He decided to do And that's where The band came from When Kurt passed away Nobody could imagine Playing music Ever again Really It was difficult To listen to music And then I realized Oh wait There's healing In music Maybe that's What's going to Make me feel better Same as with Nate And William They were in Sunny Day real estate And that band Had ended prematurely And so So this became A vehicle for everyone To feel like You know Life goes on The ball keeps rolling You know It's the same feeling Like my buddy Jimmy passed away We'd known each other Since we were Five or six years old We were best friends And he died And I was I'm still heartbroken But you know The chorus of that song That song Is basically saying Like you know Words mean nothing Without action And so I could write A love song About how much I love someone Or I could write About how much I miss someone But there's just words You know So to me It's all about Like moving forward And actually Like doing something You recorded At Robert Lang Studios In Seattle Yeah Some And then they recorded The tracks Some were mostly written Some were written During the time Of Nirvana Others were Written afterwards But Almost all of them Were finished off In the studio There were a hundred Vinyl LPs pressed Oh were there Right Apparently so Yeah I've never seen one No But given Given the fact That I can't even Get a copy Of the Goo Goo Dolls Superstar Car Wash For less than a kidney I would Well I would wager That they are Stupidly expensive Let's talk about the cover Yes Do you know about the cover No I don't But it's that kind of like It's that like It's almost like a UFO gun Isn't it You're going to love this You're going to love this Do you know whose gun that is No Buck Rogers Is it So it's Buck Rogers XZ-38 disintegrator pistol Didn't know that at all Chosen for its sci-fi appeal Yes And it was designed By Jennifer Youngblood Do you know who she is That's Dave's First wife Wife Dave's first wife Yeah Now Do you know what The press Jumped So bear in mind It's sci-fi It's Buck Rogers It's cool It's sci-fi Great It's called Food Fighters That's got a Do you know what Do you know what the press Came up with It's a reference to Kurt Cobain's Killing himself You're joking Dickheads Cheap Cheap Cheap Not doing the homework Yeah yeah yeah Lazy For those fans of the show That listened before We need dinosaurs To come and deal with Those people That's how you deal with Dickheads Dinosaurs But it's a cool t-shirt This is This is a cool If you've got this I remember being at work Yes And I work in a very nerdy job And sometimes When Like Nerds like me often Like dealing with strangers Is quite difficult Yeah You know when you've got A room full of people You don't know I just go and sit in the toilet Yeah Or I do that I used to go and do When I was presenting a lot I used to go and I had this Tiny physics book By Richard Feynman Called Six Easy Pieces Which was the Caltech The original Caltech lecture So if you were a Physics undergraduate At Caltech This would be the Physics undergraduate course And I had it in a book And I used to go and sit Like I'd find like a dark corner Somewhere And I used to go and sit And read it Wow And that kind of Made me feel calm And then I would be able To go and deal with people And I was doing an event We were at We were in Reading So we were in In Reading This big event Loads of customers there Loads of people there Didn't know anybody And I was a bit nervous And somebody came in Like One of Like the people That were on my side Of the fence Came in With a Foo Fighters With this Foo Fighters Album t-shirt on And I was just like Yeah you're alright And then that So I went and sat with him Yeah His name was Adrian And he was He was alright Yeah So that's how you tell If people are alright Yeah if they've got that shirt If they've got Yeah but this is a cool t-shirt So that's pretty cool See with me It was the You know last week We were speaking about Performance and cocktails And I spoke about my friendship With Martin Book Yeah yeah And how that was quite A thing of our friendship Yeah This one was a different friendship It was with Danny Bennett Another friend Yeah We were a little bit younger He used to go around His quite a lot Yeah And play on Amiga Oh the 500 No he had the 600 Oh And I had the 500 plus Oh nice And we used to play on that Team 17 Yeah What else did you play on Well we did all that For a bit Was it Worms Worms yeah Yeah there was Worms And there was Captain Planet that I had There was Lemmings There was all those sorts of things Lemmings was dead good On the Amiga Yeah it was And then he ended up Getting the SNES So he had like The Mario Kart And those sort of things We used to play Around his But this was an album That was always on He'd always have this album On when we were When we were doing stuff So While we're off topic Do you Do you Again you're going to love this You know like Commodore doesn't really Exist anymore Yes Yeah A YouTuber's bought it No way Honestly Like a YouTuber Who loves retro computing Yeah Yeah Has pulled a consortium together Important And they bought Commodore