WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.240 --> 00:00:46.140 Sam. Rivology. 2 00:00:50.380 --> 00:00:52.860 It's. It is Riffology. We're Riffology. We're back. 3 00:00:52.940 --> 00:00:53.340 Back. 4 00:00:53.340 --> 00:00:59.620 It's been three weeks. Is it three weeks? It's been three weeks since we did Metallica puppets. I can't remember what happened. 5 00:00:59.620 --> 00:01:01.860 Mad. Like, loads of people listen to that all over the world. 6 00:01:01.860 --> 00:01:08.920 He says, I don't. I've got to a. With when I look at the stats for them. You know, when we first did the podcast, I used to look at the stats all the time. 7 00:01:08.920 --> 00:01:09.640 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 8 00:01:09.640 --> 00:01:12.520 And you. They'd be like, almost like one lesson. 9 00:01:13.240 --> 00:01:14.240 That's how to listen. 10 00:01:14.240 --> 00:01:17.240 It is. And it's like, oh, God, someone's listening. Yeah, someone's listening to it. And then. 11 00:01:17.240 --> 00:01:17.640 Yeah. 12 00:01:18.040 --> 00:01:25.560 Yeah. For the first week you might have three people listen to it, and then the next week five people. And you'd be like, this is going to be the best thing ever. 13 00:01:25.560 --> 00:01:26.360 Yeah. Yeah. 14 00:01:26.520 --> 00:01:39.580 Now there's enough people. Like there's somebody permanently listening to our show all the way around the world. So whenever. If, like whenever you think about it, somebody's listening to some. Some of the nonsense that we talk. That we've talked about. 15 00:01:39.580 --> 00:01:39.940 We talk. 16 00:01:39.940 --> 00:01:45.540 Absolutely. So when. When we first started this, it was so easy. 17 00:01:45.540 --> 00:01:45.940 Yeah. 18 00:01:45.940 --> 00:01:49.620 Because it's just me and you in this room and no one listens to it. 19 00:01:49.620 --> 00:01:49.900 Yeah. 20 00:01:49.900 --> 00:01:51.220 Yeah. And it's just. 21 00:01:51.300 --> 00:01:52.740 Let's be. It's just us hanging out. 22 00:01:52.740 --> 00:01:54.900 It is. And now. Now. 23 00:01:54.980 --> 00:01:55.540 Yeah. 24 00:01:55.540 --> 00:01:58.660 There are other people with us and that. I find that. 25 00:01:58.660 --> 00:02:00.100 I find it really hard. Yeah. 26 00:02:00.100 --> 00:02:02.900 Find it a bit overwhelming sometimes when you kind of think, you know. 27 00:02:03.160 --> 00:02:03.560 Yeah. 28 00:02:03.640 --> 00:02:05.480 Somebody. Because it's. It's like. 29 00:02:05.560 --> 00:02:11.160 Like more people around the world listen to it than the people that are in the country where we're from. That's the bit that I got. 30 00:02:11.160 --> 00:02:11.960 That's the madness. 31 00:02:12.280 --> 00:02:12.680 Yeah. 32 00:02:12.680 --> 00:02:18.040 Yeah, it is. I like, I do know. I do love, like the democratization of that. 33 00:02:18.040 --> 00:02:19.640 Yeah. Podcast sort of thing. 34 00:02:19.640 --> 00:02:35.190 I love all of that Internet. I think the Internet's done a lot of bad things. I'm. I'm sure. But so it reminds me of the Babel Fish. For those that are Hitchhiker's Guide fans. It was caused more. More and bloody awards than any other thing. But, like connects people together. 35 00:02:35.270 --> 00:02:35.750 Yeah. 36 00:02:35.830 --> 00:02:43.990 And there's no limit. Like, it. It just kind of, you know, those like little. Little islands, if you like, of people. It gets rid of that. 37 00:02:43.990 --> 00:02:44.350 Yeah. 38 00:02:44.350 --> 00:02:53.030 Yeah. You can. You can find your people. And I've always really liked that. But yeah, I do find this. This now is at a point where it's a bit. I don't. 39 00:02:53.510 --> 00:02:55.830 What do we do? Have we actually got to plan stuff now? 40 00:02:55.830 --> 00:02:56.190 Because. 41 00:02:56.190 --> 00:02:58.390 Well, P. Word. 42 00:02:58.390 --> 00:02:58.870 Yeah. 43 00:02:59.030 --> 00:03:00.230 Because we could plan stuff. 44 00:03:00.230 --> 00:03:00.510 Yeah. 45 00:03:00.510 --> 00:03:01.510 I think it'd be as good. 46 00:03:01.720 --> 00:03:16.680 I don't. We've tried planning. The thing is, we plan. We're dead good at planning, then we just completely ignore it and we're like just kind of, you know, glide on by the plan. Yeah, but it's weird. Like, you know, if someone pays you to do something. 47 00:03:16.760 --> 00:03:17.240 Yeah. 48 00:03:17.560 --> 00:03:21.480 There are things that I love to do and the second someone says, oh. 49 00:03:21.480 --> 00:03:22.600 Yeah, it's not fun anymore, is it? 50 00:03:22.600 --> 00:03:24.480 I'm like, oh, I'm just taking. I don't like it anymore. 51 00:03:24.480 --> 00:03:25.320 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 52 00:03:25.400 --> 00:03:26.920 And I don't want that to happen to this. 53 00:03:26.920 --> 00:03:27.320 No. 54 00:03:27.800 --> 00:03:29.200 So, yeah. Don't ever pay. 55 00:03:29.200 --> 00:03:29.880 Don't ever pay. 56 00:03:31.320 --> 00:03:33.000 Anyway, we do an extreme. 57 00:03:33.000 --> 00:03:33.470 Yeah. 58 00:03:33.700 --> 00:03:41.220 Doing the. We should have done porno graffiti, really. Because that's the big one. That's the one everybody knows. But. 59 00:03:42.020 --> 00:03:42.900 Oh, there's a but. 60 00:03:43.140 --> 00:03:44.860 I think this has got. This is more fun. 61 00:03:44.860 --> 00:03:45.540 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 62 00:03:45.540 --> 00:03:50.020 This has got a better story. It's got. I think this one. 63 00:03:50.100 --> 00:03:51.380 This one was in Bill and Ted. 64 00:03:51.700 --> 00:03:53.380 Yeah, it was in Bill and Ted. 65 00:03:53.380 --> 00:03:53.780 Yeah. 66 00:03:53.860 --> 00:04:12.560 It's in Stranger Things, which is how we got to it. The journey for us, we. We were talking about when we did Metallica album. We were talking about Master of Puppets and that being covered. It wasn't just in Stranger Things. It was like a pivotal. It was like a pivotal story point where. Where he was playing Master of Puppets. 67 00:04:13.440 --> 00:04:16.080 And then killed a bad running at the hill. That one. 68 00:04:20.560 --> 00:04:30.080 I don't. I don't like that very much. Yeah, no, it's not true. I don't not like that. But it's. It's, you know, when something gets played over, something that you're not a big fan of. 69 00:04:30.080 --> 00:04:30.480 Yeah. 70 00:04:30.480 --> 00:04:32.080 And it gets played over and over and over. 71 00:04:32.080 --> 00:04:32.720 Yeah, yeah. 72 00:04:33.280 --> 00:05:06.110 It's got on my nerves anyway, that. So that got played in Stranger Things and that's how we got here. Because Play With Me not. Yeah, Play With Me was in that and it was in Bill and Ted. And it reminded me of the. The story. Not necessarily just the story, but the. The scene that was existing around this time, the late 80s, early 90s, where kind of hair metal and hard rock was kind of just on the verge of disappearing. And then you had. I think this, for me, extreme or one of the last bands. 73 00:05:06.190 --> 00:05:06.670 Yes. 74 00:05:06.670 --> 00:05:09.870 To catch that and. And rock it. 75 00:05:09.870 --> 00:05:10.150 Yeah. 76 00:05:10.150 --> 00:05:14.510 Right. If. I think if this album had. Have come out Three years before. 