Show Notes
When Council Estates Met Knebworth in Twenty-Four Improbable Months
Hosts: Neil & Chris
Duration: ~122 minutes
Release: 8 July 2025
Episode Description
Two landmark albums, one meteoric rise, zero business plans. Neil and Chris tackle both Definitely Maybe and What's The Story Morning Glory in a single epic episode, tracing how working-class Manchester lads practicing opposite the Hacienda (but rarely going inside) became the last wild rock and roll band before the internet changed everything. From playing to 10-15 people to 250,000 Knebworth applications in just two years, this is lightning in a bottle captured at the perfect cultural moment.
The recording journey unfolds across three studios with wildly different results. Mono Valley sessions with David Batchelor sounded like "the Beach Boys, not Oasis," missing the essential swagger, so Alan McGee rejected them outright. Then came Sawmills with live sound engineer Mark Coyle producing despite zero studio experience, mic'ing everything together in one room (except Liam in his vocal booth), three takes per song maximum before heading to the pub. Owen Morris's mixing turned the cassette arrival on tour into a "fucking amazing" relief moment, cranking and amping everything to create that definitive Oasis sound.
Chris learned guitar in the mid-90s with these exact songs forming his musical gene pool, while Neil experienced the exponential rise as it happened. Both hosts reflect on why Oasis represented something unrepeatable: right time, right songs, right chaos, pre-digital era when rock stars could still feel genuinely dangerous. The reunion tour buzz makes this deep dive especially timely, documenting the albums that started it all.
What You'll Hear:
- The King Tut's Wawa Hut Glasgow signing story: friend's girlfriend in band shortened their set for Oasis, Alan McGee in attendance, immediate "do you want a record deal" offer
- Recording evolution from Mono Valley failure through Sawmills breakthrough (song-a-day pace, cup of tea between takes) to Owen Morris compression magic
- Rockfield What's The Story sessions: Liam exiled to pub constantly because he doesn't play instruments, dustbin and air rifles brawl, Wonderwall recorded outside on courtyard wall with birds and remote control car driving past
- Nick Brine still owns the actual Takamine Wonderwall guitar Noel gave him (worth tens of thousands), Chris played it at Rockfield's 25th anniversary tribute weekend
- Production philosophy debates: compression working opposite ways on acoustic versus electric, analog/no-click capturing live feel on Definitely Maybe versus digital/to-click losing magic on Be Here Now
- Alan McGee's last-generation chaos management: ferry to Amsterdam story (Liam fighting West Ham fans, arrested, gear impounded, Noel locked in cabin, McGee's "that's amazing" response)
Featured Tracks & Analysis:
Supersonic was written in 15 minutes during a takeaway break when Tony McCarroll couldn't nail Bring It On Down (the intended first single). That one-note top line verse made it incredibly easy to sing along, launching them into the stratosphere. Slide Away came from an uninspiring Mono Valley room with a Les Paul, the demo version actually becoming the album version. Wonderwall's swung, funky groove proves deceptively difficult to replicate, open mic versions sounding nothing like the record because the feel is so specific.
Cast No Shadow marks Chris's What's The Story favorite for its beautiful, dancey top line you can disappear into while performing, showing clear songwriting maturity evolution from Rock and Roll Star's straightforward swagger. The album ratings tell the trajectory story: Chris gives Definitely Maybe a 10, What's The Story a 5, Be Here Now a 2.5. Despite phenomenal songs like "Do You Know What I Mean," something essential got lost in the indulgent layers and digital polish.
Tangential Gold:
- Extended detour into the dehumanization debate: remastering good for pulling detail from 60s Rolling Stones tapes, bad when tuning Freddie Mercury vocals or nudging things into key
- Rick Beato's One Arm Scissor analysis proving imperfections are the art: nothing's in tune separately but works together, energy beats perfection every time
- Recording speed philosophy: Paddy vocals captured in garage, different spaces create different performances, quick Oasis sessions versus modern perfect-take obsession
- Band evolution split: BDI sounds like Definitely Maybe (the band), High Flying Birds sounds like Be Here Now (Noel plus session musicians)
- Reflection on UK 90s rock series documenting parallel British scene Americans missed: fits perfectly with Skunk Anansie, The Wildhearts, The Almighty, Little Angels, Therapy episodes
Why This Matters:
Oasis captured the last wild rock and roll moment before digital era dilution fractured everything into infinite niches. The timing was improbable perfection: post-Stone Roses, grunge dying, everyone wanting real rock stars again. Working class Manchester not London, not processy, just right songs at right time with right manager running pure chaos (no business plans, just Alan McGee's "that's amazing" philosophy). That council estate to Knebworth rise in two years couldn't happen today.
These albums created communal anthemic experiences where everyone sings together, lightning in a bottle before the internet changed how music gets discovered and consumed. The frazzled post-Knebworth state (should've taken six months off but didn't, wheels already in motion for destruction) shows what happens when meteoric success meets human limits. The reunion tour proves these songs still resonate because they captured something genuine and unrepeatable, a moment when rock and roll felt vital and dangerous one last glorious time before everything changed forever.
Perfect for: Anyone wondering how a band practicing opposite the Hacienda went from 10-person audiences to Knebworth in 24 months, musicians interested in the three-take Sawmills philosophy versus digital perfection obsession, fans of studio chaos stories involving pub exile and air rifle brawls and remote control cars driving through acoustic takes, anyone who learned guitar in the 90s and wants to understand why these songs became the essential gene pool, listeners riding the reunion tour buzz who want the full origin story of what made these albums cultural landmarks, production nerds fascinated by Owen Morris's compression magic and why it works on acoustic but kills electric swagger, and anyone who believes imperfections are the art and energy beats perfection every single time.
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It's really cool Yeah And he plays like Jason Momomo He's the thing He's the man He's like he's this rock and roll man Yeah yeah yeah It's still good Very good Very good So what's happening then? We're doing Oasis Oasis We are doing both of the Normally we'd pick an album We've never done two albums And we've never done two albums together And you've got some brilliant artwork that you've made For the postings Oh I have yeah I'm really very impressed with that Were you? The way you blended those I blended them to blended Because the thing is Quite a challenge Isn't it weird? Isn't it like pathetic? We were talking about How we should do this And It was Because we can't decide Which of these albums to cover Yeah Basically That's the bottom line I really like Definitely Maybe And you've got connections to I love Morning Glory I love Definitely Maybe 12 But I really love Morning Glory But you worked in the same studios Yes As Morning Glory and stuff And anyway So we thought Well we'll have to do them both And then we're like Oh you can't really just I mean that just Is a bit like Of a cop out Like doing two different shows And then doing that So we thought we'd do Like one show With both albums Yes Yeah I'm probably not talking about either For a lot of That's normally what we do And I spent a lot of time With Oasis this weekend Doing Oasis things Always Have you been doing Because you were You were in the field At Silverstone Did you play Oasis a lot? I was in Oasis Were you in Oasis? Yeah So they had an Oasis tribute band Yeah That played Yeah And their guitarist car died So couldn't get So they were panicking Yeah And they said that Look if there's one guy On this site Yeah Who can solve this problem It's you It's me Yeah So they came to see me And said look Can you Like this is our set Can you be Can you Can you be Like bonehead for that Can you play rhythm guitar? So you spent 30 seconds Skimming YouTube And they went Yeah Whatever Yeah So I looked at the set list And went I kind of know Three quarters of that actually Because it's not As we talked about Last week Because you don't blow it Yeah Or what's the other one You can't do? I can't blow it or bow it Bow it Yeah It's not got a bow And you didn't have to Easy Easy peasy Yeah so I actually played A full hour and a half Oasis set To about 6,000 people Was it a good laugh? It was brilliant fun Yeah yeah It was great Yeah that whole thing Of like the way They put on the music For the Grand Prix And I just think It's awesome Absolutely awesome Yeah it's great But the thing about it is Is like some of those songs I've actually never played Yeah Right But because they're so In your subconscious Yeah And you sort of Write the key down Yeah And you go I kind of know the song So it just It just kind of falls out It just kind of And the songs This is the thing about Oasis The songs are so good Yeah That you only have to hear them Once or twice And they are absolutely Earworms Every single one of them are They remind me hugely Of ACDC In that In that That they It makes you want to Pick up a guitar Because it sounds so simple Yeah Do you know what I mean They're so deceptively like Oh it's a It's a simple song Yeah And But until you try and do it And you're like Oh actually Maybe a little bit more complicated Yeah But there's just something like Just write Yeah About them You know And that sounds I don't know It's probably a really I don't know I'm finding it hard To come up with the words To describe what I mean here But There's like You know like Some sounds Or some flavours That just work together And The Oasis songs Are just like that to me They just work Yeah But from beginning to end They feel effortless Yeah You know We've got this theory That people are born Knowing John Bon Jovi I mean Gen X Millennials I suppose They're born knowing Yeah Those songs Yeah I think that's kind of This is the millennial Yeah This is kind of more millennial But You know Wonderwall Everybody knows It's like you put Basketcase on In a pub Everyone knows The words And they'll sing You put Wonderwall on Everyone knows the words And once they've had A bit to drink Yeah They'll all sing along with you You know It's just got this But the weirdest thing To me is that There was like a bit Because obviously I've sort of done That little pub circuit And playing music For people in pubs And you know Like doing weddings And doing those sorts of things And there was a period of time For quite a long time Yeah Where playing an Oasis song Wasn't a cool thing to do Oh And it was almost like Oh god not Oasis You know Really And there was a bit of me That went I don't know why You're being like that Because the songs are brilliant You know And but obviously With this You know They're doing their tour now And they've kind of Reformed for this Kind of run of dates Which is Which is incredible And apparently They're really on form as well They're really good I saw a few I saw a few clips actually They were brilliant They came The set list is epic As well You just look at the set list And you just think There are so few bands That could You know Could Do What they're What they're doing And I saw this Wonderful review I was in the Guardian Or Telling or whatever Right And it basically said It's like Like Liam playing In a smaller band Yeah Isn't Liam Right Yeah When Liam's fronting Oasis Yeah The world is right That's where Liam Is supposed to be And he just He obviously had the BDI Didn't he Yeah He's done BDI And he's done High Flying Birds And Noel did Yeah But it's It's like It's just different It's like going home Yeah And they were just saying That having him Fronting Oasis In front of like Hundreds of thousands You know Having these Ridiculously large gigs He becomes who he's meant to be And like It's just like You're like Bending the universe Around him Kind of thing And you know Not to say that he's not An absolute dickhead Because he's You know He quite often is But that's Do you know what I mean That's what he was built to do That's what he was meant to do And it It is I