Wow So they're now Relaunching and redoing You know sometimes You see things And you just think I don't like I don't like Any of the things That you're talking about Yes This was just like I love everything about it This is the best thing ever And they're just talking about How they're going to do it And what they're going to do And how they're going to There's good stuff Oh They're so They're like Nerdy nerds Yes Do you know what I mean They're the right kind of people To own Commodore And I was just so Yeah It's just been Oh yeah Anyway I'm so excited about that Because Atari had to go Didn't they They started bringing out Some stuff That never really landed Yeah Doesn't And I think This will work Because these guys Absolutely get it They are just In it Up to their elbows They love it So yeah I could not be more excited About that And if I had more spare time I would join them And do coding And it would be amazing Maybe when I retire I will retire As a Commodore developer Oh I forgot where I got to Oh Pistol We talked about Buck Rogers I like Buck Rogers Yes I like Buck Rogers Dead good Where was that the other day Someone had Twiggy on their phone Twiggy Twiggy Twiggy Twiggy Yeah someone had that On their phone It was like their Their homeschool I can't remember who it was But I remember being surprised by it Like I wasn't I wouldn't expect them To have that on their phone What was the doctor called Doctor Oh I don't know I think that was Doctor Robotnik of Sonic That's all I can think about Because we're talking about Games and consoles Different doctor Different doctor Very different doctor Peter Venkman That's a good doctor name Where did Oh yeah Venkman Right here we go Yeah Dave Grohl paid for all the sessions And yeah So it was all Dave He owns the whole Yeah the whole Whole lot So he does Does absolutely everything Owns everything For all of the albums And typically Will kind of pay And run Everything out of himself So the band Own it And then they license it Off to To the record labels It's a nice model I think Because you were saying That creative control Yeah If you could do it It's mega isn't it So I didn't Taylor Swift Sell all of hers And then buy it back again Yeah something like that Because she did her own She didn't like the versions They put out Yeah then she re-recorded hers Yeah And then the old ones Have then gone down in value Yeah And then I think she's Bought them back again Right okay I find She can do what she wants really I find the concept Of owning something And ultimately Like an idea Yes Just absurd Yeah yeah Like Oh yeah The idea of publishing And songwriting royalties And that That'll do your head in Because that's Mad That's Yeah that's not even That's not a record That's No because there's the record So there's the record There's the There's two copyrighting music There's a copyright of the song Yeah Of the composition The kind of The words and the music Whatever you want to call it And then there's the copyright Of the recording And they're two very different things And the recording for me That's a physical thing And I get that I get that you could Like you could own The original masters Of Dark Side of the Moon Yeah And I could go and buy them And I could keep them In my drawer With my underpants And that's And they're mine That's my copy I own them Yeah But then there's the The songwriting Of You know Breathe And you just think How do you Do that How do you Because ultimately That lives in somebody's head And then there's a Like 50 million copies of it So 50 million people Know that song Yeah But it's yours Yeah You know That intellectual property Of the song Of the composition Of the idea If you like Yeah That's why I just I find it mind-bending Really interesting So that's why you have Record labels and publishers So record labels Would ordinarily deal With the copyright Of the song Yeah Recording sorry Yeah yeah And publishers would deal With the copyright Of the composition and song I'd never Because some songwriters Don't perform Some songwriters Just write the songs And then they Yeah of course Perform them Yeah But they're the two worlds They're the worlds Yeah Where did I get to this Oh yeah So the album Was recorded From the 17th To the 23rd Of October 1994 In Seattle It's really interesting It was essentially Recorded as demos So most of the tracks Were done twice They were tracked twice Just Dave playing And then And then You know Then building The track up So it's got Interesting You can tell I think Yes It doesn't sound live No It's not got that Kind of Feel to it But it doesn't Sound like You know Like a Mutt Lang No Yeah Polished Track thing I think it's got An interesting sound This one But I quite like it Interestingly The songs were Tracked in sequence Oh really So he poured On the record That's interesting So yeah I think that's Interesting as well When asked He felt his voice Was the weak point And then Which is why I tracked it Like 18 times That's a Foo Fight That's A standard Foo Fighters Thing That double track Vocal Or quad track Vocal Whatever you want To call it That's very much A Foo Fighters Kind of sound That's part