This Episode · No. 19

RIFF050 - Gun - Gallus

26 May 2025 ·79 min ·Season 2025

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When Glasgow took rock and roll seriously and the rest of Britain didn't notice

Hosts: Neil & Chris
Duration: ~79 minutes
Release: 26 May 2025

Episode Description

This is the one. For Neil, Gun's Gallus isn't just a Scottish hard rock classic from 1992, it's the soundtrack to driving up to Preston (or was it Lancaster?) University, windows down, volume up, questioning everything about the future. The album's message resonated deeply: "Why don't you do it, why don't you go" became "can't let this chance pass me by, I can see it for the first time." That personal connection carries through every discussion of Mark Rankin's vocals, the boxing metaphor of Benny Lynch on the cover, and the album's lean, no-nonsense production.

Recorded at Park Lane Studio in Glasgow by Kenny MacDonald (who also produced Texas albums, engineered by Al Clay who worked with Pixies), Gallus represents Gun at their tightest. Chris believes this is Gun's best record, the songwriting, riffs, and melodies superior to the debut Taking on the World and more focused than the commercially successful Swagger. Released 31st March 1992 competing against the Black Album, Nevermind, and a saturated grunge market, it still reached #14 UK albums chart. The band wanted it to sound like "Glasgow on a Saturday night," raw and purposeful without the polish they felt marred their debut. Every track feels battle-ready, no hiding behind production tricks, just confident swagger and rock solid performances.

What You'll Hear:

Neil's deeply personal connection to Steal Your Fire and how the album's lyrics about taking chances soundtracked his decision to attend university when no one in his family or friends had gone before
The boxing metaphor running through Gun's identity: Benny Lynch the 1930s Scottish flyweight champion on the cover, the training/discipline aesthetic, the lean cut-no-fat approach mirroring fighters ready for the ring
Crossing paths with Gun: Milton gig at Crawford Arms where they blocked the hosts in with their van, Chris shooting them at Nuneaton Queen's Hall November 2018, supporting Black Star Riders at Rock City 2017, acoustic sets and sweaty rooms
Why this UK hard rock scene (1990-92) feels more 80s than 90s, existing in a transitional bubble before Britpop/indie/American alternative fragmented everything, Thunder/Little Angels/Almighty/Therapy all releasing phenomenal records nobody outside the UK remembers
Mark Rankin vs Dante: the vocal lineup changes, Mark on the first three albums then Dante taking over, Chris only seeing the Dante-fronted lineup live but both phenomenal, Mark Rankin is Charlene Spiteri's cousin (Texas connection)
Production genius of Kenny MacDonald and Chris Sheldon (who later did Therapy Troublegum, Almighty Crank, Feeder Polythene, Foo Fighters Colour and Shape mixing, Biffy Clyro's best albums), how Gun sounds simple but try recreating it, nowhere to hide

Featured Tracks & Analysis:

Steal Your Fire opens with that ripping riff, Mark Rankin's voice cutting through like he means every syllable. Welcome to the Real World showcases the album's lyrical maturity: "poor men left with nothing yet rich men wanting more, so ask yourself a question what are we living for," painting images without preaching, letting listeners think. Higher Ground demonstrates the international appeal beyond Glasgow specificity, ambition and struggle as universal themes. Watching the World Go By closes the album with a massive anthem, the fade and guitar solo combination Neil loves, track 7 ballad energy ending side A perfectly. The album's 50 minutes 16 seconds never overstays, 10 tracks of focused rock and roll with common themes: ambient intros/footsteps soundscapes, long fade-outs (60 seconds), purposeful production choices creating personality. Every song feels essential, the band wrote 18-20 tracks but only 10 made the cut because only 10 were strong enough.

Tangential Gold:

Fruit pastilles saga: Lindsay from Scotland brought them to the gig, Neil intended to save them for recording, gave them to family at merch desk, 14-year-old inhaled them like a fly vs cow analogy, had to buy replacement standing packet for recording session
BBC Radio 6 Prince Philip death announcement mid-dance anthems: absolute banger drum and bass stops, "Buckingham Palace has announced the death of His Royal Highness the Duke of Edinburgh," perfect pause then beat drops back in properly, greatest Radio 6 moment
Manchester University car park attendant fight: Neil invited to give talk, 5 minutes before stage time arguing about parking spaces, "I shall get the dean," "go and get the dean then see if I care," hot day everyone looked young made it worse, proper stroppy mood
The Douglas Adams 30-year-old technology cutoff: anything invented before you're born is normal, before 30 is exciting career opportunity, after 30 is against natural order of things, Neil hit that wall 2013 (12 years ago from recording date)
Frank Turner Million Dead reunion tour, massive Wildhearts fan, used to guest with Gun, Levee tour donating pound per ticket to grassroots venues, hardcore live show vs folky records surprising audiences at Rock City
Ginger's mental health journey visible on social media: band breakup spiral, six months quiet, return with new lineup positivity, Satanic Rites of the Wildhearts album preview blew minds, you can tell when he's in good place vs fighting strangers on X

Why This Matters:

Gallus captures a specific moment when British hard rock still had a heartbeat in 1992, existing in a transitional space before the decade fragmented into Britpop, grunge dominance, and nu-metal. Gun represented the best of that UK scene: tight, confident, unafraid to be massive without apology. The album's title, Scottish slang for bold or cheeky, perfectly encapsulates the attitude. They toured with Def Leppard on the Adrenalise tour, opened for the Rolling Stones, played stadiums and small clubs with equal conviction. Despite reaching #14 UK and charting three singles top 50, they never broke America the way Swagger's Word Up briefly did. The production remains a masterclass in restraint: Al Clay (Pixies engineer) and Kenny MacDonald created something that sounds effortless but is nearly impossible to replicate. Gun's 2024 album Hombres proves they're still capable of capturing that Earth Versus the Wildhearts energy decades later, Dante's vocals carrying the legacy forward even as Mark Rankin's original work remains definitive for many fans.

Perfect for: UK hard rock enthusiasts who remember when Kerrang! and Raw magazine covered this scene religiously, Thunder/Little Angels/Almighty fans exploring the Glasgow connection, anyone who believes great songwriting and tight musicianship shouldn't be overshadowed by bad timing and label politics, listeners who appreciate rock bands sounding like a well-oiled machine rather than studio constructions, Toby Jepson completists noting his 2008-2010 touring stint with Gun before Wayward Sons, boxing fans who understand the discipline/training metaphor running through the album's aesthetic, those discovering Gun through recent albums like Hombres wondering what the 90s classics sounded like.

