A Chris: That was fast.
B Neil: It was.
A Chris: That was like no effects drumming. That's what that was.
B Neil: We are back.
A Chris: We are back. You are Neil. I am Chris. This is Riffology. Riffology. Co website. They're good. Oh, podcast. We're doing it for a while. Like, hello, America. There we go.
B Neil: Hello, America. They're all Def Leppard. They got in so much trouble, didn't they? Def Leppard. I remember when we covered the Def Leppard, because they went to. So they didn't. They did their albums in the UK and no one really cared. And they got an opportunity to go and do some American shows and the Americans really liked it. So they stayed in America and did more shows.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: And when they came back to England, the British press were like, would you do that for.
A Chris: You've forgotten your roots.
B Neil: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they're like, well, well, they, they, they, they came to the shows and you didn't. And I go, anyway, we're back. We did no Effects.
A Chris: No effects.
B Neil: Punkin dribble. I get confused because there's a bootleg of this called Drunk in Public.
A Chris: Oh. With the actual spelling.
B Neil: And they get mix. Apparently. They get confused no end. Where people. Where there was an actual bootleg, I think came after, called Drunk in Public.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: And then they did this one and it's called a spoonerism.
A Chris: Oh, is that what that is? When you do that?
B Neil: Where you do that? Yeah. And. And it was very popular. I was. I can't wanna say at school, but I don't know. It was certainly very popular at one stage.
A Chris: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
B Neil: Lots of people. Do you mean when people do, like a fake drunk thing when they're pretending to be a bit drunk?
A Chris: Yes. Yeah.
B Neil: They all do spoonerisms. And that's where it is this out this album.
A Chris: So my, this is a weird one. My relationship with these songs.
B Neil: Yeah.
A Chris: Isn't with this album.
B Neil: Right.
A Chris: My relationships with a lot of these songs.
B Neil: Is it the live one?
A Chris: The live one? I heard this.
B Neil: I heard this live. Yeah. I, I.
A Chris: The same thing with Nirvana. With Muddy Banks of the Witch, you said.
B Neil: Yeah, we talked about that before.
A Chris: Even with some of the Counting Crow stuff.
B Neil: Yeah.
A Chris: With that. Across the Wire, the Live in New York.
B Neil: Yeah, yeah.
A Chris: Record.
B Neil: Yeah.
A Chris: A lot of the. The ways I relate to those songs are through those specific lives.
B Neil: So I'm not alive. Album person. I don't think, like, I like I, I do. There's some really great live albums I, I do love.
A Chris: We did the MTV. The Nirvana, MTV, Nirvana.
B Neil: There's WASPs live in the Raw was one of my favorites. And there's always Adams. Yeah, there's Live After Death. Yeah, like that as well. And there's a few others. But.
A Chris: But like.
B Neil: Like I kind of have to know the core material before the live album. Works for me, typically.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: But it's funny, no Effects to me were a band that I saw at. I'm Gonna get. It was either Reading or Leeds. I think it was Leeds, but I can't. We went to both. Like one. One year we did Reading and one year we did Lead Tonight. And that. It blurs together on me. Yeah, yeah, I think it was Leeds. And I rem. Went in. There was a poster for no fx and I'd never heard of them. And. But a. A bunch of the people in our crowd were like, I'm totally going to see that. That's the only reason I'm here kind of thing.
A Chris: Oh, wow.
B Neil: What I'm here for.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: So we went and. And listened and they. I wouldn't say they blew me away. It wasn't like I left like, you know, but I. I certainly left thinking, I need that album. Right. I need. I need to go and find out what it is. And I remember coming back out and just couldn' Find it anywhere. And then even this would have been, I don't know, I want to say late 90s. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But certainly a time you'd have expected to be able to find an album. Yeah, it was ti. I think it was around the time where. Do you remember the tax laws change? Like they started to tax CDs and somebody. I can't remember who I was. It was like Sainsbury's or something. It was one. They might have been test.
A Chris: Oh, they did them cheaper.
B Neil: They did them. They sold them from the Isle of Man.
A Chris: Oh, is that why they were cheaper? Yeah.
B Neil: You could buy them from the Isle of Man so you could buy them online and ship them back and it was cheaper. And I remember what that was about
A Chris: because you normally be like 12.99 level.
B Neil: Yeah. And they were like 8.99 or 9. Yeah, yeah. And so I was looking. I remember looking on there and just couldn't find a copy of it. And somebody like did a. A CD copy of it for me and I had it.
A Chris: I didn't know that was what it was. I always thought it was just because they bulk bought loads of stuff.
B Neil: No, no, it was to do with tax.
A Chris: It's like. I suppose it's sort of 20% ish, isn't it?
B Neil: Yeah, it Got sh. But. But they preparing for this show. I started to realize what was going on in the. The there. This. That no Effects were almost an underground band. They were signed to like their own lab. Eventually they would sign to their own label, but they. They were assigned to kind of relatively small label.
A Chris: They.
B Neil: They were on Epitaph. I think for. For this they absolutely refused. So in 94, there was a. Is a massive year for pop P. Every big label, you got dookie coming through. Yeah. You got to have a smash.
A Chris: Have been.
B Neil: Got to have a pop punk band. And they were. They were all being courted. All of these kind of California bands were all being being kind of courted by the record labels. And no Effects just said no. Well, Fat Mike is like, I. I interested. Get lost. And it was interesting to me. It was like. And. And I think at the age I'm at now, I kind of get it more than perhaps I would have done.
A Chris: Yes.
B Neil: Back then.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: But reading around this and certainly reading Mike talk about this, I think it was because they could see that if they like. If they signed to this big label and became this big band, then they would almost lose that community, which is why they were doing what they were doing. Mike was always about the community. It was about the. The label and the places and the people and not about the success of that.
A Chris: No.
B Neil: Don't call me white don't call me
A Chris: white
B Neil: don't call me white don't call me white. The connotations where it might have been could it be some magic generating a mess we're in I understand that language free stereotypes but what's the explanation for the malice for the spike don't call me white don't call me white don't call me white don't call me white I wasn't right here I was born circumcised can run out guys allegiance won doesn't mean I have to take such shit for being fair Skin now I ain't but a no conspiracy I'm just your average joke don't call me white don't call me white don't call me white don't call me white Represents everything I hate the song shout in your mouth declare of mine A vast majority of sheep abiding color size and blades constricting vein the blood flow to the brain flow There's a ordinary white don't call me white. Oh, we're better off this way oh, say what you're gonna say so go ahead and label me as fuck as I can accept responsibility for what I done but not for who I am don't call me white don't call me white don't call me.
A Chris: Because it was. It was a venue. It was tied to a particular venue.
B Neil: Yeah. And they. And there was like Green Day signed,
A Chris: I think, and then they weren't allowed to play that.
B Neil: They weren't allowed, but they weren't allowed. It was almost like ostracized from the community.
A Chris: Yeah, yeah, they were. They were. They sold out.
B Neil: But that's all their friends. That's it. Because that's where they came from. It's all their friends and stuff. And it's like, like Mike took that decision of. Actually, no, I'm not. You know, I, I don't need. I don't need massive labels to do that. I think, you know, he had enough money anyway. I think they had earned enough money from other things that they were doing anyway to do what he wanted to do. And then I think this record in particular, this, this sold enough copies.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: To give them enough money to spin up their own label and do a bunch of stuff and essentially be able to kind of support that community and be you. Almost like king of that community.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: Rather than be a minnow in this massive corporate. And I think that's what he chose. I think it wasn't. It wasn't about, you know, I mean, I guess I. I don't think it was meant as like, oh, yeah, I hate. I think. Well, I mean, he did put a lot of stuff in the. In the record sleeve saying he hates the record industry. So maybe there is some of that there too. But I think he's almost a positive thing rather than an anti record industry decision.
A Chris: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
B Neil: I think it was just a positive, like, I want to support my community. I want to support the community of kids and people that I play with and I do. And the gigs and all of this stuff and we've got enough cash to do that now.
A Chris: Yeah, yeah.
B Neil: It was funny because they. They used the money from this album to spin up a new label.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: And no Effects didn't sign to it until like they didn't sign to their own label until like 2000.
A Chris: Right. Okay. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, because he wanted to help the other bands along or the purpose of that thing was a different. It was a different vehicle for something else.
B Neil: I have no idea.
A Chris: But.
B Neil: But I just think it was interest. Think that it was. They're like the, the like the poster children, if you like, of that community. Because not only did they do that, the thing that again, I didn't realize like they, they refused. They refused everything. They didn't do any interviews. No. Well, they did. They did a few video recorded a few videos apparently.
A Chris: Yeah. Which I thought would help us with our faffing at the beginning.
B Neil: Yeah. But we can't find any. But they recorded a few videos before punk and Drublock sent them to mtv and MTV ignored them.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: So when this album blew up, MTV wanted one and. And their label, like, we should do one. They recorded one.
