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RIFF044 - Pearl Jam - Ten

14 April 2025 ·73 min ·Season 2025

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When Eddie mumbled his way to grunge royalty

Hosts: Neil & Chris
Duration: ~73 minutes
Release: 14 April 2025

Episode Description

Pearl Jam's Ten gets dismissed as grunge's commercial cousin, the lush shimmer versus Nirvana's raw nerve, but that misses the point entirely. When this dropped August 1991 absolutely nobody cared, grunge wasn't a scene yet just Seattle bands making noise, but then the world caught up and Ten became a blueprint by accident. Recorded in four weeks at London Bridge Studios with Rick Parashar producing, the original lineup (Eddie Vedder vocals, Mike McCready lead guitar, Stone Gossard rhythm, Jeff Ament bass, Dave Krusen drums who left post-recording for rehab when his girlfriend had a child) created something that sounds effortless but wasn't. Chris and Neil unpack the curious timeline where Temple of the Dog came first Eddie's actual first recording "Hunger Strike" then Ten released to crickets then Nirvana exploded then suddenly by end of 92 this was number two on the charts selling 13 times platinum just riding the wave nobody predicted.

The production remains fascinating, Neil calls it "lush" versus the dry punky sound they'd develop later on Verses and Vitalogy, Chris points out it's very reverb-heavy very wet sounding almost stadium rock polished like Mutt Lang territory nothing sharp or dissonant. They recorded on a Neve 8048 console in a room with high ceilings and hardwood floors you can hear that space, then Tim Palmer mastered it at Ridge Farm Studios in Surrey England (cue Birmingham accent jokes "Surrey" equals "sorry") and apparently Palmer contributed massively to the album's final tone. The Redux remix by Brendan O'Brien years later stripped that wetness made it punchier drier more modern Pearl Jam, Neil respects the craft but insists leave it alone this was summer 91 Seattle captured in time no grunge scene yet just grief over Andrew Wood uncertainty about what comes next let those decisions stand.

What You'll Hear:

Opening banter nobody knows Eddie Vedder's lyrics singing in car self-conscious Final Destination joke if you learn the words Eddie murders you "Darth Vedder," drummers don't count controversy Lindsay strongly disagrees, podcast tagline "what are we going to get wrong this week" brilliant game
Timeline madness Ten released August 91 sold nothing until grunge exploded 92 then became monster, Nirvana Nevermind same year suddenly Seattle matters, Pearl Jam actually bigger than Nirvana initially before Kurt died changed everything made Kurt the face, Chris explaining Soundgarden first to majors uncomfortable with commercial pressure Rolling Stone all mates touring together 92
Production deep dive London Bridge Studios epicenter of grunge Rick Parashar also did Temple of the Dog Alice in Chains Facelift Blind Melon, four weeks recording March 91 not particularly well funded, Neve 8048 console high ceilings hardwood floors that lovely lush sound, Tim Palmer in Surrey mastered it massively shaped final tone, Redux remix debate Neil prefers original moment in time Chris admits Redux sounds good punchier but unnecessary
Track discussions "Porch" sounds like actual Pearl Jam versus rest of album more commercial, "Alive" curse lifted when audiences changed meaning celebrating not mourning Eddie's dad revelation story age 13, "Jeremy" harmonics too much reverb lovely, "Even Flow" Guitar Hero plastic guitar memories, "Oceans" perfect closer, "Release" nine minutes long shaves album down if normal length, longest track debate cassette TDK C90 dilemmas
Mookie Blaylock original band name basketball player number 10 on his shirt hence album title, critical praise everybody gushed no negative reviews then later albums critics saying why not doing anything new versus Metallica critics saying why doing something different can't win, singles "Even Flow" "Alive" "Jeremy" massive "Oceans" didn't chart, influences Led Zeppelin The Who Neil Young not Seattle punk scene surprisingly
Next episode preview Blind Melon confirmed then British 90s heavy rock scene Little Angels Young Gods Thunder Gun The Almighty Wild Hearts Therapy Terrorvision Manic Street Preachers nostalgic meander Neil's Ireland listening discovering incredible songwriting, debate about staying Seattle doing Kyuss Queens of the Stone Age Songs for the Deaf stoner sludge desert sessions, maybe 60s 70s British prog Emerson Lake Palmer early Genesis Hypnosis documentary Storm Thorgerson album art, death metal scene US versus Sweden different sounds studios producers

Featured Tracks & Analysis:

"Alive" gets the deep dive, Eddie explaining the curse story being told shocking truths age 13 dad's dead but I'm still alive dealing with it, then audiences years later singing celebrating "I'm still alive" lifting the curse changing the meaning incredible live moment. "Jeremy" with those opening harmonics probably too much reverb but that's the lush production Neil loves now versus hating it young wanting everything raw crunched oversaturated Smashing Pumpkins style, maturity means appreciating a bit of chorus. "Porch" Neil identifies as actual Pearl Jam sound snarling beast growing into itself versus rest of album more commercial shimmer, "Oceans" closing beautiful pulls you in hard to switch off knowing another amazing song coming songwriting phenomenal but feels effortless not agonized like Def Leppard Mutt Lang perfection. "Even Flow" Guitar Hero memories learning plastic guitar. The album never feels long despite 53 minutes because "Release" at nine minutes inflates it, most tracks three to five minutes acceptable length one side of TDK 90 cassette perfectly then what do you put on the other side maybe Temple of the Dog bang-in C90 handwritten track list nostalgia.

Tangential Gold:

Fruit Pastels drama Sainsbury's didn't sell cans only bottles then couldn't find red and black ones had to get normal ones asked staff "have you got any red and black ones" crisis averted, Coca-Cola sponsorship dreams mostly jewelry brands saying "we feel your aura" demanding £500 to send product Chris has an aura "key aura" adverts loved
Cassette tape archaeology Metallica handwritten demo sent to Metal Blade enshrined Hard Rock Cafe LA thousands of fakes on eBay people copying handwriting trying to sell, TDK C90 logistics 53-minute album won't fit C60 so C90 means 37 minutes blank space what do you do record your own version? Six-CD multi-changer Sony spinning waking up every disc change crunching noise Jeff Buckley Grace this Melancholy both CDs August and Everything After Performance and Cocktails or Recovering Satellites correction
Irish music playlist drama work 50th anniversary subsidiary created Spotify playlist "greatest Irish bands across generations" Neil shared someone asked "what would you have put on it then" oh no challenge accepted Gary Moore where is he Thin Lizzy statue Phil Lynott downstairs Dublin Cranberries where Therapy Irish didn't know that disappointment not anger just disappointed
Seattle weather identical to UK 10 degrees Celsius flying London always same temperature rain feels same bohemian retro like Bristol Norwich Sunday empty streets "swaddling-cocked" sleepy laid back, Pacific Northwest liberal chilled bit like 70s retire there lake house Redmond, grunge product of environment middle finger to heavily produced power metal like hair metal response to prog rock
Gordon Whamsey meme sent Chris took two days to respond Neil lost his mind "best meme ever what's wrong with you this is the thing" if you can't find that immediately funny something wrong, World Wide Web publicly available August 91 Neil had stuff published 92 just maths scientists students nothing there then steadily to memes mathematical proofs to Gordon Whamsey civilization's journey

Why This Matters:

Ten captures the exact moment before grunge became a Thing, nobody cared about Seattle in summer 91 hair metal still ruled then Nevermind dropped September everything shifted and this album retroactively became iconic by riding the wave. The timeline matters, Temple of the Dog recorded 15 days April 91 released shelved then Ten recorded March-April released August then Pearl Jam exploded making Temple a supergroup retrospectively millions of sales, Eddie Vedder's first ever recorded vocal was "Hunger Strike" auditioning for Mother Love Bone guys' new band just hanging around studio then Chris Cornell telepathically heard him do the low register nobody knew they were documenting history. The production debate matters too, this lush wet reverb-heavy sound feels commercial almost betraying grunge's anti-commercial ethos but that's the point they weren't grunge yet just making music grief therapy post-Andrew Wood uncertainty no pressure no expectations cathartic then the world caught up. Neil's insistence on leaving it alone respecting the moment in time versus Redux improvements speaks to authenticity, these were the decisions they made then in that room with that gear those emotions preserve it don't retrospectively "fix" it even if Redux sounds objectively better punchier drier.