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Speaker0:00 mythology i'm getting used to these now good they're singing and that and if i'm doing them right they're kind of a little bit in key a little bit in key yeah is that what your music teacher would say that was a little bit in key yeah yeah that's very good yeah might be slightly wibbly slightly wobbly but we're okay we're nearly there wibbly wobbly that was steal your fire by gun gun i love this album we are doing the gun album gallus gallus you are neil i am chris this is riffology this is our 50th birthday it is this is our 50th birthday this is our 50th riffology which is a lot isn't it that's i mean you know we're not we're not known for our consistency i think we are known for our consistency now i think i think maybe out other than this yeah other than this no consistency yeah just this yeah and i think we only come because we have fruit pastels and coke thank you lindsay lindsay gave us fruit pastels what tell lindsay what happened to the fruit pastels so i was at a gig last night at rock city today's saturday we're doing a saturday recording and last night we were gigging at rock city um and lindsay came all the way from scotland again uh and brought like listens to the podcast and understands the um the ritual around fruit pastels and coke zero um and um gifted us with a bag of fruit pastels which lasted approximately 15 minutes uh because i was going to save them for today and bring them today for us to have as as part of a thank you you know to to lindsay uh but instead what i did what i did was i took them to the merch desk which is where my wife and children were doing the merch for the gig and um they thought that i brought them over for a gift as a thank you for them to do the merch so they ate them inhaled them yeah they do it my i i have a 10 year old and a 14 year old and my 10 year old eats everything like a little fly he's like so you'd like give him a bag of like fruit pastel yeah he'd still be eating it three months later like do you know what i mean like my 14 year old yeah you could give him a cow yeah and then you could dude where's the cow oh i ate it sorry uh sorry it just inhales it doesn't chew yeah yeah yeah no chewing just and we'll sit down to eat dinner there'll be four plates four plates of food yeah and he'll come sit down and i'll look at my plate and i'll look up and his is empty wow and he goes you're in a pudding growing lad that's what that is he is he's very much a growing lad being inhales food and so we've had to go and buy anyway we've had long story short we've had to go and buy a standing packet of lindsay's fruit pastels yes which we've got now we we were going to lie and say that we're actually in the fruit pastels from last night but that's that's you know we've got it we've got to tell the truth haven't we really it's not it's not as good a story either so i like i like that and also because we're on audio no one can see so we could be actually lying anyway you might not have any pastels what a thing to lie about lying i'm having free pastels my boss used to say the truth shall set you free neil oh really is that what it is yeah it's a lot so you have is that because usually usually after i'd broken something or i'd confide in saying i've done this thing well the you know that thing i said was going to be great i don't it's not i don't think it's going to be great and it would be that the truth shall set you free anyway we're doing gun yeah gun are from scotland yeah we did a poll and we followed the results of the poll we did yeah i was going to do this one anyway so i'm really glad that regardless of where the poll was going to go it's going to be this one they are one of my absolute favorite bands and i it was when i did the poll i was thinking i don't i don't know what it is about gun that made me like just fall in love with them but i do now yeah yeah and it was it was 90 this album came out in 92 31st march 1992 um and that made me 18 yeah yeah yeah and so i was uh trundling around the country looking at universities and i remember going to um oh god it wasn't i did i went to hull we talked about going to hull university so i actually went back to hull and set it on fire with a soldier and iron years oh yes later yeah yeah that was a good story preston i swear i was at preston university and i'd gone to an open date there and so north you like you wanted to go north i don't know you wanted to go up yeah i don't know what i don't know because i went to sheffield i went to sheffield university and i went to preston university because that's a bit north as well they're all northern aren't they yeah i did i do know it's not it's only just occurred to me that i didn't all of the universities i went to look at were northern yeah i don't know why that is yeah um anyway i went i remember going to i think they get cleverer as you go up that could be true yeah it could be true it's definitely true yeah so and i went up to preston and um i'd got this album okay i listened to it in the car all the way there and all the way back and there is something that i wanted to talk about because um it again didn't really occur to me at the time and probably didn't occur to me for a long time but i absolutely fell in love with this album there's a track called steal your fire the single and the single is what i heard on the radio which made me go and buy it yeah yeah yeah um but there's this lovely bit here where it just says and i was really kind of um i'm not really sure whether i want to go to university no one in my family had been to university nobody i knew had been to university yeah all of my friends were working in in factories or they'd gone to work they're so similar yeah they're working like locally and i was just like i don't know whether i'm going to fit in i don't know this is this is me kind of thing i remember it was to the point where because i went to college yeah like i became like a butt of a joke like i don't know what that was i don't know yeah because everyone went just to get just left school and got jobs all of yeah all of my mates had got like like astra gtis yeah yeah or gte if you were dead rich yeah they've got some really flash cars at this point um and i was like uh i'd got i was literally cycling everywhere so i've got no money and uh and anyway that my lecturers were saying you should go to university you know you you're good at this you should don't go and do it and i wasn't sure and the lyrics to this song there's a bit in there where it says why don't you do it why don't you go and then there's a bit where it says can't let this chance pass me by i can see it for the first time wow and it was folks you're quite literally yeah i don't think i realized at the time but i just i mean i probably had this this would have been on cd i think in my car um and i would have been yeah i mean it would take me preston's miles away yeah i remember it being a warm warm sunny day um and just just like driving forever and listening to this like way too loud um and then uh yeah i mean it's one of those things where you know this this record has kind of always been with me it's kind of always been it's part of that time in my life that was a change it was change it was a time of change and i was it was me and i was completely on my own yeah um and i actually ended up at university in derby which is like i could throw a stone to it from where it's still up though yeah very slightly slightly up yeah so it's still northern uh still more intelligent than uh where i was when i started um but yeah it was weird like it was this is one of those albums that was just with me yeah yeah like throughout and the one that came before it as well so they did taking on the world which is like that debut right i just love that record again it's one we talked about debuts in the past but there's more they said more i'm saying said more i i think they they had more to say yeah yeah um on that record this one i think is their best record i think this one the songwriting i think the riffs the melody i think the lyrics i think this is just like absolutely phenomenal and then they did swagger afterwards which had got that's the one with word up on it yeah that's the kind of really big yeah but that one's got i think the production's better on there but i think the songs are better on yeah on here so i'm super pleased that everybody picked gallus um because it means a lot to me you know i had never traveled to europe i'd never seen the different cultures you know in america and different parts of you know different countries and things and so i think this album is more a kind of international appeal you know there's tracks on a record like higher ground you know are welcome to the real world which is uh is more of a kind of international appeal to i mean people from europe have the same feelings of ambition you know or um you know things like that and you don't have to come from glasgow to sort of feel those natural things i really like gun you've just found some new new information that links us nicely between this week and last week's show i did i was looking for something else i was looking for um like uh vocalist changes and members of the band and stuff because they like the first few albums were pretty solid and then then things changed up a bit lineup changed and stuff and as i was skimming through past members there were a few people that i noticed um one of them was mark kerr now mark kerr uh if i'm looking i've lost a bit in my notes um um oh i was gonna say he was from texas but that was stuart kerr okay stuart kerr's in there as well honestly honestly mark kerr and stuart kerr anyway um it's in the band texas yeah okay right not the country i did when you first said i thought your state your state yeah yeah not country yeah um anyway um i