77 00:05:14.670 --> 00:05:15.150 Yeah. 78 00:05:15.310 --> 00:05:17.270 There better have been twice as big. 79 00:05:17.270 --> 00:05:19.070 As really they were, because they would. 80 00:05:19.070 --> 00:05:20.910 Have been right in the middle of that scene. 81 00:05:20.990 --> 00:05:21.710 Yeah, yeah. 82 00:05:21.710 --> 00:05:33.460 You know, but then you've got. This was 1989, and as we heard at the intro to our show. Yes, young Nuno can twiddle a guitar. He's pretty. He's. 83 00:05:33.930 --> 00:05:44.090 I don't think. I'll be honest, I don't think there are many better guitarists on the planet than Nuno. Nuno beating core. Right. Was Betancore being called Bangle? What is it? 84 00:05:44.090 --> 00:05:46.010 I say Betancore, but I say betting call. 85 00:05:46.010 --> 00:05:47.570 I just said being called them for no reason. 86 00:05:47.570 --> 00:05:48.450 I'm quite common. 87 00:05:48.450 --> 00:05:50.730 Yeah. Nuno Betancore. I'd say Betancore. 88 00:05:52.250 --> 00:05:55.130 He's like. 89 00:05:55.130 --> 00:06:06.740 He's like a very special human being with a guitar. There's no one better, honestly, in terms of, like, you know, people talk about Jeff Beck and they talk about, you know, legend, like Clapton. They can't do what Nuno does. 90 00:06:06.740 --> 00:06:56.010 They're different. So don't like. It's a really good point. And because I go through phases with, like, shreddy guitar. Right. So. So like Joe Satriani, you know, and. And his, you know, crew of. Of of people, Steve V. And, you know, that lot. And sometimes I really like it and sometimes I don't like it quite as much, but I find. I find. I don't put extreme in that category. No, no jumping. It's not twiddly. Like, often that stuff is really great. I love Joe Satriani, but it's. It's like you have to be in the movie. Yeah, kind of. It feels like. It feels like the music exists as a vehicle to show off playing the guitar. And the guitar playing is awesome. And the music is awesome. But that's the way around. It feels to me. It feels like they're, you know, those records. 91 00:06:56.010 --> 00:06:57.490 Guitarist with some backing. 92 00:06:57.490 --> 00:07:03.290 Yeah, those records were pressed to. To show off the guitar. I don't get that here with. With extreme. 93 00:07:03.290 --> 00:07:07.350 No, no, it's a ban. And him doing that thing. 94 00:07:07.350 --> 00:07:07.830 Yeah. 95 00:07:07.910 --> 00:07:09.150 Part of the fabric of that thing. 96 00:07:09.150 --> 00:07:11.990 And as much as we. So we kicked off with little girls. 97 00:07:11.990 --> 00:07:12.230 Yeah. 98 00:07:12.230 --> 00:07:23.470 And the twiddly, widdly bits at the beginning of that. Which are bonkers. Absolutely bonkers guitar playing. But the vast majority of the album is. There is bits of that in there. 99 00:07:23.470 --> 00:07:24.110 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 100 00:07:24.110 --> 00:07:26.750 But the vast majority of. It's just really well structured songs. 101 00:07:26.750 --> 00:07:27.150 Yeah. 102 00:07:27.150 --> 00:07:31.350 And then there's bits that they've kind of carved out where Nuno can Go a bit. Bit nuts. 103 00:07:31.350 --> 00:07:31.750 Yeah. 104 00:07:32.580 --> 00:07:53.700 There. You mentioned Jeff Beck. Yeah, I love Jeff Beck. It doesn't. It's like, for him, it's like the guitar is expressive, but in a different way. And I think across all of these, like, really virtuoso guitar players, I don't imagine that they think for one second about moving their hand on the fretboard. 105 00:07:53.780 --> 00:07:54.180 No. 106 00:07:54.580 --> 00:07:58.100 I just think it's just this thing that comes out of them and, like. 107 00:07:58.180 --> 00:07:59.860 It'S like an extension of the self almost. 108 00:07:59.860 --> 00:08:04.760 Yeah. But it's what's in them, and that's kind of the magic, almost. It's kind of that. 109 00:08:04.760 --> 00:08:11.920 Yeah. For me, there's him, there's Nuno, and there's Guthrie Gon. And they're the two. For me. Oh, wow. They're the two. The two guys that just for some, somehow. 110 00:08:12.080 --> 00:08:12.480 Yeah. 111 00:08:12.480 --> 00:08:20.720 You know, I remember my. My grand. Right. My grand used to say, say about Hank Marvin, and she used to say, Hank Marvin could make that guitar speak. 112 00:08:20.720 --> 00:08:21.440 Oh, yeah. 113 00:08:21.760 --> 00:08:29.240 She. She was really like. That was her thing. She. She associated with that. Like, it was quite good. Hank Marvin seems like a nice man. 114 00:08:29.240 --> 00:08:29.600 Yeah. 115 00:08:29.600 --> 00:09:14.780 You know, I mean, this. The guitar came a long way after. He obviously opened a huge door for everyone like this. Like. Like Nuno and. And Guthrie, they can make the guitar speak. That. That. Like that. Like that. They're. What they create is as much narrative as it is guitar. It's. It's as much a story as it is a kind of piece of music. And I just think, like, I just. It's that solo in Drive Home, that Steven Wilson song. And then with this, it's the beginning of that. I mean, it's almost like what Hendrix did with the Star Spangled, you know, the stuff that Eddie Van Halen did. And you can sort of see, you know, it's from that lineage of. Of guitar kind of mastery and using guitar as a kind of. I don't know, it's like. It's like a. It's like a fanfare almost, isn't it? 116 00:09:14.780 --> 00:09:15.300 Like this. 117 00:09:15.300 --> 00:09:26.460 Is this. This kind of like, moment of guitar, like, Eruption is for Van Halen. And then you hear that and go, now this Valhalla. I can imagine Van Halen watching this guy and going, oh, yeah, all right, mate, you've got that one. 118 00:09:26.940 --> 00:09:34.320 You know, it feels to me like there are, like. There are guitarists who I think are incredible. It's like Alex Skolnick from Testament, right? 119 00:09:34.320 --> 00:09:34.840 Yeah, yeah. 120 00:09:35.400 --> 00:09:54.760 He's incredible. Like, absolutely incredible. But there's like, this tier above, like, he's He's a. He's like a phenomenal guitar player. Like, just incredible. You see him play. He can play all kinds of different styles, and he's just excellent. Really good at writing music, really good at playing, really competent technically. He's not Nuno. 121 00:09:54.920 --> 00:09:55.320 No. 122 00:09:55.480 --> 00:10:01.040 And there's a few others I put in here. Eddie. Eddie Van Halen, obviously, Tom Morello. 123 00:10:01.040 --> 00:10:01.560 Yeah. 124 00:10:01.960 --> 00:10:06.920 Do you know that there are these, like. They've. There's just something else. 125 00:10:06.920 --> 00:10:20.400 Yeah. It's about the expression of what they do though, isn't it? It's to do with. It's to do with the character of their playing as much. It is about the technique and the. You know, the kind. It's as much about the. I don't know. There's something very human about the way those guys play guitar. 126 00:10:20.400 --> 00:10:47.250 I think Nuno particularly as well. I find that he has this ability. He's kind of like a chameleon. So he can play almost with any style. And I've seen. For those lucky. Look. Lucky enough to have seen him play. I've seen him play a few times in different bands and he is never anything but exceptional. He was. He played Black Sabbath, you know, the end. 127 00:10:48.210 --> 00:10:48.850 Yes, he did. 128 00:10:49.490 --> 00:11:06.620 He played some stuff there. Yeah. Which was like, just. Just incredible. But I've seen him do, like, what, non rock and non hard rock stuff as well, almost pop music. And he's just. I don't know, he just. He just fits in with whichever bunch of musicians you stick him with. 129 00:11:06.620 --> 00:11:07.500 Yeah, yeah. It just works. 