mean I don't know whether This is a big PR thing But they've nailed it With a sort of like Stars aligning Kind of narrative And everything coming together And them You know Them loving each other And with their arms Around each other again And after such a Like a feud For a few years And Noel kicking off in Paris And leaving the band And all that sort of thing It's probably worth Going back to the beginning A little bit Isn't it Because I loved music So much And was really into it And was determined To learn how to play the guitar I always thought That's how I'd end up Or that's the only thing I was interested in But when I met Graham Lambert From the Inspirals And I got that job As on the roadie I thought Oh that's it This is it You know And that would have done me And then it was only Through Liam Getting together with Bonad That they asked me That I kind of That I kind of joined And then when I joined Obviously Just ambition took over And in fact It was only when I think it was like Second rehearsal With Oasis Our kids said Yeah you've got some tunes So I was just like Right if I play this You play that And you play that And once everybody joined in The fucking bomb went off And I was like Fucking hell This is amazing But the roses had disappeared The Mondays had fallen apart There was nothing That was inspiring everyone This fucking band From Manchester With a fucking singer Who's 19 Right Larry The fucking He's writing the songs He's ripping off everybody Who's fucking dead But the other three lads Look like plumbers You know But it's You know You wouldn't You couldn't invent it You know So Yeah Who knew I watched the documentary Supersonic I've never seen it Which is bad So good Because we're obviously Doing this podcast I probably should have done Yeah It's homework Isn't it Now I'm not seeing that one Because cable Cable are on it Aren't they Kind of They're in one of the outtakes Yeah But they Anyway The documentary Supersonic Is really good If you've not seen it And you're like Oh you're a bit interested In music And how it's recorded And like You know I guess Bands in general It's very worth it Even perhaps If you're not a massive Oasis fan It's one of those things That is I think it's recorded It's full of Like You know Just kind of Ad hoc recordings That the band took On their journey From way Way Way Back In like Basements And garages And stuff Even to Like the The night That they get signed When they're playing In Glasgow And they're in the van On the way back And like And there's just like A video happening Of that But I wanted to Kind of go back A little bit Because The speed Of this Yeah Is I mean We're ultimately Running to If we take these two albums So we say Definitely maybe And watch the story That That really culminates In Nebworth Right Where it's just This ridiculous Thing Which Like sold more tickets Than Anything ever In the history of ever They added more nights It turns out That they reckon Something like Four percent Of the British population Applied for tickets Which is Extraordinary Yeah But That happened In like The space Of two years From the first record To then Being at Nebworth And they're like You know Five guys Five lads From a council estate In Manchester Yeah And then like Before that There was two years Of them just Rehearsing over And over And over again You know That The Unlikeliness Of this story Is extraordinary You know Noel Blags himself A job With the Inspiral carpets As their roadie Yeah No idea what he's doing You know Confesses to not Know what he's doing Blagging all the time Difficult Awkward You know Just being a pain In the arse While he's there Having a Really great time And eventually The Inspiral carpets Fire him Because it's like He's just such a Such a dickhead And being so difficult In In parallel to that Liam is at home Yeah Has shown no interest In music at all Ends up having a fight Somebody hits him Over the head With a hammer Yeah Ends up in hospital Blood everywhere When he comes round And kind of You know Recovers Has got this Massive passion For music And just will do Nothing but But music And he Tells the story Of his life At that point Being You know Just Essentially Picking up his Dole money Buying music Buying weed Going home And just being Like Rinse and repeat That's it Noel then comes back So by mind At this point Noel still thinks His brothers Doesn't like music Not interested in music At all Noel's been writing music Since he was Since he was a kid Kind of thing Yeah When Noel Comes back to Manchester Liam's now In a band Yeah Right Right And then Noel goes to see them Like Noel gets back And their mum says Oh yeah No he's in a band Yeah Noel goes to see them And he's like Oh alright And then he meets the band Do you know what I mean And then And then And then And then the band Like how do you want to You know you've got some And then Liam knew that Noel had been writing songs So go Yeah place me your songs To the band And then they start to And then that's it That's where it starts Yeah And you just think How you know Just the It's a great story The whole The thing is with the band For me A lot of the stories Like I've heard Noel tell the same story Differently twice Yeah In interviews So you think Just because it came from Noel's mouth Doesn't necessarily mean It's true Yeah I was in a A bar In Liverpool Called Definitely Maybe No it wasn't It wasn't It wasn't called Definitely Maybe It was It was some Fucking bar In Liverpool I think we'd done A photo shoot For some Scouse fanzine And we were having We were having a beer With the Ely's And There was loads of flyers On the wall And one of them The words I don't know What it was advertising Whether it was A night at a Fucking disco Or something stupid Or a poetry reading class Or Fucking I don't know And on the thing Was Definitely Maybe And Because the The one thing We didn't want to call it Was Oasis And Definitely Maybe Was I thought that was Fucking mind blowing Definitely Still confused Maybe I don't understand it I still don't I'm not supposed to I don't So the band Start there Which is like So improbable It's not funny Yeah Yeah They then Actually turn out To be not shit They're alright They pull this band And they're pretty tight And then They just I mean For all of the bravado And all of the You know You know The stuff that you hear From them in the press About you know Kind of being party animals And They practice And they practice Over And all they do Is write songs And practice Their rehearsal room Is opposite the hacienda Yeah And Liam talks about Them hardly ever Going there They were literally Just practicing Over and over again Then they ended up On the road Playing No one cared No one listened People There's talk of like 10 or 15 people Coming to gigs No one came to see them They went all over the place And then eventually Ended up playing They went up to King Tut's Wawa Hut In Glasgow Which is where They got signed Oh that's That's the one Is it No idea It was a friend Of a friend There was a band That they knew Who were scheduled To play Oasis were not Scheduled to play Yeah And the guy said No you're not playing And then they said Well we'll do a shorter set If you'll let these lads Play as well Yeah So then eventually They ended up doing Like a 20 minute set Yeah Alan McGee Alan McGee I think it's Alan McGee's girlfriend Was in The band That shortened their set For them And so They ended up Getting signed Alan McGee Was gushing over them Yeah And then literally Walked up to the band After the set And said Do you want a record deal And then they're like Yeah alright then And then there's this Lovely And in the In the documentary There's the The footage of them On the way back down To Manchester And they're just like Yeah That's it then Yeah So we've got a deal Then innit And it's just like The probability The likely I mean it had to Have happened In that way Yeah Yeah But I don't know It's just mad Absolutely mad I think You know Everything about This band Is just Like so unlikely Yeah To happen Yeah And like this album Even Even this album It was recorded At Mono Valley I was going to say They had a few goes at it Didn't they The thing about Oasis is The songs were all about They were all inclusive They weren't elitist In any way A lot of that For me came from Acid House Right Which was It's the communal feeling Of everybody together And that Anthemic Thing That I got from that Which I fucking loved You know But even now When I hear the Mono Valley stuff It wasn't it Obviously Because I'm the songwriter And I'm thinking It sounds great And all the band Are thinking It sounds great And then Thankfully There's people Who stood out front And watched us And were saying That's not That's not it Never I'd never heard That Mono Valley record Until Six months ago So it wasn't like We We referenced it And said Right This is what We don't want to do You know It was canned And the tapes Went off to creation And that was it We'd never seen them again But we've uncovered it now And listening back to it And looking at some of the pictures We didn't have The equipment We didn't have the marshals At Mono Valley I had a Vox AC30 And a H&H amp I don't know why And then By the time I got sawmills I had a Marshall And a fucking Wem Dominator That's the sound You know It's all there It's just It's missing that thing And that thing was Playing live together As you've been in studios Yourself There's like There's a big room And there's booths Off the side And the drums Are in the middle of the room And then Your amp's in there And your amp's in there Of course That's how we thought Records were made Somebody's sending you To a studio With an adult You know And they're telling you What to do And all you've got to do Is play the songs But when you hear The Mono Valley stuff It's not It's not got a swagger to it And it's Then when you go on To the sawmills You can see we've done Another 20 gigs In between And we've arrived somewhere It was too early To make that record But I think McGee Wanted to get it in And get it out Because his famous quote Was I reckon if we can Get this album up Before the Stone Roses Come back We'll sell 50,000 And I'd never heard The original versions Of this And as much as I Deride the Anniversary The 30th anniversary Of Definitely maybe Definitely maybe And I've got this I've got the 30th anniversary On vinyl And it's lovely I'm so surprised I know you are It sounds lovely But On the digital release Yeah On what would be CD2 Is the original Mono Valley Version So it was recorded At Mono Valley By And I'm going to Put my glasses on I did know this And I'm going to Put my glasses on Was it David Batchelor Let's assume it was A guy called David Batchelor Because that's the name That's in my brain He recorded it Doesn't sound Anything like Oasis To me And They recorded it All there It sounds like The Beach Boys Almost It's got this kind of Peppy Upbeat Happy sound To it Rather than This kind of Swagger It's not Slapping you around The face It's kind of Going Hiya It's just got this Completely different Sound to it Is it my imagination Is it my imagination And Alan McGee Was just like That's not it That's not The sound That's not That's not right So they went to Record it again Right So they Head down to Is it Sawmills Yeah Sawmill Sessions So they go down To Sawmills And re-record it Again And they do that With Mark Coyle Yeah Who's their live Sound engineer Yeah Now Mark Coyle Has never produced Anything in a studio Never recorded Anything in a studio Yeah Ever Yeah Doesn't know anything About anything Literally is a Sounder He produces sound In a live gig I mean you've done Tons of these things They're different animals Yeah And so what he did What they did Was they went down To Sawmills And they recorded Three takes of each track They just mic'd everything up Yeah Three runs through Next track Three runs through Next track Three runs through So we're in the room together Liam is in a There's one booth In Sawmills It's a vocal booth So the rest of the band Are all And the equipment Is all in the same room We knew all The songs backwards As I remember We did three takes And then we sat And had a cup of tea Sat and listened to them And said that's the one We're going to pick To overdub So the outtakes From Sawmills On the new record They haven't got any overdubs Because we picked that version And that was it And there's a great version Of Cigarettes and Alcohol Which is just slightly A little bit slower And it's more sludgy And it's fascinating for fans I think Coyley came up With the idea He said you should all Be playing I think one of the original ideas Was to play on stage And record it somewhere