Part of that sound Probably not so much On the newer stuff Maybe but Certainly for a long time Yeah It had a thing to it You'd have to think That after you did The first Like years worth Of live shows You think Oh I'm alright I can tell You know I'm alright So Oh where did We get to Now I keep Losing my place Oh yeah So it was produced By Barrett Jones Oh he was a Co-producer of it He worked with Grohl on his Original demos And I think that's Why he kind of Got him Got him back There was a trust There that he Wasn't going to Blab it Yeah a little bit Album Album Debuted Debuted At number 23 On the billboard 200 Which is Which is like Sold 40,000 copies In its first week Number 3 In the UK Which is Yeah For a brand new band I mean clearly Off the back of Nirvana Yes Yeah yeah People were ready And waiting for it Weren't they Yeah but the song Song's were incredible Yeah so Sales data for this One was 1.4 million Over that year Which is Which is just nuts Other stuff That was released In that year It's a big year For music It's a huge year Watch the story Morning Glory Jagged Little Pill King for a Day Fall for a Lifetime Adrenaline Deftones Infernal Love By Therapy Stomp 442 By Anthrax Which gets a lot Of hate From the Anthrax fans We've already said There's no one Hates heavy metal Like heavy metal Fans And they don't Like that very much Balance by Van Halen Right And look at Draconian Times By Paradise Lost I like that British band Paradise Lost Didn't get the love They deserve I don't think 1995 95 also saw the Formation of Slipknot Slipknot Slipknot did a vinyl This week Limited to 200 copies Sold out in 8 seconds I saw the email And went Oh I'll get that Click gone And then literally I'm working I see the notification Click Gone I don't know I don't know I don't know How people Bought it Also The formation Of Buck Cherry Right In this year Which I think Is really interesting It's a great year For rock music Isn't it That People give the 90s A hard time That was pretty good Singles with This is a call I'll stick around Big Me And For All the Cows For All the Cows Is a weird one That's a weird Choice for a single It is weird Isn't it I mean it's a great song Don't get me wrong I'm not You know I'm not calling the song But it's It's an unusual song I am also going to Call your attention To the videos Yes Very good Always fun So Some of them Are a bit nuts So Big Me Yeah Is like It's just really Bizarre They've got They have that They have this Mint Where Is it like They're doing Like bizarre Stuff like This Girls at the beginning And her mini Gets stuck This guy in a massive Car Blocks her in And she can't get out And then the Foo Fighters Turn up and pick her car Up and move it And she pops a mint And they all wink at each other And go Oh isn't that great And then It's really weird Really weird And then I'll stick around Is another Like There's bits in there Where like He eats chess pieces And They They were quite good I think Or they had good Guidance On Creating videos That were going to Work and get your attention Proper MTV fare Yes It was everywhere And This was around the time Like pubs would have The video You know what I mean Yeah of course When you went to the jukebox And put something on It would come on all the video screens Yeah So yeah Pretty Pretty cool I think Touring off the back of this They did all kinds of stuff They are According to Setlist FM They played 100 shows In 1995 Wow And then they did another 1796 Yeah They made the US live Debut supporting Mike Watt On the Ring Spiel Tour With support from Hovercraft They were on The Late Show with David Letterman Festival appearances At Pugal Pop Reading Lowlands Everywhere They toured Europe Japan Australia New Zealand It's Just nuts Yeah Yeah I mean We talk about this quite often But I think some bands thrive In that live Yes That live And I think You know They're all still grieving A little bit Off the back of Kurt Cobain as well So You know I think they just kind of Threw themselves out Into the Big wide world A little bit But definitely Grafting off the back of that Yeah And haven't ever really stopped No From what I understand They've not been big gaps Has there Not huge gaps Not like some bands Oh where are we going to here Oh we've done all of that I've covered I'm doing my five things table And we've done all of that Oh Despite Dave Grohl Playing everything Capital required A full band photo In the liner notes Isn't that weird Yeah Yeah Yeah I did not know that Until I was at the table It's not been used Massively in TV and video Big Me was used On The Last Man on Earth In 2015 Right And on Bones You know The movie Bones Yes It was in there as well Critical reviews Yeah it's interesting So Spin compared it To Nevermind Which I think is stupid Yeah It doesn't sound like Nevermind to me It's a totally different vibe Because yeah Kerrang said it was Strong enough to stand On its own merits Yeah I think lots of people Were comparing it to Punk and grunge Robert Christogel Who was a famous Reviewer back then Said it lacked Identity I mean how do you feel About that now Yeah Yeah yeah yeah Exactly I think it's got