130 00:11:07.500 --> 00:11:16.060 He's got this ability to still be like, virtuoso, twiddly guitar, but not. But not to take it. Not to take it over, necessarily. 131 00:11:16.220 --> 00:11:16.940 Yeah, yeah. 132 00:11:17.020 --> 00:12:34.210 Carved out a bit of space for him to do his thing. And then the rest of the time he's just in this supporting role where the music. He starts supporting everybody else. And. I don't know, I just think there's something really cool about him. This record particularly. He was 22, which I find really hard. I do. I think there's an interesting progression with Extreme as well. If you listen to these. The records, certainly the first three, so this one and Pornographiti and then three sides. There's two things that happen for me. One is Nuno, like, in this record, I think you can hear Nuno's influences, like, really clearly. He obviously loves Eddie Van Halen. There's a lot of kind of, you know, copying's the wrong word, but there's. There's. There's a lot of. He's Got a lot of love for Eddie Van Halen's guitar playing. And he's kind of showing how he. He can do that. Yeah, yeah, you can still. Like, his character's still here through this record. Yeah, there's a lot of influences from. From others and then. And also the, like. The lyrics and content here, again, I think are really interesting because as they progress through, like right here on the COVID of the album is all big hair. Lots of, you know, they kind of f. Into the. And they were dumped into the hair metal. 133 00:12:34.290 --> 00:12:34.770 Yeah. 134 00:12:34.930 --> 00:13:26.750 You know, kind of the. The poisons of the world and you know, all of the kind of big. Big glam bands that we've. Many of which we've covered already on. On this show. But they were different for me. They were. The song titles are. I think if you look at them, you kind of think, oh, yeah, you know, little girls. You think, oh, yeah, this is just a late 80s hair metal band. But when you listen to it, they were talking about the way girls are, like, perceived and treated by boys. Right. Whereas, you know, Motley Crew were not. Motley. Motley Crew were not doing that. Motley Crew were doing it from a slightly different perspective. And I think it's interesting that the, like, the Motley Crue stuff of this era hasn't aged lyrically. Hasn't aged particularly well. If you look at like, girls, girls, girls. And you even doctor Feel Good. Not aged that well. 135 00:13:26.750 --> 00:13:27.150 Yeah. 136 00:13:27.150 --> 00:13:40.430 Like, lyrically, this isn't too bad for me. This. It fits in that era. You kind of think, first of all, like, it might be, but it isn't. Gary Sharon talks about the lyrics on this record being embarrassing. 137 00:13:40.510 --> 00:13:41.270 Yeah, yeah. 138 00:13:41.270 --> 00:14:12.890 And. And then. And I was also talking about that progression. So you've got Nuno wearing his heart on his sleeve a little bit here with his influences. Gary's trying to fit in lyrically, trying to fit in with the. His. The other artists, the other kind of hard rock artists around them. And they're. They're from Boston, influenced by Aerosmith. Yeah, this is obvious. The big LA scene that's happening for glam. There's a particular sound, I think, that comes out of Boston. The difference. You know, it's funny. Cause a lot of the bands that come out of LA aren't really out of la. You know, everybody moves there because the. 139 00:14:12.890 --> 00:14:14.090 Record companies are all there. 140 00:14:14.410 --> 00:14:58.790 I think the thing about Boston is because Ariston's from there, definitely more of an influence. We feel like we have to follow in their footsteps in order to keep everything going. We're Definitely proud of coming out, of just staying home, you know, breaking out of Boston. I think this decade of rock and roll owes. Owes a debt to the boys from Aerosmith, because to Guns N Roses, to probably any of the bands. They're all influenced by us. Definitely influenced by a world just like the rest of them. It's tough not to be influenced by them. They're a very influential band. One of the greatest. 141 00:14:58.960 --> 00:15:00.080 Yeah. For sure. Legend. 142 00:15:00.400 --> 00:15:02.480 And then you got Pornographiti, which came after. 143 00:15:02.640 --> 00:15:03.040 Yeah. 144 00:15:03.040 --> 00:15:07.120 Now porno graffiti. I think Nuno's found his style at that point. He. 145 00:15:07.120 --> 00:15:07.880 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 146 00:15:07.880 --> 00:15:51.090 He sounds like Nuno there. He doesn't sound like Eddie Van Halen. Doesn't sound like anybody. That's Nuno being Nuno. I think he's. He's developed this confidence and style of playing and Gary has developed this ability to. Lyrically, he's being more insightful, I think. And the lyrics are much more thoughtful. Much more, you know, not like rage political, but they're kind of talking about society and, you know, that kind of thing. And that, for me, is where they. Whether, you know, that then pornography. That's extreme. Like, this is that first step. It feels like a prototype. 147 00:15:51.480 --> 00:15:51.720 Yes. 148 00:15:51.720 --> 00:15:55.320 I mean, this feels like other. Mean, incredible. 149 00:15:55.400 --> 00:15:55.880 Yeah. 150 00:15:56.840 --> 00:16:05.680 Which is what. Which is why I really wanted to cover it, because it's kind of, you know, we talk about that point in time. Like, Stream would go on to become like a very different band to. 151 00:16:05.680 --> 00:16:06.040 Yes. 152 00:16:06.040 --> 00:16:06.880 This one, I think. 153 00:16:06.880 --> 00:16:07.720 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 154 00:16:08.040 --> 00:16:13.480 Still the same people still then. But this, that. This is that formative, you know, where they first come together. 155 00:16:13.480 --> 00:16:13.840 Yeah. 156 00:16:13.840 --> 00:16:18.560 And then pornography is like. I mean, where they get to. 157 00:16:18.560 --> 00:16:19.600 If you like. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 158 00:16:19.600 --> 00:16:25.060 You know, but. And that stays with them because even Six, which came out last year. 159 00:16:25.060 --> 00:16:25.540 Yeah. 160 00:16:27.220 --> 00:16:34.180 It carries on that, you know, I mean, they did. They don't meander too far from where they got to with pornography. It's still that kind of. 161 00:16:34.180 --> 00:16:37.220 And I know they had it. They had a bit, obviously, a couple of big breaks and stuff. 162 00:16:37.220 --> 00:16:37.980 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 163 00:16:37.980 --> 00:16:47.060 You know, time, time away. But it's amazing that as a band, they're still going, you know, still doing stuff. Still. Still. And even Nuno, when, you know, when he isn't doing the extreme stuff. 164 00:16:47.060 --> 00:16:47.340 Yeah. 165 00:16:47.340 --> 00:16:50.580 I don't know about the other guys quite so much, but certainly with him, he was out about doing all sorts. 