spotted my man toby jepson there he is and i was like no way is that toby jepson no way is that uh toby and uh in 2008 he did a load of touring with them so he did a guest appearance with them at a charity gig in glasgow i was gonna say that came up on last week's podcast this this sort of support in them but and then he uh contributed to the gun ep pop killer and then they did a tour extensively after that and then he left in 2010 to focus on uh solo stuff yeah and then wayward sons and ah right and the solo stuff was where the fm thing came in as well wasn't it yeah he did a lot of stuff with a toby went uh yeah because i think little angels toured with fm yeah um and then i think they were they they've been uh really good strong supporters of toby over the years so yeah i'm not very good at time you might have figured this out already yeah you know like way time the time way time works yeah like chronology yeah not really my thing it's just all mushy in it everything's now so wibbly wobbly timey wimey that's what the doctor said yeah yeah wibbly wobbly timey wimey um i wanted to say that we've we've um crossed paths with gun i don't know if you remember that milton yeah yeah you were do you remember that gig i was there to shoot you guys yeah yeah with a camera and i went and took pictures of gun instead because they were in the bar they were doing an acoustic set at the bar so i kind of snuck off and yeah they blocked us in with their van oh yeah i remember yeah yeah yeah come on come on gun we need to go home they were fantastic you guys were quite good as well but they were mega they were it was just them in like this um it was crawford arms yeah that's it the crawford arms yeah so we were in the sort of venue we were in the big bit yeah and then they were in this like tiny little back room yeah where they were just doing acoustic stuff um and yeah they were they were mega it was ram and it was just full of sweaty men yeah it was it was baking hot wasn't it it was in august or whatever it was baking hot that i always remember the crawford arms they've got that um a nintendo guitar you know that um yeah they've got like a they had a snes made into it yeah yeah it's a weird green room that was i liked it i like i like they're actually an actual room it was it wasn't like a cupboard with it was like it was like being in someone's front room wasn't it yeah it was cool it was like it was just like you normally they're pretty sad places yeah it's actually like quite cool yeah um but anyway yeah they were they were good i um shot a gun with a camera uh at is a nuneaton see when you say that it doesn't make sense to me nuneaton's not nuneaton's not a geeky kind of place it's not so so nuneaton from us yeah it's sort of down a bit down and across down and across if derby's up and across yeah nuneaton's down and across it's a sad place nuneaton i think it's one of those places it's quite old-fashioned but not in like a pretty chocolate box no it's more like a 1970s prefab yeah yeah yeah stoke yeah no one ever says anything good about stoke um i quite like stoke but it's not it doesn't feel like it's not that is it is it's a bit like it's like big it's like driving around the outside of a prison isn't it they um um who oh slash is from stoke isn't it and robbie williams are from yeah yeah and neither of them have got anything good to say about stoke so and i like that a lot i think that's funny i i was just thinking about stoke as like it's just a road stoke is a road road where you're going up north yeah if you go into where where would you go from from there manchester yeah if you're going to manchester airport liverpool um it's yeah it's uh what's the university is leak leak leak yeah yeah no it's not leak is it leak what's the there's a university at the end i don't know crew got a university crew has it's got a train station yeah i don't know if it's got a universe i've never been to crew university yeah that yeah that that part of the world for me is a bit gray the minute i'm not spending a lot of time there i was once invited to give a talk at manchester university and got into a stand-up fight with a car park attendant at the university did you punch him out properly do you know who i am did you did you play it not quite almost like i'm like i'm like five i'm i've got five minutes to go and do a big talk yeah yeah yeah and you're arguing with me about where to park in your car park that's not got enough spaces so you make me a space and i'll move my car and then and he was like i shall get the dean go and get the dean go and get dean then see if i see what dean says see if i think he thought i was a student i was like see if i care just see this is my bothered face i was in a proper stroppy mood it was hot everyone looked very you know when everyone looks really young yeah yeah and it makes you feel really old yeah that's bad that makes it loads worse i was like i'm in a bad mood wasn't prepared obviously anyway but imagine it was a lovely place manchester university i drove through stoke um there you go but anyway yeah so uh toby jepson on the uh ep pop killer the thing i like about gun is that it feels like they're like they're all they're all on their a game yeah that's the whenever whenever i hit anything the gun have put down i always just think these lads are on it like they're they're not they're not they're not just winging this this is really like well well crafted with a great confident energy energy to it there's like a um it feels purposeful it's full of like pop hooks yeah it is but there's like this rock and roll swagger to it there's definitely that yeah it's like this there's this kind of um attitude that i just love and it's this it's not an attitude like guns and roses had a like an fu attitude yeah yeah yeah like gun have got a um you can't it's loads tight this is loads tighter but this is like you can't tell me what to do actually you know i'm not here to cause a problem with anybody i'm not i'm not here to set fire to things i'm not going to that but you know i i'm i'm feeling empowered to go and do stuff yeah yeah and that's what gun always because like the whole there's a whole thing around gun to do with boxing yeah yeah yeah well that's what it's benny lynch on the cover yeah i don't even know that is i don't know anything about boxing was a box like a 1930s and i don't know i don't know boxing very well and i but i did make some notes and i can't oh uh because yeah because they they um yeah hang on i did i did make a note of this somewhere uh so um benny lynch born 2nd of april 1913 died 6th of august 1946 he was a scottish professional boxer widely regarded as one of the greatest flyweight flyweight fighters of all time born in the gorbals working class district of glasgow uh he rose from poverty to poverty to become scotland's first world boxing champion wow um so yeah he was he is still like revered in in scotland's you know scottish yeah like a hero kind of thing yeah yeah yeah as as as an athlete from from scotland but yeah um and the thing i was sort of gonna get out there was like there's this idea about because we sometimes have it with with riding the load because paddy's a big boxing fan he is there's a lot about training and yeah like everything's like getting in the ring and getting on it and i remember paddy doing journeyman yeah do you remember yeah and then he like physically over that two years he changed from but he was like absolutely like fit as you yeah he was absolutely ripped wasn't he just incredible the training and stuff that he went through so i think there's a thing about that that that i think gun have got this in their music as well this idea of like that that's that's a really like lean rock and roll like like cut like like really tight kind of there's no frivolous stuff this is it this is yeah yeah yeah little angels let's yeah they had the big bad horns and they were building building on it in in a in a good way yeah yeah but like gun is yeah all the facts cut out it's rock and roll it's yeah yeah but it's solid as a rock all of it is nowhere to hide i suppose no no you've got no and all like the vocals are fantastic like every everyone's playing is on on point like that like they've been in like they're ready to go in the ring that's what it that's what it feels like to me anyway i might be you know conflating there with a few different ideas but you know just from that from just you know listening to some of these interviews we've been working with and things um there's there's a little bit of that going on listen i've been coming to this club since 1982 i've seen all the pros the amateurs everybody come through and everybody within our boxing community knows we followed him as a musician he done really well but see if this guy stuck to what his real skills were which is in the ring this guy would have been at least world champion if not undisputed world champion undoubted i'm telling you that is a fact but it's it's maybe a little bit too late in the day now but this guy would have been the scottish rocky marciano without a doubt ready so what are they like live because i expect yeah they can do it like they can really do it you know i well that's a really great question because um the band i saw yeah were fronted by dante he was the bassist for these albums okay but all right so mark rankin was the so mark rankin sang on taking on the world gala swagger and 01416 blah blah blah blah yeah um and then dante took over after that and so did he leave yes right and i don't think he i don't think he did i don't know i might be i don't think he did anything after that i think he was just done yeah um now the band i saw in nuneaton yeah was with dante not with mark rankin yeah so i i don't know but they were great i saw them and they were phenomenal they were um you i would i would say