A Chris: All right.
B Neil: And then after it had been recorded, Mike was just, you know what? I'm just not gonna do this. And so they didn't. Yeah, no interviews. They famously didn't play. There was a bunch of like big like tours with pop punk bands.
A Chris: Yeah, yeah.
B Neil: On it.
A Chris: And they didn't play the hit and
B Neil: they didn't play it or they would, you know, and they're just. It's like antagonistic almost.
A Chris: Yes.
B Neil: Where they were just difficult.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: You know, they were almost like.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: I don't know. This is something. There's just something particularly. I just like the punk ethos, I suppose. But then there's like. There are. Because they got a gold disc and apparently Mike has like. He had. It has something like 50 copies made or something. They gave one to everybody. That was part of it.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: And he's like, his mum's got one hanging in her house. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's. It's funny because for me it's kind. It's very, very contradictory to some degree. Right. So. So there's this thing where we don't care about any of that. But then have 50 copies made and.
A Chris: Yes.
B Neil: And sent out. But I don't know. I. I do. I do really think that this whole thing for him was about. On the band in general was about the. The love of. The community of. Of musicians and that. That environment they were in rather than anti, like commotion because they still got. They still. They still played with their, Their friends.
A Chris: Yes. Yeah.
B Neil: In. In. In bigger bands and on bigger bills over the years afterwards. But. But yeah, it's. It's a. It's a fun. It's a very fun album.
A Chris: Oh, it's great. I mean I didn't realize until reading the blog earlier which you can find
B Neil: at Riffology co. You can indeed. Boom.
A Chris: The. It's 17 songs. It's about 30, 39 minutes.
B Neil: Yeah. The songs is like one and a half, two minute songs. Yeah. I think it's very punky. Very, very punk record. Bone Dry. Beautiful guitar tone.
A Chris: Yeah. Really good Probably a bit Marshally it sounds like.
B Neil: Yeah, well there's. Do you know where the room of where that Marshall amper came from? I don't know how true this is. So I will caveat this by saying I don't know how whether this is actually true or not. I read it on a couple of fan sites but I don't know whether it's true or not. The rumor is that they rented a Marshall cabin stack so they. They kind of borrowed it or rented it from Swedish band Europe.
A Chris: You know what I've heard is that. Is it on the blog that.
B Neil: And I just thought of all the things that like, you know what I mean? There's like no attribution, there's no absolute guarantee. It's kind of like, you know what I mean? It's so unprovable. And I'm sure that the Euroband guys are like maybe. I don't know.
A Chris: When they wanted it back they were doing the final countdowns. That's what they're doing.
B Neil: I remember, you know on the school bus. Yeah until we used to. I used to get up, I used to go to school in, in Ibstock and I used to live in Misham. So it would be. It used to take like 40 minutes there and 40 minutes back. So on the bus every day and we used to get these coaches and they switched like in a first year at school where this really crappy. You know what I mean? Really crappy coaches. The kind of thing where you know,
A Chris: you knew that you stamped too hard the floors.
B Neil: Well, you knew like when you sat on, when you sat on the seats like the smoke and it would smell of like tobacco and it would, you know what I mean? It would. These, these were coaches, these coaches that probably took miners in.
A Chris: Yeah. Well used road worn coaches.
B Neil: But then anyway the year at the second year, really smart coaches.
A Chris: Right. Really?
B Neil: No, we had a new, A new, A new. A new company that did it. Other than that they'd got new coaches and it had tape players in.
A Chris: Yes.
B Neil: So we'd all record tapes.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: And then there'd always be a bit of a fight. First person to get on to give you tape to the bus driver to say can you play this? And they used it back then there's no way they would do that kind of crap. But they'd be. Yeah, whatever. And they would slam it on. And this is one I always used to take him. Was the final countdown. Was it in the, in the, in the 80s I would give him my, my brilliant.
A Chris: My C6 used to cover It. I used to do gigs. Yeah. And Dan did the solo and we did the thing. Heavy. It was a heavy version of it. Like a Rocky.
B Neil: Yeah.
A Chris: Kind of. Kind of thing. But the problem was, is because we used to play it.
B Neil: Yeah.
A Chris: I was. I was only young, you know, and I was a bit like, we've written our own songs that are really good.
B Neil: Yeah.
A Chris: And the only reason they're coming is because they want to hear the final countdown rock star. Like we did. And I was a bit like. I don't know.
B Neil: Covers are funny like that. There's one of. My favorite band is the band. Thrash metal band called Dentrix, A British band, Dead good. Saw them live loads of times. Absolutely love them to pieces. They did a cover of Ghostbusters.
A Chris: Yeah. Yeah.
B Neil: And that's what they're known for. Anybody wanted to hear the fan. Funniest thing about that. I remember listening to an interview about them from the band and they said that they were dead naive. They didn't know you had to pay royalties. And like, there's a. And they were like, there's a whole world of difference. Like playing another band's song and picking something off a movie. Like, if you pick something off a movie.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: They come for you and they come for you really hard.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: And we were in big trouble. So they were like, we. Like, we made some money from that. We did a. A single release. We released as a single. Do some cool artwork. We did some merch and they came for us for everything. We. We lost so much money for doing that. So we were like a bit bitten. Yeah, but. Yeah, but. But they were like that. They. They were very similar. Like, it was. You know, it got to a point where we just didn't want to cover it, but that's all anyone wanted to hear.
A Chris: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, So I had one where I wrote when I was about 15 or 16 and the song was called Tic Tac Attack and he was a spy. But in this. This is actually quite, quite. It links to this quite nicely, actually, because it was about the time where we were. Me, my mate Martin Book, we were listening to this stuff.
B Neil: Yeah.
A Chris: No effects, you know, Green Day, Offspring, Rancid a little bit as well.
B Neil: Yeah.
A Chris: And a few others. And it was me and Martin, we were. I'm sure we'd either just watched it, we were talking about the film Mars Attacks, Right. Yeah, yeah. And then we started thinking about what would happen if. If it was like Mars Bars, you know, not like the planet. So. And then we went through the List of Confectionery. And I suddenly went, Tic Tacs Tic Tac Attack.
B Neil: That's it.
A Chris: And then a song happened from. From that idea. And it is, you know, to be fair, is it is one of the catchiest songs perhaps ever written.
B Neil: Is it is it is that committed to.
A Chris: It exists on record somewhere. There was a band I was in when I was a kid called why the Dead Girl. Yeah. And it was that band that recorded it. It on there. On their first record.
B Neil: Sounds a bit. No fielding. Sounds like it should have. No fielding. Crimping. Yeah.
A Chris: And so anyway, we recorded that down and used to play it live a lot, but at college. Yeah, like, bearing in mind I was, you know, getting into writing songs. I was quite a. Yeah. Serious songwriter, writing proper songs and all that sort of stuff. And all anybody wanted to hear was Tic Tac, Tic Tacs. And I'm like, I've got this new. I've got this new songs about.
B Neil: I'm feeling really sad.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: Sing about Tic Tacs.
A Chris: And the funny. The funniest thing is, is I was. The other night I met my old. It was a really good friend, actually, but my old drama lecturer from.
B Neil: From, yeah.
A Chris: College. He moved over to Hong Kong to teach.
B Neil: Yeah.
A Chris: And he came back and we sort of met the other night and had a chat and stuff. And I was. I was doing a gig that night. So he came to, you know, we had some food. It was at the Boot in Repton.
B Neil: Yeah.
A Chris: So I. You know, we play. Sorry, we'd eat. We had some food.
B Neil: Yeah.
A Chris: Had some. Add some to drink. And then I went to sort of play the thing.
B Neil: Yeah.
A Chris: And as the night went on, he went, go on, play it. I bet I've not played it for 20 years.
B Neil: Did you remember it?
A Chris: I remember. I couldn't remember the second. The third verse, but I remember the rest of it even. It's even got a little key change in it.
B Neil: How did it. How did it go down?
A Chris: It went down brilliantly. And the problem is now is that
B Neil: now people are all. That's what they want to hear.
A Chris: Yeah. If they were there and I'm like, that's all they're going to want. That's the problem with us.
B Neil: Tic Tac. That's a good name for band.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: You could. You could have a band. I like that.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: It's probably trademarked by somebody. Yeah, everything's trademarked by somebody now. You know, if you ever do anything new and you need a name for it, that's the hardest Thing ever like you. You. So I bet if you search Tic Tac Attack dot com, it's already gone.
A Chris: Someone's gone. Yeah. Yeah, well, we tried it with a few things, didn't we?