The critical consistency across 12 studio albums matters, post-No Code Pearl Jam found their sound spiky punky short consistent no filler every album slams through then done no encore energy just finished now, but pre-No Code they were finding themselves creatively and Ten sits at the beginning of that journey sounding nothing like later Pearl Jam which is fascinating. Chris pointing out R.E.M. and Pearl Jam as the two bands with zero filler across entire catalogs, very few bands achieve that. The influence claims Led Zeppelin The Who Neil Young not Seattle punk scene surprised them expected Melvins Duff McKagan references but no this was classic rock DNA fed through Seattle isolation, grunge as response to Sunset Strip hair metal antithesis no styling no bathing radically different culture in Seattle framed music nobody cared internationally known bands touring didn't exist anymore Seattle Kansas Nebraska driving living studio apartments starting bands punk scene prior but this wasn't that. Understanding this album means understanding it wasn't designed to be iconic it just happened to be in the right place when the world shifted beneath it, accidental masterpiece preserved in lush reverb-soaked amber forever Eddie mumbling lyrics nobody understands singing along in cars hoping nobody sees you knowing the words means Final Destination Darth Vedder comes for you.

Perfect for: TDK C90 cassette nostalgics, grunge timeline cartographers, Eddie Vedder mumble interpreters, lush production appreciators, Redux debate participants, Temple of the Dog prerequisite completers, Seattle scene anthropologists, Guitar Hero plastic guitar veterans, Darth Vedder survivors, fruit pastels crisis managers, Gordon Whamsey meme scholars, Surrey pronunciation experts, Neve 8048 console enthusiasts, accidental masterpiece believers, reading glasses subconscious trigger recognizers, World Wide Web mathematical proof historians, Irish music playlist correctors, Pacific Northwest weather comparers, drummers-don't-count controversy monitors, aura-feeling jewelry brand skeptics, podcast tagline philosophers