166 00:16:50.580 --> 00:16:51.620 Oh, he does. He'll do anything. 167 00:16:51.620 --> 00:16:52.020 Yeah. 168 00:16:52.260 --> 00:17:08.560 Anybody's like Corey Tay, he'll play anywhere you've got a wedding going on. Just email Corey Taylor or Nuno. And they'll just turn up. But I remember. So when Six, their latest record, Six came out, there was a track on there called Rise. 169 00:17:08.560 --> 00:17:09.520 Yeah, yeah. 170 00:17:09.600 --> 00:17:33.149 And it had a solo in a Nuno solo. And it like broke the world. I mean, people were caught. You know, you get like WhatsApp messages from people going, you, you. Have you seen this? I was getting like phone calls like in the middle of the day from people who were just like. Like wetting themselves over, you know, the. The buzz surrounding the band still. And for a band that this, this record, it's. This debut didn't sell. 171 00:17:33.389 --> 00:17:33.789 No. 172 00:17:33.869 --> 00:17:37.549 But no one bought it when no one really knew much about it. I suppose it's a very. 173 00:17:38.029 --> 00:18:03.880 Yeah, I'm. It's interesting what you said, because I suppose around this time, my assumption is, is that this is kind of. You've got Def Leppard coming along, got Bon Jovi coming along. You've got, you know that. That kind of era. Like that, like there's. There's a group of different bands taking the limelight away from just before, weren't they crew and the. That sort of thing. So they were almost like in this limbo y crossover bit before that stuff came through. Is that a fair thing? 174 00:18:03.880 --> 00:18:06.280 They were just too late, I think. 175 00:18:06.280 --> 00:18:06.680 Yeah. 176 00:18:06.680 --> 00:18:13.920 Extreme was. So if you think about Def Leppard, I mean, Hysteria, Def Leppard were already a big band by hysteria, which was 87. 177 00:18:14.000 --> 00:18:14.480 Yeah. 178 00:18:15.800 --> 00:18:19.960 You had Guns N Roses. Yeah. Just caught the end of the 80s. 179 00:18:20.280 --> 00:18:20.680 Yeah. 180 00:18:20.680 --> 00:18:41.400 You had. I mean, obviously you'd got like Kiss and Aerosmith and all of those kinds of bands that were already like big. But then across la there were just massive hair metal bands, hard rock bands that were. That were there and established and really, really, you know, so they were already established with a fan base and stuff. And then Extreme came along in 89. 181 00:18:41.560 --> 00:18:41.980 Yeah. 182 00:18:42.610 --> 00:18:44.530 And then if you think about like Time wise. 183 00:18:44.530 --> 00:18:45.410 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 184 00:18:45.490 --> 00:18:50.930 You know, the. The. The world just moves on a little bit because you've got you moving into grunge. 185 00:18:51.010 --> 00:18:51.450 Yeah. 186 00:18:51.450 --> 00:18:57.170 Across. Across the early 1991. 92. You've got kind of Nirvana and you. And. 187 00:18:59.090 --> 00:19:02.370 And of course that's where pornography comes in. It just explodes, doesn't it? 188 00:19:02.610 --> 00:19:11.890 Yeah, that. That comes in and does. Does incredibly well. Yeah, just below. Absolutely blows up. But it. But it's. I think it's one of those crossovers, like more than words. 189 00:19:11.890 --> 00:19:12.330 Yes. 190 00:19:12.330 --> 00:19:21.810 I think they realized that there was a. An appetite, if you like, for those. Yeah, for those slower songs. 191 00:19:21.810 --> 00:19:22.130 Yes. 192 00:19:22.130 --> 00:19:45.580 Which other bands, just like Warren nailed this as well, and a bunch of other bands that I think were just really good at this kind of slow ballad. So they did the kind of faster and upbeat. Yeah, you know, virtuoso guitar, kind of, you know, squealy Eddie Van Halen stuff. But then they would do these acoustic tracks and it was there. It was more than words that blew up. 193 00:19:45.580 --> 00:19:46.740 Yeah, it went crazy, didn't it? 194 00:19:46.740 --> 00:19:57.100 Yeah. Off Pornography. And I remember that. I mean, I remember the. The kids at school or everyone or if you had a guitar, you could play more than. Yeah, we all played more than Worlds because it. 195 00:19:57.100 --> 00:20:02.740 But then there. But there were. You know that. There's a number of songs from that era. You know, every. Every Rose is a Storm. 196 00:20:02.740 --> 00:20:03.180 Yeah. 197 00:20:05.100 --> 00:20:09.040 You'Ve got Swee of Mind. You've got, you know, all these kind of rock ballads. 198 00:20:09.040 --> 00:20:11.400 Yeah, that are absolute standards. Huge. 199 00:20:11.480 --> 00:20:16.840 And they were all around that. That sort of. Sort of within. Within a few years of each other, weren't they? All of them, like, more. 200 00:20:17.080 --> 00:20:35.720 Yeah, yeah, it was. There was a definite appetite for that, which was huge. But, yeah, I mean, it's in. But it's just interesting for me the way this. This record progresses, because there are bits in here that are. I don't know, I just think really, really cool. Like Teacher's Pet, I think, is a really, really cool track. 201 00:20:35.720 --> 00:20:36.600 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 202 00:20:37.330 --> 00:20:42.490 Mother's really, really, like, super cool. I mean, Mother's kind of like a. Like a classic glam metal. 203 00:20:42.490 --> 00:20:43.050 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 204 00:20:43.050 --> 00:21:17.320 The track always kind of feels like it's straight. It could be straight off the strip, you know, it's really, really cool. Yeah, Cool track. And then there are others that just feel slightly different. You know, they've got slightly different tone to them and then. And. But. But that's kind of where. That's where they would go. Yeah, they're kind of not quite as much. Not quite as much of the hair metal stuff. And then they brought some funk in. Yeah, there's a bit of it here too, actually. There's kind of. It's quite funky in places. Some of the bass lines are quite cool. 205 00:21:17.320 --> 00:21:20.160 Yeah, but it certainly became that later on, didn't it? 206 00:21:20.160 --> 00:22:27.940 It's a bit under the covers a little bit. Yeah. And I don't know whether this was Max or their producer Mac. I don't know whether that was him. Just kind of not bringing that. Yeah. Thinking, oh, this is a. A hair metal band in the late 80s. No one wants to hear funky guitar. Funky bass guitar work. But then that would. That would come on in Pornography, where they would Kind of bring, bring more of that out. But it's here, it's just kind of. There's like a veneer over it. Yeah, quite. It's not this, it's not the shining star. Whereas I think in pornography they let it out of the box a little bit and. Yeah, you know, there's some really. I know there's just some really cool, cool, cool bits in, in, in pornography where they go a bit more funky. But this is like. I don't know, it's not them learning the craft and not learning the craft, but, you know, it's, it's, it's like they're figuring things out. It's an album where looking back on it today. Yeah, it makes sense. You can, you can see that they were figuring things out. They were figuring out who they were and how they wanted to record and, you know, in. Given that they were in the, in the time that it was recorded. 