Do you know what I mean But I think it was Mark's idea And he was our Sound guy And he was going to oversee it all And that was it The playing of the songs Was easy Yeah in those outtakes There's a few bum notes And that's why The outtakes would have got ditched And then There's a couple of songs They don't end in the right place And then there's a false start But we had it pretty nailed You know The parts never really Were worked on in the studio We had them already And then maybe I would Fuck around And do whatever Whatever I would do To fill up the tracks And then Owen When he mixed it Bend it all Yeah Yeah well then we took it To back to London To mix We were mixing it in Olympic We were there And then we went over To see McGee We had I think it was like Columbia And something else We had a cassette of it And I thought They sounded great Right And the minute it came We put it on in his flat And the minute it came on It sounded fucking shit And he said This is not it And at that point I started to get Really fucking frustrated I was like Well what does everybody Fucking want And then Because Marcus Was managing Johnny Mark At the time Marcus had played it To Johnny Who played it To Owen And Owen said I'll have a go And I think He mixed one tune We were on tour A cassette arrived And we stuck it on In the van I'm sure it was Cigarettes and alcohol And it was fucking amazing It's just It was such a relief It was like Like fucking Thank God for that And he didn't He didn't want to Re-record anything I think the only thing We did is We had to change The second verse Of Shaker Maker Anyway they did all of that They picked the best ones Sent those tapes To To McGee And McGee was just like This is shocking Yeah yeah yeah Then you'd got You know So then you got Noel Kind of really frustrated Going I don't know What you want from us You know We've recorded this thing twice You know We're not writing music These are the same So we know the songs These are the songs But they're not right They don't feel right Yeah you tell us They don't feel right That's the difference Isn't it You can play the songs Perfectly But if they don't feel right They don't feel right And we've talked about this A load of time It's the magic That happens at certain points But anyway They'd got these things Re-recorded again And then They They were asking Loads of different people What to do And no one could really Figure out what to do And eventually And eventually Owen Morris Was around Who we've talked about before Now Owen Morris Was like Yeah I'll have a go at it Yeah yeah And Owen Morris Literally just cranked it Yeah So he took it And was using Whatever technologies Were available at the time Because it was on tape Wasn't it Yeah yeah yeah So it was on analogue But he managed to just Absolutely amp this thing To the And you can hear On this It sounds like It does sound amped It sounds like It's like Pushed to the limit This record does And it suddenly Comes out sounding Massive Yes Big swagger And that And that kind of Is where You know Where the record Comes from Is it my imagination Or have I finally found Something I was looking for I was looking for So much But all I found Was seeing It's an alcohol You could wait for a lifetime To spend your days To spend your days In the sunshine You might as well Do the white Because when it comes I'm sore You've got to make it Happen You've got to make it Happen You've got 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So the first single the record company picked, I think was supposed to be Bring It On Down. Yeah, yeah. So the first track on Definitely Maybe should have been Bring It On Down. And they were having real issues getting it recorded. They were having a real issue getting it recorded. There's something about the drummer not quite getting it or something like that. I wasn't getting the take. Yeah, Tony McCarroll really struggled with this. Yeah. And Noel hated him. Noel hated Tony McCarroll. Wow. It was horrible to him. In fact, most of the band were horrible to Tony McCarroll. He wasn't a very good drummer, being frank. But, you know, they weren't very nice to him. And, anyway, really, really struggled. Could not get the take done. And so they went for a takeaway. They were kind of a little bit, like, frustrated. Like, come on. And so they sent out for a takeaway. All the lads went into the next room and started to have a takeaway. And Noel wrote Supersonic. And then that became... That became the thing. The single. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then that began when Supersonic was enormous. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you're looking on that record. Rock and Roll Star, Shaker Maker, Live Forever and Supersonic and Cigarettes and Alcohol were the singles. Yes, what else do you want? It's nuts. What else do you want from a record than that? It is. The Mono Valley version of Cigarettes and Alcohol. It sounds nothing... I mean, I love Cigarettes and Alcohol. It's a phenomenal record. Phenomenal song. I think if they'd have released the Mono Valley version... It just wouldn't have happened. It's not there. It's not there. It's not it. It's not the one. The magic's not there. Do you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And that's just the story up to. Them like the first single from Definitely Made where no one's heard of them. Well, I went back to Mono Valley. I went back down there and I went into the room where I wrote it. And it's such an uninspiring fucking room. It's like it's nothing. I don't know if I was expecting to open the door and... But yeah, he sent down this Les Paul because he didn't have one at the time and... Yeah, just opened it and Slide Away came out. Yeah, it's just... And then we demoed it in Mono Valley and... Yeah, and that's the version that's on Definitely Made. We think that's... We only did eight songs in Mono Valley. Maybe only seven because we already had Supersonic. We already had Slide Away. Married With Children was done in Coyley's bedroom. Sad Song was done in Coyley's bedroom. So we only did eight tunes there. Because when I got the tapes on, I was like, "Well, where's fucking such and such?" But we did do another version of Slide Away, but it's not as good as the first time you played it. There's something in the air that night that's happening. And, you know, you're not overthinking the song. It's like, right, it goes like this. You played that, I played that. Right, let's go. So everyone's kind of not thinking about, "Oh, maybe I'll put a little thing there or maybe I'll do a bit of that." Maybe I'll just put a key in there. So it's coming from a place of truth. 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just absolutely take off right band, right time yeah Liam being Liam yeah yeah but I there cannot be any other band stories that you know have got the similar that have got that I don't know I don't know yeah do you know what I mean it's a great story I think that's the difference is it's we've had so many of these bands that we've done and these albums that we've done where it's very processy yeah you know the bands meet they're either at school together or they're young people and then they do the thing and then and then they you know they're right they rehearse they go out but it's just you're right it's the improbable it's this this thing kind of happening by accident almost or yeah just sort of them following their noses and you know and the thing is that it's not a London thing no so you would have had the stone roses obviously from from Manchester and Happy Mondays and there was obviously that scene yeah but that kind of gone that that that that I think that that kind of been and gone grunge was kind of dying now as well this was kind of midnight mid to late 90s I think everyone wanted rock stars because everything else that was coming out yeah was polished London pop it was and it wasn't working class and it didn't fit even if it was it didn't feel it this was a rock and roll band it felt very packaged and very you know like everything had a look to it there was a very yeah I mean you're right this this was a rock and roll band doing rock and roll band things that one of the first tours they toured with the was it the Verve the Verve yeah and then they went off to Amsterdam the first proper big tour so so Alan McGee's you know patched them off with the Verve to tour and they go on a ferry to Amsterdam yeah and they're big football fans and it's like some kind of West Ham yeah so they literally start you know they're drinking champagne and I can't wait what the story goes like champagne and like Jack Daniels or something and they sort of fairly quickly get a bit I mean imagine Liam yeah fairly quickly get a bit gobby yeah yeah and start fighting with the West Ham fans and then they get arrested yeah so when they when the ferry lands in Amsterdam they literally get picked up arrested and sent back to the UK oh my gosh so you've got you've got the Verve waiting to play you've got all of the gear has now been impounded noel made it through because he looked noel locked himself in his his cabin the rest of the band are now arrested like no mobile phones yeah yeah yeah no one could find what's going on and apparently the story goes right noel noel is ringing Alan McGee going you you know you've got some really bad news this is awful and Alan McGee is just like oh that's amazing and you know it's amazing and you do you know it's mad but then again as the story as a story like this improbable story goes right they don't make people like Alan McGee anymore no no Alan McGee only made it to I think did he do I think he like retired almost after um what's the story yeah yeah yeah yeah he was like I can't do this anymore that it was it might be enough yeah no I think I think he yeah I think he was still the manager of the through uh to watch the story but basically it uh there's a lovely interview with him where he just I just took too many drugs and I was just a lot off my face and I just had to get out of the whole thing and I disconnected from from everything yeah yeah um and noel was saying that um you know he he represented like the last of a generation yes yeah do you know what I mean of of of of kind of managers they said they're not like that anymore you know managers come to you with a what's your business plan yeah yeah do you know what I mean what's your five year plan yeah what what you know what's your demographic that you're aiming for what you know and and you're expected to have this you know not Liam launching TVs out of windows and fighting with West Ham fans you know that yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah you know and and he said like that that um it's a brilliant interview it's a brilliant interview with Noel fairly recently where it's like you know the record industry don't want the reason rock and roll bands are not like that anymore is because no one wants that you know that you know and back then at that point in time it was just yeah acceptable that was that was what people wanted yeah um you know and that's what we gave them yeah yeah but not forever that it waned it didn't you know people didn't want that for for forever but I think just that that that combination of you know these these lads from a council estate in Manchester playing the right songs at the right time the right site manager who was going to support them yeah I mean imagine if it would have been a different manager yeah yeah yeah yeah I don't I don't you know I mean I there is there is a definite thing I think I didn't communicate it very clearly a little bit earlier but there's a definite thing about the stars aligning yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah this is this is so I keep saying improbable but yeah yeah yeah yeah the likelihood of all of this stuff it's a generational thing yeah you know where you get one yeah yeah and it's like um and again and Noel is on on interview saying saying this stuff a few times they weren't the best at anything they weren't the best songwriters weren't the best playing weren't the best live people but when they were in Oasis and when they were together they something happened yeah they were the best in the world and what they did was the like it was the best live show it was the best entertaining people with the songs that they got and all yeah yeah yeah um I could the thing the other thing for me is is you know sometimes when we've done these records and we're sort of struggling to find interview footage or stuff like that yeah there's no problem here everything they do is gold uh there's nothing that you know every interview going like