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Speaker0:00 there we go you see i i do you know i love eddie vedder's kind of i um i sing to this album in the car a lot do you no idea what he's singing no no idea what i don't know what the lyrics mean don't know what the words mean yeah all that all that yeah all that yeah screaming along and and and you get really self-conscious if anyone sees you singing away in the car because you think oh what if they know the words to this no one knows the words i don't think is it the opposite of bon jovi yes it is if you yeah it's one of those things where i think if you ever find out what the words to any of these pearl jam songs actually are eddie vedder comes and kills you that's the way it works you get edited it's like final destination do you know what i mean yeah yeah yeah vedder yeah he just turns up darth vedder like he just turns up like like i don't know like three o'clock in the morning and just looks at you and you you know and then he just murders you you know the words now that's it yeah yeah just murders you on the spot so this is you know what because we've done uh a pearl jam album in this podcasty format already yeah we have we did vitology didn't we did yeah yeah yeah and that's a punkier affair that was like later on in the album number two three three three verses yeah yeah so um someone corrects on that we did we got very well yeah you've got i've got a bone to be somebody um um yeah i think it was last week when we think it was kendall kendall said that you um you suggested that uh pearl jam had not had a line of change and they've had quite a few drummers lots of drummers and then you said drummers don't count so this is part of the part of the joy of this podcast can i say that lindsay strongly disagreed with that strongly disagree with with you saying drummers don't count did she yeah strongly disagree she just said strong disagree she did that's on a survey that's like one end of the survey isn't it i don't i don't i don't know strongly agree strongly i just think you are in trouble i think the next time the next time you are a gig in lenses there you are in trouble this is part of the game for me though like what like it's what are we going to get wrong this week and i quite like that what a tagline yeah that's just epic isn't it yeah just tell us what we get wrong it's a brilliant what are they going to screw up this week that is bloody brilliant so there can't be many podcasts that that's their um no no no that's a usp is that we might get some stuff wrong and that you you might have to correct us on some stuff yeah i do i quite like that to be fair but um um uh we so last week we did temple of the dog so it's worth saying we're riffology oh riffology that's us yeah i'm i'm neil you're chris um we don't really know what we're doing we turn up we can't we've got we're like um the beauty is lots of people don't know what they're doing with us so it's great we're on a journey together learning together everyone's listening everyone's putting us right we're on a journey of education in collaboration we we we turn up uh we're i was gonna say a little bit like puppies do you know what i mean that yeah the enthusiasm no idea what we're doing really but we turn up anyway um every week we pick an album like an iconic album or an album that we think is pretty epic and we we just turn up and we um we learn about it yeah we remember the songs we play bits of the songs we play interviews uh of the making of it people that were involved in it and we remind ourselves a little bit about what it was that was special about it and what else was happening in the world you know what i mean what what kind of stuff happened after what led up to it yeah we always have free pastels we do i've got the wrong it's been a bit of a drama today because we normally have cans of coke we do yeah and i went to i went to the little sainsbury's next they don't sell that in my house don't sell that um they i could buy eight cans but i only want to so i had to get bottles yeah from the free but so that was a bit of a drama and then i went to the sweetie aisle yeah and then um they didn't diet coke or coke zero mainly coke zero actually yeah you're a coke zero yeah and then and then the thing is the fruit pastels we normally get the red and black i couldn't find them no i even asked some i said have you got any red and black ones what so i had to get the normal ones yeah so it's a bit of a drama so if you want to send us some uh round trees and uh coca-cola oh my god could you imagine that do you know people have lots of people have reached out to us about sponsorship have they yes yeah that's good i i'm not convinced they're real they're mostly jewelry brands telling us that they feel our aura wow our aura matches their own yeah yeah yeah and if we give them like 500 pounds oh i see right send us some yeah we'll get some for 500 pounds yeah yeah i don't want i don't i i don't know i had an aura did you do you have an aura i think i have yeah what's your aura key aura key aura i loved that key aura adverts um anyway shall we talk about 10 10 is a great album this is an album that i had on cd and i had the real one on cd i didn't burn it this was 1991 i didn't have it in 1991 now the problem with this is you could not have burnt this in 1991 there was no such thing as the cdr in 1991 do you know what you would have had in 1991 you'd have had a tdk c90 yeah yeah yeah yeah and you'd have had this someone's one actually this is a long album this is yeah it's got 53 minutes wow right so you might have if you were clever what you might have that's the wrong side of 45 minutes for you isn't it yeah you might have got a c60 yes and half half each side as long as it didn't cut halfway through a track that would have been a bit of a drama for me and i had to go and get the c90 um which would have upset me because then i'd have had like an uneven balance on the side well then i've got like 53 minutes i've got 50 60 70 18 i've got 40 minutes yeah yeah yeah yeah of space and what am i going to do with that yeah do you start it again what do you do what do you do i don't know i mean you could put your favorite bits on the end yeah you could put another album on the end you could record your own version of the song you could you could have using in a whatever um i don't know what you would do with that one but you would have had that on cassette i would have had that on you accept i was later so i came to it in 96 97 when i was right where you did have line wire and the cdrs yes and the viruses that went along with it yeah yeah yeah but at the time uh no i had i bought that properly on cd because i loved it that much uh yeah i i think this one for me would definitely have been a tdk c90 yeah in the car i would have had a six cd multi-changer uh on the sony thing that spun around that was a bit fancy well i'd have it on going around while i was asleep and then every time the disc changer went and crunched and i'd wake up and it'd wake me up because it'd be noisy and then it'd relax again and then go back to sleep again um and it would have probably been jeff buckley it would have been grace it would have been this yeah it would have been both cds from melancholy that's for what else would have been in there august and everything after and possibly performance of cocktails that would have been what would be covering satellites oh no actually you're right yeah recovering satellites sorry because i yeah that's interesting i've been listening to counting crowds a lot this week yeah they've got some new stuff haven't they they have but that's not i i started to listen back to um i heard somebody talking about uh the recording the production on august and everything after being it was listed it was an article i read about like the 20 best albums for audio files yeah okay and i read and i just thought these are all crap and then you know what i mean the counting crows was there and i thought oh yeah for august was yeah oh wow okay and all they've done is just looked at the dino they've literally gone onto a database and gone show me all the ones with high dynamic range as in like quiet bits and loudy bits yeah right and you're like i could do that it does that i suppose doesn't it just go quiet and loud yeah yeah and but anyway i went back and listened to that and i thought oh guys this really it is a great record and then and then i kind of worked my way through to some of their newer stuff and they've got a new album um a new album working through as well yeah yeah but yeah it kind of reminded me that when we when we did recovering the satellites um i don't know just kind of how different those um and and yeah yeah it applies a little bit to pearl jam too because like august and everything after went to recovering the satellites it was a radical change yeah in in production and in yeah um i was thinking seasons i've got a thing about music and albums and seasons and august and everything after is like early or it's autumn yeah yeah yeah and recovering the satellites is like the dead of winter yeah yeah yeah it's um yes it's a dark much darker record i think but the the same is true here like 10 for me from pearl jam feels i was going to say produced but it doesn't it but it sounds commercial it's very commercial it was the use of chorus the use of those kind of shimmery modulation effects yeah lots of very very posh reverbs at the time um and that kind of really it was very lush i always thought it sounded really lush tended this this particular version of it obviously there was a version later yes that um is it brendan o'brien remixed yeah yeah and that's a rocky that's a rocky affair was that the redux yes yeah yeah no i actually really enjoyed that i thought you know as a general rule we don't like those things do we no i i'm not i i'm with you i i thought that was very very good didn't screw that up so that was nice and you said big you know big fat rock sound on that yeah this was a bit as you say it's kind of pop in a way you know it's a yeah it's a it there's no there's nothing unpleasant on this album at all there's no like sharp edges there's no dissonance to it at all it's all um reminds me of what you'd get from mutt lang yes you know i mean it's this kind of um like stadium rock do you know what i mean it's there's no sharp edges nothing