um they they knew exactly what what to play and where do you know i mean it was a well honed machine a lot of people found you know when they listened to the first album they thought gun yeah i quite like it but you know i'm not really sure if it's rocking or a lot of people came to see us live and you couldn't believe you know that it was so so hard and so sort of heavy sounding and then i think that changed it helped convert a lot of people you know but um this this record on on tape it sounds louder you know it's a it's a heavier louder sounding record and live the band are heavier than ever so you know that's what i would say if people hear this record and you know that it's slightly interesting come and see the band live because live is just a straight rock and roll band you know it's well sort of heavy and loud live it reminded me actually of you know you see robbie williams yeah yeah play yeah um he's got this like innate he just knows what to play and how to get the yeah how to get the audience on on his side kind of yeah and and gun did the same thing so they've got they've got such even off these first three records yeah they've got a complete records worth of absolute bangers yeah massive massive singles um so they were doing like a mixture of uh like i would say like slower acoustic stuff yeah yeah and then these like massive anthems yeah and a bit like when you see bon jovi everyone knows every yeah yeah i mean these are very song righty albums to me there's a lot the lyrics are as bigger part of the record as the the riffs and the melodies and you know everything else so um yeah it was incredible that was really really cool it's a lot of beer as i remember flying and as a photographer it was like you know i i was there was a lot of ffs right because there was do you know what i mean it was just like beer going everywhere and i was like jesus christ i'm gonna have to go and get my spray everything with switch cleaner when i get a beer out of it but um and it was right selling selling camera gear when you sell it and people come along and say what's it been used for mate and you go oh just not much just just just birds yeah just like flowers in the back garden and of course mikey is like literally rock and drenched in beer and stuff so i'm like do you have to kind of clean it so it doesn't stink but um the camera that i shotgun with definitely had beer in it a lot of beer in it so did i i covered in it but they were cool they they um they had support from a dude called chris barris right that name rings a bell as well i've never known that name he's dead good yeah dead good he is what kind of country rock and roll right right um but again another guy who can absolutely just do it yeah he was like um yeah just full of energy like in in the middle of noneaton in you know not in an inspiring no no environment and they put on this massive show that uh i want to say it was called the queen's hall or something i'd have to go and look it up um but it was so good it was i mean it was like you know when you see it and you think oh it's in noneaton yeah yeah yeah that's going to suck yeah yeah and then i got there and i was like oh god it looked like it's awful but then the sound was brilliant the pump was brilliant and it was just they put on a brilliant show so yeah don't be put off if you see bands in noneaton if noneaton still exists go and do it because they were great and i loved it i to be honest i had a really really great time everyone was really friendly um like the green room that looked about the size of the toilet there wasn't the green rooms that i know about yeah yeah and uh yeah they were they were they were super cool but yeah they were a really cool live experience you know it was one of those where it was it was more of an experience than uh um you know like going to see like um what yeah it was just like going to see bon jovi where everyone knows every word to every song yes and everyone sings along and the band know it so there's a lot of space in the set for them to have you yeah engage and be part of that yeah yeah that kind of show but it's not it wasn't forced it all felt really um really cool i i loved it i might i might remind myself and go and look up the review what i wrote about it but um that would have been for louder than war i think but uh but yeah no they were really cool oh and it was a pleasure to see him and listen to you know here there's a to be honest that probably kick-started my love of gun again yeah that would have been 2019 yeah i think um it was just before everywhere started shutting down okay yeah um so yeah i i i absolutely adored that it was brilliant and and it's a long time ago now that oh god doesn't it doesn't it you know when you just sort of think that that that era where that that covert stuff happened it's it's quite in the past now isn't it yeah it is i mean what we got like we it was 2025 yeah yeah so in five years time yeah yeah it'll be you know a decade yeah i wonder what they'll do what if they'll do like a little do you know what i mean what what do you do what do you do to remember when everyone died did it yeah yeah it just suddenly reminds me of um was it oh he's gone was it radio six your bbc radio six when they had their they're like they're banging and then prince philip dies do you remember and it's like this kind of absolute banging drum and bass and then it just stops and it says uh prince philip has died oh god is that real yeah it is but i'm gonna find it can't wait because i've got to find it i've got to find it now it's got to go in buckingham palace has announced the death of his royal highness the duke of edinburgh dreck and that was a dare dreck and they were like you've got you've got to say it mate you've got it or do you reckon they flipped a coin who's got to make that who's got to make that announcement i can just imagine it's dance anthems right so there have just been kids in the studio like banging having a having a mad one aren't they and then and then someone will have said oh we've got to do something what do we do do you know what i mean yeah and then like we can't just stop it you can't just stop the banging tunes because there'll be a real downer i know we'll just tell everybody and then bring it back up yeah i i remember when margaret you were margaret thatcher stepped down i was in the i was in the library um doing doing some maths i think and a deadly quiet and the library librarian literally it was deadly so it was always silent in there and the librarian just kind of came out she went an announcement no way and i was like what i don't care just go away the iron lady not so iron i don't know i don't know i'm doing calculus go away i'm busy yeah i'm busy go i don't makes no difference to me go away but yeah they go no i did it's one of my favorite moments of uh bbc radio and they should be super proud an achievement it was the thing that does it is it's not that it's not the uh buckingham palace it's the fact that there's like a perfect pause and then it comes back in on yeah it comes back in properly on beat like uh do you know what i mean like if you imagine the dj going and then he spins and then i loved it um when i found my uh my my piece in louder than war about gun nuneaton queen's hall and there's a few things that i need to correct about my story first of all um reading my own words it was lancaster university not preston how far are lancaster and preston apart though they're both up they are one's just a bit more so it's slightly i went to slightly more up i went to both um and it was the third i've written in my own words here uh the 3th of november 20 2018 and i think that's what should be called i think three is loads better than third it is third doesn't make any sense way better you can tell we didn't have a i back then all of the spelling mistakes uh it was the 3rd of november 2018 at queen's hall in nuneaton um uh support from chris the what was called the chris barris band at the time okay um and i wrote that uh chris barris was awesome i also wrote that i had covered gun the year before because they supported black star riders and i'd forgotten that yeah yeah yeah so there you go that was in 2017 so ah in another interview we we got um which we didn't use anything from they told they spoke about that did they yeah 14th march 2017 rock city i covered them with uh that would have been your man ricky warwick okay yeah yeah off of the almighty and then uh i mean the black star riders is essentially thin lizzie with ricky warwick at the front yeah so i was dead excited to uh to go and uh go and see them and support was uh was good um which partly would have been why i went i think yeah yeah yeah um yeah so where was this thing recorded because the sound of the studio the sound of the oh that's a good question recording is absolutely like unreal like all the gun stuff all the gun stuff that the sound of it is i don't know it's just it's punchy but you can hear absolutely everything there's nothing in the wrong place so it's it's a bit vague if i'm honest it talks about uh it being recorded in glasgow but i couldn't find like a definitive venue like a recording uh yeah definitive venue of where it was actually done so um if anyone knows let us know yeah yeah um but yeah somewhere in glasgow i would who was the other scottish band that if you if you that was almighty that was your mind she wasn't yeah yeah yeah so ricky warwick yeah and who uh where did they ever do that where did they do it yeah do you remember where they did that i don't think they recorded it in class because i sure was the power station was that when they went over to the power station i think they might have done let me just have a quick look on on my i'm going to go on to i'm going to say i'm going to say they do the power station then i'm going to do riffology.co