Identity Yeah Generally was super Well Yeah super Well Reviewed I don't think There were any Remasters No Right that is Interesting Because it Yeah Because it is a It could quite easily Be couldn't it It could yeah I'm glad it's not No So well done Dave Because we don't like that But yeah this one I think It sounds like the beginning Of something That's what this album Always sounds like to me Yeah yeah yeah Put it on you go Oh that's the That's the start That's the beginning For me this one sound This is Dave recording it all It's in the studio He's kind of grieving a little bit Writing the songs Doing his thing It's a point in time Of him doing the stuff And that's what this album is Yeah If you go back and Like remaster it And compress it And polish it a little bit It's now not that It's not that anymore Yeah yeah And for me I don't know These songs The songs are not going to get any better By making the album louder Yeah yeah Do you know what I mean I think it's The thing that makes this special For me is the melody It's Dave's top line So it's kind of vocals And the drum The percussion as well He's got a Dave Grohl Has got this lovely I mean it's not a super Technical drummer But what he's got in In like rhythm Of you know This ability to play The right thing At the right time Yes yeah It's incredible Yeah yeah yeah None of that's going to get Any better if you remaster it No And I think But like you say It's a point in time It's this It's this It's a capture of the moment Yeah exactly And I like it So I'm very glad That it's not being done Well if it has been redone I can't tell Which is really good And that is it For facts Not that many facts About this one Very good So shall we listen to one And then we shall Discuss what we're going to do next I haven't thought about What we're going to do next I'm not ready That's alright We've got time Because I've got to edit And faff And do things Oh yeah I might have a fruit pastel Yeah go on What shall we play Oh let's do Let's do Big Me Oh I like that one When I talk about it Carries on Reasons only new When I talk about it Aries or Treasons already new Then me to talk about it I could stand to prove If we can get around it I know that it's true Well I talked about it Carried on Reasons only new But it's you I fell into Well I talked about it Carries on Carries on Reasons only new When I talk about it Aries or aries or treasons all new Pegged me to talk about it I could stand to prove If we can get around it I know that it's true I know that it's true Well I talked about it Put it on Never was it true But it's you But it's you I fell into Well I talked about it Put it on Never was it true But it's you I fell into I fell into I fell into I fell into I fell into And it's you And it's you Yeah because the hardest thing is The greatest thing about this band Is that it's a new band And we're looking towards the future And it's nice because We have so many things to look forward to And most of the interviews I do People just ask about Nirvana So it's like I'm trying to look towards the future And I'm trying to like move ahead But people always like pull me back So that's the hardest thing And mainly it's in interviews Like where people will ask One question about the fighters And then Nirvana, Nirvana And then they ask all these Nirvana questions And it's like You know Nirvana was fun And it was you know It was great But it's gone You know And so this is what I'm trying to focus on Like try to look to the future Do you think that if we didn't have Coke Zero and Fruit Pastels Yeah That this would be the same experience Oh No No I don't think it would work I think we'd have to quit I'm very tired today I was up late Watching YouTube Were you? Was I watched a video about I watched a video about making Oris watches Right yeah yeah Because you know I like that When I'm tired Yeah When I need to get to bed I love watching The Wristwatch Revival YouTube channel It's very calming Yeah And it keeps I'd love to be able to do it I'd love to have that I know The patience to just Do it And not lose all the bits And then kick it across the room And then know how to put it back together Yeah yeah I get this huge sense of anxiety When he takes the watches apart And then he puts them back together And it's like Do you know what I mean He's kind of like filling I can feel my body filling back And I like that Anyway I watched this thing about Oris watches About how to make the movements I watched Alex Steele's He's a blacksmith Oh okay He's just forging Oh yeah we've got to get one of them I love that It's brilliant And so I was you know Busy Busy doing important things Till like one o'clock in the morning And then Lizzie has decided That she's lying in too late So she set her alarm for six Which woke me up Yeah I didn't need to be up at six No She fell back asleep And I couldn't So for like five hours sleep And I'm feeling a bit tired Yeah yeah yeah But good choices Of things to watch Wow Well indeed Yeah Indeed my friend Indeed It's been And then I had another day This week Did you watch the one Where they make the swords Is it called Forged and Steel No it's