that's going to upset you no nothing's going to wake you up if you fall asleep do you know what i mean there's nothing there that's gonna until the next cd comes on yeah um but then when they went to verses and vitalogy yeah that tone change and it just gets yeah you get that it's um drier sharper this is this is a very wet sounding album that sounds really really weird it's reverby reverby yeah it's a wet sounding album whereas the other two were really quite bone dry weren't they it is there are hints of where they were going on here as well because you've got porch which i really like on here so a lot of this album to me doesn't sound like pearl jam i love it but it does you know what i mean it's not it doesn't sound like pearl jam um where porch for me is where that's that's pearl jam that's what they sound or that's where they you know when i think of pearl jam that's what they sound like yeah if that makes sense and it's they kind of um i just kind of grew into this like snarling beast what the fuck is this world running to you didn't leave a message at least i could have learned your voice one last time daily mind till this could be my time by you would you hate me would you hate me all the bills roll by and these details are taken off by the metal there ain't gonna be any metal anymore and the cross i'm bearing home it didn't take until both my place left the boards left the boards oh bear my name take a good look this could be the day before my death walk beside me i just need you to stay guitar solo I hear my name, take a good look This could be the day, hold my hand Like beside me, I just need you to stay What would I say, I just want to dance I know and I would not have turned you Hold you, feel you, am I home? Yeah, yeah, yeah It's nice to meet other musicians and we spent two days in Germany with Bad Religion and I'm trying to think of some of the other bands that we like. It's nice to meet other musicians and we spent two days in Germany with Bad Religion and I'm trying to think of some of the other bands that we like. It feels like family too. You know, you can relate because you're going through the same things and you understand each other and it's nice. That to me, that's like part of the family whether it's underground, overground, out of ground. It doesn't matter because you can do the same thing you've always done and all of a sudden you won't be underground anymore. So it has nothing to do with you. So that's why you can't judge it. That's why you can't even pay any attention to it. I mean I certainly don't and I would hope a listener doesn't either. It's a very strange thing. I mean you don't do anything different. You write the same songs, you're still talking even about the same songs, those same songs can all of a sudden cross over and now all of a sudden everybody looks at you differently. Nothing's changed. So you really can't listen to again the talk, listen to music, listen to the, look at the paintings when you talk about a painter. Don't talk about like the hype or the art or the scene. It doesn't matter. So it can be a good thing where more people can hear music that they should be hearing, you know, that expresses themselves, that is art that they relate to, that is art that has aggression. Produced by the same producer, a guy called Rick Parashar, who did Temple of the Dog. Okay. So they'd already built that relationship through that period with him. But he also did. And then he also came on and did this. Wow. He did Facelift, Blind Melon. Blind Melon are great. They are great, aren't they? A band I've been listening to this week is Therapy. It's just mega, isn't it? Yeah. Isn't it? It's funny how albums just hit you and you just think, I'll probably not listen to that for 20 years. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And somebody said that, I'm going to go off on a little bit of a tangent. It's not like us to do this. It was the 50th anniversary of Where I Work. Oh, wow. This week or last, this week, I think. Anyway, it was the 50th anniversary. And our Irish subsidiary did a playlist on Spotify. Right. Of all of the greatest Irish bands across all the generations. Okay. Yeah, yeah. And then someone shared it and says, you like music. So they shared it with me. And do you know what wasn't there? Anything. It was just full of rubber, just junk. And I'm like, what is this? And then the lady that put it together said, well, what would you have put on it then? Oh, really? Oh, no. I was like going, I shall provide you a list of great Irish musicians. Thank you very much. And then went on to deliver a whole bunch of stuff that Gary Moore wasn't even on it. Wow. How can you not have Gary Moore on your thing? It's Gary Moore Irish. Yeah. I didn't know this. And then you didn't have, like, there's a bloody statue of Feline Art in the downstairs of Dublin. And how can you not? No thinlissing? No. Cranberries? But the thing that hit me was, Therapy are Irish as well. Are they Irish? I didn't know that either. I don't know. I don't know anything, really. You don't. You're useless. Why do you? Why am I doing this podcast? Why are you here? But yeah, no. Anyway, that's a mild, a mild wander off the beaten path for us. But yeah, it didn't, it didn't upset me. I was just disappointed. You know, when you think, how can you not know? I wasn't angry. I was just disappointed. And they put U2 in it. Did they? Yeah. Is it good U2 though? No. Oh. Because I've got some good ones. Yeah. The old stuff was all right before they went mad. Do you know what I mean? It was before the ego got bigger than the studio they were in. And then, and then I didn't like that. Where the Streets Have No Name. Great song. I didn't like it when they put their album in my iTunes. Yes. Oh yeah, no, that's, that's a bit presumptuous, isn't it? Didn't like that. Yeah. Didn't like that. I don't, you don't do that, do you? No. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. You don't, you don't just, you don't just like come in someone's ears like that, do you? What without asking first? Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can't, it's just, it's just downright rude. Hard drive consent. That's what it is. It's just rude, I think. It's just unpleasant. Anyway, we were talking about Rick Parashar's production. I hadn't realised, it's him and his brother, and the studio is, and I've got it on my list here, it's a studio called London Bridge. Wow. In Seattle, and it was like an epicentre of the grunge scene. Yeah, yeah. There's like tons and tons of stuff. And it's called London Bridge, that's a cool name, isn't it? It is, isn't it? Yeah. Tons of stuff was there, and then there was a bit of finishing that was done in Ridge Farm in Surrey, apparently, but the vast majority was done in London Bridge. But I hadn't realised that Temple of the Dog and Ten were done. You know, we talked last week about how the Temple of the Dog and Ten, they weren't that far apart. They got released only about four months or so apart. There was a whole bunch of kind of, you know, like Chris Cornell and Soundgarden, and then he came off tour, and then Eddie Vedder was coming up there, and then what was Mother Love Bone? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then these musicians just kind of looking for stuff to do, because they've all got like bands that have just, you know, have stopped recording for whatever reason, and then end up in various studios. And then you've got Temple of the Dog, and then you've got Ten. But it was interesting, I think it was interesting, the tone. Because you can kind of hear, it's a very, it's a similar, well, it's a similar tone, I think, but it's, you can kind of hear, I think, the, like the flavour of where Pearl Jam would become from Temple of, Temple of the Dog's like a different album. Yes. But I can hear where that's going. Yeah, yeah, totally. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think one of the things I remember from when we were talking about Temple of the Dog is it was like, it was like a jam with lyrics. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what it felt like, and whereas what you've got coming through here, and also what Chris Cornell was doing with Soundgarden, is that then the song craft came. I think, yeah, I think there's more time to, I think there was just much more time to caress this. I think Temple of the Dog was like, in the studio, bing bang bosh. Yeah. Your man there twiddled some knobs and then banged it out, right? Yeah, yeah. It was great. And then down the pub, right? I think that was kind of where they are. I think this, they kind of realised, actually, this is a bit. Yeah, we got it. It feels like with this album, they've got something to say. We basically made the record, I guess it was three or four months after becoming a band, so I think it's a very raw and very young sounding record, which is exactly where we were at that time. I think that's kind of how this band wants to operate, but letting some of the rough edges show and just being honest with where we're at musically. Well, we're playing these songs live, you know, every night, and they're definitely even being taken to a different space, but even as far as like the new stuff that we're writing and mind you, I'm incredibly proud of that record. This band pretty much looks to the future, pretty much at all times, at least. It seems to be growing by leaps and bounds. Yeah, exactly. And they've got some songs, they've got some stories. It wasn't well-funded. Really? Yeah. That surprises me. It wasn't particularly well-funded. So they, it was funded, I think it was Epic, I'm checking my notes. Yeah. Yeah, it was Epic that funded it, a month, four weeks in the studio. Yeah. Yeah. So you're actually in the, in the studio itself. Sort of top to tail, writing, tracking, that kind of thing. I think they'd written it. Yeah. I think it was mostly written. Right. And then, and then they'd kind of just gone in there, but four weeks isn't a long time to go and bang out an album. I mean, well, not, not this one. No. Well, it's a long record as well. There's like, there's a, what is it? How many tracks? There's quite a few tracks on it, aren't there? There are 11. Yeah. Well, it's shipped with 11, 53 minutes long, which is too long, but it's, the tracks are not long though. The tracks, I think the tracks are really good. It doesn't feel like a long record to me. It doesn't feel like a long record to me either. It feels like it's kind of over, like, you know, the, the longest, track, although the last track is nine minutes released. But most of them are kind of like three, four, five minutes, which is an acceptable length. So that, that, that, so, so if it was a normal length last song, then you'd be down, you'd shave off, you know, yeah, you'd be down to 45 minutes, which is, which is an, yeah, an acceptable length. Maybe that's why it doesn't feel long. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? One side of a CD90, whatever it is, TDK90. Yeah. That's one side. You'd fit it on one side, wouldn't you? And then you could put something on. You could put Temple of the Dog on the other. Yeah, there you go. You've got a bang in C90 then, haven't you? Yeah. That's a good C90. You've got a bang in C90. You'd have to all handwritten. I love seeing that. You know, when people share pictures and stuff, I love to see the handwritten. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a, you might know this already. In fact, I'm sure our listeners do, but there is a, um, a cassette tape from Metallica with James, or Lars, I think it was, handwrote when they did their thing. And it's the one that got sent to Metal Blade and kind of started to get the sign. And it's in, uh, I want to say it's in, oh God, it's in LA somewhere. It's in one of the, it's in one of the, the, the hard rock things. Enshrined, did it? Yeah, it is. Yeah, it is. And it's the original, the original tape. The thing that I hadn't realised about that, um, was that there's, if you go onto eBay and look for them, there's thousands of them. Right, wow. And people just see the picture of it and then write it themselves and then, and then try and tell it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah, oh yeah, yeah, totally legit, mate. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then, and then try and, try and tell it. So be careful of that if you are looking for it. Um, should we do some minor facts? Let's do some minor facts. Um, so, uh, let me go through and do my thing. So released August 27th, 1991. So it was a summer album. It was, yeah. Album title, 10, original name of the band. Do you know what this, do you know this story? I don't know this story, no. So, uh, initially named Mookie Blaylock. Mookie Blaylock was, and I might get that he was a basketball player. Right. Um, and do you know what the number on his shirt was? Go on, see if you can get it. Yeah. 10. 10, yeah. Right, okay. Um, and they, cause they really liked him. So, um. You're making this up. I'm not. I should do not. This is true. And then, um, yeah. And, and, and then I don't know where Pearl Jam itself came from. No. But that was the original, the original name. Yeah. Um, and then, yeah. And then they, they eventually, they, uh, yeah, they changed, uh, changed their name to Pearl Jam. So, um, I, I'm not sure that they would have been that successful if they'd have, if they'd have remained Mookie Blaylock. No. It's not got the same, it doesn't roll off the tongue quite as well, doesn't it? No. Pearl Jam really, really rolls off the tongue. Yeah. It's cool, isn't it? Yeah. The album artwork designed by Jeff Ament and Lance Mercer. Um, I think it's really interesting, the, the, um, the album art for this one. It's kind of like, like it could be anybody. Yes. You kind of know who it is. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? It is such an iconic cover though, at the same time. It is. It's kind of backlit as well. Yeah. You know, the Pearl Jam bit of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not flat. It's kind of backlit. I, uh, and you can see when they're, like, they're armed. It's like, it's like in front of a, like a billboard or something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, yeah, no, I, I quite like that. I like the, I like the interesting album cover. I think that's really cool. Um. What's your favourite thing about this album? Oh, um, do you know what stands out to me hugely is, uh, do you remember, um, Guitar Hero on the, oh, what was it on? PlayStation 2 probably. I can't remember. No, it wasn't PlayStation 4, but it was Even Flow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it was learning to play Even Flow on the plastic guitar. And I love that. Um, the thing that stands out for me on this record, what do I really like about it? Um, I, it, it, it's, there's just something. There's something about this record that like always has them, just pulls you in. Yeah. So you, I said at the, um, the beginning a little bit that, um, you know, some albums are like headphone albums and some are speaker albums. And this, this one's just an album that just needs to be played slightly louder than you'd probably think it should. Yeah. And you know what I mean? And then, and then it, it like, I find it really difficult to switch it off. It kind of comes in and you know, because you know, there's another amazing song coming like this. The songwriting just is, it's just phenomenal, but it feels effortless. It doesn't feel crap. It's not like a Def Leppard record where you kind of know that they agonized over every bar of that record had Nut Lang kind of going, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That needs to be a key high. That needs to be like a fraction here and a fraction. This feels like organic, but the songwriting feels phenomenal. It just, it's like, I'm going to say authentic. It feels just, um, yeah, it just feels phenomenal. And I love the production on it as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. How about you? Um, it's the, it's the, the thing that I love about it now is the thing I didn't quite like about it when I first heard it because I'd heard like friend, I'd, I'd heard friends cover songs from this before I'd heard the record. Oh, gotcha. If that makes sense. So the way I'd listened to this record was like people playing it really raw with maybe an acoustic guitar and hitting it hard and, and all that sort of stuff. And then when you listen to the song, you said earlier, it's, it's, it's not got very jagged edges. It's quite rounded as a sound. It's quite, um, it's not punky, is it? It doesn't feel raw. No, no, it's really, it's really quite, you know, there's bits like chorus and reverbs and stuff on, on, and it's quite shimmery. It's quite shimmery sounding record. And at the time when I first heard it, I went, Oh, I quite like it raw. I'm not quite sure about all this, all this stuff on it, but actually over time, I think as you get older, you don't mind a bit of chorus. No. I said about this with Dan Baker, who we speak about every now and then. It's an age thing, isn't it? Yeah, yeah. It's a maturity. I used to like everything really crunched and really heavy and really like oversaturated and driven and punchy and now. Smashing pumpkins. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. Um, and jagged and that sort of thing. And, and, and, you know, hearing this now, it's those little, little moments like in Jeremy where you've got that in those little harmonics at the start and there's just a little bit, probably too much reverb on him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I like that. It does. Yeah. It is very reverb-y. It's very, everything's kind of, it's a lovely reverb, but it's a lush sound that I think it's lushness that I really like. Yeah, actually, that's a brilliant way of describing it. I think you described it as wet earlier and I'm preferring, I'm preferring lush to wet, if I'm honest, for, for this album. And I, but you're right. I think there's an energy to it. Yeah. There's a, there's an, there's a, an energy and a drive to probably two thirds of the record, I think, where the tracks are kind of upbeat and, and driven. And then there are some that are just, I don't know, like Jeremy is a brilliant example of that, where it kind of is this, I don't know, it is lush, isn't it? It's kind of, just kind of pulls you in. But there's space. Yeah. There's space. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. There's space between everything. And there's space. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. The people of the world are the earth like butterflies Oh, we don't know, slowly chases them away, yeah He'll begin his life again, life again, life again I'm leaving, looking through the paper though he doesn't know to read Oh, praying, not just something that has never showed him anything Oh, feeling, understands the weather of the winter's on his way Oh, feeling, still and far between all the legal halls the same Yeah Even though he walks around like butterflies Oh, he don't know, so he chases them away, yeah Oh, something, yeah He'll begin his life again Oh, whispering hands Send me, feel him away Yeah, my way Yeah, my way The chorus is one tempo and the verse is another and never shall the twain shall meet What you're in love with and you think, well, it's not quite there yet And then you look back on it and go, it was probably any one of those first five takes were it's fine And wasn't our drummer Dave Kruzan at the time? Not yet I think his girlfriend was in the hospital giving birth, maybe Yeah I was like, no, sorry, man You gotta stay here until this big time Oh, my God Even though he was a hurt like butterflies Even though he was a hurt like butterflies Even though he was a hurt like butterflies Oh, he don't know Even though he was a hurt like butterflies Oh, he don't know He evens the home Cause they're hurt like butterflies Oh, he don't know So he chases them away Oh, I'm slumped in He'll begin his life again Oh, I'm always bringing plans To lead him away Well, my problem was having made a record before I thought Take Two was unbelievable I was kind of just giving it I was going to prove I was just giving everything I had Every take No one told me We'll end up singing this again We've learned our lesson since then I don't think we played anything more than Three takes on the new record You get older and wiser Did you like my editing there? What I did Yeah I just watched Chris edit some of the podcast It feels weird Like watching you edit it while we're doing it Yeah, because normally we do a big long record You do And then we cut it up and put the bits in the place Yeah But tonight I fancied