Show Notes
When a bee girl sold millions and tragedy waited in the wings
Hosts: Neil & Chris
Duration: ~79 minutes
Release: 21 April 2025
Episode Description
Blind Melon dropped their self-titled debut in September 1992 and absolutely nobody cared. LA band records in Seattle, doesn't fit hair metal scene, doesn't fit grunge scene, sits there gathering dust until "No Rain" explodes year later suddenly four million copies worldwide. Album opens with Shannon Hoon singing about his shoes getting loose which Neil thinks is brilliant, any album starting with footwear commentary wins immediately. Recorded at London Bridge Studios with Rick Parashar producing, Temple of the Dog and Pearl Jam 10 engineer genius capturing delicate lush production, high dynamic range like proper 70s records before everything got slammed. LA refugees who toured with Guns N' Roses, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, Neil Young, Lenny Kravitz somehow existing in vortex between glam excess and grunge authenticity, Shannon doing backing vocals on Use Your Illusion "Don't Cry" before heading north to make folky psychedelic neo-whatever-this-is.
What You'll Hear:
- Opening banter shoe lyrics brilliant wife-swapping name changes IT pranks 90s nobody understanding jobs grown-ups ruined millennium, Blind Melon by Blind Melon album band name Cheech and Chong skit Blind Lemon Jefferson Brad Smith's father, podcast fruit pastels Coke Zero Sunday Easter baby Jesus chocolate eggs disorganised conference week lovely
- Production deep dive Rick Parashar delicate touch versus sludgy Seattle sound, London Bridge Studios 1985 Rick Raj Parashar high ceilings hardwood floors Neve 8048 analogue lushness, recorded late 91 early 92 vintage gear creating 70s vibe, dynamic range 10-11 versus modern 5, vinyl versus CD compression needle groove physics, air in mix textural drums not punchy, vocals recorded live with band tons of bleed flanger masking, headphones reveal everything fills room beautifully
- Band origin story formed LA 1990 vortex glam ending grunge beginning fitting nowhere, Shannon Hoon Axl Rose connection Use Your Illusion backing vocals "Don't Cry", toured Guns N' Roses Stone Temple Pilots Pearl Jam Lenny Kravitz Neil Young coolest man planet Instagram healthiest, Capitol Records $400k 1991 nobody gets money anymore, authentic collaborative jamming hours capturing takes no agonizing Def Leppard Mutt Lang, acoustic guitar driven loud in mix sitting where distorted electrics normally go, bass Brad Smith flute technical melodic never overplaying phenomenal Black Crows similarity
- Commercial journey slow build released September 92 crickets then "No Rain" single catapulted eventually four times platinum 4 million worldwide 2.5 million US, bee girl Georgia Graham drummer's sister school play costume became symbol outsiders not fitting in Tommy Steele cover design, MTV staple video iconic, Shannon Hoon heroin overdose October 95 band disbanded 99 released Soup 95 Nico 96 demos B-sides rarities studio sessions, no remasters reissues good thing version recorded not faffed MacBook, critics called derivative lazy journalism bonkers not Seattle sound at all
- Tracks discussion "Tones of Home" feeling misunderstood out of place, "No Rain" depression longing for acceptance Chris confused thought heard TV show Top Gear Allman Brothers similar melodic guitar, "I Wonder" questioning control choices, "Change" Brad Smith wrote years before signature song, 50 minutes runtime Neil borderline acceptable loves it effortless background focus zoning debugging code 2019 hastily written complaints fix MacBook phasing awareness black hole concentration, influences Allman Brothers Led Zeppelin Grateful Dead Counting Crows Black Crows Government Mule, Spotify similar artists Pearl Jam Alice in Chains Stone Temple Pilots Soundgarden Jane's Addiction Mad Season Nirvana Smashing Pumpkins Sublime Temple of the Dog Beastie Boys Mother Love Bone Unified Theory Red Hot Chili Peppers AC/DC Notorious B.I.G. Tragically Hip Guns N' Roses Screaming Trees
- Next episode preview jumping pond back Britain underbelly Britpop needs name not Britrock awful, 90s UK scene Therapy Troublegum confirmed first, Gun Gallus better than Swagger songwriting versus commercial Bon Jovi parallel, The Almighty Soul Destruction phenomenal, Wild Hearts Earth vs still fuck yeah, Bush Sixteen Stone broke States Def Leppard parallel, Manic Street Preachers Everything Must Go, Feeder Polythene, Little Angels Thunder Backstreet Symphony Wolf Spain Tamworth, Three Colours Red, Toby Jepson audio book history Kids Working Man's Club Dars thought Beatles Wayward Sons new band Nuneaton Gun Swagger exciting, need interviews Hair Metal Guru YouTube LA scene infighting love record labels capitalizing, SAS Rogue Heroes TV phenomenal funny crying Black Sabbath AC/DC Misfits The Jam punky rocky brilliant, Minecraft movie Jason Momoa Skid Row "I Remember You" brilliant, wife-swapping 80s fondue parties Dallas culture Thatcherite excess fed up authentic flannel Seattle kids, 1992 Bill Clinton oral sex famous Compact Disc overtook cassettes Freddie Mercury tribute Reservoir Dogs Wayne's World theatre screen scary, podcast growing listeners 50-50 US UK stats education journey forgotten rediscovering
Featured Tracks & Analysis:
Chris didn't think knew album but recognised quite few bits flowing beautifully don't know which song which liner notes awareness, delicate production Rick Parashar adapting band not slamming compression like Temple 10 Alice in Chains Dinosaur Jr Melissa Etheridge highlights producer skill, acoustic guitar very loud dominant mix hard left rhythmic percussive drums appear can't figure where textural not gut punch more room bass, Brad Smith bass work standout technical melodic without overplaying plays flute excellent, Shannon interviewed Pink Floyd Sid Barrett LSD Friday tradition Salvation Army heroin detox community service saw darkness glamorous punishment needed seeing therapeutic bleeding music communication breaking walls meeting strangers singing songs common bond, "Tones of Home" Guitar Hero, tracks used media "No Rain" everywhere literally every TV programme, Jamie session running fast wife swapping couples monthly convinced trying figure better left unknown Black Mirror drama stories not history lesson music epic.
Tangential Gold:
- IT jobs 90s fun email name changes hyphen confusion spell wrong poking yuppies mobile phones granted project managers risk assessments millennium grown-ups boring, cassette versus CD 92 still tapes Neil wouldn't buy £13.99 full price C90 50 minutes borderline acceptable TDK logistics, vinyl floppy cardboardy smell modern rigid billiard ball flat Slayer Reign in Blood Seasons Rust in Peace Among the Living loft box thrash albums, fruit pastels Sainsbury's Coke Zero thirds pack Sunday Easter disorganised conference debugging 2019 code mate Chris fix crappy used every day complaints hastily written
- Shannon Hoon daughter sleep tour catch up affects every aspect parent child same time mesh together grow up trap escape emergency podcast glad joined scary Monday think what said bad listeners thank you having with us, wife swapping 80s fondue parties Dallas yuppies stripy shirts 911s Thatcherite Britain excess gloating money suspenders grown-ups ruined, SAS Rogue Heroes World War Two regiment history funny laugh question cry incredible fortunate went through dealt coped not history lesson drama stories people music Black Sabbath AC/DC Misfits The Jam punky when hell breaks loose trucks brilliant praying quiet time genuinely laughed cried recommended, Minecraft movie youngest good laugh teenage boys shouting chicken jockey funny first twelve times 15 stop being Jason Momoa Skid Row "I Remember You" yes brilliant
- Blog rethink similar artists not encompassing appropriately Spotify AI machine learning people listen Blind Melon also listen algorithm interesting need solve problem, underbelly Britpop needs name alternative Brit rock scene Gun The Almighty Wild Hearts Bush Thunder Little Angels tons phenomenal records overshadowed, Toby Jepson Little Angels audio book history Kids Working Man's Club Dars Beatles best biggest thing bussed around phenomenal love humans seeing shooting camera Wayward Sons walks out excited, Gun Nuneaton blew away Swagger Word Up Gallus better songwriting Bon Jovi Slippery When Wet before New Jersey parallel commercial versus authentic, Hair Metal Guru YouTube channel X interviews now doing good job LA hair bands talking time filling gaps dropped labels infighting love why happened two guys got on studio naturally together fan felt somebody controlling wasn't record labels capitalize kids knew each other let's do this maturity looking back right wrong, Therapy Irish over pond, bands flirting pop charts Skunk Anansie Wild Hearts charted overshadowed US grunge Seattle 50-50 listeners stats US UK journey education forgotten rediscovered
- 1992 Bill Clinton oral sex famous what else did he do that's it great, Compact Disc overtook cassettes first year, Freddie Mercury tribute concert, movies Reservoir Dogs Wayne's World favourite theatre screen dark scary bit, Seattle versus LA didn't fit anywhere glam tail end grunge starting vortex middle nothing like sound, toured massive bands Guns N' Roses Stone Temple Pilots Pearl Jam Lenny Kravitz Neil Young coolest man planet appears Instagram healthiest not human, Shannon interviews community service Salvation Army heroin detox saw darkness not glamorous punishment maybe needed therapeutically bleed music communication breaking walls strangers common bond daughter what say can't believe ask, heroin big problem 80s glam bands struggled carried Seattle exactly same Shannon October 95 overdose, best interviews reminiscing stories context reverence versus in story kids middle it
- Nobody gets given money anymore $400k 1991 Capitol Records now take thing written record company mm maybe next one don't care albums singles videos MTV interviews magazines then road, Soundgarden dragged mates tour successful magazine articles mentioning friends bringing everyone Pacific Northwest world didn't care 1990 glam still happening weren't looking Seattle Soundgarden hey over here then Temple Alice in Chains then Nirvana 92 steamrolled came back loads these bands big enough world oh I like find more, eighties decade excess everyone 911s stripy shirts Only Fools and Horses Del Boy yuppies mobile fondue parties Thatcherite making money gloating successful fed up end 80s keep suspenders then Seattle genuine authentic kids flannel shirts just doing thing not trying mega stars chilling making music gut feeling hair metal big brash mum watching Dallas wife swapping culture then 90s world had enough short attention spans, released August 27 1991 summer Mookie Blaylock basketball player number 10 shirt hence title, slow start took year disheartening nobody cared then grunge scene grew became monster Hysteria Def Leppard nobody cared went America huge assume great thing released everyone finds straight away no takes time absolutely not
Why This Matters:
Blind Melon captures band existing in vortex between two massive scenes fitting neither, LA refugees recording Seattle epicenter but sounding nothing like grunge or glam, delicate folky psychedelic neo-whatever creating 70s analog vibe high dynamic range air in mix before everything got slammed compressed. Rick Parashar genius adapting producing Temple 10 Alice in Chains sludgy but this delicate beautiful Neve 8048 vintage gear hardwood ceilings captured jamming authenticity. Shannon Hoon tragic figure Axl Rose connection Use Your Illusion backing vocals then heading north making opposite excess anti-commercial but wasn't even grunge yet just authentic music grief Andrew Wood uncertainty Mother Love Bone Temple connection Seattle scene mates touring Soundgarden dragging everyone Pacific Northwest attention. Commercial journey nobody cared September 92 then "No Rain" exploded year later four million worldwide bee girl symbol outsiders not fitting okay, Shannon heroin overdose October 95 band disbanded 99 same problems hair metal carried over. Album effortless not agonized collaborative jamming capturing takes pressure cathartic lovely Brad Smith bass flute technical melodic acoustic guitar driven loud mix sitting where distorted electrics normally textural drums percussive vocals recorded live bleed flanger masking challenges Rick navigated brilliantly. No remasters reissues good thing version recorded preserved not faffed MacBook respect moment decisions room gear emotions leave alone even objectively could improve. Critics called derivative lazy journalism bonkers not Seattle sound at all 70s Allman Brothers Led Zeppelin Grateful Dead influences Black Crows similarity melodic guitar work. Understanding wasn't designed iconic happened right place world shifted accidental masterpiece delicate lush production neo-psychedelia alternative folk rock shoe lyrics brilliant opening any album starting footwear commentary wins Neil philosophy. Underbelly Britpop next jumping pond Therapy Troublegum confirmed Gun The Almighty Wild Hearts Thunder Little Angels phenomenal British 90s scene needs name not Britrock overshadowed but incredible songwriting raucous energy Toby Jepson Hair Metal Guru interviews SAS Rogue Heroes TV brilliant laughing crying recommended fruit pastels wife swapping mysteries better left unknown.