B Neil: Oh, it's impossible. Whatever you do. You're like, oh, I need a name for something. And of course everyone now just goes on AI.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: And AI gives everybody the same thing. They're all God's point. It's just finding a name, something. It's the hardest thing ever. You might get sued by Tic Tacs. Friday night we'll be drinking many Shabbats Going out to Terra Goyam Stopping shaking, screwing chicks as long as we're home by Saturday morning. We're the bruise for dinner Dice wash the contact shoes we're the boys the orthodox is in it goes hey. Or for beat it Dr. Martin's good for waffle making Kicking through the shin Reputation gained through intimidation Pacifism no longer tradition cuz hey we're the bruise Poison and Dice watch the guy tattoos I, I wear the bruise the Fairfax get a boy skinhead he bruise We've got the mic psycho with sugar nuts we can't lose a fight and we are the chosen ones Hoods but driven we better than we feast, we celebrate we separate our milk plates from our meat I, I we're the bruise Sports and anti swastika tattoos we're the boys Orthodontists in ecogenic. Come on this, let's fight. I don't know, but, you know, when I was a kid, like, choosing a chocolate bar wasn't that difficult.
A Chris: No.
B Neil: I used to walk in and go like that when my kids go in. Well, like it's 20 minute where they're like lifting them up and weighing them and looking at how many grams of it is, how much it is and like, you know, like, you know what I mean?
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: What? You do it. Oh, well, I want the most.
A Chris: The most chocolate for my money. Is that what it is?
B Neil: Yeah. I want the most amount of chocolate for the money.
A Chris: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
B Neil: Why don't you just get the one that you like? Yeah, yeah. Well, that one's bigger.
A Chris: Yeah. Because you don't eat chocolate, do you really?
B Neil: I do a little bit. I do, I do. But I don't like milk. I don't have milk, so. But there are some lovely chocolates out there, but you just have to kind of look a little bit. We like Marks and Spencer, which is getting a little bit middle class, isn't it?
A Chris: Yeah, yeah.
B Neil: They do some dark chocolate, which I really like.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: But I find with that kind of stuff that I like, I, I. Because I've got no gallbladder and I don't have, I don't have that stuff much and I've got no willpower. So I'll start and I'll go. You know what I mean? Like, you like proper little kind of. Oh, I'm a lady and I have like one piece of chocolate, right?
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: And then I'll just have another piece of chocolate. And then I'm like, like, I'm like 10, 10 blocks it balls deep in the chocolate and I'm like, might as well finish it off now.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: Do you know what I mean? And then. Oh, I don't feel very well.
A Chris: Yeah, yeah. What did you call bladder do then? What's the purpose of that?
B Neil: I don't know. It's something to do with. It deals with fat. If you, if you eat fat, fatty foods and stuff, it breaks that down.
A Chris: Right.
B Neil: And if you haven't got one.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: Your body kind of needs to get rid of that. So it just like shoots it out the back.
A Chris: Oh, really?
B Neil: Like a jet engine.
A Chris: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
B Neil: But, but at your anus.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: So if you have like a cake or whatever.
A Chris: Yeah, yeah. Or you get cake away.
B Neil: Yeah, Cake, Yeah, you get that and it's like, it just, it's. Your body's like, I don't want that anymore.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: So you eat it. It's really nice and you know. Yeah, yeah. I'm a lady. And you have. It's lovely. And then it like decides.
A Chris: Problematic.
B Neil: Yeah. The. You like, you get a bit of a bubble.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: And you like, you can feel it, like it's like little bubbles up a little bit and you can feel it and you're like. And if you have a little, if you have like a little cake.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: You have a proper ladies portion. Okay. You're fine.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: If, if you like, don't. So let's say you've got no willpower and you might eat like four pieces of cake.
A Chris: I go to the cherry tree and they've got their big slabs.
B Neil: Yeah. And you're like, oh, dear.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: And then, then it's like, oh, you know, you've accidentally eaten some cake.
A Chris: Yes.
B Neil: I'll get rid of that for you.
A Chris: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
B Neil: So then it then
A Chris: does a good job of sorting that out for you.
B Neil: Yeah. Really quickly. It's bizarre. Like some. Sometimes you get away with. It's a bit like Russian roulette. Sometimes you get away with it. Sometimes you might Have a piece of cake. And your body's like. That's right.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: Sometimes you might have a piece of cake and your body's like, nope.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: So then it will. You get a little bit. You need like 10, 15 minutes warning where your stomach bubbles a little bit. And then you're like. And then. And then you have to go and sit down on the toilet. And then it. It's not very nice.
A Chris: No.
B Neil: But that's what it does.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: And it kind of. It's also why I don't drink anymore either. Because you, like. I'm sure it's all related. Yeah. It just makes me feel. If I drink. If I drink, like a pint.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: This makes me feel sick.
A Chris: Right.
B Neil: Like you get like. It's just. It's just bizarre. But apparently the surgeon who whipped it out said that that's normal.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: So there you go.
A Chris: There we go.
B Neil: A bit of medical advice, like knowledge.
A Chris: So. Informational podcast about music.
B Neil: Yeah.
A Chris: And medical.
B Neil: I will say I'm not a doctor. I'm not a doct. No. Yeah.
A Chris: But don't take our advice.
B Neil: You know, don't remove your own gallbladder. That's. It's really painful.
A Chris: Is it?
B Neil: I have to say, it's one of. It's extraordinarily painful. Like, it's. It's. The best way I can describe it is you. Like, when. When you would you eat. Like, when you. When I did have it and I had, like, I had a blockage, and it. You would eat something and then it would almost feel like a. Imagine like a golf ball that was glowing hot, and it was trying to burn its way out from your insides.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: For like, eight hours.
A Chris: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
B Neil: It was just like, honestly, really, really, really. And you can't sleep. You can't do anything. It absolutely destroys you. It's miserable.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: And then. And then obviously then they. That you have the surgery and they replace that and then you can eat again.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: Without any pain.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: But then you have the diarrhea, so that's nice.
A Chris: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
B Neil: There you go.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: That's really rock and roll, isn't it?
A Chris: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes. Good. Good knowledge.
B Neil: That it is. It is good.
A Chris: Yeah. And I'm trying to stop the descent into poo. Yes. Because. Yeah.
B Neil: Toilet.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: I. I do. Do you know, I went through a period of not finding toilet humor funny.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: And I think I don't miss having children, but, like, it's. Well, it's totally back for me.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: Do you know what I mean?
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: If Somebody is like, if somebody does a massive fart.
A Chris: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
B Neil: I don't know. That's just the best thing ever.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: It's just really funny. I love it. I think it's brilliant.
A Chris: In the most inappropriate places.
B Neil: Yeah. You know, there are wars going on everywhere. Everything's on fire. You know, there's no, no oil.
A Chris: And I'm quite sure that most of our conversations are meme based.
B Neil: Yeah. On the, on the message. There's something about that where, you know, you just, you know, all of this terrible stuff. Someone does a big fart, everyone left and that's it. I know, but there was a. Definitely a period of like 10 years where I just didn't.
A Chris: You didn't get. Yeah.
B Neil: Oh, God, that's immature. Do you know what I.
A Chris: Pure eye.
B Neil: Yeah, I know. I'm like, oh, God, it's brilliant.
A Chris: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
B Neil: And dinosaurs. I like dinosaurs again as well.
A Chris: Yeah, yeah.
B Neil: I went for a pit, I think. I'm sure I went through a period of not having a favorite dinosaur.
A Chris: Yeah. What is it now?
B Neil: What is Stegosaurus?
A Chris: Is it really? You're like Stegosaurus?
B Neil: What about you?
A Chris: I'm always a T. Rex, lad.
B Neil: Are you? I like. I like Stegosaurus. I like Triceratops.
A Chris: Yeah. Oh, no, I do like Triceratops, actually. That was my one as a child. That was my favorite one.
B Neil: Yeah. They've got big horns, haven't they? They've got like three horns. You can just. You can. You could like ram one of. If you got a to. Yeah, you could like ram it into stuff.
A Chris: And I like the. I like the, the Diplodocus as well. Or Diplodocus.
B Neil: They're not called that anymore. What? They're called Bronchi, Brachiosaurusaurus, something like that. Yeah. Brachiosaurus still looks the same. The big curly, like the S shaped one. It has a big tail in that brachiosaur. I don't know. But it's not called Diplodocus anymore.
A Chris: Right. So what? So. Because he was in the land before time, wasn't he?
B Neil: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I like that.
A Chris: Yeah, yeah.
B Neil: So anyway, that's. That's good.
A Chris: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not sure because when they did Jurassic Park, I had a bit where I was a bit. Oh, no, quite like the raptor thing. I had a bit of sort of veering into that.
B Neil: Yeah.
A Chris: But then I think. No, no, I like the T. Rex.
B Neil: Too little, too snappy.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: You've got no horns. You've got to have. You got to have. If You. If you're going to be a dinosaur, you want massive orange, don't you?