there's what like when we're just to explain when when we do these shows we sort of take the interviews from from different places and sort of cut them in um and like sometimes we'll just do a bit and then we'll just get on with the show yeah but this I think I think I've sat for like an hour over an hour I've just just going through you've read you've read a book you've wrote six apps in the middle I've got a numb bum waiting for you to finish it like I'm going wiggling about because it's all just so good I love that bit there was an interview clip that you played earlier where Noel describes the look of the band saying that the rest of the band look like plumbers yeah and they just put and I look do you know I love Liam to to pick and I can imagine Liam I can imagine if you had to work with Liam you'd want to punch him you know 23 out of 24 hours of the day um but he's just so like it's just this lovable absolutely yeah he's cheeky isn't he he's this kind of you know what I mean he's he's just always got this big grin on his face being a dickhead and I don't know there's just something super cool about it but it's what it's worth that voice though oh it's so it's that voice who who again there's a lovely bit in one of your interviews where um I think Alan McGee didn't Alan McGee you know when he does that um yeah he didn't start doing that no like when they first did the song he didn't do it and he did it live once and Alan McGee told him he sounded like John Lydon yeah yeah yeah Johnny Rotton yeah yeah Johnny Rotton and then and then so he kept and then that's it but then that becomes his like affectation he does this thing more and more yes um I don't know I did there's a point I think for me like we probably disagree a little bit on this one but I for me like definitely maybe it's up there as one of the because I don't think Morning Story is as good a record yeah I think it's better produced I think it's a better I think it's I think the songs are probably the songs are more complicated probably more technically yeah correct I think the lyrics are a little bit better yeah but as a right for a rock and roll sort of rock and roll album yeah like an album that's got the swagger and stuff like definitely maybe is up there with like anything the metal world yeah has ever put out anything that kind of the hard rock world has put out as debuts you know it's kind of up there for me with you know the debuts from like Skid Row and Bon Jovi and do you know what I mean it's it's it's got a proper almost like a punk swagger to it it's just and then by what's the story yeah I think Liam like they were managing Liam yeah yeah out do you know I mean he was like he was like no you could come in and sing yeah um but with the grown-ups of the grown-ups are working now yeah and they would send him off to do whatever yeah and that out there so what's the story becomes this kind of grown-up record where it's it's produced a little bit better it's got it's done at Rockfield so they know what they're doing you know what I mean so they it sounds big and like massive from the outset yes yeah um but it's lost a little bit of the you know you know this record like definitely maybe starts with that kind of well do you know what I mean it's like it's electric as it kicks off um watch the stories a bit more um do you know what I mean it's it's it's a little I say laid back's the wrong word for it but it's um it's definitely more um yeah it's more grown up it's a it's a it's a a more refined record yeah um but I I don't know I just there's a there's a certain magic in the first one and I think partly because it's so improbable that it was it ever got made yeah yeah yeah um but yeah but but also I think I guess the next bit in the story is the decline because I think the band by the end of definitely maybe their band was still great they're having a great time they were enjoying themselves um it was it was chaos yeah and they loved it yeah yeah and then they did what's the story and the songs for what's the story were already written yeah so Noel had already written them so they go into the studio to do that which is great um they managed Liam you know by like a like throwing a dog throwing a ball for a dog right they kind of just they were constantly sending him out to the pub or football games or just like game out of the way whatever so we can do this record but it's these sessions that the cracks start I think okay yeah yeah and I mean you know there's there's that a wonderful story about I think there's two wonderful stories from Rockfield and and they're they're so um like conflicting one is yeah you know the uh they they're Noel is trying to write stuff and they're trying to record stuff they send Liam to the pub because I because I don't play any instruments you know I mean a lot of the of all the rest of the band playing instruments I'd sort of do my singing and I'd be sort of bored you know what I mean so then I'd be sort of just going twiddling my thumbs and I'd think I'm fucking go out a boozer so I'd be in the pub most of the time with whoever so then I'd bring a few people back and I think that's when I think that's when it all went a bit tits up with me and all because I think he I think I don't know where he'd gone somewhere but like loads of people come back and started looking at his guitars and shit and you're not allowed to look at his guitars I know I want a bit yeah I had a little argument and then that was it I think we had a little bit of a oh let me smash the drop of a fight yeah I think proper brawl cricket bats and air rifles dustbins no one used to kick it back to hit me or just wave it at my head I don't remember much but we had with air rifles and we locked them up they got locked up because they might have got used it was all there was just a lot of just running around and fucking throwing shit at the people and I just remember him getting in the car driving off and I'm stood there like a fucking a wild bastard just going car you fucking shitbag didn't you throw a dustbin at the car or something yeah yeah I think it was flying up the drive yeah yeah should have yeah it's just little thing but them little things are just little you know what I mean it's the crack in it it was carnage you know some things got broken some I mean here I didn't really know what to make of all that because it was the first time I'd kind of seen something like that but I wasn't used to it but everybody here seemed to uh take it in their stride as you know I think they'd seen it they'd seen it all before so nothing was going to shock them so yeah they just cleaned it up the next day and it was like nothing had happened yeah I think Noel went home he's always been a bit like that you know what I mean what you're doing bringing people back when we're working and I get it you know what I mean but my argument would be what you're doing fucking taking 900 fucking takes to fucking do one guitar riff when you should be in the fucking pub with me you know what I mean entertaining me it's not as good we weren't as fucking we weren't like bros or anything and we weren't fucking like like fucking Jedward you know what I mean Jedward you know what I mean we weren't like we'd just go all right and he'd go all right and then yeah we had that was the story of the band's life man really so it'd sort of be good one minute and then it'd be chaotic the next until the poor lad had enough one night in Paris and then he took his bottle home and then the other story is the recording of Wonderwall yeah where Noel is outside in the courtyard yeah sitting on the wall with the birds yeah your mate Nick is there micing it all only like I remember doing Wonderwall I had to set him up on the wall outside the coach I studio so I just set the mics up up there and he's doing the guy guitars for Wonderwall we're done on top of the wall so I've been in the town oh yeah probably had a couple of lagers but bought a remote-controlled car right properly no big fat wheels on it next thing I'm looking at a lounge and see Noel's up on a wall loads of microphones on him outside with an acoustic guitar and it's like what the fuck what's he doing student and he's trying to catch the atmosphere you know the birds singing and all that stuff so I was like I'm getting him so I got this car and I'm like I'm laughing this so I was like I got it in first gear down so his car's like you can see no dead like in his headphones today is gonna be the day that they're gonna throw it back to you by now you should have somehow realized what you gotta do I don't believe that anybody feels the way I do about you now backbeat the word is on the street that the fire in your heart is out I'm sure you've heard it all before but you never really had a doubt I don't believe that anybody feels the way I do about you now and all the roads we have to walk a winding and all the lights that lead us there are blinding there are many things that I would 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one that saves me you're gonna be the one that saves me you're gonna be the one that saves me you're gonna be the one that saves me you're gonna be the one that saves me you're gonna be the one that saves me you're gonna be the one that saves me you're gonna be the one that saves me you're gonna be the one that saves me which is huge no one's done anything like that before you know the size and scale of that nobody's done anything like that before really and then the bit that's interesting is that there's a brilliant interview from Noel saying that looking back everybody was frazzled at that point we'd spent you know it doesn't sound like a long time but we spent two years either recording or on the road yeah just on it yeah on it over and over and over again and there's this pressure to be wild there's this pressure to be the biggest band in the world all the time you've constantly got to think of something outrageous to say in interviews everybody wants a piece of you 24/7 it culminated with Nebworth and it was this massive thing what we should have done is said we're you know we need a break we're out for six months we'll come back in a little while but we didn't we just try to you know oh we'll carry on doing what we do and we'll just kind of thing and he said that it's like a you know the wheels are in motion and that like the band's destruction have started by that by that point yeah yeah yeah yeah but it's I don't know but you have to remember from I guess from the launch of definitely maybe to Nebworth yeah it was like two years yeah yeah yeah yeah and it's do you know what I mean they've gone from being like living in a flat sharing a flat yeah you know in like crappy areas of Manchester to Nebworth yeah and in two years yeah the ride I mean I can't think of another band that originally I mean you they get compared to the Beatles and stuff like that the Beatles rise wasn't like that no it wasn't this meteoric you know from no I mean the band didn't come from nowhere they had this kind of two year bit before that but from our perspective that's what it looked like yeah yeah here's definitely maybe yes you know what I mean and then you blink and then they're at Nebworth yeah yeah I can't think of another band that no no it was it was something else wasn't it the other thing I think that that always hits me when I I know I hit me again watching supersonic today was how like the in this was what 90 uh uh uh uh 94 so do you know what there wasn't there was no internet the internet was really 96 it was a little bit pre yeah we had the internet we didn't have the world wide web being being a pedant yeah yeah but um so I had the internet but not many you know what I mean it wasn't like a pervasive thing we uh but there were no things like pop idol oh I see okay so reality shows talent shows yeah yeah yeah yeah it didn't exist by this point yeah um rock and roll bands were rock and roll bands you know what I mean that you didn't have like you had super groups but you didn't have man like a man you had them yeah you take that and you're west lines you had that you had the sort of boy bands that that were packaged yeah for a particular market but you didn't have it wasn't kind of packaged in the same in the in the same sense in the same sense you know you you you just didn't didn't have that it was kind of like like Oasis were like lightning in a bottle weren't it yeah yeah yeah Alan McGee managed to kind of grab it that's that's it that's the thing that's what people want and then you know being able to market that and and um but they for me they were kind of one of the last like wild rock and roll bands yes do you know what I mean like because