207 00:22:27.940 --> 00:22:28.340 Yeah. 208 00:22:28.340 --> 00:22:35.020 You know, so they were desperate to fit in, desperate to be successful. So they were like. They were trying to fit in with their peers. 209 00:22:35.180 --> 00:22:35.740 Yeah. 210 00:22:36.140 --> 00:22:38.180 While trying to figure out who they were. 211 00:22:38.180 --> 00:22:38.780 Yeah, yeah. 212 00:22:38.780 --> 00:22:49.140 You know, and then with, with pornographiti, I think they'd kind of, I don't know, it, it Feel that record after this one just feels like they've just gone, well, this is, this is who we are. Yeah, this is who we are. 213 00:22:49.140 --> 00:22:49.780 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 214 00:22:49.780 --> 00:22:58.350 Like it or lump the confidence if you like to, to bully the producer. Do you know what I mean? Where they're just like, no, no, actually, no, this is how it's going to. 215 00:22:58.350 --> 00:23:17.810 Be yeah, yeah, yeah. 216 00:23:24.360 --> 00:23:43.430 Hey, kid, I'm talking to you what am I supposed to do? You know that you're something special that's something you already knew hey kids got something to say but you won't listen anyway I'll let you out, you, but you. 217 00:23:44.140 --> 00:23:49.980 Every day we think your head is. 218 00:23:50.220 --> 00:23:55.180 Getting bigger and bigger and bigger. 219 00:23:57.420 --> 00:24:00.500 Hey, give some good advice to bring your. 220 00:24:00.500 --> 00:24:03.780 British down a size Some honesty would. 221 00:24:03.780 --> 00:24:05.940 Suit you better so why don't you. 222 00:24:05.940 --> 00:24:06.780 Give it a try? 223 00:24:08.220 --> 00:24:09.260 Thank you. 224 00:24:19.640 --> 00:24:36.920 Hey kid, you miss it? It's about it a little bit Stepping on that lift up People like you don't even give a. Hey, kid, you have it all Standing proud on top of the world, don't you? Now stop. 225 00:24:37.000 --> 00:25:01.440 Bigger than. Bigger and bigger and bigger we think you should be taught some manners Manners, manners. 226 00:25:03.690 --> 00:25:18.970 Hey kid, some good advice to bring your britches down a size Somebody else think would serve you better so why don't you give it a try? Hey, kid, with your head up at the cloud. 227 00:25:22.970 --> 00:26:56.530 Come out, hey, kitty. Come out, Come down, come down, come down Looking at. 228 00:26:56.530 --> 00:28:02.510 If you ask anybody in the record that works with us, we're definitely honest people, we're definitely sincere and we say what's on our mind. And whether sometimes it hurts us or it doesn't hurt us, we'd rather. I'd rather go to bed at night knowing we're doing what we love to do. And if it happens, great. You know, we want it to happen. That's why we're doing this. We wanted to get out as many people, but if it doesn't, I'd rather be happy with what we did. At least know that we did it. All right, we did it what we wanted to do. We weren't being phony about it. We weren't doing something to stay safe and make sure we do that. That instant insta hit, you know, I feel that our songs are not your typical metal stuff, but I think that they are singable and I think that they are capable of being on the radio. I don't think they're like progressive rock. It's not like, yes, we pleased the label with enough songs on this record to go ahead and do some experimentation without them going, oh, no. You know. You know, we made them happy with Decadence, Dance and stuff like that. So that gave us enough control to do some out to Lunch stuff that they would consider. Out to lunch. I always remember when we did Oasis. 229 00:28:02.670 --> 00:28:03.150 Yes. 230 00:28:03.150 --> 00:28:06.030 And they went to record Definitely. Maybe twice. 231 00:28:06.110 --> 00:28:06.590 Yeah. 232 00:28:07.470 --> 00:28:09.470 And the first recording of it was just crappy. 233 00:28:09.470 --> 00:28:09.950 Yeah. 234 00:28:09.950 --> 00:28:20.270 And they were like. I mean, I don't know. What do you know? I mean, I just write the songs, play the guitar. What? I don't know anything about recording. I don't know what it's supposed to sound like. Don't care. 235 00:28:20.270 --> 00:28:20.750 Yeah. 236 00:28:20.750 --> 00:28:31.570 Do you know what I mean? And, like, there's a. There's a difference. Difference. Where then you. You hear Oasis today about the. The like anal attention to detail that would come for albums after. 237 00:28:31.570 --> 00:28:32.810 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 238 00:28:32.970 --> 00:28:34.410 But that first one, they're like. I just. 239 00:28:34.410 --> 00:28:36.570 I just wrote the song and recorded it. 240 00:28:38.570 --> 00:28:40.930 Yeah, you tell me. You tell me how to record it. I don't know. 241 00:28:40.930 --> 00:28:43.530 Yeah, eventually. 242 00:28:43.530 --> 00:28:49.570 Yeah, he did. Owen. Yeah, he did. He did the second. He did the second recording eventually, but. 243 00:28:49.570 --> 00:28:51.370 He did the second recording of Definitely. Maybe. 244 00:28:51.370 --> 00:28:53.770 Yeah. Because the first one was a disaster, wasn't it? Yeah. 245 00:28:53.770 --> 00:28:54.170 And then. 246 00:28:54.410 --> 00:29:07.910 And involved with the second one. But I think there's some of that here where the band have gone in incredible Guitar players, you know, incredible musicians with the best. Pat Badges are one of the most. My favorite rock names ever. 247 00:29:08.550 --> 00:29:11.630 Yeah, I think you. You should like, just rename yourself to Badger. 248 00:29:11.630 --> 00:29:21.990 I love it. I was telling Chris about the story that had, like, years and years and years ago, my friend Matt used to call the kettle, like the water otter. 249 00:29:22.630 --> 00:29:23.030 Right. 250 00:29:23.030 --> 00:29:26.470 So it got called the beaver because it was a water otter. 251 00:29:26.470 --> 00:29:26.950 Yeah. 252 00:29:27.030 --> 00:29:39.350 So that's what. So that. So you. The. We would say, oh, go and put the beaver on. And then we had a guy started to work for Matt and was it. 253 00:29:39.350 --> 00:29:40.510 That he didn't quite get the joke? 254 00:29:40.510 --> 00:29:58.090 Yeah, he didn't quite get the joke and used to get beaver and badger confused. So he would say, trying to fit in, can't put the badger on. And we all thought it was the funniest thing ever. And we were going, you can't call it the badger. The joke is that it's a water otter and that's a beaver. So you put the beaver on, not the badger. 255 00:29:58.090 --> 00:30:04.210 Was it at the point, though, where. Where it got us so long you found it really hard to broach it? Yeah, well, he said badger so many times. 256 00:30:04.210 --> 00:30:19.010 Yeah. And he was such a nice guy as well. So we did have the conversation like twice. And then. And then he kept calling it the badger. So then, like, only five years later, we're all still calling it the badger. And then people come in. People, like, come in. 257 00:30:19.010 --> 00:30:19.610 Yeah, yeah. 258 00:30:19.610 --> 00:30:31.990 And somebody would just say, oh, put the badge on. Why'd you call the kettle the badger? And, well, you know, it doesn't. Guy doesn't work here anymore, but. And it was like. Yeah, it went on and on and on. 259 00:30:31.990 --> 00:30:34.110 So I think I've got an idea for a product line. 260 00:30:34.190 --> 00:30:34.710 Have you? 261 00:30:34.710 --> 00:30:35.230 Yeah, yeah. 262 00:30:35.230 --> 00:30:35.990 Badger, Kettles. 