yeah because that's our website and i'm going to look at this so it's like marketing and yeah explanation at the same time almighty yeah and then um so you can all do this with all of your favorite bands you can yeah you can go on have a search i've spelt the almighty wrong uh we did soul destruction soul destruction was recorded at trident studios in london oh they came down to try it was it that went over to the power station then uh uh uh uh might that have been little angels could have been yeah don't know interesting now the making of young gods uh unless i've got more fairview that was in hull oh no yeah i remember i was talking about that willoughby you know i'm making it up okay that's good we like that um so yeah uh well it doesn't yeah i i i couldn't i couldn't find like it's weird i found like a bunch of studios referenced for it but not like hey this is this is where it was done this is totally where it was done so um uh but yeah but it has got an interesting sound to it i think yeah i think so yeah that's what i was trying to get at um uh but it's weird it's got like this it's it's a simple it's a really simple sound but it's like if you if if you tried to go into a studio and recreate that sound your dream was how hard it is yeah yeah it's it's it's it sounds really simple but there's nowhere to hide um and like everything sounds sounds really good um it's done by kenny mcdonald the um producer um and interestingly this it landed really well listed gallus um 92 would have been but the thing is 92 it would have been up against big stuff yeah yeah there might have grunge essentially grunge would have been at its peak so but it did pretty well i think this got to 14 on the new album charts um but they've never skied it have they gun no swagger did so yeah yeah with um word up was yeah that was the big thing so they came off the back of this and if you imagine this did really well i'll say really well this did pretty well and then you had word up and then and obviously then that that drove uh uh sales of um of swagger which was a weird album i thought i quite quite like bits of swagger and the production's really great but it's it's got like rap and like like jazz almost it's weird um not in like a bad way but like no no they were on the third album trying stuff out yeah but it's a little bit like like gun for me that i kind of want my big thick hard rock music that's what i'm expecting i'm not expecting strings i'm not expecting you know trumpets yeah i'm not expecting a choir do you know what i mean that's what i'm not expecting from gun i'm not expecting um like weird stuff yeah it's just rock and like some bands straight up rock and roll yeah some bands you're thinking like i i don't know what i'm going to get here you know you you switch the album one every new album from them you think it's going to be you know i wonder what like skunk and ante are a bit like that yes i'm never quite sure which direction you're going to go in yeah um but they've just got a new album actually yesterday yeah oh cool yeah they released a new record yesterday which is which again it's quite cool i think it's quite a cool record but again like a a reinvention if you like of where yeah new thing new yeah it's not there are bits on there that are similar to before and bits on there which is good which is good and that i think they've probably done it right then haven't they and that you know you you you're not put off by that that's not a thing yeah you kind of tempted in you kind of know what you know okay with skunk and nancy that means that they'll be pushing some envelopes again yeah that's kind of part of their thing yeah you yeah there is definitely an amount of that i can imagine it will put some people off yeah it's not it's not kind of paranoid and sunburnt or yeah yeah whatever but it's um yeah it's interesting but i think with with gun swagger to me just felt a little bit after the first two records it was a little bit i don't know what i'm not sure about this you know i mean there were like probably four songs on there that i i thought were great and then four that i thought i'm not i'm not really sure no where this is i'm not really sure what this is kind of thing um and and you know so that the direction changed a little bit i think as the industry changed as well you know um but yeah i suppose not unexpectedly you know they they and then came off the back of swagger yeah and then found that the the not only had the industry changed it had gone yeah you know i mean there was nothing underneath them anymore there was no like hard rock if you think about the hair metal and then you had the you know like in the uk i think we so we they had hair metal in the 80s then i think this part of the early 90s in the uk was kind of this hard rock like hotbed there were just some brilliant albums that were here here in the uk that you i don't think get talked about enough um you know and then you had um you had grunge and then you had like kind of the old rock yeah scene um and then and then the world kind of went like all like limp biscuit and corn and so these albums kind of dropped and there was the audience there wasn't a rock thing was that it was the it was metal or kind of yeah like the audience had kind of gone it was it was i mean there was an audience there still but nowhere near as as many that that i guess that casual audience had kind of british rock had become kind of indie really hadn't it become radiohead it became yeah yeah yeah i hadn't thought about that yeah yeah no you had it it's weird it kind of it had moved on hadn't it by the second half so no one really wanted this sort of stuff anymore over the decade yeah it just kind of chewed on and that i mean imagine being in in a band like that where you're trying to figure out what to do next how to be important how to be yeah yeah yeah you know how to be noticed and stuff you know you're conscious of the fact that people may forget you people you know people like things to be constantly in their face and so uh we just sort of try to write the best songs we could write and come back with something that uh you know hopefully will help bridge the gap you know people if they hear the album and they like it then you know to me it doesn't really matter how long it takes as long as you come back with something strong and something that you feel happy with some people laugh for it some people die for it some people rest your life don't do time for it love child come wild come off your mind so what do you say don't be afraid of it just take a chance on it watch what you say and never be a fool for it wrong side of the white lines look at your face it may be open it's just a place in a private street it's just a soul on the open road it's just a part of a losing game it's just a part of a losing game it's just a part of a lovin' game it's just a part of a lovin' game it's just a part of a lovin' game it's just a part of a lovin' game it's just a part of a lovin' game it's just a part of a lovin' game it's just a part of a lovin' game it's just a part of a lovin' game it's just a part of a lovin' game it's just a part 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game it's just a part of a lovin' game it's just a part of a lovin' game it's just a part of a lovin' game it's just a part of a lovin' game it's just a part of a lovin' game it's just a part of a lovin' game tell me why you lied to yourself tell me why you run away i believe in what you're sayin' i'm just waitin' for the day take a look at all those people lookin' at the number one livin' in the future livin' in the past everybody out there can you hear me can you hear me can you hear me can you hear me can you hear me can you hear me i like that one i like any of any songs yeah that do that kind of like riffy cowboy thing you know like we do with riding the low with tommy hawk that kind of yeah yeah yeah like it's got a kind of yeah yeah it's got that sort of like i don't know what you call it like it's kind of country rock stampy country rock but heavy like big everything foot stampy yeah yeah yeah yeah i like that very good um i've discovered that it was recorded in park lane studio in glasgow do you know how i figured that out go on you're gonna like this a lot so i have um the first album on vinyl but i don't have this and this is my favourite yeah so i thought i'll go on discogs and have a look and you know on the back of the i found they're not a picture of it yeah they're not expensive these albums to to buy like some of these albums back from the early 90s just cost a fortune they're like you know a hundred pounds for a record and you just like get lost but some of these are like 10 12 quid oh cool okay i'll have that very much yeah yeah um on the back of it it says recorded in park lane studio there we go so that's where it was recorded so scratch me saying i couldn't figure it out now you have figured it out yeah imagine that i said that it was recorded in park lane studio um was recorded by um um uh where i went it was recorded by kenny mcdonald yes he said that name earlier what else did he do then uh well he did the debut as well okay okay yeah yeah yeah and he worked with texas ah so the band not not the not the state not the state no no there you go they were good they were texas yeah they were a bit rockier live they were glasgow weren't they yeah like you know when you hear them on record yeah and you watch them live go oh they were they were quite rock quite raucous live yeah yeah yeah yeah no i liked them they were good you can see what you want but it was nothing like that no live it was like brr just like that that's what she did charlene spateri brr death metal texas i like that idea yeah yeah yeah that'd be dead good we could like merge napalm death and texas that'd be dead good that's kublai khan