A Chris: Yeah, yeah. You know it's true.
B Neil: Do you know what I mean? Or like the big. I like the stegosaurus. It's got like the plates down.
A Chris: I like that. Where do you sit with, like mammoths, though?
B Neil: Mammoths.
A Chris: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know they're later, obviously, but they. They're also a prehistoric beast.
B Neil: I love that sketch. It's a brilliant sketch. Armstrong and Miller, where they're pretending to be. It's like a. A dinner party.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: For Neanderthals and they're all sitting around going, I. I like mammoth. Do you like. Do you like mammoth? Oh, I like mammoth. It's just like, totally is stupid and it's just. I just. I think it's really funny.
A Chris: Yeah, yeah.
B Neil: But they'll probably pretend to have like a middle class Neanderthal party where they all talk about liking mammoth.
A Chris: Yeah, yeah.
B Neil: And that's good because we've got mammoth to eat and. Yeah, yeah, that was really good. But, you know, I don't like. I don't mind the W. Yeah, they're
A Chris: all right, you know.
B Neil: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm all right with that.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: We appeared to have vid, of course.
A Chris: I'll tell you what we had. That was somewhere a good 20 minutes, though, of being quite on task.
B Neil: I think it's your fault because you started. Oh, you started like too, too good straight away. Yeah, you were. You were on it like a car bonnet and you did all the facts and you started to talk about the album.
A Chris: Yeah. So we were really on task. Well, now what do we do?
B Neil: Where'd you go from there? We watched. It's worth talking this week. We watched the. The film we watched.
A Chris: What did we watch?
B Neil: Oh, God.
A Chris: Spinal Tap on a mandate.
B Neil: We did. We went to the Brew House in. In Burton on Trent where. Where we watched a movie which was dead cool. So I love tiny little.
A Chris: Yeah, yeah.
B Neil: Theater in there.
A Chris: 56 max.
B Neil: And there's like, I don't know, but a handful of us in there. It was dead good.
A Chris: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
B Neil: I really enjoyed that.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: Very funny writing.
A Chris: They did really well with it, didn't they?
B Neil: They did easily. That could have easily.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: Gone off into like, cheese fest.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: Territory. Or snore fest territory. But it was quite good. It's quite.
A Chris: No, they did a great job of it.
B Neil: There's some lovely bits in there where he has, like, cheese and guitars and then. And then there's the bit in the back of the Guitar where he keeps cheese.
A Chris: He takes the back of his cheese. Hol.
B Neil: Just like. Just where and a little greater. Yeah. It just killed me. I was just like, this is. Yeah, this is it.
A Chris: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
B Neil: You were. You were in, weren't you?
A Chris: Yeah. We just nailed it. They absolutely nailed it. And. And you know. Oh, yeah. They got it right. They got it right.
B Neil: Yeah.
A Chris: Very well written, very well.
B Neil: Absolutely deadpan, but I enjoyed that. If you've not seen Spinal Tap 2, you should go and watch it, maybe. There you go. That's a film. That's a film recommendation on. On Mythology. I've got Facts. You want me to do some facts or should we. Should we listen to music or what do you want to do with. Where do you want to go?
A Chris: We got songs. Let's put a song on then. Do facts.
B Neil: Do it. Almost every afternoon we play bumping in games at 9 years old there's no such shame. It wasn't recognition of a face what brought me back was a familiar mark and it flashed across the screen I bought some magazines, some videotape seeds Incriminating acts I felt that I could save. Who better you to tell me how to live? You think I sell my party? I nearly sell my time I ain't no Cinderella I ain't way to save me in fact until just now I was doing just fine and on and on now what degradation feels like filtered on the floor at the factory where I worked long before I took control Now I answer the need the 50k I'll make this year without anywhere I plead where's the problem?
A Chris: That's a stylish fade out on this one. Laurie Myers, I.
B Neil: Do you know what that's about?
A Chris: No, I did read it earlier and I forgot.
B Neil: So. Laurie Myers is a made up name of somebody that Fat Mike was at college with and she was a. She did like adult work. Yeah. And she made loads more money than he did and was more successful and happier doing it. And he dis. Tries to. To like to set out to have this argument with her to say that what you're doing is wrong and blah, blah, blah. And it turns out that actually she's really happy with life and it's great and she had loads of money and. And there you go. Yeah, I quite like that.
A Chris: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
B Neil: I think it's really good.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: And actually I think that that sums up a lot of what's wrong with the world.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: You don't tell people what not to do.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: Leave them alone.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: Somebody wants to go and do Whatever the correct. I don't know what the PC word for that industry is. If you want to go and do that, you go and do it. If you want to go and be religious, do that.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: But don't tell other people what they have to do.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: You leave them alone.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: Go up to them.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: There you go. Public service, I think. I think that would solve every problem in the world.
A Chris: Yeah. Yeah.
B Neil: Do you know what I mean? The world's full of too many people telling other people.
A Chris: Yeah. What they shouldn't. Shouldn't be doing.
B Neil: Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Like, I think the greatest album this year is the Pretty Reckless Dear God.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: And it is the best album in the world ever.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: But that's my view.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: And I clearly changed my mind next week. But that's my view.
A Chris: Why don't you get the tattoo of the symbol?
B Neil: If there was like a tattoo of something that said, like can't make my mind up. That would be. Or like. Is that. Is that.
A Chris: It's.
B Neil: It's. We were always taught this. I remember first being taught that. Strong Opinions Weekly held.
A Chris: Yeah. I've used that recently to somebody.
B Neil: That is it for me. That's the tattoo I'd have, you know, inside of my arm. Strong Opinions Weekly Health. I could. I could totally do that. That is. That sums me up in a heartbeat. I'll fight you to the death. That. That is the. The Dear God is the best album that's been released this year.
A Chris: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Until the next one comes out.
B Neil: Yeah. Until like whatever else is going well. There are two that I love at the minute. There's Bring Me the Horizon of re. Oh yeah, you Message recorded their debut, which I know it was really craply recorded back then and I don't think the band were not in a great state and.
A Chris: And stuff.
B Neil: But so rather than remaster it.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: They went back into the studio and re recorded it and it's brilliant. I absolutely love that. I think they've done a mega job proper.
A Chris: Sometimes you have to.
B Neil: Sometimes old fashioned though. It's really. It's nice. It's really cool.
A Chris: Ye. Yeah. Because they went down that like let's make songs that everyone will sing for a bit. Didn't they? They did a bit of that sort.
B Neil: Well, it's funny they. I was listening to Ollie talk about the. The progression of the band and it's just like that's just what we've done. So that first album was what we wanted and that's what we wanted to listen to. And then we evolved and changed, and so the music evolved and changed. Right? It's not like, you know, we said,
A Chris: everyone's going out to create this.
B Neil: Everyone's like, oh, you're going off there trying to do this, you're trying to do that. That.
A Chris: No, no, that's just what we're doing right now.
B Neil: You just can't do that like that. If everybody's talking about, you know, you being able to do that, that's. You don't. Like, you can't.
A Chris: That's what you just said, isn't it? Telling people what they shouldn't do.
B Neil: You can't just wake up and decide, you know, oh, I'm gonna be Taylor Swift today. Do you know what I mean? That's not how it works. But they were like, well, that's what we wanted. So, anyway, I love that and that's great album this. This year. And. And I think the pretty reckless Dear Goddess, just otherworldly. Like, Taylor's voice is phenomenal, and you should all go and listen to it because it's brilliant. But I'm not. I don't know. If you don't want to, don't. Don't do it. Stop telling people what they can and can't do. You just chill out a bit.
A Chris: The other thing that happened when we went to watch the film, when we went to watch Spinal Tap 2.
B Neil: Yeah.
A Chris: The Return of the tap. What's it called? What's it even called? The film. It's got, like, a sequel name. I can't remember.
B Neil: I don't know. I can't. I can't remember.
A Chris: Yeah, Turn your tap on that kind of.
B Neil: By the way, I found Pete that I. I did search Tic Tac Attack.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: There's loads of people that. There's people with that as their handle on Instagram X. Yeah.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: Very well taken. Tic Tac.
A Chris: I've got no chance anyway.
B Neil: Do it anyway. Just take over the space. No, I don't know. I don't know what it's called.
A Chris: No.
B Neil: Oh, the end continues.
A Chris: The end continues. Yeah. Well done, mate. That's. That's good. That's good memory.
B Neil: I don't know where that came from. I've had. I'm absolutely smashed off my ass on. On going. Diet Coke and fruit pastels. It's past my bedtime and I'm.
A Chris: Yeah, but you've bought some, like, yellow things tonight.
B Neil: Jelly tops. Round. We've gone full round trees. If round trees want to sponsor the show.
A Chris: Yeah. Yes.
B Neil: Please get in touch. We're Dead cheap.