Perfect for: shoe lyric appreciators, delicate production enthusiasts, Rick Parashar disciples, bee girl symbol understanders, neo-psychedelia definers, vortex dwellers, LA Seattle refugees, acoustic guitar mix lovers, dynamic range preservationists, Neve 8048 fetishists, collaborative jamming believers, Brad Smith bass flute admirers, Shannon Hoon mourners, Black Crows comparers, "No Rain" rediscoverers, heroin scene historians, Lenny Kravitz coolest man confirmers, Capitol Records $400k nostalgics, Allman Brothers Top Gear confusers, effortless album backgrounders, debugging code soundtrack seekers, Spotify algorithm mappers, wife swapping mystery respecters, SAS Rogue Heroes watchers, Minecraft chicken jockey survivors, IT prank veterans, fruit pastels Coke Zero ritualists, Britpop underbelly explorers, Therapy next episode anticipators, fitting nowhere celebrators, grunge vortex cartographers, delicate versus sludgy appreciators
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All I can say is that my life is pretty plain I like watching the puddles gather rain There we go, you see? Oh, you're good, straight into that. I went in with the sound of the song. Do you know what I really love about this album? Straight off the bat, we're talking about the album straight away. Straight away, do you know what it is? I love the lyrics to the first line of the first song. It talks about his shoes. Any album that starts with a man talking about his shoes is fine by me, I think. Hello, by the way, we're Riffology. Welcome, welcome, Riffology. Nay, Monster Shop. Nay, Monster Shop? Yeah, before we were married. I used to love that. Do you know where we had, I used to, when one of my first jobs, I work in IT and I was doing email And people would come and ask you to change their name. So they'd get married and they'd come and ask you to change their name. And this was back in the 90s. Yes. Back in the 90s, I wasn't very old or mature. And we would just say, no. And I'd get really angry. So then, what you'd do is you'd then spell it a bit wrong. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Have some fun with it. Yeah, I'd say something like, I want a hyphen. Yeah. So what you'd do is you'd hyphen, you'd say, okay, and then you'd pretend you got confused and hyphenate their first name. We had so much fun with that. And there's stories of like, and especially if you saw somebody's name that you thought, I can really, you know, enter, you would. But that was before we didn't have any grants. That was when jobs were fun, wasn't it? But you know, we were talking about this a few weeks ago. The bit I think that's really funny about that is like, the world ran on IT back then. Yeah. But none of our bosses knew how to do it. And we were just like kids, like we're in a suite. We would just like, we'd do what we wanted. And then we would just go like, oh, yeah, it went wrong. And then we'd just, you know what I mean? Then you'd just fix it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then you'd be like, oh. So we had such a good laugh by then. And then I think it was the end, like the millennium. Yeah. Then the grown-ups came in and we had project managers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you had all, you had like risk assessments. Yeah, the world doesn't need grown-ups, does it? And then you had, what else did we have? We had, you had to have risk assessments to do things. You had, oh, it was awful. Yeah. And then people were coming up, why are you doing that? Yeah. Because it's funny. Yeah. It's not in the project plan. You can't do that anymore. You should stop doing that. Then it got boring. Anyway, we're doing Blind Melon by Blind Melon. Yeah. Great. We decided last week. I miss them. Right. So yeah, I totally miss them. I didn't, I didn't, I didn't hear that. I was a bit young for that when that came out. And by the time I got into music, it was all about big, thick guitars and rock and Blind Melon. Isn't that? It's actually really, it's quite summery, light, West Coast kind of sounding. Although it was, they were, it was still the Seattle thing, wasn't it? It was still the London Bridge Studios. It was still. I think they were, yeah, eventually. Yeah. Yeah. But I don't think, I kind of don't think that's where they came from. Shannon knocked about with Axl Rose. You knew him. Yeah. And sang on Use Your Illusion and backing vocals and that sort of thing. Yeah, he did. He did the backing vocals for Use Your Illusion. But I think like the, you have to think the time of this. So this was 90, wasn't it? So this was 22nd September, oh, 22nd September 92. The band formed in 90. Yeah. And I think it's really interesting because you'd got the tail end of glam in Los Angeles and then you'd got grunge and alt rock and all of that stuff just starting to kind of happen in Seattle. So they were sort of in the vortex. They didn't fit in either. No, no. They were in the middle. They were like, do you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Where are we kind of thing? And they got all the kind of. Because they sound like nothing like any of that other stuff. They don't. Yeah. And like they. Arguably the vocal style. Arguably the singing is kind of got the rocky thing. Maybe. Possibly. Yeah. It's got a little bit of gruff on it. There is some of that, but they just didn't. Yeah. They just didn't fit anywhere. And then eventually ended up at London Bridge Studios, which is kind of where we connected them from. From Pearl Jam. For the last few weeks. Where we kind of thought that actually we should take a look at this one. So that London Bridge was a hub, wasn't it? That was a hub for kind of grunge recording. That was where a lot of things happened in that studio. Yeah. I think so. It just ended up being like the place to go. If you were in that space, kind of alt rock and grunge. It just seems to happen with studios, doesn't it? Yeah. You know, they kind of, you just get these studios. And I think it's more about the producer than the studio. Yeah. Well, it's about the producers and the engineers and that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You go there to do that thing. Yeah. But, you know, you can imagine, and we talked about this before with Caius, when they first went into the studio and they were going into studios that were used to recording like prog rock bands. Yeah. Yeah. So when the lads turned up with their trousers falling down and their strings, like, you know, dragging on the floor behind them, they were like, no, get these guitars, you know, get these guitars in tune. Yeah. So they tuned them all up. And then it sounded awful. Yeah. Well, it didn't, it was interesting. They were like, it doesn't sound like Caius. So all the kids that loved the band, because they'd seen them in those desert concerts and stuff and then, and then bought the, or I'd say bought the album, it would have got the tapes of it. That's not, that's not the band. That's not the band I want to hear. Yeah. I want to hear the band that, you know, that are out there in the desert. And I think there's a, there's a certain thing with this where like certain studios, like match certain scenes. And I think my gut feeling with a lot of this is it's because the, like the kids in these studios that were running them and were doing all the work in them. Liked that music. Yes. So they got it. They were part of the scene. So, you know, certainly with London Bridge, you got the feeling that if you were in Seattle and you were in a band, you were probably hanging in about in the studio. You know, it wasn't like a clean cut kind of your records over get out. Yes. That shall not come back unless you're paying. Do you know what I mean? You kind of get the feeling that as people would just come and drop in. Yeah. You know what I mean? Stuff would happen. Yeah. And I think that there's just a ton of that. And that for me is where the scene. That melting pot thing. Yeah. The scene comes from. It's interesting that Blind Melon just didn't fit. I mean, even the cover of the album doesn't fit. No. It just like nothing about them fits that, that scene. And yet they were kind of part of it. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? They didn't fit musically, but they were still. Well, it was listening to the interviews and they're talking about all the bands they kind of go on tour with. Yeah. You know? And it's like, they're not, they're not even the same genre in my mind. I don't even, none of it fits. They're going to have heavy rock bands. We got, we got a record deal from a demo tape that we made in a garage, basically. And we played, you know, some shows for, for the weasels in Los Angeles and, and, and ended up, you know, getting signed and leaving as quickly as possible. It, it was probably a good thing that it happened, believe it or not, because I had to do some, some community service in a heroin detox, in a Salvation Army heroin detox. And I think that, I think that for anybody who, who thinks that, that it's a very glamorous life, if they could have witnessed the insides of this place, I think that they would have probably had a different thought about taking that, that road. It's definitely not the high road, but out of something bad, I, you know, my punishment was something that probably helped me out. Something that maybe I needed to see myself, you know, sometimes it takes that before you can really understand, you know, what, what that, what it'll do to you. So, yeah, I mean, you know, what, what do I say to my child when she asked me about that? You know, I don't know. Here, they went on, they went on tour with Guns N' Roses. They went on tour with Stone Temple Pilots and Pearl Jam. They went on tour with Lenny Kravitz, Neil Young, Neil Young, I guess. You could fit with Neil Young, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. But it's weird, isn't it? Yeah. It's like, it feels more like, because they were so authentic. Do you know what I mean? There was no, and we talked about this before we started to record the show, but they're a band to me, like a lot of these bands from, from Seattle kind of got, got, got lumped into that scene. It was really authentic. You get the feeling that no one sat and debated what key it was going to be and how long it should be in, or whether there should be a break before this, or there should be a bridge here. Do you know what I mean? You just got the feeling that this was, do you know what I mean? It was, it was what poured out of them at that point in time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It wasn't agonized over in the same way that perhaps some of the tracks would have been down in LA as part of the, you know, the hair metal scene. I kind of think that down there, there would have been a little bit more, you know, oh, well, uh, this band are doing it in this key or this band are doing this, or they're doing it short, or