isn't it oh god yeah who's oh god one of the um one of that lot i've got a new record and i love it is it tala anyway i just absolutely adore it it's fantastic um anyway um i was gonna say the approach for recording was to encourage spontaneity and push the band to deliver performances with grit and conviction we made the first record you know we were i was like 17 18 years old and i was 19 20 you know we were young guys we'd never done it before and we were sort of quite naive on this record you know we did all this to him and uh we sat down we wrote some songs that we were really happy with and we recorded them in a in a far more confident way than we'd ever done before you know we knew we knew what we could achieve in this record you know and we'd go in and do it i'd go in and i'd do vocals and then i'd say you know i can sing better than that and go back and do it again until i got something i thought yeah that's the best i can do right now you know and the songs as well you know we wrote something like 18 20 songs but only 10 of them went in the record because there was only 10 that we felt were strong enough to go on the record band to me sound a lot like like live they sound a lot like these early albums yeah yeah um yeah and i think that's i i don't know i think there's a again that's all that authenticity sounds easy though doesn't it it sounds so easy but it's not it's so like loads of bands sound totally different and lots of people will say oh it's because you know they can't play live they can't play good live but it isn't that at all it's because the the songs in almost all cases will have been like crafted live yes yeah and then and it's the recording that's not right not the live that's not right do you know what i mean it's like the live show is the live show and that's what the band sound like yeah um and i think we've we've you know just speaking about riding hello very quickly but that's the thing we've always had to the point last night where you know there's one of my friends chris harding who's come in and doing the front of house mixing for us yeah really clever guy lovely man and he's you know he's been spending time with the records and then he's experienced it live and gone oh no no no that's that it's that live thing yeah yeah that's the thing for this band you know i've always said to you guys that for you guys the live that live experience that's what it's about it's that you sound like a rock and roll band in live on the studio records it's too polished for me often in bits of it it feels like it's like that's not the ride in the low I know do you know what I mean the ride in the low I know is kind of this like big guitar band and often on the recordings it's got that it's become like almost indie like a little bit yeah yeah yeah yeah it's like tame do you know what I mean it's kind of had all the it's had all the danger taken off it do you know what I mean whereas in the live show it's a bit whoa this is where's this going kind of thing this is a bit you know so yeah I don't know I think some bands just don't translate very well or actually the reality is probably it's a lot harder than it sounds to make a band sound like their live show in a studio yeah I mean you'd think it would be oh we'll just play it live in the studio yeah yeah yeah it's weird isn't it yeah it's much harder than it sounds so yeah some clever engineers and producers I think on this one and I painted a lot of sort of images in people's heads like you know lyrics like poor men left with nothing yet rich men wanting more so ask yourself a question what are we living for you know that doesn't state one way or the other it just says we'll think about it you know and we've got all this time on our side and there's no looking back welcome to the real world hard red balls in a cold night four walls closing in standing still in the future outside looking in don't know what to turn to don't know what to do nothing ever changes I'm a red to turn and blue I see it on the streets I read it in the news I get this feeling maybe I'm being used but I've got all this time on my side there's no looking back welcome to the real world and I've got all this time on my side there's no looking back welcome to the real world five birds bright in the distance don't know who to trust stars fall down like a message sent from heaven above so pour that lip and dust down the rich man want more and I ask myself a question say what are we living for now I know the faces I know the faces but I know the names know the cost of losing girl but I I play the game cause I've got all this time on my side there's no looking back welcome to the real world cause I've got all this time on my side there's no looking back welcome to the real world welcome to the real world and I'll see you next time and I'll see you next time and I'll see you next time next time on my side next time on my side next time on my side next time on my side so so so I'm hanging out of promises welcome to the real world cause I've got all this time on my side there's no looking back welcome to the real world cause I've got all this time on my side there's no looking back welcome to the real world cause I've got all this time on my side there's no looking back welcome to the real world yeah I've got all this time on my side there's no looking back never gone back never told that never gone back yeah I see I like a fade and a guitar solo me too I like a fade like a guitar solo I like a quite a bit in the middle yeah I like all of that I love I like track 7 to be a bit ballady yeah cause that's the end of side A yeah I like do you know what and then an anthem at the end of side B I really like songs that start with a guitar solo yeah I'm a big fan of that I'm a I think you know Oasis made it really popular again didn't they but I like that kind of thing you just start and have a widdly widdly guitar a bit yeah yeah I think no yeah but so like an album now when you stream it it's a one body of work straight line from start to finish it is yeah I like it when they've got little movements in them so you've got like three songs which is like one concept and then they've got a little bit of something else and a bit so they've really thought one day each yeah but there's like a narrative you know there's like something going on where it's like I don't know it's been curated let's say do you think that's been lost a little bit yep because I I remember um like albums would they have I think everything's rubbish now I think but albums albums have like a like a a personality yeah do you know what I mean like and a lot of that is to do with how it starts and how it finishes and kind of how it ebbs and flows absolutely it's a body of work it's an art piece it's a curated piece of work yeah but so I went to a gig and I was playing and I was doing rubbish covers and um I've done I've done all the usual ones that you do that everyone starts going yeah you know that yeah and then someone came up and says oh can you play like and then listed new people yeah um and I had to tell him new people from like 2006 yeah never heard of a mate sorry yeah and I sort of said mate like I think normally new music's awful I've hit I've hit that point it's that line from the hitchhiker's guide isn't it have you seen that that there's a I'm gonna I'm gonna find it so I get it right but it's basically anything that was invented like anything that was invented before you were born is fine and normal and anything invented before you're 30 is exciting and new and you can probably get a career in it and everything that's so true anything that's invented after you were 30 is against the natural order of things that is it's that line it's interesting it's the line of 30 years old yeah where everything everything then so when would that have been 12 years ago what was that what's the maths there what was 12 what was 12 years ago so that's what is it now 25 yeah that's 15 yeah and then minus two more yeah 2013 yeah so anything after 2013 is awful that's true we played in small clubs we played in larger even theatres into arenas and then into stadiums so we've played like right across the board and all the different sort of conceivable shows you know we sort of gained a lot of experience doing that and something that you know that will stand us in good stead for the future you know because also playing to so many people and gaining that kind of that kind of respect really to get the stones thing a lot of people looked at that and thought you know why did you guys get it you know it's great to sort of look back and it's something you'll never forget to you know having done but you know that was then and this is now and the only thing in our mind right now is getting this record out and getting out and going back to clubs you know and trying to build up the fall on again doing with this band we're good at putting a couple of hundred people you know and that's what we'll go out and do right facts it's a fact time it is fact time I'll go through my fact sheet so released on 30th of March 1992 although I will point out that we get beaten up on social media almost every day for getting release dates wrong people get very excited they like time people like time don't they they do they like time and dates yeah if you get them wrong there's very definitely kind of an ADHD Asperger's-y thing there where it's like no that's not that's not the date this is the date and I just don't care well I mean it's not I don't care I don't care but I like is it the ballpark it's fine then close enough time isn't even real 30th of March 1992 is what we're going for album title is Gallus which is Scottish slang oh here we go because I didn't know this I was going to ask this question yeah what does it actually mean it means bold or cheeky oh cool I'm sure Lindsay is going no