a change Doing it in the mix In the mix Doing it live in the mix We can do it in the mix I was doing facts And then we got distracted Shall I carry on doing some facts? Let's go back to facts So in the band This particular time Yes Was Eddie Vedder on the vocals Mike McCready on lead guitar Stone Gossard, rhythm guitar Jeff Ament on bass guitar Now they're the regulars Yeah Yeah And then Dave Crewson on drums Now Dave left Yeah Just after they recorded Yeah But that doesn't matter Do you know why? No Went into rehab didn't he? Something like that But also his girlfriend had a child That's what the little bit was I just put in Like drawing the record He went into He goes into rehab And I wonder if that's why Because he had a child Wants to kind of go and get clean Yeah yeah yeah And he's a drummer And no one cares I didn't mean that Drummers I didn't mean that I'm only joking I can't believe that I didn't realise I didn't realise there were Multiple drummers in Pearl Jam I thought it was just the same guys I just love the idea Of you in the studio And your band drummer turns up And you're like Who are you? What are you doing? And then it's going That's our drummer Yeah Oh Alright Come in And then you're just like You can constantly go What's your name again? Yeah The whole recording session I'm just Anyway We were talking a little bit About the London Bridge Studios In Seattle Established in 1985 By Rick and Raj Parashar London Bridge Did tons of the Seattle scene Like they went in there So that was almost like The sound city for grunge then Yeah High ceilings and hardwood floors Really? Now You don't need to hear much more than that Yeah To know that's what You know what that room sounds like But just from that High ceiling and hardwood floors Yeah It's the room space Isn't it Tightly mic'd kit And then the The room Yeah Anyway that was really excellent Recorded the album in one month In March 1991 Also did Temple of the Dog Which is pretty excellent I think It was recorded on a Neve 8048 It says Oh beautiful Well it's very Analogy Yeah It's got that lovely sound to it I think as well That's part of the Part of the lush that is actually The lushness Yeah Yeah Interestingly after Dave Leaves So he leaves after the recording Sessions are finished Oh really? But the album's not Mastered and mixed Yeah So it was mastered still in Sorry It was mixed in Seattle Yeah Chris has just taken the top off his coke I did it on the mic Because I thought I can't do it subtly So I might as well just make a bit of a meal of him Yeah so it was mixed in Seattle And then mastered at Ridge Farm Studios in Surrey In Surrey In Surrey In England Surrey Surrey Yeah so for those that are local We're from not far from Birmingham And Surrey Is how people from Birmingham say sorry Surrey Surrey I've never even thought of that What? Yeah there we know Well it's true Yeah No offence to people from Surrey or Birmingham But it's true That's just the way it is Surrey It is isn't it? It is If you look Giza Butler Yeah He would come in right now Aussie Yeah Aussie would come in right now He would knock something off And he'd say Surrey Wouldn't he? He would That's what Aussie sounds like That's why Aussie sounds like that You should do like teaching people accents Because he's from Birmingham Surrey Anyway it was Yeah so it was finished off by Tim Palmer In Surrey And it's really interesting That a lot of the albums Like final tone Is down to Tim Apparently Wow right Rick recorded Rick Parishar did Alice in Chains' Facelift Temple of a Dog Blind Melon It's a good album We should consider doing that one as well And then Ten as well Other interesting facts Do you imagine this did well or not When it was released? I can imagine the singles did well Like the videos But maybe the album didn't sell as much Until let's say a live comes out Or something like that So it was released in August Yeah Ninety-one By the end of ninety-two Ten was number two on the chart So it took a year From release To Doing anything And that's because God that must be disheartening When it was released No one cared about grunge Yeah There wasn't a grunge scene At that point And you have to So I see As like Nirvana And it was bizarre Thinking about it at this time But Pearl Jam were bigger than Nirvana Yes At this point Yeah Do you know what I mean It was only It was only kind of after Kurt Cobain died That Nirvana got this Yeah You know Kurt became the face If you like Of the grunge scene Yeah But yeah Anyway As the grunge scene grew This album grew And then just Just became a monster Yeah Just became absolutely massive Which is I always find fascinating That I'm trying to think of other albums That did this Hysteria Death Leopard's Hysteria It was released and no one cared Yeah And then they went to America Yeah There's a few Where they're just like Nothing Like nothing happened And then And then You know Whatever You know The things happened And it became huge You just assume Don't you That you Yeah You know You release a thing And if it's a great thing Everyone's going to find it Yeah No it doesn't So it takes time Absolutely did not For this one It was multi-platinum In loads of countries Certified 13 times platinum In In the US Which is I mean just Nuts Loads of awards It got an award for Jeremy The music video Great Yeah Which is That's kind of the one That I remember That I remember From this This era Everybody Adored this album The critics Oh really Everybody just Gushed over this album It's really interesting I think if you follow The critics With Pearl Jam They They just keep Harping back Saying well You're not doing Anything new Do you know what I mean If you look at what The same critics Talk about Metallica Yeah Keep saying Why are you doing Something different Yeah Do you know what I mean What's all this about Why are you not doing This I just kind of want Can't win Yeah So anyway The critics As you go on Through Pearl Jam albums The critics I think they've run out Of stuff Do you know what I mean Yeah Other albums released In the same year Nevermind Yeah Bad Motor Finger Yeah Blood Sugar Sex and Magic And Out of Time By R.E.M. I listened to some R.E.M. This week actually R.E.M. are great It's so good They are They're a band They're another band Like Yeah A bit like Queen For me And Metallica There's a few others Where you can play Like a three second clip Of any song in their catalogue And you know exactly who it is Even if you've never heard The album before You know where it's Yeah they've got a thing Yeah there's like A certain thing Where else did I get to here Singles Even Flow Alive Jeremy And Oceans Oceans didn't chart very well Right Didn't do particularly well The big ones Even Flow Alive And Jeremy Yeah Which is Is pretty cool They cite influences As Led Zeppelin The Who And Neil Young Right Okay Yeah Yeah That makes You know what If Yeah If you cross sectioned All of those bands And mushed them all together You'd get Pearl Jam Wouldn't you Yeah I was kind of expecting them To quote stuff more From like the Seattle punk scene You know Duff McKagan Talks about Is it the Melvins Yeah There's a bunch of other stuff From Seattle The punk scene Yes But that I don't think that fed in particularly Yeah Yeah It's Midwest isn't it Seattle Is that right No it's Pacific Northwest Pacific Northwest Right Top Top left Up and left Up and left Okay got it That's how Chris navigates everywhere It's either up or down For north or south And then Right or left isn't it Yeah yeah that's it So up and left Yeah okay Is where they are Yeah They're not far from It's not far from Canada Okay yeah yeah yeah It's like Vancouver and down a bit Yeah okay yeah So if you know where that is Yeah Like straight down a bit Yeah Oh okay Not for 120 miles Yeah yeah yeah Something like a couple of hours Yeah On a bus maybe Yeah yeah yeah Who gets a bus But Anyway there you go Released in 1991 That's when the Gulf War ended The Rodney King Riots So we talked about that Before as well Yep When we did Megadeth Yeah That was in the same year So that those The Rodney King riots Were happening outside A studio while Megadeth Were recording Yeah yeah yeah And then In August The World Wide Web Was made publicly available Incredible No one used it No I was at university And we A few of us were Kind of using it But Nobody knew What you were talking about You had modems And things And it was shocking And nothing was there All that was there Was scientists And students And mathematicians Like I had got stuff Published on the web In 92 Yeah And it was just Some maths And then But that's all it was And then steadily It went from that To memes About I sent you the best meme Gordon Whamsey Gordon Whamsey Doesn't have the best thing ever So basically The world's gone From 1992 Yeah Mathematical proofs Yeah On the web Yeah To Gordon Whamsey 2025 Gordon Whamsey And if you've not seen The Gordon Whamsey You should get on that It's very very excellent I loved that And also I have to say You took like Two days to respond To that And I was like This is the best meme ever Yeah What are you What's wrong with you I lost my mind a bit this week Did you Yeah I did a little bit To not find that Like immediately funny This like I was like There's just something wrong with you Anyway what else Oh and it's all the dissolution Of the Soviet Union In 91 I hadn't realised that It was the same year Because if you remember There was a lot going on wasn't there Do you remember Metallica And a load of rock bands And Skid Row And they went and did Peace in Moscow To like a million and a half Yeah a million and a half kids And none of them knew the music And they were all just going Absolutely mental Yeah I remember this Bon Jovi Yeah This is a little story I like to call The Curse So the original story Being told in the song Is that of a young man Being made aware of some Some shocking truths I know this because I knew the guy Not well But But I knew him I mean the guy was me But I barely knew me then To be honest I was barely there to be known And so he takes all this news Is a curse And fine the dad's dead But I'm still alive And I gotta deal with this So cut to years later And we're playing to larger audiences See a people reacting In their own Positive Interpretation It was really incredible When they sing I'm still alive You know It's like they're celebrating And here's the thing