they're doing this, or we need a, a chorus that we can sing in stadiums or whatever. You got the feeling that there, there was a little bit more, um, like consciously done like those records. But the ones that were coming out of Seattle, I get the feeling we're not, there was more about the emotion. It was more about the storytelling and it's slightly less, um, um, I don't know. Um, yeah, I just, I just get the feeling that like, I reckon like most of the band didn't know what key, you know what I mean? Just playing the song. And I'm sure they did, but you know, I mean, that's kind of how it comes, it comes across that they just didn't know. They're just doing it all by feel. It's what feels right goes. Just relaxed, dead chilled out. If it sounded good, yeah, whatever, you know, and then, um, and that's kind of where that scene, that scene came from. And Blind Melon, I think that's, that was for me, that's the connection because they've got that, that kind of authenticity of, um, I mean, it's weird. I kind of want to say not caring, but that's not what I mean. No, no, no. It's this, you know, whether it's letting it flow, it's a flow thing. Whether it's successful or not is like, well, whatever. Yeah. We're just doing our thing. Yeah. And I really, really like that. Um, I do, I do like, I think one of my favorite things about the whole record is the, it's quite driven by acoustic guitar. Yeah. Uh, where, and I think that's one of the key differences between this and a lot of the other grungy stuff that was going around at the time in that a lot of the, um, a lot of the, a lot of the, the key moments in this album, the, the acoustic guitar is very loud in the mix. Yeah. And it sits in the place that normally you have a big, thick electric distorted guitar. Yeah. Which is something that's kind of compressed and, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it does. And, and it's, you know, like listening to No Rain just through these speakers a minute ago, the, the, the guitar's quite dominant. It's quite, it's hard, it's hard left, I think. And it's, it's really dominant and everything else seems to be supporting that really rhythmical guitar. And even like the drums on, you know, the drums appear at some point, but you can't quite figure out where they're, where they come in and that, cause it's all quite percussive. It's, it's, I just think it's really, everything blends really well, but. It's very textural, the drums for me. Yeah, yeah. They're not like, you know, um, often with this kind of stuff, well, I say this kind of, so often with the, again, going back to the hair metal stuff, the drums were quite punchy. Yeah. Whereas this kind of, it's almost that the, the drums are, they're more, more textural. It's, it's, it's, they're not kind of slamming, you know, you don't got a gut punch. No, exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. From this kind of stuff. Yeah. Um, which is interesting actually, because it makes a lot more room for the bass and because you haven't got those big thick guitars, you've got a lot more room for the bass and the bass work, I think is probably the, the, the standout thing from this, this band is the bass. I think, um, uh, is it Brad Smith? I think it is. Yeah. Um, just what a player, like doesn't, somehow manages to play really technical melodic stuff without overplaying. Yeah. Plays the flute as well. Which I think is, which I think is excellent. Um, yeah, I think, I think you're right. There's, there's, um, a real similarity for me between, um, Blind Melon and, uh, the Black Crows. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh. What were your thoughts, as they were flying through your mind, compared to what you feel from the bars you're now behind? If they could speak, do you think they'd say to you, I do believe you'd been better off, you just told the truth. Never had a problem till I stood up to me, and I wish there was a way for me to go inside so I could see, all the faiths of the people who were told to be from me, as I grew from the sea. Oh, to the tree. Can you feel the power of the eye? And it's sitting away by you, even where we lie? Or do you taste? Can you take a drink of me? And is it too much for me to ask about, to ask you to leave? Oh, please just leave. Cause I want to be alone. Oh, please. I want to be alone. There's a fine line, between love and my feelings for you, hard time. I washed it all away, unkind. I watch your future burn before you, denied. a chance of any love in your life. And I asked you, one time, why, why? I never had a problem till I stood up to face with me, and I wish there was a way for me to go inside so I could see, all the faiths of the people who were told to be, as told to be from me. All the faiths of the people who were told to be, as I grew from the sea to the tree. I didn't think I knew this album. Yeah. But there were quite a few bits that I did know. And I'd heard, it's weird with these albums sometimes, where it's not an album that you've played over and over again, and you know inside and out. Yeah. And you think, oh, no, I don't know that. And then you listen to it for the show, and you think, oh, actually. Yeah, yeah, there's what I know more of this than I know. The bit that I don't get with this album, sorry to interrupt you, is I don't know what song's which. Yeah. Like, I didn't, you know, like, sometimes you listen, and you're with the liner notes, and you're looking through everything, so you know which song is which, and oh, that's that song. And with this, I'm kind of like, even when we were choosing the songs to put in the show, it was that thing of, because they all flow into each other so beautifully, and they kind of, there's such a flow to the album. I sort of don't know where one starts and the other ends, in some respects. And what you end up with is like, oh, I'm going to have a flick through to find that one that I like. Like, I think, yeah, I think that's a, like, for me, that happened a lot with that, like, 70s. Yes. You know, kind of 70s rock. This has got a 70s vibe to it, actually. It has. I mean, the Black Crows do as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think, for me, that's kind of where, but it's in the, like, the tonality a little bit, you know, it's kind of the way there's plenty of air in them. The other thing from this, the dynamic range is quite high. I think it's like 10 or 11, which is getting a little bit nerdy, but it's the difference between the kind of the quiet sound and the loud sound on the album. Yeah. Modern, like, modern rock albums, that might be down at five. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's like a solid, you know, when you look. The CD was about eight, wasn't it? Well, it depends on how it's produced. Like, so vinyl, the dynamic range of vinyl, it's got a limited amount of dynamic range. So you have to squash it. So you have to, yeah, you, like, you, yeah, you can't have, like, massive, you can't have really quiet and really loud. Because essentially, the needle just launches out of the groove. Yeah. So you have to be a little bit, when they're producing, I have to be a little bit careful. CD allowed them to not care about that. Yeah. You didn't have to worry about it at all. So that, like, a quiet sound going to a really loud sound really, you know, really quickly. Like, imagine it's like there's almost nothing happening and then you just get that sudden kind of click off a kick drum or whatever. The groove in the vinyl, yeah, there are limits how you can go in a CD, you don't have that. So what that meant is when they were doing CDs, they just slammed everything and they just don't, just didn't have to care. With vinyl, you had to have a little bit of care to it. And it would sound weird as well. If you, if you tried to do that with vinyl, it wouldn't sound, you would lose, you lose the edges and stuff. So with a lot of these, you end up with air, you end up with air in the mix. And when those, like, kick drums and other bits and pieces come in, they're not as, like, heavy. But what that means is that there are other bits in there that will take the space in the mix. So the vocals and other bits and pieces will go there. So you end up with, bizarrely, a more dynamic sound on the old analog stuff because you can't just slam everything to the limits. So I think that's partly why I think this one and the Black Crow stuff too, and a few others actually from Seattle, ended up having that, that kind of 70s analog, you know, kind of the, the, that vibe you got from those 70s records. Yeah, yeah. Where there's, there's like a gentleness to it. Yeah. I mean, it's not punching you in the face. It's not, like, slamming. It's, it's this, you know, kind of like, you said, like a gentle flowing sound to it. And it is, it is beautiful. That's absolutely beautiful. The way, the way Rick did this, Rick Parrishaw did this, this record. Yeah. And your production wise, it's kind of, I would describe it as delicate. Yeah. That's a great word for it, actually. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that is a great word for it. But then listening to, like, so if I look at the other stuff that he did, he did 10, which we talked about last week. Yeah. Not particularly delicate record. No, no. He did Temple of the Dog, you know, Alice in Chains, Dinosaur Junior. Yeah, you see, they're all quite sludgy, aren't they? Yeah, Melissa Etheridge. This one is an interesting, it's kind of, it sticks out a little bit, but it just highlights how good a producer Rick was. Yeah, yeah, just got the band and. Yeah, the ability to kind of go, actually, I'm not going to, you know, I'm not going to bring in more compressors and slant all to pieces. I'm just going to let this play out. But it's beautiful. And again, an album that for me really comes to life on headphones, if you. Oh, yeah, I can imagine, actually, a nice set of headphones. Yeah, it sounds phenomenal. Another album I listened to this week was Grace. Which took headphones to figure it out. Yeah, but again, that's a record that has got that. That's got a delicacy to it. Yeah, it's beautiful and delicate. And it's like, it's one of those records that you can just turn it up so much more on headphones. And it just feels, you know, it feels great. This one, Blind Melon, for me, that works great on speakers. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? It kind of fills the room a little bit. And it's got a, yeah, if you can get it nice and loud. And it's lovely, I think. But beautifully produced, I think. All alone, the broadening skies Under the every night I light Scratching claw and grip the rails Every day, my living hell Oh, God, you know I tried I know how hard I tried You know I tried Oh, God, you know I tried Oh, God, you know I tried Oh, God, you know I tried Yeah Hey, I'd like two days away To a place no one has known In a state of mind I could call mine That only I could own Where I could harm a tune Anytime I choose And there's no such thing as time Where I feel no pain Just go insane What a place for one to find Now, you see, I'm watching everything I do And they're watching everything I say So they will leave me, leave me, leave me there So I'm gonna ask myself, so I'm saying why am I even here? Ooh, and I wonder You leave me wonderin' You leave me wonderin' Won't you stop watchin' me? I said they'd watch me, watch me, watch me, yeah Now in my corner I got this stealing in my eyes And I'm soldin' up my knees, man Rockin' back and boss my life I didn't mean to feel this way when I wanted to love And they ripped away my memories And I can't remember who I was before And now they're watchin' everything I do And they're watchin' everything I say So they'll leave me, leave me Oh, leave me Oh, leave me, yeah Oh, leave me, yeah And I only wanted to be sixteen And free, yeah Oh, leave me, yeah Oh, leave me, yeah Oh, leave me, yeah I wonder, oh, leave me, yeah I'm influenced, I'm influenced by, uh... Oh, leave me, yeah Oh, leave me, yeah Oh, leave me, yeah Oh, leave me, yeah Oh, leave me, yeah Oh, leave me, yeah I wonder... I'm influenced by, uh... I'm influenced by, uh... People, uh, you know, people like Syd Barrett I was a big Syd Barrett I liked Pink Floyd Yeah It was the first... It was the first, you know, music, you know, that gave me a mental movement, you know It was like, it was a tradition that every, every... it was like a weekend thing A lot of us, a lot of, you know, through Monday through Friday, yeah, you didn't... You had to, to try to maintain all your responsibilities, but then come that Friday, you, you, I and, and probably three or four of my friends would always get together and we'd take LSD and we'd listen to Pink Floyd That was just like the big tradition that actually lasted for a really long time, and so, so that was what we did, you know And we got into just sitting and thinking, you know, and letting me, letting the music just, you know, kind of paralyze your body and just sitting there and just thinking about, you know You know, you know, I mean, you didn't have to move your body at all because all the movement was going on behind your eyes and, and that was enough to, to, to, you know, exhaust you at the end of the evening as much as what it would be if you, if you were, you know, so, I mean, I just, I liked, I liked the, the music that would, that would move me internally rather, you know, than, than make my body move But it's just a good way to therapeutically bleed yourself, you know, and, and through music, it's like Some, you know, that's, that is a, it's a good way to bring people together, you know It's, I enjoy meeting people who, you know, like last night, you know, I've never been here and people are singing our songs and I was, I was really overwhelmed and, and to just, I mean, you, you, there's like a common bond, you can find You, you can break down, you know, the walls of communication through music and then, and then afterwards it's like I find myself sitting with people who I've never met, I don't know, but yet we're, we're communicating like we have known each other, you know So I was very looking forward to this morning because, um, for our regular listeners, you'll, you'll know that what, what we do is we, um, we go and buy some Coke Zero and some fruit pastels before we start And they've got the, the correct, the correct fruit pastels this week, which are Strawberry and blackcurrant The red, the red packet ones Yeah, it's a red packet and it's strawberry and blackcurrant ones and we've got, I would say about a third of a pack left Which is good going It is, it's not bad for us, it's very good It's lovely, sunny as well today It's lovely, isn't it? Sunday morning, it's, it's the day that, what happened to the baby Jesus today, it's Easter Uh, he came back alive Did he come back, did he come back or go away? Yeah, yeah I get confused, he came back and gave us chocolate eggs Yeah, that's it, yeah, yeah Is that what happened? That's what I did, yeah, yeah My kids From water Yeah I always remember my kids getting really confused about Easter Yeah, you know, in the kind of, what, what happened to Easter? It was all about chocolate Um, and what, what we have got is, um, you've, you've still got quite a lot of your can left Uh, mine went, mine went in seconds I do, yeah, you were, were you hungover? Are you? Yeah, straight down the Coke Zero But, um, yeah Uh, you should check out our blog on Riffology.co Yep Uh, and also the accompanying socials that are all called Riffology.co Yeah, we're everywhere, just find it, find us on Riffology We do, we do quizzes, we do, uh, I guess the album where we mess up an album cover And polls and albums that were released that day All from, like, generations we care about So, yeah, for, I guess, Gen, I don't know what I am Gen X, and millennials, you're a millennial I don't know what I am You're a millennial, I'm Gen X And then, but we also, we also go back to, like, the 70s and stuff as well And some, some stuff a little bit newer But mostly from, like, I would guess the 80s and 90s That's kind of where we are I've been obsessed lately with the, you know, Britpop in the 90s Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I wasn't, I wasn't a big fan of that No But, there was, like, an alternative Brit rock thing Where he had, like, Gun and you had The Almighty and you had Skunk and Nancy And you had, um, Bush Yeah You know, you had all these, there were tons and tons of these kind of great, um, 90s British Yeah Band And I've been obsessed Yeah, yeah, yeah, you've fallen down that hole Properly obsessed with that lately Have you bought vinyl? Um, I've got some already But I haven't got There's a couple that I would really, really like from that era, I think Like, Soul Destruction from The Almighty, I would really like I've got a few, like, Little, I love Little Angels Um, I've got some of them already Some, they smell different I know it sounds weird The originals You know, the ones back from, like, the, like, the, right from, like, 90 or 90 Yeah, yeah, yeah They've got a different smell to them Than modern vinyl And they're flop, they're floppier Yeah, yeah, yeah Like, modern ones are all rigid and, oh, I'm all really strong I mean, you get, like, Fragile Like, um, I've got, uh, some of the, like, the, and these are kind of back from way, way back But they, my originals of, like, um, uh, the thrash albums from, like, Slayers Raining Blood and Seasons and that stuff And, um, and Rust in Peace And, um, what did they, oh, Among the Living is what I was one I found the other day Yeah, yeah, yeah In a box, in the loft Nice But they're floppy Yeah, right, right Do you know what I mean? They've got a cardboard-y smell to them Yeah And when you take them out, they're, like, a little bit, you know, they bend a little bit Do you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah It's weird, and they're not, like, modern ones are, like, just dead flat Bridges Yeah, billiard ball flat And they're, like, oh, I'm dead good And, um, the old ones are a little bit less Anyway, I never had this You wouldn't have had I think this would have been on cassette for most people Yeah 90, no, 92 I don't know, 92 CD CD, yeah Yeah I wouldn't have had Put a full-price $13.99 CD Yeah, I wouldn't I'd have, I'd have had This would have been on a C90 It's 50 minutes long Yeah Blind Metal Yeah So How's that in your, because you don't like long albums, do you? It's alright That borderline Yeah, borderline 50 minutes is, 50 minutes is fine Yeah It's alright, if I like it, I'm alright with it Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah See, I'm like, if it's not an hour, it's, you know Per song There's no point listening to it You like, you like songs that are, like, an hour long Um, yeah, I know, I liked it This, this was a record that I think I Yeah, I just really liked this one Yeah, yeah Like, just from the beginning I know, it's, there's just something about it The, it's like, just so easy to listen to You know, there's some albums that you think, well, you know There are bits to it that you like And bits that you perhaps don't like And, or, you know, don't make sense to you quite, initially This was one that was just It was, I found this, like, effortless I could, like, focus on it I could put my headphones on Yeah Close my eyes and just absolutely Just dive in there Yeah, and it, but I was doing nothing but listen to The music, right Yeah, yeah, so you were lost You kind of get lost in the sound Yeah, but then I could also I had it on in the background I was, uh, uh, debugging some code this week I said, debugging some code this week I, I hastily wrote something in, in 2019 That's still, it's used every day Um, and everyone complains about how crappy it is And I've never bothered to change it And, um, my mate, one of my mate Chris Another Chris at work said, um, could you just fix that? And so, anyway, so I was doing that And I had this one in the background And so I was kind of, like, phasing in and out Yeah, yeah, yeah So, like, the point I was really focused on what I was doing I kind of wasn't really aware of what I didn't, I, I don't know whether this is I don't know whether this is normal or not But, like, it, like, a bomb could go off And I wouldn't notice Yeah, yeah, yeah I get so, like, it's like, um, I don't know It feels, it feels like you're going into, like, a black hole Yeah Do you know what I mean? And I can almost feel it happening, like, like, bit by bit by bit Where I just become less and less and less aware of the world around me Yeah And then, and then you'll kind of solve the thing or finish the thing And then you kind of come back out of it Yeah, no, that makes sense, yeah, yeah And I had this album on in the background while it was, while I was doing that And it was, like, some albums you can't do that with No You lose your place Yeah And I, and I'm like, oh, I have to go back and, like, skip back three or four tracks To get back to where I was, where I last remember This one, I just left it on repeat And I was, like, zoning in to what I was doing And then I would come back out and then be aware of the music And think, oh, I really like this bit Do you know what I mean? And it was, it was like that It was such an easy album to kind of just, just have on in the background Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah But you can also really focus on it Zoned in on it as well Yeah, it's a, yeah, it's a great You can see why it was, you can see why it's, uh, long lived Yes Do you know what I mean? It's, um But also, it was another one of those records Kind of like that Temple of the Dog story Yeah Where they recorded it, they put it out Didn't really do anything Yeah Then, then Pearl Jam and the Soundgarden happened Yeah Then Temple of the Dog got reissued And then