if you think about what came after this it was it started to get um I the words were more manufactured and I don't mean that in like a you know I kind of mean that people they were creating products yeah productized is a better yeah it was it was far more um like designed I mean Oasis weren't I mean it wasn't designed it was you know what I mean it was just it was like so improbable that it was going to work the way it was that those songs those lads you know all of the things that went around that for me they're kind of um it was like the peak of an era it was just before that digital era started yes where people bought albums bought music went to gigs yeah and then the internet came along and then you're if you think about it you're almost immediately diluting that you've got Napster fairly quickly after this and you've got you know that um diluting the value of music itself and even going to live gigs you know being able to stream stuff and YouTube and you know what I mean and I think that time that kind of the mid like 96 yes for that is that peak because then it starts to dip yeah fairly because people didn't buy albums anymore um and it and it changed things and uh you know I think Oasis are I'm trying to think of what there must have been other bands that were around the world at the time but for like certainly here in the UK Oasis with the last great yeah rock and roll yeah yeah yeah you know and I wonder if we'll ever see it again we were bang into it 24/7 we were also which is our downfall we were also in a fucking the other side of it as well the party side of it you know I mean like all these bands that sit there and go oh yeah we're fucking great yeah you're great you were shit at getting off your box on weren't you so you lot can go you know I mean we were good at being in the studio we're also good at being in the pub you know what I mean and I'm proud of that as much as I am of the the great vocals and the fucking takes in the studio you know I mean we were we were fucking into the whole thing well everything's too yeah I don't know this yeah you could say so much but everything's so kind of available and there and there was a bit there were you know I know you said they were kind of out there doing but there was a bit of mystery about them oh they created that there was there was a myth yeah you know Oasis created their own myth and I think that's part of the part of the part of the appeal for me is is is that kind of mythology around the songs or around the artists you know and I mean I the point where I really discovered Oasis because I was probably a little bit younger definitely maybe I know it was only a year later but in terms of like the kind of music I was listening to in that sort of stuff and it was when what's the story landed and suddenly Wonderwall's there yeah you know you're not necessarily even don't look back in angle I loved it the song it's a fantastic song but I remember Wonderwall really capturing me and cast no shadow really really yeah yeah champagne supernova being beautiful and because I was picking up the guitar at the time yeah like I said on a couple of other podcasts before around this era these are the songs I learned you were playing yeah so I so I was learning I was learning their songs and actually you know there's an argument to say that this is another band that perhaps influenced my writing in some way yeah yeah that's a really good point because of that they're in the gene pool of the things I was learning on guitar I didn't I didn't really connect with either of these records when they came out it was much later for me this wasn't the music I was in the mid 90s you know yeah that just wasn't the music I was listening to and it was probably I don't know probably 10 years later yeah you know and and just here and thinking oh that's that you know quite cool that is yeah go back and have a listen um but but interestingly enough actually come to think of it it was the album just think about so this was guitar when I started singing and developing my voice and and learning to sing or practicing singing yeah that was the one after so that was be here now oh so be here now was the one that had the chord book with the lyrics so I'd learn to play those songs I I didn't didn't fancy it at the beginning I'd like to think I was clever enough to say we should have two front men but I wasn't but in hindsight it was fucking great how it would work would be he would sing them all and then I'd be like hmm maybe not getting that one maybe I'll try that one one of the great things about Oasis gigs would be after 40 minutes it was all kind of calm down and I'd sing talk tonight and half the world away and they're no lesser songs you know they're fucking amazing songs and they bring and they're communal anthems everybody would take a breath if songs were drinks right Liam's is a shot of tequila right and mine's half a Guinness mine's half a Guinness on a Tuesday yeah it's alright Liam's is ten shots of tequila on a fucking Friday night it's the delivery or the tone of his voice and the attitude I don't have the same attitude as him the only time we ever had a thing was when we do morning glory and it was Wonderwall and don't look back in anger and I said I'm singing one of them you take your pick and and he hated Wonderwall I wanted to sing don't look back in anger but then someone from creation came down and said that's going to be a worldwide hit and he went I do like it what's it like trying to sing Liam you certainly can't imitate him you know that's what I was thinking yeah you certainly can't do that but you can that I'll tell you what it is about about Noel's songs and because obviously Noel was kind of the primary principal writer he can write a hook he can write a top line and actually they're really like Oasis songs and actually really nice songs to sing okay because because they because they're very they're written I don't know they're written with singing a simple top line in mind yeah yeah so you can sing it back or so a crowd can sing it to you yeah and that and he's he's a kind of a master we should talk about that because they're anthemic aren't they whenever you see Oasis live yeah there's a huge part of the audience yeah taking part in that and it is it's that there are a few bands that are just brilliant that I think I think Bon Jovi a brilliant and Nickelback are amazing at this they've got this ability to write a song which you you want to scream yeah back to them and everybody you feel like empowered to yes like it's not like Pearl Jam no where you don't know any of the words to any of the songs you know the noises yeah like yeah but you don't know the you know what I mean whereas this stuff is like like it's all about create creating a communal experience yeah I think that's why Nebworth happened because they were they were incredible at creating communal experiences for people that went to see them because of the songs and because of you know they wanted to see Liam they wanted to hear that voice they wanted to hear Noel sing but then and they wanted them to you know because they're a bit gobby aren't they and they wanted to experience that but ultimately you know past all of that I think Oasis are a band that bring people together to enjoy music I think and I think that's it that and that's why that meteoric rise happened there's a lovely bit in supersonic where Noel is kind of reflecting back on like the first few gigs saying that you know we obviously we knew our songs and we knew we were the best band in the world yeah even though only seven people came to see it right and he said that there was this point is that I can still remember this point he said we as the first singles went out so their supersonic went out it changed so we were going and playing and it's in steadily the numbers increase but they didn't know us we were essentially being put on bigger bills yeah but they weren't our fans mmm and then he says like overnight kids turned up and they were there to see us yes and it was just after supersonic went out and he said that there was this like feeling that he said nothing's ever come close to it before and it was that first time I mean it doesn't like nebworth didn't come close to this is that but you you you've written supersonic we've been playing it for months and we've been a couple of months and then all of a sudden you're in a you know thousand fifteen hundred seater you know theater it's when we got to Japan cigarettes and alcohol really the kids hang out in parks drinking cider in Tokyo I don't know but again it's got to be the melodies of something there's just something I don't know looking back on it now and even in America you know what I mean it's like we we we we hit it off pretty quickly there's it's got to be magic that's all it can be you can't say well it's because of we never had a particularly big hit in America until Wonderwall we never had a big hit in Europe people were coming to us we weren't we weren't ramming it down people's throats so it has to be the it has to be the music it just has to be it's gone and everyone's singing your lyrics back to you yeah and he said the the absurdity of the fact that you know I I wrote those lyrics haphazardly in a room in 15 minutes at three o'clock in the afternoon to fit this this because we needed a song that our drummer could play yeah and he said that you know they're meaningless they're not they it's not like philosophy or poetry or you know I there's no meaning behind this stuff I needed a song I needed a hook I need and that's I so I just threw that's what came out of my brain to fill the gaps that I you know I needed the things to say and then to see these kids hooked on these words and and singing them back to you he said he said it was like you know nothing compares to so I mean so it's all about supersonic yeah just think of the top line on that it's pretty much one note it's all the way through I mean it's like it's one it's pretty much one note which with the occasional jump and that and that's the verse it's it's so of course people are going to sing it yeah because it's easy it's memorable it's catchy it's simple it's yeah it is great she's electric she's in a family full of eccentrics she's done things I've never never expected and I need more time she's got a sister and got only one She's electric She's in a family full of eccentrics She's done things I've never expected And I need more time She's got a sister And God only knows how I've missed her And on the palm of her hand is a blister And I need more time And I want you to know I've got my mind made up now But I need more time And I want you to say Do you know what I'm saying? But I need more 'Cause I'll be you and you'll be me There's lots and lots for us to see There's lots and lots for us to do And I want you to know what I'm saying And I want you to know what I'm saying I want you to know what I'm saying And I want you to know what I'm saying I want you to know what I'm saying I want you to know what I'm saying I want you to know what I'm saying I want you to know what I'm saying I want you to know what I'm saying I want you to know what I'm saying And I want you to know what I'm saying And I want you to know what I'm saying I want you to know what I'm saying I want you to know what I'm saying I want you to know what I'm saying And I want you to know what I'm saying Got my mind made up now Got my mind made up now But I need more time And I want you to say Do you know what I'm saying But I need more Cause I'll be you and you'll be me There's lots and lots for us to see There's lots and lots for us to do She's electric Could I be electric too? Could I be electric too? Could I be electric too? Can I be electric too? It was written around the time of Definitely Maybe But it got bumped for Diggsie's Dinner Because I think Diggsie's Dinner sounded better live Because it's a less complicated song But again it's got great words I don't know how I've come up with that shit I don't know how I've come up with that It's kind of like The importance of being idle in its 60s-ness And it's got a definite kind of story And it's very Britpop And listening to Liam at those iNotes was like Wow Like I say we weren't snobs It's like when I would play people cigarettes and alcohol for the first time And they'd say It sound like T-Rex So I'm like no No shit Does it fuck off? What? No way I'd never noticed that You know Aren't those two chords the same as Imagine? No shit You can't do that I can And I will And I have And you'll buy it So fuck off I want to talk about Rockfield Yeah A little bit Because you've been there Yeah well It was really Because doing these