A Chris: Yeah, yeah. Just pack just like six packets, I
B Neil: reckon, like three quid a week and you've got us. You've got us. We, we. We do the whole Riffology, sponsored by Round Trees. Send us three quid fruit. But we like black and red fruit pastels. And I'm a bit of a. I like Jelly tots.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: And we like those fizzy ones, which were the. Really. The ones that kind of made your face change shape.
A Chris: Yeah, I like that.
B Neil: I forgot with the sour. Whatever ones.
A Chris: I think they were jelly tops as well, but they were just sour.
B Neil: Yeah, Jelly top sour. Yeah, Send some of those.
A Chris: Yeah, yeah, I like the sour ones. I'm into that.
B Neil: And if anybody else wants it, like. We're not interested in sponsorship from anybody else.
A Chris: No.
B Neil: Somebody asked me the other day, like, someone, Someone. Genuinely. I was showing someone the stats for the show and they're like, oh, you know, what are you going to do about monetizing? What. What. What do you want about money? What do you mean? So you could, like, you could do, you know, sponsor bits and stuff.
A Chris: Yeah, yeah, Just send us sweets.
B Neil: I mean, what are. You are. Don't. Just know. I don't. I just. We're a bit like Fat Mike, aren't we? Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're rejecting. Yeah, we're rejecting the.
A Chris: Yeah, but if. Imagine someone saying, oh, we'd love you to do this art album.
B Neil: Yeah.
A Chris: We'd be like, no, you.
B Neil: You'd be really bad for that, wouldn't you? I'd be like, yeah, if we remember them in my. I mean, I wouldn't have any objection to it, but you'd be like, I know. Telling me what to do, when I want to do it, I'll do it. That's it. I'm not. I don't like being told.
A Chris: That's really funny that Gemma saw my. My dad on one of those, like. Like that, what you just said.
B Neil: Yeah.
A Chris: And she went, my God, it was like talking to you. You.
B Neil: You turning into your dad or is your dad turning into you?
A Chris: What do I want? Thanks.
B Neil: No one likes being.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: Like, no one likes being told what to do.
A Chris: You should do that. I'm seeing a bit.
B Neil: There's a bit of that, is there? It's like, do you know, I wonder if that's where Mike was with this, like, where everybody. But everybody else. Everybody else in this, like, going, you should sign to this level. You should sign. You're going to make friends, unfortunately, you should sign this label. And it's just like, I don't Tell me what to do.
A Chris: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
B Neil: Do what I want. Yeah, definitely. There's definitely a bit of that.
A Chris: Yeah, yeah.
B Neil: Where you just.
A Chris: Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, when we watched. Watched the film.
B Neil: Oh, good.
A Chris: After we watched the film.
B Neil: Yeah.
A Chris: We went to book ourselves in to do a radio show.
B Neil: I know where you're going now. I wonder where you. I know you're going.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: We're going to be radio stars. Do you know what. Do you know what the last song on MTV was?
A Chris: No.
B Neil: Video Kill the Race Video Kill the Radio.
A Chris: Really?
B Neil: Yeah.
A Chris: The President's version.
B Neil: I don't know, I didn't watch it.
A Chris: I bet it's the. I hope it's the President. I like that version.
B Neil: Do you?
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: Don't know. But that was it. And do you know how I know that? No, it was a. A quiz question. Garbage. On holiday, we had a week in Scotland, which I really like. We had a week in a cabin next to a lock.
A Chris: And how did they do the quiz?
B Neil: Mountain biking. We had a plate. They call this place the Retreat Treat.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: Where you went and. And paid like £6 for a bottle of Diet Coke. But they also did quizzes and other things there. We did a quiz. And what else did we do? We did. Oh, bingo. I don't like bingo. No, we did bingo.
A Chris: No, I'm not keen on bingo.
B Neil: I don't. I just really hate being a passion. But we did it.
A Chris: And I did use a dabber. Yeah, a bingo dubber.
B Neil: Yep. Yeah, we did one of those.
A Chris: So she buy one? Did you buy dubbo?
B Neil: No, I can't remember what I did. Someone gave me a felt tip pen.
A Chris: I didn't even have the proper pen.
B Neil: No, I did. So I did that. It was awful. I didn't like it.
A Chris: May. I'm buying you one. Next week I'm gonna buy you one. I'm gonna buy you a pack, you know, like in the books, the strips.
B Neil: Yeah.
A Chris: And then. And then. And then I'll give you the book and the dober.
B Neil: Yeah.
A Chris: And then all the way through the episode. I'll just hit the button on the
B Neil: side, generate a number.
A Chris: Generate a number on my phone. And then you'll have to dub it while we're doing it.
B Neil: Do you know what mean I. Some of the. When I write. When I retire, I'm gonna write a comedy, Right. And I've got. You know when something lives in your brain?
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: Like this. This lives. It's lived in my brain for like 30 years. This. This comment. And I know the people in that stuff. One of the people in there that I've got in my brain is a bingo. He's a bingo caller who does it, but he's really fed up with it. So, you know, you know, bingo callers all get a bit excited. They're all like seven and seven. Mine doesn't do that.
A Chris: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
B Neil: Mine's proper.
A Chris: I always wanted to do like the random things.
B Neil: Yeah.
A Chris: You know, like. I don't know, like frogs.
B Neil: Taste of fish.
A Chris: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like fish guts. 23. You know, that kind of thing.
B Neil: We had. We had one. There was a guy who.
A Chris: 76, eating nan.
B Neil: Oh, God.
A Chris: That kind of thing.
B Neil: Yeah, I like. Yeah, I like that. It's funny though, like, I just assumed everyone had this. This thing where they kind of, you know, the experiences you go through in your life that you like. For me, what. I organize them in almost. Almost scenes in. In like a TV show.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: That's how I kind of, you know, and it amuses me greatly where I kind of, you know, if somebody's an absolute knobhead.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: And you just kind of think, what? What? I know, yeah.
A Chris: That's the character. The character.
B Neil: Yeah, I know. I'll. Yeah. You can be the, you know, you can be the charity she. Shop manager. Right. And it shocked me. This is probably going back 20 years. Talking to people. We're out drinking and people were looking at me like, you do what? I'm like, yeah. I just like, just make these characters and they're in. And they live in my. I've never written them down.
A Chris: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
B Neil: It just kind of lives in my head.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: And like, I can still remember it really clearly though, going back 20 years. I can totally remember these ideas and stuff like that. Had going back.
A Chris: The Fed Up Bingo call is a good one.
B Neil: Yeah, I like that one a lot. Just kind of. It just really doesn't want to be this properly.
A Chris: Yeah. I could have some fun with that though, you know, because I like it when they, like when there's a tele program and they just leave it doing something for a bit too long.
B Neil: Yeah.
A Chris: Like the League of Gentlemen was amazing for it.
B Neil: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
A Chris: Or Boosh even. Where, you know, like, it just go on a bit too long. And I loved all that like that just. You start to get a bit uncomfortable.
B Neil: Yeah, yeah. I don't know if that.
A Chris: I love.
B Neil: I love the absurdity of stuff. I like Number Wang.
A Chris: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's number one.
B Neil: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
A Chris: I really reckon that was like the last great. Kind of like Sketch show that was
B Neil: the last great era of. Of. Because you had smack the pony offensive comedy.
A Chris: Yeah, yeah. Those guys. Yeah.
B Neil: Where you just can't.
A Chris: Big train.
B Neil: Yeah. You can't get away with that stuff quite the same way.
A Chris: I suppose what took over from that, though, is panel shows, isn't it? It.
B Neil: Yeah, yeah. But the thing is, they're all so bothered now about being cancelled that the.
A Chris: Yeah, yeah.
B Neil: I mean. And it's funny. I think the. I think the comedy's got so much better. I mean, we've. We have kind of wandered quite a long way off piste, I think, for this particular section.
A Chris: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's always a bit on the description that I always like reading.
B Neil: Yeah.
A Chris: Which is like the kind of tangent.
B Neil: The tangent gold.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: People have written into us and said, this is the best bit, which is good, isn't it? It's just the. The tangential gold of this. I say that. Tangential tangent. That's what. That's. That's what it says on the tangential gold. Because what we being really trying, what we do is we take the transcript of the show, we dump it into an AI, which we've kind of trained a little bit in how we want it to behave and we've threatened it and said if it doesn't do what we want, we'll drown it. And then it kind of pulls out the bits and it amuses us to surprise everybody.
A Chris: That's like a little present at the end.
B Neil: Yeah. Just for the. It does the. The description of the show that go. The. The description for each show that lives on Apple Music or wherever. Another shock this week. Spotify Stats have shot up.
A Chris: Spotify.
B Neil: And we've never. We've never. Bizarrely, Spotify has always been really low for us. And it suddenly shot up. It's like. Like doubled.