all of a sudden Temple of the Dog was massive Yeah Not necessarily the same supergroup story with this one Um, but it was one that was, it, it kind of, like, hit, it found, it found its place A year after it came out Yeah, for me this was all about Soundgarden Mm-hmm So, when Soundgarden got successful Yeah They dragged all their mates out on tour with them Yeah, okay Yeah, yeah, yeah And then they were, um, in magazine articles, they were mentioning their friends Yeah, yeah, do you know what I mean? Sort of bringing everyone with them Yeah, they then dragged, I think they dragged everybody else to the Pacific Northwest, right? Right, yeah, yeah, yeah So, they, they were, the world didn't care, the world were dealing with, I don't know, whatever else was happening in, in 1990, right? They were dealing with, it was probably still kind of glam and stuff that was in there Yeah, that was starting to, to peter off a little Yeah They weren't looking at Seattle, they weren't looking at what was happening here I think Soundgarden Yeah Did that whole, hey, we're, we're over here doing this, this thing over here And then I think that, you know, people go, oh, that's interesting What else is, and then you had the Temple of the Dog, and then you had Alice in Change Yeah, yeah, yeah You know what I mean? This thing happened And then Nirvana steamrolled it in Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah And then, and then Nirvana came through at, what, 92, slightly later But they, but, um, yeah And I think that's what did it for, for, for loads of these bands Temple of the Dog, Alice in Change, Dinosaur Jr., all of that stuff They just, they came on the back of Soundgarden Being just big enough Yeah For the world to go, oh What's going on there? I like that Do you know what I mean? Because I think Find me some more of that, yeah Well, it was the end of the, the 80s was a decade of excess, wasn't it? Yeah It was, everyone had 9-11s and stripy shirts But it was, I mean, it was, it was this, this, um, it reminds me, when I think back to the 80s It reminds me hugely of, um, like, Only Fools and Horses and Del Boy And then, like, poking in front of yuppies and, you know, mobile, everyone had mobile phones Yeah And, yeah It was a time of, like, fondue parties and, you know what I mean? Everything was about, um, that, I don't know, that, uh, it was kind of like Thatcherite Britain, wasn't it? Yeah It was this, um, I don't know, just making money Yeah Do you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah And being, being successful and all of that stuff Yeah, yeah, yeah But it was a time of excess, it was, people would gloat, I mean, people were gloating about how much money they had And how, you know, and then you had, I think everyone had kind of fed up with it Yeah At the end of the 80s, it's like, you know, I mean, keep your, keep your suspenders and your stripy shirts and your whatever else Um, and then you had this happening in Seattle, which was genuine and authentic and, you know what I mean? You, like, kids in flannel shirts are just, just doing their thing They weren't, they weren't trying to be megastars They just liked, you know, just chilling out and making music and stuff Yeah, yeah, yeah And I, my gut, this is the way I think about the world anyway But that's kind of what you had, you had the hair metal in the 80s, this kind of big brash Yeah You know, you had like, I remember my mum watching shows like, bloody Dallas and, do you know what I mean? Yeah All these things, weren't they, that were, that was the culture Yeah, yeah And then by the time you got here Yeah It was, the world's just, I've had enough of that now Yeah, yeah Because things only last so long, don't they? Yeah, totally We've all got short attention spans Yeah But that, I think that's where it came from Yeah, yeah, that makes, makes huge sense Where the huge, but it sold massively, eventually, uh, 4 million copies worldwide Yeah, yeah, yeah But like you said, just did not sell, initially No Like it wasn't a, um, yeah, it was, it was like a slower, um, uh, a slower build than perhaps people expected it to, um, yeah, did, did very well And I think off the back of No Rain, I don't think it did, it was only, only when No Rain, The single for No Rain was, uh, was released, it suddenly, um, like suddenly, absolutely just went Yeah, went crazy Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah And they were, they were everywhere and on everything, weren't they? I mean, a lot of these interviews that were slotting in, it's, it's some of the, it's been hard to get interviews this week, because they're either, because they've, obviously he died, you know, quite, quite, quite soon after all this happened, 95, I think it was, maybe? Uh, yeah, um, yeah, it was, um, Shannon Hoon, and it's like, all, all of the, it's, it's always really hard to slot interviews in that are recorded at the time when they're kids, because they're in the middle of it Yeah, like a lot of the best interviews that we've found Yeah Are them sort of reminiscing Oh, yeah And, and sort of telling the stories and all that sort of stuff, but of course, when a lot of these, you know, interviews were, were, um, recorded, they were sort of in the story, um, so you sort of don't get so much of the context or the sort of reverence to, to what happened No, you don't Commentary I think in one of the interviews that you, you found, you've got Shannon talking about, um, uh, you know, being in clinics for, you know, for like recovery clinics and stuff. Um, yeah And I think it's, it's, it's interesting, isn't it? In, like in, um, but heroin was, heroin was a big problem in the eighties for the, for the glam bands, right? So they, they struggled with, with it. Um, and it, and it's interesting to me that it kind of just carried on. Um, as it moved to, yeah, to Seattle, exactly the same, yeah, exactly the same, uh, uh, problems there. And, and, um, like you said, Shannon, uh, Shannon Hoon died of a, of a heroin overdose, uh, in October, October, October 95. Um, but yeah, it's, it's interesting, isn't it? Like you said that, uh, you know, they, they, they kind of appeared to come from nowhere and then disappear overnight. So if you're not, if you were not, you're not watching. They just look like a band that came and went, yeah, a couple of records and then, and then disappeared. So, um, but yeah, like you say, a lot of the best interviews are when, when these people look back at things, they, they tell you, um, and I'll tell you who's been doing a really good job with this. There's a, um, uh, someone on X, he's on, he's got a YouTube channel. It's called the hair metal guru. Um, and I, I listened to a lot of his stuff when we were prepping for the hair metal via Viva, the Los Angeles stuff. And, um, he's been going to get a bunch of, uh, people from those hair bands and then have them on the show talking about what they're doing now, but about that time and about some of the things that happened. And, um, it's, I just, for me, it's phenomenal. They're filling in all these gaps about, you know, uh, the way bands were being dropped from record labels and the, the infighting between the various bands and the love between various bands as well. So like, what, why was this happening and why, and they were explaining that, oh, well, you know, these two guys got on really well. So, you know, that just naturally happened. They were just in the studio. So we did a, like a, we did something together. There was the, this, I think as a fan of the music, you kind of felt that somebody was controlling all of this. Do you know what I mean? Like, like the record labels were, were in control and it wasn't, it was just these people who knew each other and were just like, yeah, let's go and do this. And then the record labels just capitalize on the back of that. Right. Um, and yeah, I don't know. I, I, there is something really nice about listening to people with that maturity now, you know, looking back on that, those days about, you know, what they did right. Toby Jepson of Little Angels, he's been doing this a lot lately going back and, uh, he's, I, I bought a set of CDs from him, oh, about a month ago. And it's kind of re-imagined work from Little Angels that he's re, redone. Yeah. But also there's this like, um, audio book really about the history of the band. Yeah. And I've been, I listened to that and it's phenomenal him talking about them going from being kids to being picked up by a record label here in the UK and then being bussed around. So they're a band, they're on a record label and they're being bussed from like, you know, Working Man's Club to, you know, to, to Lars playing and stuff. And he was saying, we thought that we, we, we thought we were like the Beatles. Yeah. It was the best and biggest thing ever for us. And, um, it's just lovely listening to people. I love listening to people. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, I'd love to get, I'd love to get Toby Jepsen on the show. There we go then. He's one of my favourite humans. I really like him. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I remember seeing them, you know, I was, I was shooting a band. I was shooting, not shooting, I was with my camera. Um, I can't even remember who it was, who was headlining, but I'd gone to see the headliner. Yeah. And I'd not even, well, I'd skimmed support acting. There was a band called the Wayward Sons and never heard of them. Um, and anyway, I'll go in there and I'll, typically we'll get there early. So in I go, get there early. I like the place is half full. Um, and then Toby Jepsen walks out and it was, it was his new band. Yeah. The Wayward Sons. And it was just, I just like, it's Toby Jepsen. So excited. Isn't it funny? Yeah. Yeah. Tell you how else did that at Gunn? I saw Gunn in Nuneaton. Yeah. In Nuneaton. Yeah. And that blew me away a little bit. They were one of my favourite bands. And I was just like, I can't believe Gunn are in Nuneaton. Isn't that mega? We've got to get him on, haven't we? That's it. Come on, Toby. Come on. We've not really done interviews in that, have we? But we need to, you know, um, I think we need to probably get on that. Yeah. Be good. Fix that. But, uh, to be frankly, just too disorganised. I was, I have to be honest. I was very disorganised this week. Yeah. You've been at a conference, haven't you? I have. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's good. It's, uh, yeah. And actually, cause I had the, um, I was listening to the record and, uh, other newer, you said about the other Blind Melon albums. Yeah. They kept sort of seeping in. Like I was on some sort of shuffle thing. Yeah. As I was listening to it and they kept playing all, they're God, they had some really good stuff. They did. I have to be honest. I was, you know, it was good. It was really excellent music really. So they did, they did Blind Melon in 92. Then they did Soup in 95. Yeah. Yeah. Then they did Nico in 96, which was after. Yeah. So Nico was a collection of demos and B-sides and rarities and kind of studio sessions and that sort of thing. I think it was like, it was what, what they were working on to maybe get onto album three or that they had kind of in, in the, you know, cause you always end up with stuff when you're doing band stuff is you always end up with stuff that's doesn't quite make the cut, doesn't quite make the records. Yeah. You're not quite happy with it. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Do you know who's been talking about that this week is Ginger Wild Heart. So the new Wild Hearts record's really good. If you like the Wild Hearts, that is mega. I'd love to go into it. The Wild Hearts, another British band that was just mega in the 90s. Anyway, he's been talking about that. They've got a new album done. Yeah. So literally just got the new album out and he's like, yeah, we've laid 11. Got another one. Pretty much got 11 tracks down. I think when he's on it, he's on it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But he's, he's. Billy Corgan's the same. Yeah, yeah. Very similar. His 500 songs. Yeah, you put his, here's another 20 million songs. Yeah. I wanted to, I'm going to show, I'm going to show, I'm sharing my iPad with you, look. Oh, yes. Yeah. I want to share this with you. So. Oh, is this the list of ones you'd like to do? So when you go into like Spotify, Apple Music or whatever, and you pick a band, you can go into similar artists and it's all AI driven. It's kind of driven from, it's machine learning, but it's, it's driven from what other people listen to. So if you listen to this, the Bly Mellon record, and then you go and listen to something else, it's like, oh, you know, that's, that's what people listen to. But I'm just going to read you some names. So does this have the Bly Mellon? This is Bly Mellon. So these are other artists that people that listen to Bly Mellon also listen to. And I just think it's really interesting. So you've got Pearl Jam. Yeah. Alice in Chains. Yeah. The Black Crows. Okay. So yeah. Well, all those have been mentioned, haven't they? Stone Temple Pilots. Yeah. Sound Garden. Jane's Addiction. Okay. Now we've not talked enough about Jane's Addiction, but I love Jane's Addiction. I think they're fantastic. Mad Season. Okay. Nirvana, Smashing Pumpkins, Sublime, Temple of the Dog, Temple of the Dog, The Beastie Boys, which I think is interesting. But again, around that time. That era, isn't it? Yeah. Mother Love Bone, obviously fits with that whole kind of Seattle thing. Unified Theory, Red Hot Chili Peppers, ACDC. I think they're in everyone's. Yeah, yeah. No matter which band you pick, ACDC are there. Notorious B.I.G. Yeah. Similar era, isn't it? I don't know any of. No, no. But it's that sort of time. Tragically Hip. And then the last two are Guns N' Roses and Screaming Trees. Screaming Trees. So I think it's interesting that. Yeah. That is interesting. And a lot of those bands we've spoken about today as well. We have. I feel the need. I feel like our blog's not encompassing this appropriately. And I feel the need to go and rethink how we do the blogs and do like a similar artist. Okay. Yeah, right. So if you like Blind Melon, you will probably like these guys. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Or just bands that are similar. We don't do that particularly well in the blogs at the minute. So I feel the need to go and solve that particular problem. Do you know, you know, you talked at the right at the beginning about Shannon singing on Guns N' Roses albums. Yeah. First, the first single from that was Don't Cry. Yes. Yeah. I forgot about that. I added it to my notes. Yeah. Yeah. He sang on that, didn't he? He did, yeah. Yeah. I always find that weird. Yeah. Where people are just like, you find them on albums doing stuff. Yeah. Which you wouldn't, you just would never have expected. One of the best ones for that is Sia, you know, the singer did that, did like great pop songs recently. Yeah. Like Titanium. Is it Titanium and songs like that? Like huge. Yeah. Huge kind of pop artist. And if you, if you just search for her, she's been on so much stuff, like so much stuff, you know, like 07 back in the day and all sorts of things. I like that. I have to be honest. I do like that a lot. I like, I like all that kind of stuff. Shall we do some facts? Facts. We've already talked about most of the facts, but I'm going to go through the blog and I'm going to give you some facts. So it was released on 22nd, September, 1992. It's called Bly Mellon. Bly Mellon by Bly Mellon. Oh, what we haven't spoken about is the, the B, the girl, the B girl. Oh, let me come on to that. I'll include it. I'll include it in the facts. The genre, genre-o-meter, it's alternative rock and folk rock. Folk. Yeah. It's quite folky sounding, isn't it? The bit that I really like is it's called neo-psychedelia. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't, I have no idea what that means. Any of it. Runtime, 50 minutes, tracks, 13, recorded on Capitol Records, recorded at London Bridge Studio in Seattle by Rick Parrishaw, who we've talked to as a bit of a genius for this, this whole kind of, um, uh, space, this scene, I guess, um, formed in L.A. in 1990. In L.A.? That's the Guns N' Roses. Of course, yeah. So they're in L.A., so they're in L.A. band that went to soak up the Seattle stuff. Okay, right. Which is like, lots of the, lots of the L.A. bands were from L.A. Yeah. So if you were, if you were in a hair band. Yeah. And you were from Michigan. Yeah. You moved to L.A. You moved to L.A. Yeah, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And the same is true here. I think these guys realised that they, this is not, this is not, they, they just didn't fit in that, in that scene. So they thought, oh, I know, we'll go up to Seattle where we don't fit either. Yeah, so their first demo was called the Good Foot Workshop, which I think is, which I really, really like. They were signed by Capital Records in 1991. They were given $400,000. That's a lot of money. It's a lot. You don't, that doesn't happen anymore, does it? No, you don't see that, no. Might get a tenner. I don't think anyone gets given money anymore. I think you kind of have to go and take the thing you've written and then take it to the record company and then they're like, okay, well, you know what I mean, maybe we'll give you some money for the next one or whatever. I don't think people are getting given tons of money to go and do, the albums don't, it's like the record companies don't care about albums, no one cares about albums anymore. No. Really. No, it's not really a thing, is it? It's a bit, it's a bit sad. It is sad. Proper sad. The band was Shannon Hoon, lead vocals, acoustic guitar, nearly got it, percussion, Roger Stevens, lead guitar and backing vocals, Christopher Thorne, rhythm guitar, slide guitar, mandolin and backing vocals, Brad Smith, bass, backing vocals and flute. And Glenn Graham on drums. Also just the conga, apparently. Conga. Well, when you go to a family party. Let's all do the conga. Yeah, across the floor. Yeah. That was an 80s thing. That really was, wasn't it? Yeah. Yeah. When you, I don't know, your wife swapping parties or whatever you did in the 80s. There was a, there was a lovely fess hole this week. Yeah. Where someone said that their parents used to go and visit other couples like every month and they used to swap, swap houses. Yeah. And then he's convinced that they were wife swapping. So now he's trying to figure it out. Like that. Some things are better, better left unknown. Yes. Is what I would say. Yeah. Yeah. And if you're concerned that your parents might have been wife swappers, don't ask. Go and do something else instead. Don't, you don't need to know. That's a great Black Mirror episode. Isn't it back? Yeah. There's another, another season. I'm not watching it. I do. And I enjoy them. When you talk about that, park that, because there's a ton, there's a ton of, of, of TV things I want to talk about. Yeah. Vaguely musically related, but we'll come on to them. Yeah. Sorry. I'm interrupting you. Interrupting your facts. I'll lose, I'll lose my thread. I'm not careful. The name Blind Mellon, do you know where it comes from? Nope. It comes from Smith's Farms. Father, and a Cheech and Chong character that poked fun at blues legend, Blind Lemon Jefferson. Right. Okay. It's a book called Blind Mellon, which I liked. I just, I don't know. There was just always something about Blind Mellon that you can't, you knew that they were a little bit reverent and a bit funny, just from the, from the name. Well, the B-Girl. Yeah. Okay. So the album cover is of drummer Glenn Graham's sister. Is it really? Dressed as a bee for a school play. Yeah. And they thought it was awesome. So they chose to use it. The bit that I absolutely loved about this was that she was then later in the No Rain video. Oh yeah. And became this kind of symbol for outsiders. It became the symbol of not fitting in. Yeah, the B-Girl. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's this like, you know, it's because the whole band felt they didn't fit in. And they were just like, the B-Girl was this symbol of, you know, it's okay not to fit in. Yeah. And I absolutely loved that. Cover was designed by Tommy Steele, which I just thought was, I don't know, just thought it was excellent. Really, really cool. Yeah, yeah. Recorded in London Bridge Studio in Seattle, we've already talked about. It was recorded in late 91 and they worked through the early part of 92. It had already done 10 and Facelift and a bunch of others. So it was properly, properly famous studio. At the time, lots of vintage gear as well in there as well. It was kind of cutting edge, but they had a lot of old school gear. The vibe stuff, yeah. I think it's where the sound was coming from. Yeah. From them as well. That would explain the 70s thing, wouldn't it? Yeah, I think so. It's got, there is definitely a sound to that studio. Even the stuff that's kind of more compressed. Yeah. It's still got that, yeah, nice sound. And when we're talking to Dave about building the studio, we should just go and get the same stuff. Yeah. Just as a mental note. Yeah. Again, the band would clash quite often over arrangements and tempos and stuff, but essentially jammed. Yeah. So the stories about the recording is that they would jam for hours and hours and hours. And then they'd get a take, they'd capture it. Yeah. And then they'd be like, yeah, we like that. That's kind of okay. The other really interesting thing is that their vocals were recorded in the same, the same as the rest of the band and recorded at the same time. Yeah, yeah. So there's, there's tons and tons of bleed, um, through that. So I think that's really, but again, I think it would have been difficult to record, difficult to engineer, difficult to produce. Um, you know. There's a lot of flanger on the vocals, which is strange. Yeah. I wonder if that's why. Yeah. I wonder if they're trying to mask the bleed. Yeah. I guess where, where, I guess where you position things and how tightly you mark them, but drummers always play too loudly. So you've got, everything's got, everything's going to have drums in it. Yeah. Yeah. It doesn't matter what you play, it's going to have drums in it if you're in the same room. Um, commercial performance, it did really well. So, um, it, it landed in 92, um, didn't hit immediately. It took until, um, uh, Blind Rain, or No Rain. So it took until No Rain, uh, single. Yeah. And then that just catapulted. So, like, not massively, not like Temple of the Dog, which was years. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This was like, you know, a month or so, but, um, eventually going, uh, four times, Platinum sold four million worldwide, two and a half million in the US, um, which was, I mean, for mega albums back then, not like enormously big, like you, you, you saw from others. But a properly crowded field then in 92. So, um, we've already talked about Rage Against the Machine. Yeah. Record, Vulgar Display of Power from Pantera, uh, Dream Theater were out. It's a big rock thing. It's a different vibe. Black Sabbath, the dehumanizer, um, you had, uh, what's, I'm getting in here as well. You also would have had around that time. So 10 was 91, Temple of the Dog was 91. Alice in Chains, um, uh, did Sappy P in 92. Dinosaur Junior was 93. And there was a lot of stuff. You had Soundgarden as well. Um, there was just a lot of big, good music that was, yeah, big albums that were slamming down. So if you went to the record shop, Blind Melon wouldn't be, do you know what I mean? You, you would have to know what you were looking for. Yeah. If that makes sense. Um, so I think it did incredible to, to sell that, that, um, that number of tracks, that number of, uh, of, of copies, um, the big singles and the big, the, like the meanings behind some of them, like, uh, tones of home. It's just about feeling out of place and misunderstood, which makes sense massively. If you think about it, they, you know, they're, uh, an LA band doesn't fit, not really part of the scene there. We go to Seattle, don't fit, not really part of the scene there, make your friends. And so that was just, um, them kind of writing about not, not fitting in. No rain is about depression. Um, and, and really just, it's, um, Shannon, uh, writing about like longing for acceptance and stuff. Yeah. Um, which again, I think is really interesting. Yeah. It's a common theme there, isn't it? Yeah. Um, and then I wonder is about, uh, that is kind of questioning your own choices. How, how in control are you and stuff, which I think is, is, is really quite cool. Um, the band in general always talk about this collaborative effort for writing. So not like, you know, like some of the albums we talk about. It's kind of a song and everyone, everyone learns it. Yeah. Absolutely. Everyone playing together and working it out. This was, this was very much, uh, uh, all together touring. Uh, you, you already mentioned this, but, uh, they, they went out and toured with like some, just some bands that you just wouldn't necessarily have thought that they would fit with. So they were out on tour with Soundgarden and Neil Young. They played at Woodstock in 94. Um, they toured with Lenny Kravitz. I love Lenny Kravitz. Lenny Kravitz has to be the coolest man on the planet. Yeah, I think that's true. Even, have you seen him today? He's, he appears in my, uh, Instagram sometimes. Yeah, yeah. And he's, he's just like the coolest, healthiest man ever. It's just like, I don't know. He's, he's not, he's not human. I don't think Lenny Kravitz. Um, they shared, uh, they, they went on tour with Pearl Jam, uh, Guns N' Roses, Stone Temple Pilots. Um, again, just massive. Back then that's kind of, you know, you had MTV, you did, you did your MTV, you did your singles, you did your, you know, the videos went out on MTV. You would have done your interviews with magazines. Yeah, yeah. Um, and then, but then you'd have been on the road. Yeah. Um, yeah. Which I think is really interesting. Um, influences. Oh, this is interesting. You know, earlier I told you I got confused. Um, so between No Rain and I thought, I, I thought I've heard this on a TV show and I can't think where from. Yes. And I found the original BBC Top Gear series. Yeah. Which has got a track called, um, I forget the name of the track, but it's by the Allman Brothers. Yeah. For that original thing. And, and, and I thought it was the same. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, yeah. Anyway, the band lists the Allman Brothers as influences. Which is that melodic guitar stuff, isn't it? It does. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's kind of what it was for me. I kind of thought, oh, I've got that. And anyway, Led Zeppelin, the Allman Brothers, Grateful Dead, um, which I think is really interesting. Influences, um, Counting Crows. Yeah. The Black Crows. Yeah. Government Mule. Yeah. Kind of all makes sense where you would have got that from. Um, 1992. We'll talk a little bit about what happened in 92. Um, you had Bill Clinton. Yeah. Who, who was famous for getting oral sex. I don't know. What else was he famous? What else did he do? That's it, I think. Is that it? Yeah. Great. Um, it's the first year that Compact Disc overtook cassettes. Ah, okay. Yeah. Um, it was the year of the Freddie Mercury tribute concert, which is, again, interesting. Um, uh, movies. Some of my favourite movies, actually. Reservoir Dogs and Wayne's World. Right. Came out in 92. I love Reservoir Dogs. Yeah. Dark. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was theatre. It was theatre on a screen. It was. It was, it was a bit scary. Yeah. I thought that was. Um, uh, so yeah. Um, so some five things you might not have known about this album. Talked about it already, but the B-Girl is real. Um, so that was Georgia Graham. Um, Shannon Hoon sang backing vocals for Don't Cry and a bunch of other tracks on Use Your Illusion. Um, the band's name comes from a Cheech and Chong skit, which we've already talked about. Uh, Change was written before the band formed. So Brad Smith wrote Change years earlier. It became a signature song. Um, and the band recorded in Seattle, but lived in North Carolina. Right. Interesting, isn't it? Yeah. It's been used in, uh, so there's tons of their stuff has been used on media and TV. Um, so No Rain has been used like everywhere, literally everywhere. If you, if you, if you've seen a TV program, it's probably got No Rain in it. Um, uh, Tones of Home was in Guitar Hero, um, which was good. Uh, Reviews, um, it was kind of all right. Yeah. Reviews weren't like gushing, not like 10. No. Where everyone was like wetting themselves over how awesome it was. Um, lots of them were calling it Derivative, uh, you know. Copy and paste Seattle scene or whatever else, but which it just wasn't. It's just a bit bonkers, I think. Lazy. Lazy journalism. Yeah. The journalists just copy and paste. Rubbish. Um, and the band, obviously the band kind of came to an end. So the band officially disbanded in 99. Yeah. Um, uh, Shannon's death was October in 95. They released Nico. Yeah. Uh, after, after he died. Um, I don't think there've been any remasters or reissues. No. Of Blind Melon, which is a good thing. Yeah. It means that the version that you listen to is the version that they recorded and wasn't faffed around with by somebody with a MacBook. And I like that a lot. Um, and that's it. Facts over. That's all my facts done. Very good. A lot of facts for, for the Blind Melon. Yeah. What we're doing next then? Oh my God. Shall I put a song on and we can discuss? Oh, I don't know. Yeah. What do you think they would say? If I stood up and I walked away. Nobody here really understands me. And so I wait for by, I'm fine. I'm fine. Don't fall. Said that I'd like the way I'm living. Towns of home. Towns of home. It's all my head. Goodbye. I'm flying. I'm flying home. And I always thought this would be. You'll see the land of milk and honey. But I've come to find out that it's all hate and money. There's a canopy of three holding me. Towns of home. Towns of home. Towns of home. Towns of home. Towns of home. Towns of home. Towns of home. Towns of home. Towns of home. Towns of home. Towns of home. Towns of home. Towns of home. Towns of home. I'm flying. I'm flying. It's your way, I'm flying, I'm flying, I'm flying, I'm flying, oh See, I'm so high to you, but they'll fade away, hey When I said you're on, you're on Remember daddy said, what your sister said Your brother's saying, we're saying everybody They're saying everybody They're saying I, I, I, I gotta go Get any moves, get any moves, I'm on, get any moves, I'm on, get any moves, I'm on, get any moves, I'm on, get a bit, it's all I'm saying All my friends patronize me And they say, oh hey boy, have you found what you're looking for, it seems they don't really know me Cause it's here, and it's what they can't see Tones of home Said you don't like the way I'm living Tones of home, tones of home So I'll bring them goodbye And I'm flying And I'm flying And I'm flying Oh I have a phobia of anything that doesn't die in the microwave after five seconds. There you go. Uh, this is the poem, God's Presence, that's at the end of the sunk car seats, from my, um, great-great-grandmother's ledger That, uh, she wrote it in February, February 11th, 1884 And, um, it gave me a little hope that I had a little, a little sense in my family Because my immediate family is kind of like hee-haw So, I found this and I realized that maybe I do kind of, you know, give it a little bit of a shit about my family heritage So, uh, yeah, there's something that, um You know, I, I was, I was telling, I was telling you earlier I thought that this screwed up your, your, doing this for a living screwed up your sleep But doesn't compare it to things No, kids They don't care You know, you're, I went on, I, I, we, we went on tour so that I could catch up on my sleep And that doesn't sound... Yeah, I mean, it affects, it affects every aspect of your life I, you know, obviously I'm new at this And, um, it's hard to be a parent and a child at the same time So, I'm just trying to do, to mesh it together and make it work, you know And I think it's helped me, uh, believe it or not, grow up a little bit I don't think we'll ever grow up, will we? Well, I wasn't ready to start No, I think it's a trap growing up, isn't it? Yeah, yeah Do you think? Yeah, yeah, that's why we do this, isn't it? It's like, yeah, it's just getting out and doing everything else, isn't it? You know, I've got to go and do an emergency podcast Do you think? No, it totally is, yeah, yeah, without a doubt That's how I