called His name's Alex Steel Oh right okay He's very British And he does all kinds of things This one isn't This is very American Oh is it And they bang stuff And then they like Chop stuff up with it Oh Yeah I mean I've never done forging Or have the desire To forge or blacksmith But I love watching people do it Yeah yeah yeah I don't know I reckon you would I reckon When she got a forging When she got a bang in stuff I just think it'd be You know it's a bit like Be loud You have to have earplugs I tell you what It reminds me of Is like when I watch a festival Yeah I think that'd be great Do you know what I mean You know where I'm going Yeah I do But then you think Oh but actually I've got a backache And my feet would hurt And there's nowhere to sit down Do you know what I mean Yeah yeah yeah It's a bit like I think I imagine forging Like as a blacksmith It would all be hot and heavy Wouldn't it And I've got like Delicate little hands That use keyboard And my little delicate hands Would be like Oh that's a bit hot Can I have a bigger glove please So I like watching people do it Oh I'll tell you what else Was on as well For the And again this For those You either know Or you don't know But there was a Project Binky episode And if you don't know What Project Binky is Then No I don't know Yeah you just No It is a You know we We cover lots of like Niche albums Yes Where you need You know if you know Project Binky is a Small corner of the internet Okay yeah And if you know Project Binky You know Project Binky But it's been going for forever And it is It is great If you like that kind If you like cars Yeah Project Binky Oh is it really Okay right Is your thing Go and check that out But it is excellent So there you go That's what I did And I didn't sleep very well And I got up too early And I was feeling a bit tired And I think without the Diet Coke And fruit pastels today You just wouldn't have handled it I'd have probably just had a nap Yeah yeah yeah It'd just been you You'd just be going Wake up So I'm feeling a bit tired Yeah Yep I think that before we Before we talk about the next record Yeah Which I thought we've done 50 55 minutes which is good That's pretty good I know what we're going to do next But we're going to need to Throw something in the air Oh we're going to do The key with the keys Unfortunately Because I know which one you're going to Well I say the band I know which album you're going to choose Oh really And I'm going to choose a different album Right okay Yeah we'll have to fight over it We'll have to do a key fight Why don't we build a thunderdome Out of the back And then we both go in Then one of us comes out Yeah And the one that comes out wins That's the best way of doing it That'll sell it Just whoever has the Whoever can stay up Without having a nap That's just about it I wanted to talk about Like the gratitude For all the people That are listening to our show Across the world Oh that's great Yeah There's loads here It's gone bananas There are It's a bit bonkers isn't it That people come up to me at work And say I listened to your show It was great Which is cool But then You know when we started this We knew everybody Yeah I mean I know everybody I mean not online no But like literally physically Had touched everyone That listened to the show And it's bonkers But we had a little WhatsApp group didn't we Where we were trying to Encourage people Yeah yeah yeah yeah Or four or five of us Or whatever But yeah it's It's taken on life of its own now It's mad It's fantastic So yeah it's really cool And it's cool to see I think I looked People have listened to this show From 70 countries now It's great Which is like mind boggling It's great Yeah I mean It's interesting There's no Do you reckon there are free pastels In those In Diet Coke Coke Zero I think Roundtree Roundtree should If you're listening to Roundtree You should totally sponsor the show Yeah Just send us We don't need any money Just send us free pastels Yeah just give us like 20 kilograms Honestly we would No one would see us again We'd just go out And like We'd be in some kind of coma For a pastel coma They have to be just The red and black ones though I have to be honest We're quite good though One pocket between the two of us Yeah it is good Over about three hours Yeah yeah yeah Because like I mean Most podcasters I think Would get through this show In about half an hour Solid three hours Three or four hours Of mucking about But that's the way it is isn't it Yeah it's part of our week Yeah it's good So we could definitely Yeah Have some sponsorship From Roundtree That'd be good Yeah that'd be nice And the blog's doing really well The Riffology.co Yeah if you're new So Riffology.co Is our blog Where we So for each of these shows We do like a little blog So like a crib sheet Where the facts come from And how we You know Read and find out About stuff So that's where that is You can listen to the podcast There as well But which you is Obviously listening to now So you don't need to know Where to find us Because you're on it You're already on it And we would love reviews If you We've got a nice review We did