interviews And then suddenly hearing sort of Nick Brine You know chiming in And he obviously engineered So Owen Morris was the producer of What's the Story And Nick Brine was engineering it Yeah And he's someone who I've been on a musical journey with If that makes any sense Because you did Circularity there didn't you? Circularity And what else did you do there? So well I met Nick Brine through Scott Who's sort of Oh Kicking Pyramid Kicking Pyramid Yeah yeah yeah And he kind of you know Was wanting to make an album And at the time we were sort of doing stuff Yeah And we went into With Nick And suddenly like this Kind of epic Kind of crazy album came out Called Uh Oh Which was lovely And And I just remember being there that weekend And going I need to come back here Like all the time Because I just had such an amazing time And experience there That I wanted to replicate it Yeah And we So we did a You know a few more things With him there And you know Star from Ivy did a record And Ride in the Low did a record And Oh I don't know Which record did you know Neighbourhood I didn't realise you did that then Yeah Neighbourhood was done at Rockfield So Chris Lucerenko produced it He came from From the US Why is it Is it Guided by Voices? It was in Guided by Voices Yeah Well no actually I don't know if it was even Guided by Voices But he certainly helped with Bob Pollard With his records Right So that sort of stuff You know lovely guy And so Nick was Nick sort of engineered that And Chris sort of produced That second record Neighbourhood And The reason I wanted to talk about Rockfield Is because around that time Where we were doing quite a few things together Yeah You know me and Nick Got on really well And we were And he was talking about like We've got this Like what's the story anniversary Coming up I don't think I've even told you about this ever So we've got this sort of It's been 20 years or 25 years Or something like that Right We've got this anniversary coming For What's the Story We want to do like an event Like a weekend event Yeah And what we want to do Is we want to invite people to come in And they sort of stay over Yeah But while they're here There's a band here That kind of play What's the Story Morning Glory Yeah In the studio Right Like you know Using the gear Yeah And all that sort of stuff Yeah So we made that band So Oh no way Yeah Yeah so So we There was a few of us We learnt the songs It was me and Justin And I think Matt Benstead And it might have been I think Mark Yeah Mark Mikowski Yeah From Stralstar Might have been to the drums It's really good Mark Yeah yeah So we kind of like Learned the album Yeah And we kind of I suppose it's hard You can't It's hard to play it like Oasis Really Yeah Yeah I suppose But we did that And it was a wonderful experience And you know So we sort of played the songs You know I don't sound like Liam When I sing for example Yeah But we But we played the songs And they sang them So they could hear them In the studio Yeah It was a lovely experience For the people that went It was really A really nice weekend And then we sort of Did a gig for them And everyone had some drinks And that kind of thing But I played The Wonderwall guitar Oh So Nick Brian owns The Wonderwall guitar So there's an Epiphone I think Oh no It might have been Takamini Oh I can't remember now Anyway It might have been Takamini That Noel gave to Leah Oh sorry Noel gave to Nick Yeah As like a gift Or Like a payment maybe Or something like that Yeah yeah yeah I just you know I think there was almost this thing Of like that would be worth A few bob in a few years That you know That kind of line Yeah yeah yeah And I think it's obviously worth Yeah Crazy Tens if not hundreds Of thousands of pounds now And So I You know If memory serves We had that guitar Yeah And sort of played it You know And my mic's up And played Wonderwall Using that How cool is that And yeah And it was You know I mean My personal opinion Is that I think It's one of the greatest Acoustic sounds You know Recordings ever made It's really interesting It's a beautiful Right Picky kind of thing I think That There's There's a Like The compression On So the compression The loudness The way they managed To make it sound So big Has this Real value On acoustic Tracks Because it pulls Everything out I think It almost does Like the opposite To the Raucous Rock and roll You know The Like Sort of prettifies it A little bit Yeah It does So like You know You've got like Like You've got a rock and roll Star off Definitely maybe I think if you Done that too much It wouldn't Because it's As the first few bars Of that kick in And they've got That kind of Overdubbed lead Guitars It kind of Kicks in It's got a Squill It's got a Cut through And as you Compress it It loses The bite Yeah But with An acoustic Track Yeah It like It brings The details up And it makes It sound Better I think And I think There's no Yeah I don't I just I think Again It was this Thing where It's like Improbable But You know The way The way Definitely maybe Was recorded It kind of It works It's got that Rock and roll Edge to it Yeah And the way Definitely maybe The way What's the story Was recorded You know Being done At the same Point At that point Where the Loudness wars Is just Starting to Kick in Everything's Being made Bigger and Louder Liam's Around less Noel wants To do more Noel's preferring This acoustic Stuff because It fits His voice Better You know Liam's Kind of More rock And roll And scowly And Noel's a little Bit softer And gentler And There's a lot More acoustic Guitar on What's the story And there's Got that Atmosphere To it That is Missing There's None of That On Definitely Maybe And so The compression It's not Something that I normally Like But it's What makes That record Work Part of What makes That record Work Where I think It softens The raucous Rock and roll Wonderwall's an Interesting one Because if you Ever play it Or sing it Or hear it In the band Like you're in a Band and you do it You always play it Straight and it's Got such a groove To it Like the actual Recording song Is quite Swung It's quite Funk You know It's got a Really interesting Feel to it That is very Very difficult To replicate And I think That's I think there's A version of Wonderwall that You hear At open mic Right So around the Place and with People singing In pubs and People covering It and that Kind of thing To hearing it On that record Yeah Okay I mean I've Actually I don't Think I've ever Heard them play Live Wonderwall But I can't There was something In that take That they captured Yeah That's got a Really interesting Feel to it Yeah I The Mono Valley Versions Of the songs When you hear When you hear Noel talk about Them he was like Well we didn't Rewrite the songs They sound totally Different Yeah The drumming Is completely Different on the Mono Valley Version to Definitely maybe To the ones That got recorded Yeah Finally And it's And I keep Talking about This but There's like There is a Special thing When a band Are in a place And it gets Recorded Yeah That's the thing You know what I mean It's the The magic is the Wrong word But it's that Point in time Of where Everybody's feeling Like what you had For dinner Whether you stayed Up too late I think that's The art of it Yeah I think that's The art of music The art of music Isn't in the Technicality of it It's not in the No You know the way You deliver a performance It's about Capturing a moment Yeah well I think yeah I think you're right I think that's Where the kind of Production and Engineering come into it And it's about Having people I remember I remember you Talking about Recording Paddy's Vocals And about how Different it was When you did it In this space Compared to In the studio Just because You were both Dead relaxed Yeah And you got A different Performance Yes You know Yeah yeah yeah And I think It's not like I think actually We might have used The ones in his Garage So it was even More so So you know It was that I remember you Talking about that And just this Kind of light bulb Went off for me Where it's like Yeah because I Perform differently I think differently In different spaces And you know Depending on where I am and what I'm doing You know You are different And it's got to Be the same When you're Playing or singing Or doing whatever And I think So there's a Balance isn't there It's a It's where Where that Artist is At that point In time On that day You know And down to Like what the Weather's like Whether it's hot Whether it's cold You know How their day's been Did the taxi driver Annoy them on the way in Yeah yeah yeah You know All of that Kind of stuff And then having The engineering Ability to capture That performance That point in time It's why I don't Like these Remastery Rerecordy things And I just think It's like You're changing You're changing The art You're changing The moment You're trying to Re A little bit You're trying to Improve something That doesn't need Improving I think There's some things Where I think I must sound So hypocritical I'm sure people Listen to the show Like what are you Talking about It changed your Mind again Yeah But there are Some things That I think It's really valuable So like the early Rolling Stone stuff Yeah It was done to tape Recorded in the 60s Sounds shockingly bad In mono Yeah Being able to Use modern Techniques Yeah To suck The detail And everything That we possibly can Off those tapes Now with better heads Better You know Better magnets And you know Super high resolution Recording And then pull That recording To make it The best it can be I'm all for that I think that's great Yeah What I really Don't like Is when they're Pulling You know Going pulling Definitely maybe Off the tapes Yeah And then running it Through Pro Tools Yeah And oh we'll just Like compress that A little bit Oh we'll knock that Bit back a little bit And oh That bit's not Quite in key Or they did this With Queen Yeah They redid some Of the Queen stuff And like I was Really torn with it Because they pulled It back off They resampled it Big fan of that Then they tuned it Yeah Because Freddie Mercury's Vocals weren't quite in key Yeah So they nudged them Yeah And like A it's Freddie Mercury Don't touch it Yeah And B you don't There's no need for that Yeah Right Yeah There's a reason Queen are like Massively huge stars A massively popular band We love the fact Yeah It's interesting Don't touch it It's the dehumanisation Of music A little bit Yeah That's the process You're talking about It's where you're Taking the human element The imperfections The little Yeah The little bits Where it's a feely thing Or something I remember that I probably I don't know if I spoke About this on the podcast Before But I remember Watching Rick Beato Doing One Arm Scissor Oh yeah At the driving song Yeah And he's breaking it all down He's ripping it all apart He's got You know All the different stems As he does Yeah Turning stuff up Turning stuff down And there's a bit Where it goes Nothing's in tune Yeah but when you play But when you play it all Together It works It just works Like the guitar Like if you play the guitars On their own They sound Awful It's not tuned They're not in tune The guitars just aren't in tune They're like hitting them Really hard And they're over Bending You know All that sort of stuff And then suddenly You put it You put it in the thing And the energy's there And you've got that thing And then that's That's a one arm scissor Yeah yeah yeah And you know That for me is And it's taken me a long time To learn this Yeah Because I was always about And it's you know Even so I still fall into this trap now I was always about Getting the perfect take Perfect yeah yeah Perfect take You know It's got to be Totally in time It's got to be all that And actually The best stuff comes where You just hit record There's a weirdness to it I think Where I said this I reviewed a Trivium album And it was Incredible Like the most incredible riffs And the most incredible guitar playing You know The drumming was just Perfect I mean perfect And I remember getting to the end of it And just thinking I felt a bit cold Yeah Right yeah yeah I was just like This is just like This exquisite demonstration Of perfection Right It's just extraordinary But it didn't I didn't want to I didn't want to Put it back on again Start it back on again You know And there's this weird thing I think where And I think Especially like Not necessarily playing to click I don't think that's necessarily The thing that kills it But it's part of it It's this drive Like say drive for perfection Yeah You know the albums that Always stand out to me It's nearly always the debut album Yeah yeah