When they changed the meaning Of those words They lifted the curse It's like they're gonna be in the air And they're gonna be in the air And they're gonna be in the air And they're gonna be in the air And they're gonna be in the air And they're gonna be in the air And they're gonna be in the air And they're gonna be in the air And they're gonna be in the air And they're gonna be in the air And they're gonna be in the air So she said Have I got a little story for you What you thought was your daddy Was nothing but her While we were sitting Home alone At 8, 13 The real daddy was dying Sorry you didn't see them But I'm glad we talked I'm still alive I'm still alive I'm still alive Oh, she walked slow Across the young man's room She said I'm ready For you Oh, I can't remember Anything to this very day Except the love Except the love The love Oh, you know where Now I can see See, I just stay I'm still alive Oh, I'm still alive Oh, I'm still alive I'm still alive I'm still alive Yeah, I can't remember Oh, I'm still alive Yeah, I can't remember Oh, I'm still alive Oh, I'm still alive Oh, I'm still alive Is there something wrong She said Of course there is You're still alive She said Oh, I'm still alive Oh, I'm still alive Oh, I'm still alive Is that the question Is that the question And it's so It's so Wind says Wind says I Oh, I'm still alive Yeah, I Oh, I'm still alive Yeah, I Oh, I'm still alive Yeah, I'm still alive Yeah, I'm still alive Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah guitar solo guitar solo guitar solo guitar solo I actually love playing that song That's one of my favourite songs to play I can't play the riff properly Yeah So I just play the chords Yeah But it's a lovely song to sing To drunken mums like that Yeah they do Do they prefer that? Or What else do you play? They're like black As well Some of them like black Yeah When I go and play Brew in Ashby Yeah Which is a good place Yeah You should go there If you're in Ashby If you're in Ashby Yeah Brew is nice Yeah John McKinty Who's a lovely man He's a very big rock fan Oh And he always says Play Pearl Jam Does he? And it's always alive or black So Can't go wrong Can't go wrong with those Can you? No Do you know what I mean? I think that's It's nice that people still like that stuff And I think that it It fits Nicely doesn't it In that Like Because you play acoustic a lot with those Yeah And you've got the right voice for it as well Yeah Well if you ever hear Remember So no one listening will know this person But Mike who does the warhammer painting Yeah I know Mike So Mike who Mike Was Mike the one that passed out singing Singing Sematary Gates Yes Yes Sematary Gates from Pantera Hit the high note black I can't imagine Mike ever doing that He's got a great voice He sounds When he wants to Yeah He sounds just like Eddie Vedder Does he? And he used to sing black when we were at college Yeah And he had big long hair And he used to sing black And that was his thing That he used to sing And everyone loved it So yeah it's great I can't imagine Mike doing Mike is brilliant at painting Little warhammer figures isn't he? Yeah Very detailed Very quiet Yeah Very funny Great sense of humour Yeah good lad Yeah Do you know I was doing my Facts There's a fact I missed And it's that the producer Rick Parashar You got that right Plays piano Organ And percussion Oh wow On quite a few of the tracks I did not know that That's very cool actually isn't it Yeah It is Also It's been used So the track's been used in the media But I was just looking at the various things It's been used on Why Go was used on American Gods in 2017 Yeah Which I think is interesting It's also You know the I like American Gods actually Lindsay recommended a movie called Singles Okay yeah Remember it's kind of set in Seattle Yes And they use breath and state of love and trust on that And then there's a few other things that it's been used on But Not the songs you'd think No No no no no no No that's very very true But I thought they were interesting Yeah Critical reviews Everyone just loves it It's one There is literally no one who says anything bad about it Yeah Yeah And there you go That's it for facts I'm factored out now I did like that Brendan O'Brien remix I know we've alluded to this already But The Redux Yeah the Redux I really did Yeah I thought that was really good I like the sounds they They've got a lot of good choices that they made on doing that It's actually a lot drier It's a lot more like The newer Pearl Jam sound The newer Pearl Jam Yeah It's punchier isn't it Yeah definitely It's punchier I think Yeah No It didn't ruin it It sounds It sounds alright Although I still stand by the fact that for me this is I don't want it to be redone Yeah I kind of I like the idea that this was recorded in Like the summer In Seattle In this studio And that's that moment in time Captured it yeah Yeah like the emotions of them of kind of You know Having lost their friend Not knowing what's going to go on next There's no grunge There isn't a grunge It became a grunge scene But at this point It's they're just There's just nothing Yeah You know I mean the record The record label's like Well you know Sells a bit Let's go Do you know what I mean Let's go and let's go and do some Do some more stuff But this is like People want hair metal Yeah They don't want You know this isn't what people want No And that was like just Kind of forming And that was the Do you know what I mean That's where the band Were Yeah At that point in time And you know And the decisions that they took In the studio at that time With them And I always feel that this Desire to come and Muck about with stuff afterwards Is just Unnecessary Leave it where it was I just think it's unnecessary It doesn't The Redux one It does sound good though I have to be honest It does sound good And I think that's probably it For ten I think so It is I think so Yeah I love it I actually like the They did some MTV and Plug stuff as well Didn't they They did do some I was just looking I was going to ask you some questions Do you know how many albums they've done Oh loads Have they done like 15 Like one million They've done 12 studio albums Guess how many EPs I don't know One Really Yeah 23 live albums And it's worth pointing out That they tour a lot Yeah they're busy They're constantly out on the road One of the things I really loved When I was reading about the history Obviously the The backstory to this Which we talked about last week Was Chris Cornell Soundgarden He Used to Room share With Andrew Wood From Mother Love Bone And he died of heroin overdose And then So Mother Love Bone Then I've got No Singo And then the whole thing Kind of Snowboard into Into Pearl Jam Eventually What I love about it Is in 92 Pearl Jam And Soundgarden Go out on tour Yeah lovely I just really like that I kind of think that They're all quite They all know each other They're all really good mates All from the same area And you just imagine That being so chilled I can imagine Just imagine that Being absolutely epic Yeah yeah yeah But yeah I think that's going to be Really cool You know About 12 albums The last one I bought I think it goes back to When we were young kids In punk rock music Teaching us about certain issues I mean We heard about us In Nashville And 24 I loved that They're very consistent That's the thing I will say It creates I know they have They have these big albums In the 90s Then you find yourself It's interesting Because then you find yourself In a situation Where you can actually Use your music To perhaps To me there's like A Pearl Jam era Which is up to Coda Nowadays lately We've gotten better at it Oh okay No Coda Sorry Up to No Coda And then you've got A post No Coda To me In my mind And everything After No Coda It's a really Really consistent sound You can free innocent men From prison I love all their albums But before that They definitely had like a You know I don't know It's kind of like They were sort of Finding who they were You know Through that creativity There's no filler No no In any Like some albums Some bands are like Oh we need It needs to be longer We need to Go and write a ballad Do you know what I mean And like It just doesn't happen With Pearl Jam No It just starts And slams And then it's them for You know what I mean And then it finishes And it's like No we're done now Do you know what I mean You can imagine They're a band I always imagine There being a band That like doesn't do an encore Do you know what I mean They're like No we're done now Finish now You know what I mean Yeah yeah yeah They do that Slam through the set And then we're done You know what I mean No there's no kind of Yeah we're coming back now Yeah Anyway I just thought I would mention Pearl Jam and R.E.M. They're the two aren't they There's very little filler On any of their stuff I love R.E.M. Live Yeah yeah Where I saw them at I've seen them a couple of times My favourite I saw them at Live 8 And they just kind of came out And said we're Pearl Jam And this is We're R.E.M. And this is what we do And then they just slam straight Into the chat And I just thought That's a cool way To introduce yourself But I thought It's worth talking about Because they're 12 albums And yeah They're just Yeah Yeah All of them are really good And they're a band that Like lots of bands Back then From the 90s Albums that they've released In the last few years Yeah Have not really set me alight Yeah In the same way Dark Matter It's got it It did I think it's brilliant It's got it Such If you've not listened to Modern Pearl Jam And you're still back in the 90s Yeah It's well worth a go They're still doing it They can still do it It's worth a blast Of Dark Matter I think I really want to play Oceans Because I like that one a lot I like Oceans as well That's Yeah And then we'll maybe talk about What we'll do next week What are we doing next week Don't know Let's play Oceans Shall we play this And think about it Yeah Sweet Hold on to the thread The currents will shift Glide me towards you Who knows something's left And we're only allowed To dream of the next Oh, the next time we need Oh, the next time we need Oh, the next time we need You don't have to stay The ocean's away The waves roll in my thoughts Oh, tight the rain Then our sea will rise Please stand by the shore Oh, I will be I will be there once more Oh, I will be there once more