it doesn't you dickheads chucking fruit pastels at us something like that apparently but that's what Google told me which was interesting 50 minutes 16 seconds long that's a good laugh don't think it was remastered which is a good thing I don't think it needs to be remastered it sounds great that sounds great isn't it 10 tracks none of them are too long which is great it was on A&M Records what's too long go on what's the threshold for too long 5 minutes it's just getting warmed up 5 minutes is like you're just getting there I say that but like there's a lot of Metallica tracks that I like of Master and Justice that were like 3 hours long each 5 minutes is about intro isn't it that's for me it's just for you yeah you're like oh it's just getting started now it was recorded on A&M recorded as we've discussed at Park Lane Studio in Glasgow yeah yeah produced by Kenny McDonald it was let me go down to my engineering bit down here it was recorded by Al Clay now Al Clay worked with the Pixies and I think you can kind of hear like the Pixies have got that no nonsense you know just kind of straight up do you know what I mean there's no weird stuff going on in there and I think you can kind of hear a little bit of that in there so I think although that's really interesting isn't it isn't it I really like the Pixies yeah they're really cool yeah so and then yeah so it was it was produced by Kenny McDonald he did taking on the world before it and he did Texas we'll come back to Texas in a minute because there's a link between Texas have come up a few times haven't they today they have yeah I think again because they're from Scotland yeah but there's another link as well which I'm going to get to in my five things okay cool cool yeah so there you go they wanted to make the the album sound they wanted it to sound like Glasgow on a Saturday night that's kind of where they wanted to get to they didn't want they felt it's interesting they felt that their first album was too polished yeah yeah I'd like to play King Tut's in Glasgow King Tut's Wawa Hut yeah yeah that was Oasis wasn't it yeah and I'd like to play these are well Shepherds Bush Shepherds Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush and Norfolk Voodoo Daddies ooh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah talk it I mean I've never managed to get in touch with a number from King Tut's so if they're listening yeah like right please let's do a gig yeah the band's called Riding the Low and they love to come and play yes or you could have us we'll just do it live we'll just be me and Chris going up with no idea what we're doing for an hour that would be great right so albums from Gunn and the producer so taking on the world was Kenny MacDonald Gallus was Kenny MacDonald Swagger was Chris Sheldon now that's another name that rings a bell yeah now where is my list of things that Chris Sheldon did here I go here's my list of Chris Sheldon things so he did Therapy Trouble Gum he did The Almighty Crank he did a bunch of Shed 7 record Feed Us Polythene which I think we should do that's a great album let's do it next I was going to do we could do it next I was thinking we could do Wild Hearts okay Earth Versus okay next yeah let's do Earth Versus and then then Polythene then Polythene that's two weeks of planning but then but then here's some other things right so then you've got he also did Foo Fighters the colour and the shape wow that's a great record that is it is isn't it that's the one with February Stars on isn't it yeah it sounds lovely he mixed it he didn't produce it but yeah I think it sounds really good I'd like to be good at mixing yes I'm not I'm not very good I could do recording yeah I'm not very good at mixing I think this is the problem with musicians because they can't they're all a bit deaf they are genuinely they're all a little bit every musician I know they're all a little bit deaf it's true though isn't it they're all like what turn it up louder I mean it's what you'd expect from musicians I mean if you think about it just being slammed in the ear holes by massive caps all the time so he also did like all the Biffy Clyro albums Black and Sky Vertigo of Bliss and Infinite oh god they're so good I like Biffy yeah who did that Chris Sheldon yeah wow Ruben oh my god really very fast very dangerous does he still exist Chris Sheldon I'd like to talk to him he's good so he's done the last he's did therapy records in 2018 yeah therapy's Hard Cold Fire in 2023 and he did Shed Seven's Liquid Gold in 2024 so he's definitely still around he's out doing bits and bobs still he is yeah very very very cool dude I think and yeah clearly very talented and then there's a bunch of others they did 0141632 6326 in 97 then they did Break the Silence I liked Break the Silence it was kind of a resurgence so like 97 and then there's a like a massive gap like a 15 year gap until they did Break the Silence which I really liked Frantic I thought was really cool Favourite Pleasures again was really good and then the Carlton Songs in 2022 and then Hombres in 2024 which was done by Simon Bloor the records from 2012 to 2022 were all self-produced okay good there was no market for what they were there was no market for what they were doing there's been a bit of a resurgence I think in kind of hard rock and that kind of stuff so so they were out on their own self-producing things yeah yeah yeah exactly but I think Hombres I mean for me like 2024 that has to be a if you're not if you're a Gunn fan and you've not listened to their stuff kind of since the 90s Hombres from 2024 I remember when that came out and you said that you said like you've got to listen to Gunn's new one it's unbelievable it has to be up there it was like an album so is that Dante singing still yeah yeah yeah it has to for me it's got to be there was that album a potential album of the year for 2024 it's really really cool other stuff that was released in 1992 which again talks to why like Grunge Grunge was really popular but in the UK that hard rock stuff was still yeah they were still knocking about yeah yeah totally it had like a little bubble that existed where it didn't exist and it was subculture it definitely wasn't mainstream but you know I mean maybe maybe Terror Vision kind of broke through it a little bit yeah they got a bit more mainstream Terror Vision and Wild Hearts and stuff but yeah generally there was like a hard rock undercurrent wasn't there yeah there was it was yeah but I think that's coming back that's why you wanted to do this scene in the show wasn't it you wanted to do a few episodes because we've got a few listeners over in America that probably won't know this stuff I think there are people outside the UK that will have never heard of this stuff and yeah I don't know I just thought it would be nice to shine a light on it and we'll have to have a look at the stats at the end of the year we'll see a big dip where everybody just turned off but other albums from 92 Adrenalise by Def Leppard Fear of the Dark by Iron Maiden Angel Dust by Faith No More Countdown to Extinction no did we do Angel Dust no or did we do I thought we did Angel Dust I think we did we did both we did Angel Dust and we did oh yeah we did real thing yeah from Out Nowhere epic yeah all of that one yeah anyway Countdown to Extinction by Megadeth Dirt by Alice in Chains Whipped by Faster Pussycat Psalm 69 by Ministry wow Images and Words by Dream Theater Core by Stone Temple Pilots and Vulgar Display of Power by Pantera obviously most of them were American bands so there was still this stuff was still kind of happening in 92 still kind of big big rock and metal bands were going through but in like yeah in the UK we were we were still kind of very hard rocky wow yeah which was pretty cool other interesting stuff from 92 that I'd forgotten about James Hetfield yeah was hospitalised after Pyrotechnics went off near him and he got pretty badly burned oh gosh I'd forgotten about that Body Count released a track called Body Count Cop Killer I'd forgotten all about Body Count and that was that was like just that was proper controversial yeah yeah you don't do that yeah that was that was pretty crazy and then it was the Freddie Mercury tribute concert as well in 92 and I'd forgotten about tons of that as for singles from from Gallus Steal Your Fire that was the big one Welcome to the Real World and Higher Ground yes one of my favourites is Watching the World Go By the last track and it's fab but hopefully we're going to end with that because I absolutely adore that I think it's fantastic the album's built on themes of resilient struggle and pride I think it's interesting the tone difference in lyrics yeah between the debut in this album it's a little bit more it's a little bit more mature I think this one which is a yeah quite a nice thing promotion for Gallus was extensive so they did they did tons of like MTV stuff I was going to say it's a Henbagger's Ball thing that was knocking about yeah they did they did tons of stuff they went out on support with Defla but they were out on the Adrenalise tour which was pretty cool I think they ended up on a Rolling Stones tour as well on the album I don't think it was on Gallus I think it was on the debut but but yeah they did some pretty yeah pretty big pretty big tours I think which is which is pretty cool five things so we talked about this Gallus is Glaswegian slang for bold or cheeky cover art is Benny Lynch the Scottish boxing champion it reached number 14 on the UK albums chart which with three singles charting in the top 50 Kenny MacDonald also produced Texas's debut and Lloyd Cole's Don't Get Weird on Me Babe there were backing vocals on the album although not not like explicitly called out so Charlene Spiteri okay she did backing vocals on the debut yeah but the rumour is she did backing vocals