yeah That I prefer And often it's this There's just this The decades where albums were done You're usually to To analogue But that's not the reason The reason I like it Is because they typically Weren't done to click It's difficult to do it So they were You know They've got this Like Feel to them Where they kind of Feel alive Yes There's this something about it Where it kind of feels Authentic and genuine And Not that modern music doesn't But it's not in the same way It doesn't Doesn't feel the same To me I wonder if You know I guess the younger generations Can even tell Can even tell Do you know what I mean Whether Yeah yeah Like they could Because like Be Here Now Would have been done Digitally Right To click Yeah And definitely Maybe Definitely Wasn't And I wonder if Like to me Those records sound Like different bands Yes They sound like You know That's not the same band That recorded those Be Here Now Is such a An indulgent Oh god yeah Excursion It's layer after layer And there's bits of it That I love actually Like do you know what I mean I think it's a phenomenal song I really like that song And I like the production of it I like how it sounds Fat I like how they repeat Things for far longer Than they should Yeah You know That's true I mean that's a kind of An oasis thing They're a dead jam They jams devout They you know They sit They sit with something For 16 bars Rather than 8 And those kind of things And it is It's phenomenal But yeah There's something There's something In the gets As a body of work I mean the thing is It might be someone's Favourite album Yeah But for me It doesn't have the magic That these two have It's weird isn't it And then you had What was standing On the shoulder of Giants And they all I mean I described this Like Be Here Now I was in the queue You know they had this thing On the back of the album It was August the 8th Or whatever The way it was released Yeah I was on holiday And I was buying that album When it came out Wow I can't think so I was really into it Like yeah So like for me If definitely maybe Was a 10 Like I like Watch the story 5 And Be Here Now Like 2 and a half Oh wow right And then they dropped down Really quickly for me Like they Veered so far away From the thing I liked about them And then it just started to Yeah their polish Do you know what I mean The polish and the layers And the complexity Just like turned me off Like steadily more And more and more As they got more popular Do you know what I mean As it appealed to more And more people Yeah I wonder You know I wonder if Because at this point It's a band Yeah And by the time you get To Be Here Now It's Noel It's Noel And a bit of Liam Yeah And whoever's around Yeah And then after that It's kind of Well you can hear It's sort of the same thing I think it's really interesting Because if you listen to BDI Yeah Sounds like definitely maybe Okay If you go and listen to High Flying Birds Yeah Sounds like Be Here Now Right okay And then you can hear Like I don't know whether Probably people are screaming Going oh you're a dickhead That's what That's how it sounds to me Right It sounds to me That That's the That's like the evolution of that And that's the evolution of that Yeah exactly So like I would probably go and listen to BDI Rather than Yeah Those kind of later Oasis records They sound more rock and roll to me Yeah But yeah I just think it's interesting But I think there's this kind of magic For definitely maybe Where you've got both of the brothers there And you've still got that influence From Yeah yeah yeah From Noel Yeah You know I mean Liam's doing his kind of You know rock god thing But you've got Noel Noel's really right in the songs Just steering the ship a little bit Yeah Yeah exactly Because BDI is not I mean it's quite cool But it's not Oasis It's not the same Yeah I know High Flying Birds isn't Oasis But it's a lot more I guess High Flying Birds Was a lot closer To the songs Yeah Yeah to where Oasis You know the kind of standing on the shoulder Of Giants stuff It kind of naturally ebbs and flows Into High Flying Birds I think And you can I mean you can just hear it I mean it's ultimately Noel With different session musicians Yeah Yeah yeah yeah But But yeah It's an interesting one for me That the more complicated the songs got And I guess probably the better The more grown up it gets Like the less I cared about it I was kind of like You know that's not But then again You know Oasis Were kind of Right at the ragged edge Of what my taste Would probably Yeah Run You know what I mean Run to it's kind of It's right on that poppy Yeah Edge It definitely maybe Was kind of a little bit raucousy But by the time you were here It was you know It was just getting a little bit On the The sweet side Yes You know Yeah But yeah I I still Yeah I still quite appreciate These These albums Even Even on Standing on the Shoulder of Giants There's some great tracks Some great song Great songwriting on there It's just not quite got the You kind of get the feeling That Liam's wings have been clipped a bit Yeah Do you know what I mean Yeah He's like not quite He's in a cage Yeah He's not quite flying as free as he was Earlier Yeah Yeah yeah With Oasis it was quick It was fast Because obviously coming off the back of Stone Rose's album That took 14 months And then other albums that I'd done They were fast We was kind of working on A song a day Noel would get in and he'd put a guide Acoustic down always Why he'd nail the drums And he'd be like Right bass in with the bass quigs Me Him with the guitar He'd do his overdubs He'd come in and sing It was really quick I remember that Really quick session Song after song You know That's because there was Loves of pubs in town That we heard that were good You know what I mean It was like Get in there and fucking smash it out And then fucking pub Pub For something We just loved being in the pub I'd do bits of engineering Keep the tape machines running Set up all the microphones You know Record the band A lot of driving to the pub All hours You'd wait Obviously you'd wait Until you get your stuff done And that But as soon as you get your stuff done If that was done That one in the afternoon Then you'd be in the pub By ten past one You know what I mean Yeah I mean I would just go to the pub And then Till we came back And then I would drive everyone back You know Obviously somebody had to remain sober Because we were on tape back in them days I thought this would be a long one It's a long He's trying to squeeze two Into one isn't it It was always good And the thing is There's so much to talk about Yeah There's so many stories And you know It's just brilliant though It's been really nice To sort of spend time with the record And you know Time with the people that made it I don't know I just think the time You know We've obviously put in this out Now because You know Oasis are having this huge moment The brothers are back together They're You know Playing great songs In big stadiums With a fantastic band And everyone's loving it And all the critics Are having a good time with it And the audiences Are all buzzing about it And it just seemed like The right time to look into these two Didn't it Yeah I mean it fits with What we've been doing as well I think You know I think we've been looking at The The Alternate Yeah Brit pop Yeah The alternate kind of British rock bands That were happening at the time Yeah And I don't know You're right It fits It fits both In In the journey That we've been on And the albums That we've covered So if you're If you're If this was an era For you Kind of discovering Rock music And you like this kind of stuff Then it might be worth checking out Some of the Die back a couple of weeks Some of the episodes That we've done prior to this We've been covering Like British rock bands The kind of You know The Skunker Nancys And the Wild Hearts And the Almighty And stuff Little Angels Yeah We had a really good time Covering those Therapy we did as well Yeah So we've had a really good time Covering those And it kind of felt Quite natural to me To kind of come and Absolutely Because these two records Would have been the biggest Of the decade I think And for me You know What I've inadvertently Found myself doing Over these last few weeks In particular Particularly as the Chronology has gone forward A little bit Yeah Is I've been reflecting On my experience With learning music Yeah And actually Figuring out songs And songwriting And singing And playing the guitar And Because that's obviously Such a huge part of my life Yeah This was the roots of that All of these records were It's easy to I say it's easy to Forget But I think This music Puts you back in That time That frame of mind You know There's albums That we've played There's There are A few albums That like The first few bars Will put me back At that point That I heard it Yeah Music's got a A way of doing that I think Yeah Sparking those memories Which is why We've talked about this As well But It's more than The music You know I mean It's the music And the memories And the times And you know All of that stuff That they That they represent It's why You know No one can agree On the best Metallica album Yes Because it kind of Depends on when you Discover them Who's your Metallica Yeah It is And it's like We talk about this With like Sepultura As well Yeah Because you're A bit earlier than me Yeah And it's funny Like there are some albums That we're like You know That we totally agree on That is definitely The right thing But there are some bands That it's like We're not And it's because Of when we Discovered them When we picked up On them What's our version Of that thing Yeah And it's what they mean to you Like for me It was beneath the remains For For Sepultura Sure And I remember And I remember And I remember Going to college I remember Earbuds in Yeah Heading off onto college Listening to that Yeah Where some earbuds roots And it's It's where you Yeah Where you pick these things And your relationship With With them And Yeah I think One of the things That comes across With Oasis Particularly Is Is that connection To To people Yeah You know And how they They manage They seem to manage To Connect to half Of the British population In like in a meaningful way Yeah As well You know There are so few Artists That manage to do that You know And I'm thinking like ACDC will do that Alanis Morissette Did that You know The Beatles And The Rolling Stones And you know These kind of epic bands That That managed to do it But it's a It's a generational thing It's not Yeah It's not common For For bands To break through The kind of You know The Societal Boundaries Of You know Of class Or where you came from Or the country Or whatever And I think You know Noel Makes a really good point That the The songs are kind of Open to everybody You know They're Come and get them Yeah It's a bit of that Isn't it They're here They're here for you Come and get them You know They're vague enough I think That you can kind of Map them to whatever You want But Do you have a favourite Do you have a favourite Across the two albums Do you have like a favourite Sort of standout song Oh I mean for me It'd be hard to choose Between Supersonic Rock and rock and roll star Okay But they're the two for me That always stand out It's always rock and roll Star that stands out For me That you know And when they do it live too Yeah That song was just Written for Liam It's just Do you know what I mean It's kind of the embodiment Of that Yeah That boy to me It's just kind of You know How about you When It was funny What you said about that Because when we When I did that thing The other night I was talking about You know Silverstone Yeah Where did the This Oasis tribute thing Yeah Supersonic was my favourite One to play Was it Yeah By quite a long way Actually Because the guy The guy who was doing The sort of Noel thing Did the intro riff Yeah And I did the little Pick scrape At the start You know that little Creaky kind of thing While it was going And I was just like This is dead cool You know I carried it all the way Through that riff And then it kicks into the song And the room went And you're like This is a good song This is This is it And the only song That they didn't play Yeah On the set list Was my actual All the time favourite Oasis song Which is Which is Cast No Shadow Cast No Shadow Yeah from Morning Glory And because I think I adore it I think it's a beautiful Beautiful song Compare that to Rock and Roll Star Yeah yeah yeah It's like It's really hard to describe But it's like Somebody different Wrote the song Yeah yeah yeah You know And you know It's just development Of songwriting and stuff And you