think about the world anyway Yep, with fruit pastels and Coke Zero It's good, and we're glad you joined us Yes, we are glad Actually, lots of you are joining us now, which is lovely, isn't it? It's quite scary, it gets quite scary, actually Yeah Because, like, I, when we do this Yeah, we forget Genuinely, I've got, I just totally You know when you go off on a random, like, whatever And I'm like, oh god, someone's going to listen to that It's when you, it's on the Monday Yeah, yeah And I kind of think, oh, people are actually listening People are listening to what we say And then you think, what did I say? Yeah, yeah, did I say anything bad? Yeah, so thank you for listening to us It's great, we enjoy having you with us Thank you I'm talking about that, while we're going off-piste a little bit Yeah I wanted to talk about, before we talk about the next album I want to talk about TV Yeah, okay, you didn't say that earlier Yeah, yeah, yeah And there's two things that I wanted to talk about One, I went to see the Minecraft movie with my youngest Oh god And it was a good laugh, actually Oh, was it alright? Yeah, it was good fun, lots of fun Lots of teenage boys shouting chicken jockey Yeah A lot Yeah Which was funny the first 12 times Yeah And then it's like, it's not, just not funny anymore Stop being, stop being, like, I don't know how old they were, 15 Stop being 15 Anyway, that was good laugh But there was, they played, right at the end of that It's got Jason Momoa in it Yeah They played Skid Row I remember you Oh really, right And I was like, yes, Skid Row It was brilliant So that I liked a lot But I've been obsessed with SAS Rogue Heroes this week Right, okay What is that? Oh god, I just, it's, it's amazing It's about the history It's about where the SAS as a regiment came from in World War II But it's funny, it's funny It's, like, it's made me laugh It's made me question things It made me cry It's just incredible It's such a great Yeah, I don't know It's just, it's like, obviously from a different time But it just, it just makes you, like, realise how fortunate we are But also what they went through in this Yeah, yeah How they dealt with it and how they coped with it But it makes a lot, not a history lesson or Yeah It's a drama It's stories, yeah, yeah Yeah, it's stories about them and about the people And, yeah, just absolutely phenomenal But the music in it is just epic Right It's got, like, Black Sabbath and AC/DC Yeah Oh god, I'm trying to think what else was in there Like, the Misfits it had It's got all kinds of, like, punky, the jam Yeah It's got all kinds of, like, kind of punky and rocky stuff in there Yeah, yeah, yeah You know, when all hell breaks loose It's kind of, it's always AC/DC Like, when they're going in, they're on, like, trucks and things And it's always AC/DC playing when they're doing that But, yeah, it's brilliant If you like that kind of thing, it's well worth it Yeah, yeah, yeah S.A.S. Rogue Heroes S.A.S. Rogue Heroes S.A.S. Rogue Heroes is just, oh, just brilliant Yeah, yeah, yeah Absolutely brilliant It's, like I said, it's the only thing on TV for ages that had me, like, praying for a bit of quiet time in the day So you could get on it That I can go and watch it Right, okay, yeah, yeah And it's, like, I mean, genuinely, maybe I laughed out loud at it and I cried at it It's unbelievable Really, really good Totally recommended And that was it That was my Very good That was my bit And, so, albums Yeah There's a couple that I would like to do Yeah, okay And are we gonna, are we gonna jump over the pond now? Are we gonna come back to Britain? I think so Well Because we've spent some time in Seattle, haven't we? Yeah Which is good Yeah And it was nice But I think we probably should And I, that whole decade in the UK Yeah Like, you know, you had, you had these bands, like, you had the Prodigy and you had Skunk Anansi and you had the Almighty and you had Thunder Yeah, yeah, yeah Bush Yeah Bush are an American band really, but they were bigger in the US, like, like Def Leppard Yeah, yeah, yeah They were bigger in the US than they were here I don't think of Bush as being a British band, I think of it being an American band Anyway, there's tons and tons of these, these bands, like Gun Yeah And I thought we should cover some of those for a bit Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Let's go and do, like, an alternative Britpop Yeah Right, so there's, I might maybe do, like, four or five of these albums So I guess we've got to choose one to start with Yeah And that's kind of where I was a little bit, my brain exploded So what are the choices? Well, the, let me go through some of my absolute favourites So there's Gun Yeah You had, like, Swagger was their big one Yeah That was, like, the mega one with, with Word Up and stuff on there Yeah The album before it, Gallus, was better Yeah That was a song, you know, we talk about this with Bon Jovi Yes There's, like, that was, there was a songwriting album before that, which I think was better Yeah, yeah, yeah You had, like, The Almighty They did an album called Soul Destruction Right, right Which is phenomenal What else could we do? We could do Earth Versus the Wild Hearts Yeah Which I still, like, that old fuck, isn't it? Yeah, yeah Those two were the two that absolutely blew me away We could do Bush Yeah What else could we do from that time? We've done The Prodigy already Yeah We've done Stoosh Yeah Already Everything Must Go might be good The Mannix Yeah, Mannix That's, they're definitely in that Yeah, yeah, yeah Kind of, in that stuff Feeder Yes Are in there as well Yeah, yeah Polythene, yeah Polythene was the one, yeah Yeah That was, that was mega And then you got, like, over the pond Oh, sorry, yeah, in Ireland you got Therapy Yeah, yeah Yeah So, they did, yeah, Trouble Gum Why don't we do that first? What, Trouble Gum? Do you, yeah Yeah Therapy I'm a, I'm a big fan of the therapy Because, yeah I remember you were messaging about that the other week I think that would be a good one Yeah I think that would be a good one But then I think what, what I'll probably do is I'll, I'll, I'll, because I want, I've got a half written blog on, like, the, do you know what I mean, these albums that were, like, hidden under Britpop Yes Yeah Do you know what I mean, everyone talks about Britpop, because, and the thing is it's not got a name No Like, not Britpop, I need to come up with a name Yeah Not Britpop And they call, people call it Britrock Yeah, it's not the thing And I think that's awful I don't like that No It's not Britrock No It was, it needs to, needs to know the name Yeah But there was, there was this underbelly, this kind of raucous underbelly of albums and a music scene in the UK that never really got a name It wasn't, you know, it, but it was that, and there was some phenomenal records that got made Yeah, yeah Three Colours Red as well Sorry? Three Colours Red Yeah, Three Colours Red, another one Yeah But there's some, honestly, there, there, as, once we start to dig into this, you'll realise that there's, or remember Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah There are so many, like, amazing albums that just got a bit overshadowed by And I wanna, I wanna say that, you know, the, the, the era that you're talking about now, I was more into this stuff than I was The big American stuff Yeah, yeah, yeah I think these albums got a bit overshadowed by, like, Oasis and Blur and Pulp and all of the kind of big, like, what was Britpop Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Because it got a name, it got a name and everything Yeah, totally, yeah But, but, Oasis were my gateway into this, which is interesting Ah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah So they were the band that I, I, I like the big guitar sound and all that, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah And then, and then through that I found all this other stuff as well, so, yeah Because I think that there was like, yeah, there was definitely a bit of a scene in the UK Yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah But you had, like, Thunder Yeah, yeah, yeah You had Backstreet Symphony Yeah, yeah And Little Angels Yeah You were doing there, but there was a few of these bands that were kind of just flirting with Yeah The pop charts Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah I mean, like Skunkinancy did as well, and, you know, there's a few, a few of these bands were a little bit harder and didn't Yeah But, yeah, I mean, Therapy ended up in the charts They, they, they kind of chatted a little bit as well You know, The Wild Hearts Yeah They were quite often in the, in the charts as well Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah So they were, they were just kind of, these bands were kind of flirting in and around Yeah, yeah, yeah The, the, the pop charts But I think they've been, they're a little bit overshadowed by what was happening in the Yeah In the US And I bet a lot of our US listeners, because we, the show's roughly 50/50 now Yeah, okay Which never used to be, it used to be, well, it used to just be us Yeah And like, three of our mates Yeah But it's about 50/50 looking at the stats With US and UK Yeah, yeah Now I, I reckon a lot of our US listeners probably won't have heard of Right, okay, so it's going to be a journey in education as well Well, yeah, maybe, I mean, I don't know, the people that tend to listen to our show are pretty Yeah, they know their stuff Yeah, they're pretty good at their stuff Yeah But I think, I think that there'll be stuff here that people probably, or have forgotten about Yes That's what happened with me Yeah, yeah, yeah It was, I went back and listened to, it was when we did Skunk and Nancy, when we did Stoosh Yeah I just kind of went down this, oh God, you know, and all of a sudden All of a sudden that kind of All of a sudden the stuff opens up Yeah, the, I remembered like, I remembered going to see the Almighty and the Wild Hearts And, you know, what else was happening at the time And, you know, I remember buying Backstreet Symphony, Wolf Spain Yeah, yeah, yeah Another one from Tamworth Yeah Just down the road from us Tons of these, these bands that were, you know, that were just phenomenal Um But not many of them, like the ones that broke the States Yeah You know, like the Def Leppard Yeah, yeah, yeah, Bush Yeah, I was going to say Bush Yeah But there were a bunch that just didn't No, no But there were still, I thought, Phenomenal, Gunn Gunn should have been the biggest band on the world I think they're amazing Amazing Their album last year, I forgot, Hombrez I think it was called Um I think that was one of the best albums of last year Yeah, yeah, yeah It's absolutely brilliant And they're such a good, such a good band So, but yeah, let's work our way through Yeah, yeah, yeah Like the underbelly of Brit Rock Bosh! Not Brit Rock Love you, bye Love you, bye