263 00:30:35.990 --> 00:30:39.510 Yes. It's brilliant. Badger, everything. Just put. Put it in the badger. 264 00:30:39.510 --> 00:30:39.990 Put it. 265 00:30:39.990 --> 00:30:43.110 Remember that could be. It could be the fridge, it could be the washing machine. 266 00:30:43.110 --> 00:30:52.400 Do you remember the YouTube thing? Bad badger. Badger, Badger, badger, badger, badger mushroom. Yeah, I liked that as well. See, I think he thought that's where we were going with yes. 267 00:30:52.400 --> 00:30:53.200 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 268 00:30:53.200 --> 00:30:56.520 And it wasn't the water otter in the badger. 269 00:30:56.840 --> 00:30:58.360 Sorry, right, I forgot. 270 00:30:58.360 --> 00:31:07.320 I've kind of forgot where I was going. But Pat Badger, I really, really like that. Pat Badger. Some people have rock and roll names, don't they? 271 00:31:07.320 --> 00:31:07.960 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 272 00:31:07.960 --> 00:31:08.920 Born for greatness. 273 00:31:08.920 --> 00:31:09.880 Yeah, absolutely. 274 00:31:09.880 --> 00:31:11.920 And that's. That's. That's absolutely one of them. 275 00:31:11.920 --> 00:31:20.770 That's the question I had, because I don't know. I've not Done any research as ever, obviously. Is it still the same line lineup? 276 00:31:21.810 --> 00:31:55.070 Pretty much. I can't remember. I'll have to go and look. I, I, they, there were some lineup changes. They stayed together for the first three records, I think. And then there were some changes musically. I think that this band has something new and fresh to offer to, to an audience. We, we hope to. We've taken our, our influences and become extreme with this mesh of, mesh of bo bodies here. And we hope it's taken a step further and to be around for a long time. So you, so you people can't get rid of us. People in there. All those people in there. 277 00:31:55.310 --> 00:32:02.990 I wasn't sure how tonight I was gonna go right, well, because, yeah, we've got the wrong. Like there's one can of Coke Zero. I don't know where the other can is. 278 00:32:03.310 --> 00:32:05.630 Okay. It's been. Someone's been in the Bongo Cokes. 279 00:32:05.630 --> 00:32:08.750 Yes, I think they have. I think, I think, I think they might have rumbled our Bongo Coke. 280 00:32:08.750 --> 00:32:09.390 Who's done that? 281 00:32:09.390 --> 00:32:11.630 I don't know. We'll have to keep an eye on it. We'll have to just. 282 00:32:11.630 --> 00:32:12.470 I don't like it. 283 00:32:12.470 --> 00:32:14.110 I think we'll have to put them in a particular place. 284 00:32:14.110 --> 00:32:14.950 Yeah. And see if they move. 285 00:32:14.950 --> 00:32:15.670 And then see if they move. 286 00:32:15.670 --> 00:32:17.070 I think we could drug them them. 287 00:32:20.190 --> 00:32:23.030 So instead of the Coke Zero because they didn't have any at the shop. 288 00:32:23.030 --> 00:32:23.390 Yeah. 289 00:32:23.390 --> 00:32:24.790 How to buy Coke? Diet Coke. 290 00:32:24.790 --> 00:32:30.990 I, I don't mind Diet Coke. I'm okay with that. But then you've got Skittles Sours and then you've got green fruit pastels. Yeah. 291 00:32:30.990 --> 00:32:32.670 Cuz they didn't have the red ones in the shop. 292 00:32:32.749 --> 00:32:37.390 Well, in the. Over the road. Yeah. That's the only place that's. I've ever, only ever seen red and black ones. 293 00:32:38.030 --> 00:32:41.030 Yeah. And I hope that, I hope it's not like a, a problem, you know. 294 00:32:41.030 --> 00:32:48.430 Because I think round trees should. We're getting big enough now. Roundtree should send us a box. Come on, round trees, get on with it. 295 00:32:48.430 --> 00:32:55.530 Y. Yeah, because we've got. They're all very green tonight, aren't they? But I don't. Yes. Does that mean that this. I don't know if it's like an omen. Is this podcast not gonna be as good or something? 296 00:32:55.850 --> 00:33:06.970 I don't know. I don't know how, how do you, how do you judge or score a podcast from good or bad? I don't know how you do it. 297 00:33:06.970 --> 00:33:09.570 I don't know. Because it's not the Numbers is it. That doesn't make a difference. 298 00:33:09.570 --> 00:33:30.830 I don't care. Some of our podcasts, I just think I really. Because if it makes me laugh and I think it's funny, and. And I. I sometimes when I listen to them back again, I. If it makes me laugh, I kind of think, yeah, I'm okay with that. That's quite good fun. And. I don't know, other times, I just think, you know, you're not. Not quite. Yeah, there, you know, I mean. 299 00:33:30.830 --> 00:33:31.590 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 300 00:33:31.590 --> 00:33:35.830 I don't know. I just think you. It's like everything, isn't it? You turn up and you do it and you. 301 00:33:35.830 --> 00:33:36.310 Yeah, yeah. 302 00:33:36.310 --> 00:33:38.470 You do your best and you. And you go home. 303 00:33:38.470 --> 00:33:39.150 You have a try. 304 00:33:39.390 --> 00:34:02.260 Yeah, exactly. And part of it is, like, just turning up. And, you know, I do like to think that, like. Like, as we do these. The different styles, I guess of. It's like, because, like, as much of a. Much as an album is a point in time, these podcasts are a point in time for us. Yeah. My back really hurts at the minute, so I'm always off my face on ibuprofen, because I can't. I've really hurt myself. 305 00:34:03.380 --> 00:34:05.140 I'm sorry. I'm not laughing at you. 306 00:34:05.860 --> 00:34:07.100 That's the funniest thing ever. 307 00:34:07.100 --> 00:34:10.120 Like, I'm laughing because of the running gag that Lindsay has. 308 00:34:10.190 --> 00:34:10.790 Dad. Right. 309 00:34:10.790 --> 00:34:21.710 When we first started doing this, every time. Every time we did a podcast, someone's. One of us had a cold or we'd hurt our leg or our back or. Or something had happened. So it's your back. 310 00:34:21.710 --> 00:34:33.390 I mean, I have. True to form, I have. I hurt my back and I did it in a. I was running down the stairs, caught my sleeve on the staircase, and it almost pulled my arm out of the socket. That's kind of what it did. 311 00:34:33.390 --> 00:34:33.750 Yeah. 312 00:34:33.750 --> 00:34:35.230 And I thought, oh, that's right. 313 00:34:35.310 --> 00:34:36.480 That crunchy feel feeling. 314 00:34:36.640 --> 00:34:49.760 It was really bizarre. It was like if you ever twisted. Like I used to dislocate my knee a lot when I was little, running about something. It's that feeling where you. You. You know, you've done something really bad and you know that stingy pains coming. 315 00:34:49.760 --> 00:34:50.480 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 316 00:34:50.480 --> 00:35:11.910 And it didn't last for very long, but you just thought, oh, it's gonna come, and then it comes and then it goes. It didn't. It just kind of did. It ran down the stairs. Like, it almost felt like my arm had come out of the socket, and I felt it pull down my back, like, just behind the shoulder blade, and I just, like, Stood there like. Like perfectly still, just thinking, this is gonna really hurt. And it didn't. And I was like, oh, got away with that. 317 00:35:11.910 --> 00:35:13.870 No, I think that's when it goes really wrong, though. 