A Chris: Right.
B Neil: For no reason whatsoever. Belgium's gone back down after the ZZ Top.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: We covered Z Top.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: Belgian Belgium. That went big and. And now. Now Spotify's gone up.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: Don't know why.
A Chris: No.
B Neil: It's funny that, isn't it? Stats. You know, you get these stats pages and it tells you things.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: And you. I don't know what to do with. What do I do now there are people of us.
A Chris: Then try joining Job to look at that meaningless drivel and do something like.
B Neil: What do you do? What. I mean, what do I do about that?
A Chris: Yeah. Yeah. What we should do is do another
B Neil: ZZ Top album, convert the show into Belgian. What do they speak in Belgium?
A Chris: Belgian What?
B Neil: What Is that. What is it?
A Chris: Don't know. Isn't it. It's quite close to Germany, isn't it? Belgium.
B Neil: It's just German.
A Chris: France. German kind of thing.
B Neil: That's a name.
A Chris: I don't. Actually. Don't know. I'm. That's.
B Neil: Yeah, I remember. This is going to be really funny and. And
A Chris: I'm going to Google it while you're talking.
B Neil: Enough people that. That. That I work with will remember this. I'm sure there's enough people that listen to remember it. But we were having this conversation about one of our apps and that the translations hadn't landed particularly well. So we're having this conversation about some of the Americanisms that were in the app.
A Chris: App.
B Neil: Like hang tight while we beef up security. We're not translating particularly well into some European languages. Like for. Particularly the Nordic language. Like. Like, you know. So the. The customers I was working with were. Were from Norway and Sweden and we. Anyway, we were working with this manager of this particular app, the pm, who was responsible. Responsible for. For dealing with it. And she said that in. In. So we had the meeting. It all ended really well and the conversation had gone well. In the act. Actions that came out of it. She had listed to translate the app or to review the translation of the app into European.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: As if it was a language. I think that's the problem.
A Chris: So Belgium. Belgium isn't far off the. That. So it's European. Yes.
B Neil: It's like generic European.
A Chris: Yeah, yeah. No, they speak Dutch, do they Flemish?
B Neil: Yeah.
A Chris: French and German all at the same time. It's probably of different regions within there. But Belgium isn't very big either.
B Neil: I like the fact that. I like the idea they do it all at the same time. Mix. Mix words.
A Chris: Mix them up. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
B Neil: We went to Belgium at school.
A Chris: Yeah. There was a trip, wasn't it?
B Neil: We went. We went to Belgium to saw that boy with a penis.
A Chris: Okay.
B Neil: The weeing. You know, the boy. There's a boy.
A Chris: What are you on about? I don't know what that is.
B Neil: There's a boy with a penis who wees.
A Chris: Right. Not a real fountain.
B Neil: Yeah, yeah. And there was a ferry that sank. That's what I remember. There was a ferry that sank and there was a. Literally what we were. On the day we were. We were going to see the boy with a penis. There was a ferry that sank ahead of us and it was all chaos and everyone was really wondering. Teachers were really worried. Our ferry didn't sink. Yeah, we went to see the boy with the penis. Yeah. And I can't remember what was. I can't remember the name of the ferry was. It was a big deal. It was on the news and that. They left the back door open, apparently. And it.
A Chris: I think if you drink the weed, it's good luck.
B Neil: Is it?
A Chris: That's why you didn't get there. That's why the ferry didn't.
B Neil: You know, we went to. Oh, we're going to have to get back on track in a minute. So we were in Scotland.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: And we did. We're in the Highlands. And it was lovely and I absolutely loved it. There was no people around. It was phenomenal. I'm a mountain bike. Well, behind a mountain bike. I was shot up the. The hills and that. I really, really good time, like blasting around, lots of kind of, you know, skidding about and. And jumping off. It was brilliant. And then we went to Edinburgh for a few days on. Gone. On the way back down, we were driving past it, so we thought that'd be cool. We'll go and do, like a city thing. So we're in Edinburgh and we went to this area called Greyfriars.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: And there was a movie, a Disney movie called Grey Friars Bob about a dog, right. Where its owner died. And then the dog, like, sat on the owner's grave until it died.
A Chris: Right.
B Neil: Which was a long time, apparently.
A Chris: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
B Neil: And I didn't know that. I've not.
A Chris: That's a thing, isn't it? That's like. Yeah, I know.
B Neil: It's an actual thing.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: And I didn't know about. I've not watched the movie. Didn't really know about it. Lizzie wanted to go and see it, but I didn't really. I didn't ask about your vibe. I didn't really ask what was going on there. Anyway, we. We start walking up there, there, and there's this dog, like a bronze dog, and everyone's rubbing its nose.
A Chris: Oh.
B Neil: So we go up there and the family there and I go, why. Why are we rubbing the dog's nose? And Liz was like, well, it's like a. Like, you know, the. The dog was, you know, very loyal.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: I was like, aren't all dogs loyal? And then this girl in front of us, this old lady in front of her, she just turned around corner almost savagely. Really said, it's good luck. It's from the movie about the dog. And then educated me, like in 30 seconds, quite sternly.
A Chris: Yeah, yeah.
B Neil: You know, what are you. Why are you. Why are you here if you don't know about the dog? Yeah, you know.
A Chris: Yeah, yeah.
B Neil: And I felt a bit juvenile to be honest, so I went and had a sausage roll.
A Chris: So now you. Do you rub every dog's nose now?
B Neil: I don't know. It's not real dog.
A Chris: No.
B Neil: You know, it's like a bronze dog.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: And it's just bizarre. But then you know what was really weird? Obviously I educated myself. So when we go in there, we go into this grave where the, where the, the, the. The graveyard, where the grave is of the. Of the guys that the dog wasn't. And two things I discovered. One, it's where most of the Harry Potter names are from. So J.K. rowling used to. Used to write Harry Potter just literally around the corner. So she just go and see. Just going. I mean weird lady going and hanging around in the graveyard and. But she.
A Chris: You.
B Neil: Loads like Voldemort. Loads of the names it's all from there were from, from the graveyard. And two, the local council have asked everyone to stop touching the dog because his nose is wearing off. So that's what I learned.
A Chris: Yeah. Yeah.
B Neil: Should we go back to something? Indeed.
A Chris: That was the tangent, wasn't it? That was a. I mean that was
B Neil: pretty, pretty award winning tangent even for us. The AI is going to have a hard time balancing this into a music and nonsense stuff. Should we do. I've got some. I've got some facts to do in that. Shall I have a look at some facts?
A Chris: Yeah, let's do it. Let's do that.
B Neil: Released on 19 July 1994 on Epitaph Records, produced by Ryan Green and Fat Mike. It was.
A Chris: Am I right in thinking it wasn't Ryan Green's usual gig?
B Neil: No. Apparently he didn't know anything about this scene at all. Yeah.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: Like just.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: Which I think is really interesting. It was recorded in West Beach Recorders Hollywood. Apparently it took two weeks, which kind of makes sense when you listen to it.
A Chris: It's fast.
B Neil: Kind of makes sense. One of the things I didn't realize.
A Chris: Sounds clean.
B Neil: It does sound clean. Yeah. One of the things I hadn't realized is there's virtually no demos because Fat Mike did all of the development work almost on the fly whilst they were before. Way, way, way up front. So literally just turned up with completed.
A Chris: Right, right.
B Neil: So there's very little in the way of. Yeah, very little in the way of demos for just the finished songs. And then they literally just turned up, bashed them out and off he went. Fat Mike doesn't believe in rhyming or choruses, so Almost none of the songs if you listen almost none of the songs have got rhymes or choruses in them. In fact Mike says that no one ever noticed they did get when they
A Chris: get to do There was. So there's an album Heavy Petting Zoo which came a little bit later. Yeah, that one's a lot more song structure.
B Neil: Well, it's interesting because Fat Mike says this album is the fans favorite but not the band's. All right, that's interesting favorite which I think is really interesting. This album didn't chart on the Billboard 200 or in the UK or in fact. Oh yeah. I don't think it really when anywhere on the charts. Yeah eventually it would go Gold about six years after release. So the reckon it sold about 11 million copies. Singles were Don't Call Me White and Leave It Alone.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: Don't Call Me White is interesting because it often gets misused by various people and the like. Fat Mike is an atheist Jew and the song is basically about not judging people by, you know, their. Their labels. It's about judging people by what's about not judging people really. And the song gets misused like all the. All the time. So much so when they do it live often he'll do a bit of a speaky bit about it, explain it, change the lyrics a little bit. Which I think is interesting. The original version of the album did not have original instruments attributed. So Fat Mike was. Was attributed as Double Chin. Melvin was Dreads El Jefe got talent and Sanding got tattoos. The issue the reissues that came after got the proper credits of instruments that came that came after. Which I think is. Is interesting. Interesting. Oh, where did I get to down here so. Oh. Fat Mike wrote 14 of the 17 songs along Alone. Perfect Government is the only. The only cover.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: Linoleum, the track.