Someone gave us a lovely review Of the podcast Which was fantastic We like that And if you can't bother To write a review Just give us five stars Give us the stars On the thingy On the app Yes if you're in On the mobile app You have It was weird isn't it You can only do The rating If you're listening On a mobile app So if you're listening On a mobile app And you thought We didn't suck Then if you give us You say You know That was alright Give us five stars Then the algorithm Recommends the show To more people Yeah Yeah Which is great And just Write a little Couple of sentences Yeah Saying why you like it Neil was much better Than Chris Yeah And that's it That is it Whatever gets the reins up Yeah To be fair We don't really care That much And I don't know I mean I'm sure There are people out there That really drive Their podcasts home hard And want them to be Super successful Do you know what I really like about it I like the fact That we've got people That are listening And then commenting On socials And it's just This lovely community building Where You know People talk about stuff And they tell us That we've got our dates wrong And Which I really appreciate Yeah But it's lovely It's just You know I think it's been great With you know All of the stuff Going on around Aussie Over the past week or two It's been fab Seeing you know There's people Sharing what they're listening to And there were people At the funeral This week as well Yeah The cortege Went through Birmingham Which was epic Fair play for getting Cortege in That's good That's good I didn't think I was going to be able To do that today But there you go But yeah It's a lovely Little community building You know So And it's I think it's people That And I think Lots of people Are like this Where you Probably in your 40s or 50s Looking at our stats You're either American or British And I bet Your family Hate heavy metal And rock music And you are Listening to this In your car Or sitting in the toilet Or whatever And it's just I don't know It reminds me A little bit of school Yeah Where everybody loved The same kind of music That I loved Yeah And steadily as I've gone Through my life There are fewer and fewer People I mean I know people That listen to Coldplay Yeah Purposely Yeah And I don't like that I don't like that at all I like different things And there's I don't know I kind of It's lovely Our social medias Are people That have got You know It's a bit like Being back at school Yes I mean they're all Dickens They're all mad But It's lovely It's this kind of But not Not dinosaur level Oh no You wouldn't turn the Dinosaurs No No But it's lovely It's just this lovely Little community Of like Passionate music fans That like Music You know Like Cool music And I like it Just remind me Of being at school It's cool It is good What are we doing next then Sepultura Oh We're having a fight Because I'm going to say Roots and you're going to say Chaos AD No You're going to say Roots No I'm going to say Beneath the Remains Oh Beneath the Remains Right The first one Yeah Well no They did some before They did Beetle Devastations And then some other stuff But yeah So Beneath the Remains Was the one That absolutely That was the first Big biggie one And I loved that I think Arise Is their best album Yeah And then Yeah Roots was the one That was the one That was super mega popular Yeah yeah yeah I think kind of Around that time Of new metal And stuff Was just starting And this just kind of Popped a little bit Didn't it I'm going to Forfeit the keys Are you Yeah I'm going to say Let's do the one That you chose Why is that Because I've not Heard it properly Have you not I want to explore it It's mad It's such a great You can hear what's coming But it's such a great record Yeah yeah yeah It's got the best album cover Of any album Yeah No album cover Is better than Beneath the Remains It wasn't meant for this album Right It was meant for Obituary Oh really Yeah it was Obituary And Sepultura Were both on the same label Okay And both wanted the same album cover Did they have to do the keys No but I don't know What happened exactly But the album cover That they wanted Yeah One of the Cavalera brothers Has got like half a tattoo of it Oh wow Right okay But it's the It's the Obituary album cover Wow But they wanted it And then the record label Told them actually You're not having it You're getting this one But both of those album covers Like if this is number one Yeah So if Beneath the Remains Is the best album cover That's ever been made Yeah The Obituary one Is the second best They're both Michael J. Whelan I think Right That's a fascinating story That actually Amazing isn't it I should have saved it For next week Yeah we'll say it again Yeah no one will remember By then will they Anyway so Sepultura We can Besides we can do Roots Yeah Another time Yeah of course we can We can actually do What we want Do you know Because we own the rights To our own music We feel like Dave Grohl We can do it We won can't we Yeah You know what I mean Yeah yeah I'm down with that It's great So shall Yeah Let's do one then Yep See ya It's alright That was easy That was easy