318 00:35:13.950 --> 00:35:15.990 Well, that's what happened. And then it was about a week. 319 00:35:15.990 --> 00:35:17.470 Later, beyond the pain threshold. 320 00:35:17.470 --> 00:35:19.470 It was about a week later. Yeah. 321 00:35:19.470 --> 00:35:20.910 Basically pulled your arm off, mate. 322 00:35:21.070 --> 00:35:35.440 Well, then I would sit there on my desk and it feel like my. Like my head felt really heavy, you know, and you move your head around. It's like I feel like I've really hurt my. Hurt myself anyway. It definitely affects my mood. 323 00:35:35.520 --> 00:35:35.960 Yeah. 324 00:35:35.960 --> 00:35:42.560 You know, when you kind of. I'll be on. I get to about 6, 7 o', clock, and then it starts to hurt. It's getting better. 325 00:35:42.720 --> 00:35:43.240 Yeah. Yeah. 326 00:35:43.240 --> 00:36:00.280 You know, and I've got in. I went to physiotherapist. They're horrible people. They just hurt you. All they want to do. I'm really sorry if you're a physiotherapist, but. Oh, my God, they're just. They're just like. They ask you a question. Does that hurt? And all. They would. Because if you say yes. Yeah, they do it more. 327 00:36:00.280 --> 00:36:01.200 Yeah, yeah. And if you say. 328 00:36:01.200 --> 00:36:09.760 And if you say no, well, they do something else more. Just. Just like hurting people. And then you always come back feeling, like, much more pain. 329 00:36:09.760 --> 00:36:10.240 Yeah. 330 00:36:10.240 --> 00:36:30.330 And they said, no, that's a good thing. It's not. Ideally. Yeah, there wouldn't be any. So I'm not really sure where we're going with this, but, yeah, it's getting better. I've got exercises and I look like an absolute bell end in my office. I have to. I have to go and I have to go and put my chin to my chest. Roll my head around. Yeah. And then I have to put my arms out. 331 00:36:30.410 --> 00:36:30.810 Yeah. 332 00:36:30.810 --> 00:36:45.690 And you do this. There's a lot of this waving I'm demonstrating to Chris. You have to wave your arms around. Right. And so if. If people walk past my office window, because my office is at the front of the house downstairs. So if people walk past, I'm sitting there flapping my arms around, rolling my head around. 333 00:36:46.090 --> 00:36:48.410 You're in a really exciting meeting. That's what they think. 334 00:36:49.930 --> 00:37:06.660 I don't know what. If anyone saw me doing it, I don't know what they would think I was doing. It's nuts. But. But anyway, the point is, it's a point in time. So each. Each podcast that we do, just like the albums that we review or review or revisit, they were a point in time. 335 00:37:06.660 --> 00:37:07.020 Yeah. 336 00:37:07.020 --> 00:37:18.100 You know, and everyone's like that. People have, you know, twist their ankles or pull a muscle or feel particularly good. You know, they're. They're, you know, for whatever reason, they're every. They're all human. We're all human and we. 337 00:37:18.260 --> 00:37:22.260 We assign those things. So now, every time you listen to extreme now, your shoulder's gonna hurt. 338 00:37:24.500 --> 00:38:23.800 Yeah, that's the way it works. I don't. I was talking to my friend who's a bit older than me this week, and I was complaining about it, and I think I said, like, nonchalantly, something like, yeah, I'll be all right, you know, and he was like, yeah, have you been to the doctor? And I said, well, I did the physiotherapist thing and, you know, I don't feel like I need to go to the doctor. And then he kind of said, you know, one of these days, as you get older, these things just don't go away. What? They suggested that that's. That's what getting old is like. When you're young. Hurt yourself. Hurts a lot. You wake up the next morning and it's gone. And then as you get a bit older, that lasts for a few days, maybe, you know, and then. And then as you get old, you approach your 50s, you don't have to do anything. You just get out of bed and something hurts and then it goes away after a few days. Then it says now, as you get a bit older than that, that it just never goes. You'll develop a pain or something. And it just. That's it. 339 00:38:23.800 --> 00:38:24.400 It stops forever. 340 00:38:24.400 --> 00:38:35.240 It's forever. Then I was going, thanks. That's just what I want to do. It's lovely. Thank you. Giving me the. That's what life's about, isn't it? 341 00:38:35.240 --> 00:38:35.960 Yeah. Pain. 342 00:38:36.920 --> 00:38:38.880 Well, something like that. It doesn't. 343 00:38:38.880 --> 00:38:39.400 Do you think? 344 00:38:41.240 --> 00:38:49.640 I. I saw a video of Metallica playing. Playing this week, and it hit me massively there, just how old James Hetfield. 345 00:38:49.640 --> 00:38:51.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 346 00:38:51.000 --> 00:39:01.120 And how you. I mean, how physical playing in a metal band is. And you just think that's why. I mean, I got my signed copy of Megadeth's album. 347 00:39:01.120 --> 00:39:01.960 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 348 00:39:01.960 --> 00:39:02.400 This week. 349 00:39:02.400 --> 00:39:03.360 That's new, isn't it? 350 00:39:04.400 --> 00:39:14.560 And I get it. Dave Mustaine said, look, I just don't want to do it. I. You know, we'll. We'll. We are. You know, maybe we'll do music, maybe we won't. I don't know. 351 00:39:14.560 --> 00:39:14.650 But. 352 00:39:14.800 --> 00:39:17.360 But. And Slayer obviously finished up and stuff. 353 00:39:17.520 --> 00:39:18.000 Yeah. 354 00:39:18.240 --> 00:39:20.880 And you. You know, I just. I get It. I absolutely get it. 355 00:39:20.880 --> 00:39:21.520 It's just. 356 00:39:22.640 --> 00:39:26.320 You can't. You can't. Your body lets you down after a bit. 357 00:39:26.320 --> 00:39:27.360 Yeah. Yeah. 358 00:39:27.440 --> 00:39:28.240 So there you go. 359 00:39:28.960 --> 00:39:30.480 Yeah, that's happy. 360 00:39:30.800 --> 00:39:31.360 It is. 361 00:39:40.480 --> 00:39:56.000 Sam. 362 00:40:06.940 --> 00:40:38.450 Fantasy. Subject to finding language. It's so hard to be between. 363 00:41:00.210 --> 00:41:03.250 Graduated at the highest degree. 364 00:41:04.330 --> 00:43:14.070 One thing I got good to me was a fight. Chemistry. I don't know. Of the time. And usually I would just be, you know, working on something on a four track or an eight track musically and. And pretty much put the whole song together, you know, even, you know, try to get all the instruments in there. So that way, you know, when you present it, I just give it to Gary in an act. I can't write a lyric to save my life. And I give it to Gary and he. He does his thing, you know, and. And it really works out great. I mean, when we were in previous bands before we actually met each other inside of work, I mean, I never had written like this ever. You know, I mean, it was just like. I write a couple songs a year, if I was lucky. The chemistry just. I mean, we just start writing and writing and writing and it's just like. We just don't stop, you know, I mean, it's not. We don't sit down and say, let's write today. Usually just comes and, you know. Yeah. I feel very lucky. 