A Chris: I love that song. I love it. I love that song. I think I said this last week, but that's the. That's one of the songs which is where I get my kind of right hand from.
B Neil: Right
A Chris: between that and the Offspring.
B Neil: Is it down? It's not. Is it down picked or is it like.
A Chris: No, there's a combination that Diddler.
B Neil: Yeah.
A Chris: Yeah. Is he up? Yeah.
B Neil: So it's. It's literally about Mark Curry who always used to sleep on kitchen floors. Which I just think is nuts. It's just. I don't know.
A Chris: I quite like that.
B Neil: I think it's quite funny. Hidden track. Do you want to talk about the hidden track?
A Chris: I love hidden tracks. Oh, I'm so happy. I'll Just. You can't do that anymore, can you? There's no such thing. You can't do it. And it's. It's. I think like that was a treat. Every time an album came out, there's a secret track. It was a treat.
B Neil: It's very cool. It's essentially just some recordings and stuff that were left.
A Chris: So it's like the last. You have the last song of the record.
B Neil: Yeah.
A Chris: And then on the CD you probably have like 10 minutes gap.
B Neil: There's a seven. It's a seven minute track, seven minute run out. And then it's like the last minute or two. Yeah, yeah, yeah, is. And it's a.
A Chris: Is it like a demo or something or. Yeah, like an acoustic track, isn't it?
B Neil: Yeah, basically. Yeah, simple as that really. Just. Just a bunch of. Of stuff that was. That was kind of left that they didn't really know what to do with. So they stuck it together and use that.
A Chris: I do like. Oh yeah, I do. Of all the things I miss is secret tracks.
B Neil: Reception of this. No one really loved it when it came out reception wise. It was like it was a proper 3 out of 5. 4 out of 5. Everyone was like, yeah, it's all right. Maybe. Maybe. Nowadays number 29, I'm rolling stock Stone's 50 Greatest Pop Punk Albums. Number six on Karang's 51 Greatest Pop Punk Albums. Number four in the UK ranking of essential pop punk albums. It's funny, like at the time it wasn't. But I think some of it is because of the albums it was up against.
A Chris: Yeah, yeah. It was huge.
B Neil: It was a big time for that. It was like releasing a metal album in like, in. In like 86. Like that. You know what I mean? There were some things kind of just
A Chris: a part of the noise.
B Neil: Yeah. You were not gonna. Not.
A Chris: It stood the test of time. That's the thing, isn't it? As you say, it's a fan favorite.
B Neil: I think so. This is one that I think and. But I think this has got as much to do with the band and the like. I don't know, like the, like the aura around them and the community that they. That they supported as the music. I mean the music is great, but it's also, I think the kind of like the, the urban myths and the stories around the. Around the band. Because they weren't doing mtv, they weren't doing all these things. They were doing their own thing, you know, they were a standout. They were an oddity because. Yeah, because of that. So as those stories progress I think those. It becomes, you know, longer. And I also think that the song, you know, the songs here, because there's not rhyming and big choruses, they do like last a bit long. Do you know what I mean? They do have this longevity.
A Chris: I think it's like having a. Yeah. It's like having an album full of album tracks.
B Neil: Yeah.
A Chris: They take you a while to get to and then. But when they're there, they're there.
B Neil: I do. I think you're right. I think they're. I think they're pretty cool. There was. I looked at the, the covers.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: Of this and it's. It's nuts. The. The number of bands that covered tracks off this album is. Is nuts.
A Chris: It's just. It's like a musician's. A record. It's really respected by people who play, I think.
B Neil: Yeah. Yeah, I think so. I think it's. It's a very, very cool record. What else did I want to talk about? Oh yeah, the drum. There was a big conspiracy that the drums were sampled.
A Chris: Yeah, the kick drum. Cuz he's got. He's got the drum in like.
B Neil: He is so precise.
A Chris: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's so precise and you can fit. You can see, see, you can see why people would think that.
B Neil: Yeah.
A Chris: Because it's so tight, it's so precise. It's so on the beat and everything's. Everything's played consistently.
B Neil: Yeah.
A Chris: So the snare feels consistent and the. And the. And the kick pedal feels consistent. And that would have made you think it was triggered or something.
B Neil: Yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's. Yeah, it's really interesting, I think. But the band on record, it wasn't. It was played live. Yeah. That is what I've got for facts for this album. There's tons more. This. It's a particularly long blog, this one.
A Chris: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
B Neil: So if you like a long blog, you like, you like reading about this kind of stuff. There's a scene blog for pop punk which is interesting and then there is.
A Chris: But it was that. It was that blog where I learned about the. This community in that building.
B Neil: I've been enjoying that, you know, I've been enjoying the scene stuff. I think if you've got any ideas for scenes, then write in and tell us. I mean, we'll ignore you, but you can. We won't do that.
A Chris: If you tell us and then a few things later, we'll just think it's our idea and then it'd be fine.
B Neil: Yeah, we'll just. Yeah. We'll totally take credit for all of the ideas that we. That we get. But. But yeah, no, if you've got. Yeah, if you have an idea of a scene, then yeah, we. We're totally, totally down for that.
A Chris: Or.
B Neil: Yeah, I think that'd be quite cool. You know, I don't know what we should do next. I. I really wanted to do, like.
A Chris: Can I play the secret track first before we talk about this?
B Neil: Oh, yeah, do that. You do that. And then talk about what we do next.
A Chris: Right.
B Neil: How did the. How. How did the cat. How. How did the cat get so fat?
A Chris: Like, he's more punk than me.
B Neil: Well, well, blow me down. He's more punk than me. Okay, do.
A Chris: Do the other guy.
B Neil: Do Speedy Gonzalez. This guy's more punk than me.
A Chris: Yee ha.
B Neil: Well, how can we get that cheese without a pussegrato? This guy's more punk than me. Hey, do a blueberry hemp. Oh, my darling. Wow. This guy's more punk than me.
A Chris: What else you got? I don't think the ranger's gonna like this, Yogi. This guy's more punk than me.
B Neil: Back to the kitchen. I smell something burning that in there. Coffee, large fries, Cheeseburger. Hello. You guys got that in there?
A Chris: Go away.
B Neil: Or like close or something? He's like more punk than me. Hello. That guy's more punk than me. You got that in there?
A Chris: And there we have it. The secret track.
B Neil: Funny. The Beavis and Butthead impression. Love all of that. It's cool. I want to do some 41. All killer, no filler.
A Chris: That's it. Done. Chosen.
B Neil: They've just done. They've just re. Released all killer, no Filler, for the 25th anniversary.
A Chris: Too deep on that one.
B Neil: It's got. It's got nothing on my back. Fat lip in too deep. It's got crazy Amanda Bunk face on it. And it is cool and I like it a lot. I remember when Lizzie and I first started to date, she bought me a copy of this because she worked at Woolworths.
A Chris: In Swad.
B Neil: No, in. In Burton. On Trent.
A Chris: In Burton Upon Trend.
B Neil: Yeah. And then she worked in SWAT as well. Yeah, but she worked in. In. In there.
A Chris: She was a session session.
B Neil: Yeah, yeah. It's like a. Like a temp. She did. She did that. Yeah, but. Yeah, she. She was depping.
A Chris: Yeah, that's it. I was thinking.
B Neil: Yeah, yeah, but. Yeah, no, no, I remember. I remember. I get me this and it's got. I have no idea where it is now, obviously. Yeah, yeah, but, yeah, nearly all on
A Chris: the bus in the tape.
B Neil: Nearly all of my. Nearly all of my CDs have got Woolworth stickers on.
A Chris: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
B Neil: Which was quite cool because she used to get a big discount and, you know, when stuff got marked down.
A Chris: Yes.
B Neil: She'd be. She'd be like. She'd come home and she'd be like, I've seen, like, Slipknot in the discount bin. Do you want it? It's like two quid, like. Yeah, give me that. So.
A Chris: Codes. I've got a story about that. So I used to work in retail every day in music retail.
B Neil: Yeah.
A Chris: And, you know, as it. As stuff happens, there sometimes would be CDs that don't have a case or.
B Neil: Yeah, of course. Yeah.
A Chris: You know, like damage or something got lost or things weren't stocked right and there was excess start and all those sort of things. And then eventually, like, you'd have to write them off, of course.
B Neil: Yeah. And no one's going to buy them if they're broken.
A Chris: Yeah. And one of the things we used to do was to kind of, like, just share them between a few of us.
B Neil: Yeah.
A Chris: If it was over that. But the problem was is that I was like, this is really cool. This is like free stuff.
B Neil: Yeah.