on this too oh wow that she's not credited not credited now the other interesting thing is that Charlene Spiteri is Mark Rankin's cousin oh so that's that's the thing you wanted to say the Texas thing yeah yeah okay that's why you keep here in Texas because Charlene and Mark are cousins yeah wow she if I remember rightly I think Charlene Spiteri did a rock on tours you know with Gary Kemp and Guy Pratt I haven't listened to that podcast for age actually I love that I thought it was such a good podcast and she was so cool to listen to listen to speak you know she was so cool she's funny yeah yeah yeah yeah funny Charlene Spiteri I like I remember I remember being on TV yeah and not taking myself too seriously there have been some uses of tracks from Gallus in TV and media the biggest one from Gunn though is Word Up that gets used I think Top Gear used it which is such a shame because they won't get the writing credits for it you know with that extensive they'll also get the performance credits or the mechanicals yeah but not the songwriting bit sad isn't it really and then yeah and that's kind of it there's no remasters for not that I could find I couldn't find any remasters of this which is a good thing I don't think any of these first three got remastered which I quite like and then after this album came Swagger which yeah which which which changed a little bit Alex Dixon the guitarist left the drummer Scott Shields left before Swagger so this is the last album that they they were on eventually I think I might get this slightly wrong but Mark Rankin was on it was on Swagger and then he was also on 0141 and then and then Dante takes over the vocals for all of the albums okay from there from there after that point and that is it for facts very good facts thank you very much very good facts we should have like a thing that plays so we've already decided what we're going to do next week well have we let me let's do this Wild Hearts Earth Versus we did but and then Feeders Polythene Polythene the week after I love Polythene yeah it's a great record right let me let me do this look I'm going to find why can I not oh god my Apple music's gone all weird you know when it goes all weird on you and you I know there are albums why just show me that anyway so I think right so there are in the 90s in the 90s we could do Fuck which was 93 Earth Versus which Apple music tells me is 93 I'm not convinced and then there was Fishing for Luckies in 95 and then Endless Nameless in 97 yeah my favourite by far is Earth Versus it's got Greetings from Shitsville and TV Tan and Everlone and Love Shit and My Baby is the Head Fuck and Sucker Punch and yeah Sucker Punch is great that album is just phenomenal but then like Fuck has got I Want to Go Where the People Go yeah that's a big tune Justin Lust Baby Strange yeah Caprice Be My Drug it's dead good Earth Versus is that's the one where I think I would which one is Endless Nameless is the one with a weird is that the one with a weird production one of them's got like quite a harsh production yeah yeah I think I think you're probably right I think Earth Versus is probably the one never understood the album cover no Earth Versus no I Want to Go is was like you know I keep talking about this album this great which gum was on word of yeah yeah yeah and I made them run to the hills and a few others that was on there as well the Wild Hearts I Want to Go Where the People Go yeah it was about that time yeah that was a but yeah Earth Versus yeah let's do Earth Versus do Earth Versus from the Wild Hearts I do like the Wild Hearts and I have to say although the line-up has changed a little bit over the years their latest record sounds like Earth it's gone back to this sound to me the Satanic Rites one yeah yeah the Satanic Rites of the Wild Hearts I got a preview copy of it and it kind of blew me away a little bit I wasn't expecting because Ginger had been he's been up and down a little bit yeah bless him you can tell when he's like in a good place mentally because he's I don't know he's good fun on social media and doesn't take it too seriously he doesn't get into fights and he's just kind of like you know whatever I don't need I don't need some random stranger to agree with me on X to Gio and he doesn't buy it and stuff and there was a period before this where the band had broken up and everybody was kind of giving him a hard time and you could kind of just see him spiralling and it was just like you know when you everybody wants Ginger Wild Heart to succeed I don't think anybody on the planet wants him to not do well and you could just like I don't know you just wanted someone to kind of reach out and give him a hug and kind of dude it's it's alright don't you know and then and then he went quiet for like six months or so and then started to come back on social media with just these bits like I've got I've got a new band together and it's the best thing ever just amazing and then you just saw him get like I don't know like more positive and better about everything and then the record came out and all of the reviews were like really positive and you know what I mean and then you just saw him and I saw an interview with him and he was just I have to say though if you're if you're onto a creative project that means a huge amount to you I know people call it like passion projects and I think that cheapens it a bit because it becomes about that creative project becomes a part of your almost like vision for life and your outlook on everything and it's more than just a passion thing or a hobby or it becomes you know the thing that it's your sort of self expression and if that thing isn't working it impacts everything it impacts everything like everything becomes rubbish all of a sudden because the thing that you love and the thing that you pour your heart into it's a part of you isn't it it becomes a part of you and you can't it's interesting because it isn't part of you it's what you did but you you know you can't oh it's difficult it's really to separate yourself yeah it's very difficult to separate yourself from the criticism of that if it doesn't go very well but yeah I always think you should never count Ginger out he's never down for long do you know what I mean if you look at all of the at least an entire career yeah there are bits where he's been knocked down a little bit and struggled but he comes back he always comes back and he always comes back punching and just nobody writes melody like Ginger he's just it's incredible actually it just reminded me while we're just talking about that just as a off the cuff thing do you remember Frank Turner yes he's a massive Wild Hearts fan he would go on tour with Frank Turner's just done a brilliant thing he's done the levee you know with his tour yeah so a pound from every sale is filtered through to Brass Roots yeah yeah yeah which is just great I saw that a few people are starting to do that now well he was in a punk band Frank Turner was in a punk band called the Million Dead yeah yeah so I mean I've seen Frank Turner again Frank Turner's one of those guys his records sound a bit punk a bit kind of folky and a bit poppy his live show is more hardcore yeah so it's kind of this bonkers energy where you know and I love it I saw him at Rock City and there are people going in there who kind of like the folky side of things and you go in there and it turns into this like manic hardcore show with kids throwing themselves and stage diving you know what I mean you can just see the eyes suddenly go like dinner plates like oh what is going on here but anyway I saw I always try and go and see the wild especially if they're in at Rock City and I've seen like Frank Turner will come out and play and he'll sing various tracks he's a massive fan but he is just going back out on tour again as the Million Dead which were his original punk band which no one's ever heard of so if you're a fan of Frank Turner and you like that kind of thing then check that out because I think they're at Rock City oh that's great so that will be a really cool gig I think that is cool yeah yeah yeah I don't know whether anyone will go I don't know if there's anyone left alive who remembers the Million Dead but if you are it would be very cool yeah yeah yeah wicked right well we're going to put a song on and then we're going to say goodbye then so do say love you bye now or do you go after the song should we come back after and do that yeah let's do that we can't we can't end without loving bye you say it just scares you when you look around things never ever had to be this way sometimes when I look at friends I just see myself now leaving is the price I have to pay wish me well you know I gotta go you know I gotta go I've done my time I'm living without freedom within and I'm torn and divided inside nothing left to give nothing left to lose and it's time I decided to say goodbye you say you can't never tell what tomorrow brings that I've been there and I've walked that road before things can change and I'll look back at the memory as the night falls another dream just slipped away I can't stay here watching the world go by watching the world go by I've I've done my time living without freedom within and I'm torn and divided inside nothing left to give nothing left to lose and it's time I decided to say goodbye say goodbye born to live till the day we die people talk tell me who decides days just pass you by life will pass you by had enough of the same old scene same old places same old dreams when I watch my world go back let me go somebody help me I can't stay here watching the world provide watching the world provide I've done my time love to hear love to hear love to hear love to hear love to hear love to hear love to hear love to hear love to hear love you bye see we can do it with the song in the key love you bye