know It's inevitable Yes Almost all bands Do it Right Except for ACDC I suppose And a few Prong never really Did that either But there's a few There's a few bands That kind of deliver this You know The same Yeah It's exactly what you expect You get what you expect Most bands develop But yeah It's the songwriting difference Between these two albums For me It's like a marked Step up In maturity Of songs I think The thing about Cast No Shadow Is for me It's a beautiful song To play and sing Right The way the top line works The way it kind of dances It's quite a dancey top line And I don't know You can just You can really like Disappear into the song Yeah When you're singing And playing it And I like it And Yeah It's just I think that's it for me As we're going through these I'm thinking about Which are your favourite songs It's the ones that I like To play and sing Yeah Yeah I think And that's why I like High Off Feeder Because I really like Playing that and singing that So that's It's interesting It's about the connection Yeah But my connection is beyond listening It's about My relationship with Almost like performing The song as well Here's a thought for every man Who tries to understand What is in his hands What's in his mind He walks along the open road Of love and life Surviving if we can Surviving if we can Bound with all the weight Of all the words He tried to say Chained to all the places That he never wished to stay Bound with all the weight Of all the words He tried to say As he faced the sun He cast no shadow As they took his soul As they took his soul They stole his pride As they took his pride As they took his soul They stole his pride As they took his soul They stole his pride As they took his pride As they took his pride As they took his soul They stole his pride As they took his soul They stole his pride As he faced the sun He cast no shadow As he faced the sun The sun He cast no shadow He cast no shadow He cast no shadow As they took his pride As they took his pride As they took his pride guitar solo guitar solo He walks along the open road of love and life Surviving if he can Bound with all the weight of all the words he tried to say Chained to all the places that he never wished to stay Bound with all the weight of all the words he tried to say As he faced the sun he cast no shadow As they took his soul they stole his pride As they took his soul they stole his pride As they took his soul they stole his pride As they took his soul they stole his pride As they took his soul they stole his pride As they took his soul they stole his pride As he faced the sun he cast no shadow As he faced the sun he cast no shadow As he faced the sun he cast no shadow As he faced the sun he cast no shadow As he faced the sun he cast no shadow As he faced the sun he cast no shadow cast no shadow is my uh actually in my head I believe I wanted it to sound like Pink Floyd Because it's the same chords as Wish You Were Here The opening chords are the same Like I said I was listening to it today And it sounds a bit half baked to me It's kind of there's a country thing going on And it's kind of something that's It's kind of fallen in between two stylistic stools But it's a fucking great song You know some of the best words I ever wrote in that song Bound with all the weight of all the words he tried to say Chained to all the places that he never wished to stay I mean fucking I have no recollection of writing it right But when I heard it today I was like fucking hell mate Well done You know it's a great great fucking line You know profound even do you know what I mean And uh Yeah again just writing on instinct On that you're not really thinking about it You know what I mean And it's a shame it hasn't got a second verse When we were doing it here Uh morning glory Uh the verve Or the verve Whatever the fucking hell they were called then I'd split up for the first time And it was a pretty nasty fallout As I remember And Richard had taken it pretty badly And Him and Owen Were quite close And uh Just dedicated it to him There's a beauty I think to The stuff on What's the story That's like totally missing From Definitely maybe You know definitely The rock and roll star The You know the There's There's this Swagger And almost punk rock Kind of Uh vibe To Definitely maybe By the time you watch the story There's this beauty to it Where there's kind of layers And strings And complexity And you know what I mean It's like Confidence I would say In Noel's songwriting Yes That's totally missing From definitely maybe And for me that's what makes Definitely maybe shine Right It's kind of simpler and paired Shine Shine But it's But it's But there's this This thing to it Where You know it's It's like a different band Yeah I mean I know it's not a different band But it's But it It's It's the level of complexity And the level of structure In the songs Um Yeah it's just It is It is That journey You know And in such a short space I mean we talked about this But it's in like Less than a year Probably Between Them recording those two records Um Yeah phenomenal And a gorgeous song too Yeah absolutely Right What are we going to do next Black Sabbath That was a bit of time to think about it It was Well we did Because as we record this And we do time thing This is on a Monday night Which is dead weird for us Yes It's like a school night Yeah And But the weekend that's just gone Because of Silverstone Oh sorry That's why So it's my fault Because I was in Silverstone Silverstone So you were at Silverstone Yeah Doing Doing Uh Uh Gigging in that Yeah So we couldn't do it over the weekend Uh So we're doing this on a Monday But Uh The Saturday just gone Was the Back to the beginning Ozzy Osbourne gig Which just looked So incredible Unbelievable Our social feed Has just been Stuffed full of people Sharing things And people that went And It just looks incredible From beginning to end That gig does Um And I love the fact That it's put a few people In their place Yes There's a few Yeah Whingy Whiny YouTubers Yeah You know who you are Who were talking about How it was going to be awful And Ozzy would just get Kind of rolled out And die basically And it would be awful And why would anyone Blah blah blah blah blah Yeah Um And it was just this Incredible Like a love letter To heavy metal Yeah Yeah To Black Sabbath Where it came from But there were people That were there And you could see That you know The love from everybody That was there To the genre Yeah And it was Just phenomenal One of the One of the He's almost like The Godfather Yeah A little bit Yeah Yeah Absolutely And it was Like a It was like a Like a tribute But the guy's there You know And it was like a Thank you note Yeah Yeah It was For me It was just incredible So many cool bands Yeah So many Everyone Everyone who's Anyone was there It was great Yeah But some weird low points David Draymond Being booed Yeah As he He came out You know Some weird stuff Happened as well But some epic stuff Like you know Jason Moe Moe Doing his Doing his Pitch stuff And Nuno Betancourt Played a blind God he can play He can't He just That boy can He's epic He's just But they were like They were like You know Sons of Anyway I thought it would be great For us to do Just like We'll pick one of the First four Black Sabbath records I don't know Which one Oh It's Paranoid And Warpigs On the same one Yeah Yeah that's what I'm doing then So So that's The thing is I think my favourite Is probably Master of Reality Yeah yeah What songs are See the thing is I don't know the albums I know the songs That's like Sweet Leaf Yeah Children of the Grave Yeah yeah Is on that one And then Paranoid Which is the first one Is Warpigs Yeah that's the stuff Planet Caramac Yeah all that Planet Caramac Planet Caramac Yeah It's got Iron Man On it Iron Man on it Which is just Bloody brilliant And then Volume 4 Which has got like Changes on it Supernaught Snowbind Yeah yeah yeah It's bonkers Those first four albums From Black Sabbath There's You know Yeah Tune after tune After tune After tune It's just epic And it's just this I saw somebody Saying the other day That I think It was somebody That we We chat with On X quite a lot There's a girl Called Amy Who she posts About music And stuff She's really quite cool She did a post Just to say You know Giving credit To Black Sabbath You know The godfathers Of a genre And somebody Replied back Saying they weren't Like I don't get it Right They're not Like the Beatles Are they I was like Yeah They are They are Like the Beatles To me Yeah I've never Listened to a Beatles album End to end The Black Sabbath Black Sabbath Gave me My music genre Yeah That's where it Came from The drop Detuning That kind of Down tune They open the door They open the door For everyone To explore that world Exactly I know it's not Screamy and metally And all that sort of Stuff like it's Become now It's dark But it But it's broody And it had big guitars And it had You know Big distorted things And it was rock and roll And you know That That was a gateway Not a gateway You know As music fans But gateway's music makers It spawned an entire genre And they opened the door And they were the seedling Like you said They opened the door To that world Yeah That And I mean At the time This would have been As extreme as Any metal band Yes That we listen to Today Yeah You know Black Sabbath Because of the world Yeah Because no one was doing that In 1970 You know It was It came from Nowhere Almost So yeah I'm Looking forward to Doing that We'll pick one of those That's got to be the first one Not the first one Paranoid Yeah I think I think You would I think we'll have to Toss something Because I'd love to do Master of Reality Could do both again Could do a double It's too long I'll get tired It's about midnight Isn't it It is It's way past Nine o'clock bedtime Find a key or something Find Go on Let's do some Epic podcasting Is that a key I've got a key So what are you going You need to be honest Because you're Black I feel like I'm going to get Like I'm going to I'm going to lose my house Right So if the writing's up Yeah If the writing's up Yeah That's going to be The War Pigs one Yeah paranoid Yeah Okay do it And then if it's down It's the Master of Reality So Chris has got the room key To the studio Yeah It's got like a little Yellow tag on it And he's going to Launch it into the air And if it lands With the writing up It's paranoid Yeah Do it Do the throwing up Just while we Before we do that Just to build the suspense Oh god yeah go on We just need to say That we've got the wrong Colour fruit pastels tonight Yeah we didn't mention that Did we We've got green ones Not the red and black So where we are In the studio There's a garage across the road And that's the place Where we go Yeah To get the Coke Zero Yeah And the fruit pastels But the fruit pastels Have to be the one In the red packets Red and black Yeah So it's the red and black ones And they didn't have any No So that's why the show That's why the show Is two hours long Right keys Okay here we go Ready Do the thing Yeah I'm going to throw him high Yeah So there's no cheating Yeah Ready Yeah Keys up Keys up It's paranoid Yes War pig War pig's paranoid Planet Caravan Planet Caravan was never Released as a single Was it Oh we'll talk about this Next week But what we'll do Is we'll do that And then we'll do Master's Reality Afterwards The week after Let's just do that The thing is right Because we can do What we want Let's just do all of The Black Sabbath albums In order End to end Do you know I'd love to Do you know We need to go to America Well we need to go back To America It will be phenomenal We could do Let's do all four Paranoid Yeah Do all of them But then What we should do Is we should then Pick somebody That played at The Oh that's a good idea Maybe we could do Aussie We could do We've done an Aussie Record already But we could do I'd look There's so many Aussie Records that are epic We could go and do Aussie But then there's a whole bunch Of stuff that we could go and do That were there I mean Metallica were hanging around Guns and Roses were hanging around Lamb of God Were hanging It's just There's so many Lizzy Hale was there Yeah It was like a who's who Of It was Just epicness So I think that would be Quite a good Spring A natural springboard For us to To wave goodbye To the United Kingdom Of epicness And head over to To some big thick Heavy American Rock and roll Yes Let's do that Let's do that then Alright Thank you for listening I know it's been a long One today I know it's been long Because I'm tired Yes My little eyes are rot I'm like Oh can I go to bed now and we'll see you next week see you next week bye