A Chris: And then. But it. But you weren't supposed to think like that. You're supposed to think, oh, no, look at all the money that the company has lost.
B Neil: Yeah.
A Chris: Because. Because of all of you stupid idiots.
B Neil: Yeah.
A Chris: Like mislabeling stuff or selling it wrong or.
B Neil: Yeah.
A Chris: Letting something get nicked and there's only one little bit of it left.
B Neil: Yeah.
A Chris: And my things, like the airplane. But look, it's still free stuff.
B Neil: That's what is it. Nobody cares about, like, if you. If you're a massive conglomerate, like, no one's at all. Poor, poor, massive conglomerate.
A Chris: Yeah. And then in the end, they sort of folded that and. And then you. And then, you know, you have that feeling of, like, was that because. Is that because.
B Neil: That's because you stole.
A Chris: Because I stole life forms by Future Sound of London. Because. Because it lost. Somebody had lost the booklet.
B Neil: What I do remember is I remember Lizzie. She used to love pick a mix until she went. Like the first day she came home after working there, she was like, I'm never having pick a mix ever again. She said one of the. We had to clean it out, she says. And it's like, there's like bogeys and fingernails and all kinds of stuff at the bottom. And she said, I'm just never. Like, shouldn't.
A Chris: I asked.
B Neil: And she only Gets cleaned out like once a year.
A Chris: Yeah. Oh, no.
B Neil: And she had to do it with it should. I got the vacuum. Vacuum cleaner thing. And she said she did all the sweets and stuff would come out.
A Chris: Yeah, yeah.
B Neil: And then was vacuuming the bottom up and it was like clunking. Do you know what I mean? Like.
A Chris: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
B Neil: Flies and like. Yeah, it was just horrible. So she.
A Chris: Yeah, we should go to the cinema again because we, we had a bit of time but we like. We did that once.
B Neil: There's a bunch of stuff coming up, isn't it?
A Chris: Dune, June 3rd. Because we did the June 2nd.
B Neil: Yeah. June's coming up and Odyssey's out now. Oh yeah, I want to go see that. But it's a 15. I want to take Leo and I can't take Leo because he needs ID and I haven't got ID for him.
A Chris: Yeah, I've got.
B Neil: I don't have to go in there with his birth certificate.
A Chris: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
B Neil: It's not very rock.
A Chris: Put him some platform shoes on or something. Just get him a beard. Do the beard like in, you know, Team America.
B Neil: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's disguise. I do. I love Team America so much. And it is just so. I don't know whether it. Is it like. Is it like, like politically correct to. To like that again now?
A Chris: I don't know.
B Neil: Cuz it was really funny when it came out and it was. Oh yeah, that's really funny. And then, and then like it got to a point where it's like, no, no, you can't, you can't. You can't do that. But it is, it's like true.
A Chris: Yeah, it is true now, isn't it? Because truth.
B Neil: America. Yeah, America just kind of. If you got oil, will just bomb you. And I like President Trump bombing, like bombing, bombing peace into people. I just think there's such a. I don't know. I don't know whether he sees the, the comedy in it. Do you know what I mean? And I get that it's really serious and people are dying and I get that's really. Yeah, but. But you got to imagine that at some point that he's sitting at home on his gold toilet or I'm sure he's got a gold toilet. Or was it Elvis? Has a lot in common, isn't it? Between Elvis and Trump? Anyway, he'd be sitting at home on his gold toilet.
A Chris: Oh, there'd be a lot of people throwing things at the.
B Neil: And it'd be like. It'll be like. Do you know what is quite Funny. Bombing people into peace, isn't it? Like there's an irony. There's an irony.
A Chris: Yeah. Ye.
B Neil: But I don't, I wonder if he sees that. I wonder if he's like. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's. I mean, obviously I've got to do it, but I, you know, I get why people think it's funny. Or do you think he thinks. No. Yeah, well, there's nothing fun. There's nothing, there's no, there's nothing ironic about bombing people into.
A Chris: Yeah, no, I don't think it sounds irony.
B Neil: I don't think I quite like, I, I, Yeah, there's got to be a movie in this as well. Do you know? There's got to be a movie about Trump.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: Because, like, we like him or not. He's such a big character.
A Chris: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
B Neil: And changed the world around him. It's such a big influence on it. And I just hope that it's done by somebody with some, some comedic flair.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: Char to me, like, like Sasha Baron. Co. Yeah, he would do quite a good job with that, I think. Or Charlie. It's got to be, I think, done by somebody.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: Ben Stiller could do that. He could do that. This needs to be done by somebody who's gonna spot the, the, the subtle comedic bits in, in the serious nature of being, being that, Being the president.
A Chris: There was that lovely moment, wasn't there, this week, where there was the guy doing, mimicking him behind him.
B Neil: The thing is, you're like, like, he's, he's literally just, just bombed, like, you know, the, the Middle east massively. Right. And you're two feet away from him.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: Like taking the piss.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: I mean, so he, like. Yeah.
A Chris: Some serious.
B Neil: That's some balls, isn't it? Yeah. Jeremy, you totally on a list. You are, you know what I mean? You can imagine him going on. He's this dude, right? Add him to all of the lists, right?
A Chris: Public enemy number one.
B Neil: But you imagine, like, he goes to try and get a loan for a car or he tries to get into, you know, he tries to go on holiday to, like, the Bahamas and they're like, sorryman, you're on a watch list. But he would as well, you think, you know, is the president.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: It's totally not going to like, stoop that low. But he, I think he would and I think he, I think he, he, like, I think he would see that. I think he would see the fun in that. He'd be like, well, you were making fun of me.
A Chris: Yeah, yeah.
B Neil: Now you're in a, you know, penitentiary in Mexico. Sorry about that. Yeah, we could. Yeah, I don't really, I don't, I don't really understand global politics.
A Chris: No, I don't either.
B Neil: But I, I, I do, I do like comedy.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: And I think that, I think that
A Chris: there is comedic value.
B Neil: I think Mr. Trump has given the world quite a lot of comedy, but I think it's going to take a while.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: For people like Boris Johnson gave us a ton of that, but I think it took. It's taken the comedy writers quite a long time to, to, to be okay. To digest it.
A Chris: Oasis is cool again. It is, yeah, yeah. Like, they were not cool for a long time.
B Neil: They weren't.
A Chris: And now they're cool.
B Neil: Yeah, it's good. Liam Gallagher's very funny on X. Yeah. Which is, which is good. But, yeah, no, I think, yeah, I think, yeah, we're lacking a little bit of. I do like comedy and politics. I think if you're going to be, if you're going to be.
A Chris: Yeah, you're right. It's all gone a bit solemn, hasn't it? It's all gonna be grand.
B Neil: And so everyone's a little bit too pleased with themselves.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: And I think, you know, you want, you kind of want. Do you know, I like image.
A Chris: That was good one.
B Neil: I liked it. Remember when John Prescott punched that? John Prescott. I kind of want to return to that a little bit. I don't want.
A Chris: Yeah, sure.
B Neil: I mean, yeah, if you go, just give me that. You want those, you want those passionate politicians that. What did that guy say? Guy said something Tim did. I can't remember. John Prescott. And he just like stopped and then went back and smacked him on and I just thought that was.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: Do you know what I mean?
A Chris: Yeah, yeah. Humanity.
B Neil: Exactly. He was punching peace into that individual. Punching politics. Yeah, yeah, yeah, into, into that gentleman after it. So, you know. Okay, we're gonna go off piste again now. I, I did a bunch of consulting work for the police and it was. I, I absolutely loved the, like, the language they use when it would say. Yeah, it would say like, like, rather than like a stud on his face. It would be like a restrained, the individual approach. But it will be like, because of the, because of the pace notes that they have, they have, they have to stay within pace and they have to stay within the rules. Yeah. And they, like, they'll know that the, you know, the solicitor or whatever is going to complain and, you know, the bad guy will have done something and they'll have accidentally, you know, trodden on their fingers or. Yeah. And in the, in the notes it will say things like, you know, restrained the individual appropriately according to. And that will be what they, what they say. And I always thought that there's some comedy there as well.
A Chris: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
B Neil: Do you remember Jasper Carrot? I'm off from one now.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: Jasper Carrot used to do that in insurance.
A Chris: Yes.
B Neil: Things.
A Chris: Yeah, yeah.
B Neil: Where he said, he said, yeah, I saw the sad faced old gentleman as he bounced off the bonnet of my car. That kind of stuff. She's got to find this comedy there somewhere someone's gonna, someone's got to find that.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: I bet there's, I bet there's tons of comedy and police reports.
A Chris: Yes. Yeah.
B Neil: Usually about restraining people.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: Which is good.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: Taser. Taser, Taser, yeah.
A Chris: Should we do it?
B Neil: I think we're done. Yeah, yeah, sorry, sorry.