Oh, I will be there once more Oh, I will be there once more Oh, I will be there once more Oh, I will be there once more Oh, I will be there once more Oh, I will be there once more Oh, I will be there once more Oh, I will be there once more Oh, I will be there once more You know, at some point I didn't want to do any interviews And didn't, you know, I wanted to protect Kind of the songs and where the songs Were coming from And I didn't care for what people thought of me And I still don't And I probably am a little more concerned With what they think about the music, you know I would want the music to be able to come From like a neutral place And certainly didn't want some kind of, you know, personality That got filtered through the media To be what they thought about when they heard the music When the spotlight was shining, you know, brightest on us What are we doing next then? Oh, we're going to do blind melon Is that, is it on? Is it happening? I think so, why not? Yeah, yeah, yeah I think we can do what we want We've said it twice this podcast So I think it's a sign Well, why not? I mean, we, we, there's no, I mean We can absolutely do what we want, can't we? I think Because you said before I think maybe last week or the week before About, about kind of heading over And looking at some of the British stuff That was going on I'd love to do Yeah, I'd love to do that About this sort of time I've been, I've got like a playlist that I made Like kind of 90s British Yeah, like 90s British stuff Yeah And yeah, I've got honestly There's some of the albums in there I've just, I just think are brilliant Yeah, yeah You know, the, the, like the Almighty Yeah Gun, Little Angels Yeah, yeah Yeah, we've already covered some Already with kind of Skunk and Nancy Yeah, yeah But like the Wild Hearts Yeah, yeah There's tons I think Thunder were in there You know, you've got Def Leppard in there as well We've kind of already covered that I just, I think it'd be really cool To kind of go back and cover that 90s Yeah British rock scene The big British rock scene It was the hard rock Like that kind of British hard rock scene Yeah, yeah, yeah I just think it was just Just phenomenal Yeah, absolutely phenomenal It was kind of just before the Britpop stuff, wasn't it? It was that just sort of Yeah, Britpop was kind of happening Like just a little afterwards Yeah But yeah, you had, because you had like Like Gun were producing big records in 94 and 96 Yeah, yeah Same time as Oasis and Blur Okay, yeah, so there was that crossover Yes, absolutely there But totally different crew Yeah, yeah, yeah You know, you had your Oasis and Blur crew Your mainstream Yeah Crew And then, and then the kind of Your rock as the metalers Were kind of Yeah, they were When did Terrorvision sit with that? Yeah, they were there as well Yeah, were they sort of in the middle of that? Absolutely Because they really crossed over into that They did, yeah Well, they were quite poppy, weren't they? Yeah, yeah They did some stuff like that But there were tons of, I think, phenomenal albums And bands like Little Angels Yeah, yeah Supergrass Supergrass, yeah They were a bit crossover as well, weren't they? Yeah, yeah, yeah They weren't quite as heavy Although they did do Richard III That was a big heavy song Weren't they like 12 years old or something? They were very young, weren't they? Great band though But yeah, do you know Yeah Yeah, let's do some of that then I think so I think that for me Oh, Manson Do you remember Manson? Well, look down my list I've got Little Angels, Thunder, Gun, The Almighty, The Wild Hearts, Terror Vision, Therapy Therapy Manic Street Preachers Yes Oh, let's do some of that Let's go there I think so I think we just kind of go and start in the UK And then just carry on until we get bored And you just do like a 90s Do you know what I mean? Like just do a kind of an early 90s Yeah, great Run through of those British ones Yeah, it'd be nice Because I was a little bit young for those So there were those albums there Like those bands that I know You're going to love some of these Some of these albums I'll need to revisit Some of these albums I think you'll have never heard of But you'll fall in love with There's like Young Gods from Little Angels Yeah I just think it's one of the best albums ever made Yeah, yeah No one's ever heard of it Do you know what I mean? It's one of those that people just haven't heard of And then there's others as well I mean, Gun of Thunder and The Almighty as well They did some phenomenal records Yeah, yeah It'd be nice to go into Cranberries as well With No Need to Argue and things like that Yeah, there's all kinds of stuff And that was a bit later That was probably a bit later into that It was, yeah But there's some brilliant stuff Yeah, you did have Therapy And of course you've got The Wild Hearts Yeah, yeah The new Wild Hearts album's great Yeah, yeah If anybody's missed that Although Ginger sacked the entire band Yeah And then started a new band Yeah Still sounds like The Wild Hearts Yeah So, which is pretty good If we're going to do this Blind Melon thing I wanted to You know the album Blind Melon Starts with a track called Soak the Sin Right Do you know what the first line of the album No, no The first lyric is I've got to buy some shoes These ones are getting loose Oh, nice And I like that I just thought it was lovely My feet are shrinking in the sun It ain't fun But it looks like rain up ahead In 40 miles Oh, it's that song Yeah, yeah, yeah A big rainbow took the blue sky Yeah I like I like songs with those kind of You know those kind of Yeah I just I like that kind of thing Looking forward to doing this one It's going to be really good And then Yeah, then doing some We've not done What We did I'm trying to think of what British stuff We've done Do you know what I would love to do It might I don't know It might not be appropriate for our listeners But I would love to do like 60s and 70s British Yeah You know the kind of The heavy stuff No, the prog Oh, the prog stuff Okay Yeah Where Oh, you know There's tons of kind of like Emerson Lake and Palmer Yes Yeah Genesis Yeah, Genesis You know And You know what You know what mate This is our podcast Do what we want Do what we want The reason I wanted to do it You know Is because I watched that documentary Called Hypnosis Yes I remember you saying about that About the album art Yeah, yeah, yeah And it just It's incredible It's just this That scene Do what we want can't we Let's do Let's do Let's go Let's go Blind Melon Then British Heavy Rock And then we'll go back in time a bit Well I think we'll figure out What comes after that Because we've got to go And find another scene somewhere At that point Haven't we And figure out What comes What comes next Where can we go next There's a whole bunch of stuff That we could do Of like just scenes There's like The death metal scene Yeah Because like You ended up with kind of thrash And then that moved into death Yeah And then And then that scene Kind of grew Do you know what I mean And it's got this Yeah I mean the same thing It's got like Studios and producers Yeah, yeah, yeah And then there was kind of What was happening in the US And then what was happening Over in Sweden Yeah And there are different sounds And stuff So that's something I would really like to do Yeah, yeah, yeah There's probably some punk stuff We should look at as well Do you know There's a bunch of punk I'm not a massive punk fan But there's like a couple of albums Like Grey Britain from Gallows Yeah, yeah, yeah Always find myself going back to that one That's a great record Isn't it? Yeah Yeah, there's a bunch of these Kind of big scenes Gallows are fantastic Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah And then But then I mean we could do Britpop stuff I mean it depends I don't know Where Called Rufology Do what we want If we want to do it Whatever That's what we're doing Whatever We do iconic albums Doesn't matter from what era What style What it is It's an iconic album We could do Beyonce if we wanted We're probably not going to But No, I can't imagine us doing that one Hey, were we just We were both just like Is this Beyonce album Did Jay-Z produce it? Yeah I bet he did I bet he did Yeah, more bass I bet that's what he did Yeah Put more bass on it Yeah, more bass on it I'll be in Because that's how Jay-Z speaks And I feel like we've gone way off pace now We've done what we need to do here I hope you've enjoyed the show Next one is Bly Mellon I think that I'll say bye-bye to Seattle for a bit Yeah We've covered a lot of Seattle bands actually Yeah, we've done well Although there's more There's Caius Oh God Yeah, there's tons of what we could do Isn't there? Yeah Maybe we've not finished with Seattle just yet Because I'd quite like to do Caius Which one? Yeah, and then that leads into the Queens of South We've got to do Songs for the Deaf at some point Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah I don't think we've quite finished with Seattle just yet Yeah Do you? I don't know There's so much I don't want to come I don't want to leave Yeah It's a long way Yeah, no, come back again Seattle's like a 10-hour flight Yeah I want to leave And then I have to go back again Yeah Oh Let's see Let's just do Blind Melon Shall we see how we feel? And then we'll see how we feel next week We might be bored of Seattle And we might need to come and do something else Yeah, a bit of Caius sludge though That'd be nice Stoner sludge is lovely, isn't it? Yeah What was that documentary where it talks about Caius? The desert sessions and all that Yeah, yeah, yeah Which one? I can't remember Which is a documentary? And there's a new Spinal Tap coming Did you know? Have you seen this? Yeah Spinal Tap 2? Yeah Yeah, but really though? It's a new one Is it going to be any good? No It's going to be rubbish, isn't it? It's going to be like My kids want to go and see the Minecraft movie No I've got to take them tomorrow Have you taken them? Do you know what I've got to do tomorrow? I wish I could visualise this Tomorrow I've got to do gardening Yes And go to the Minecraft movie No I wouldn't bother Drop them off Just no Just drop them off Just no I can eat Maltesers I'm going to stuff my face with Maltesers That's what I'm going to do I think we're done Shall we be done? We'll be done We'll be done Love you bye Love you bye