365 00:43:14.870 --> 00:43:18.910 So. Considering the last podcast we did on metallic was 17 hours long. 366 00:43:18.910 --> 00:43:20.310 It was 17 hours long. Yes. 367 00:43:20.310 --> 00:43:21.870 Should we have a slightly quicker one tonight? 368 00:43:21.870 --> 00:43:48.590 Yes. To the facts. Facts, facts. I'm gonna go through my facts list. I have to be honest, I should have cleaned my glasses. One's a bit murky, so if I stutter a little bit, it's because I can't quite read my own words. So. The band is Extreme. Released this album March 14, 1989. It has in it Gary Sharon on vocals. Nuno Betancourt, guitar. Pat Badger, who we've discussed, has the best name in rock. 369 00:43:48.590 --> 00:43:49.030 Yeah. 370 00:43:49.350 --> 00:43:58.970 On the bass. And then Paul Geary was drums. It was recorded in 1988. Went out on a. M. Sad because. 371 00:43:58.970 --> 00:44:00.850 He'S got a normal name. And the other guys have got. 372 00:44:03.010 --> 00:44:06.530 Like, you guys with your cool names. I've already got a dull name. 373 00:44:06.530 --> 00:44:10.690 He's got a really normal name. He's like someone who'd be at the pub. 374 00:44:11.090 --> 00:44:14.890 Someone from South. I can imagine. Yeah. I. I knew someone called Gary at school. 375 00:44:14.890 --> 00:44:18.170 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Have you seen Paul? Gary's new car? You know, it's that kind of conversation. 376 00:44:18.170 --> 00:44:27.190 It would. It would be in Mondeo, wouldn't it. Whereas Pat Badger. Pat Badger would have like. 377 00:44:27.430 --> 00:44:28.870 You have a Triumph TR7. 378 00:44:28.870 --> 00:44:35.470 Oh, yeah. He would win. He like GT6. Yeah, yeah, definitely. And then Nuno. What would Nuno have? 379 00:44:35.470 --> 00:44:37.270 Oh, he'd have a Ferrari or something, wouldn't he? 380 00:44:38.310 --> 00:44:38.710 Red. 381 00:44:38.790 --> 00:44:39.190 Yeah. 382 00:44:39.190 --> 00:44:45.590 Battery Ferrari. And Gary would have. Yeah, I can imagine him in an old Porsche. Yeah, he's got that look about him. 383 00:44:45.590 --> 00:44:45.990 Yeah. 384 00:44:46.310 --> 00:44:49.590 Anyway, label, A and M Records, they were massive. 385 00:44:49.590 --> 00:44:50.670 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 386 00:44:50.670 --> 00:45:06.290 And it's interesting for me, I think it's interesting anyway, that this went out on A M. A lot of very big artists on there as well. And. And obviously I think this was. A lot of. This was around the buzz around Nuno. 387 00:45:06.290 --> 00:45:06.570 Yeah. 388 00:45:06.570 --> 00:45:20.850 So I think they'd seen and thought, yeah, this is. This is pretty cool. It's the right length. 45 minutes, 11 tracks. There's nothing long here. We talked about this last week. Well, not last week. We talked about this in the last show with Metallica's Master of Puppets. 389 00:45:21.010 --> 00:45:21.370 Who? 390 00:45:21.370 --> 00:45:32.710 The uneducated Metallica, the thrashback band. But they were a thrash band. But they weren't a thrash band when they were doing that. Don't get eight minute thrash songs. Sorry. 391 00:45:33.350 --> 00:45:36.190 I still find it bananas that that's one of your favorite albums. 392 00:45:36.190 --> 00:46:50.250 It is. I think that one and. And I think Lightning and. And Puppets are two of the best albums ever recorded. But it's interesting, like, if you compare against what like Exodus and Overkill and I mean, the whole glut of other kind of Bay Area thrash bands were doing at the time. They weren't doing eight minutes minute songs with like complicated layered arrangements and stuff, whereas Metallica were. But these. I know this album for me is. Is quite. It's fits very much in hard rock. Although they would go on to do other weird stuff. Right. So Extreme would go on and develop their stuff here. They were trying to fit in. I think they were trying to fit in with what the other hard rock and glam bands were doing, which I think is. I think it's interesting and it gives the album like a certain feel to it. Singles Kid E Little Girls, Mother Don't Want To Go To School Today and Play With Me. Kid Ego is interesting. Gary Sharon said he's embarrassed about the lyrics of Kid Ego, which I think is really interesting. The rest of it, I don't know. It's. It's a fantastic selection of singles. Play With Me is what got us here. We talked about that because it was on Strange Things and it was in. 393 00:46:50.330 --> 00:46:51.610 More importantly, it was in Berlin. 394 00:46:51.610 --> 00:46:54.650 Said, oh, it's one of the best things I used to. What? 395 00:46:54.650 --> 00:47:05.100 Right. I have to say this right now, Now, Bill and Ted. I watched that on loop when I was a child. Oh, yeah. Like, literally it would stop, I would rewind the tape and it would start again. 396 00:47:05.100 --> 00:47:06.620 Just that and Beavis and Butthead for me. 397 00:47:06.620 --> 00:47:07.100 Yeah, yeah. 398 00:47:07.820 --> 00:47:09.420 I. Yeah, loved a lot of that. 399 00:47:09.580 --> 00:47:11.980 It was the most incredible, like, film. 400 00:47:12.140 --> 00:47:55.210 There is this thing here with Play With Me as well, where it's got, like, classical bits in it. And then it was in the Bill and Ted movie. It was used with Beethoven playing. And then I really, really, really cool charts. 300000 copies were sold, which is not that many. It's not really reached 38 on the mainstream rock charts in the US did not do that well is certainly when compared to Pornographiti and. And, yeah, I mean, it just went off, didn't it? Yeah. Slightly lesser Three Sides, but that was, you know, that was more than Words and Get the Funk out and, you know, all of that kind of stuff. 401 00:47:55.210 --> 00:47:55.690 Yeah. 402 00:47:56.410 --> 00:48:01.210 But, yeah, that one absolutely went. Went bonkers. The band are from Boston. 403 00:48:01.290 --> 00:48:01.850 Yeah. 404 00:48:03.130 --> 00:48:21.260 And you do Same place as Aerosmith. And it's fascinating. They. They were big fans of Aerosmith and eventually got to support them on the Pump Tour. So the Aerosmith were big fans and ended up ending up supporting them. They were compared massively to Van Halen. 405 00:48:21.330 --> 00:48:21.610 Yeah. 406 00:48:21.610 --> 00:48:32.570 And the band were big Van Halen fans. Gary Sharon would actually go on to be the temporary vocalist in Van Halen. I think it was Van Halen 3. He recorded. 407 00:48:32.570 --> 00:48:33.090 Yeah. 408 00:48:34.130 --> 00:49:02.140 But, yeah, absolutely bonkers the name. So Gary Sharon and drummer Paul Geary had been playing together in a band called the Dream. And they were told they had to change their name. And then one thing and another, they were all in different bands playing around different areas. And they got in a fight, apparently. And then the rumor is that they kind of all, like, got to know each other after the fight. 409 00:49:02.300 --> 00:49:02.700 Yeah. 410 00:49:02.700 --> 00:49:12.140 And decided they want to be in a band as you do. They liked the name. They were looking for a name and came up with the concept of Extreme. 411 00:49:12.140 --> 00:49:12.700 Yeah. 412 00:49:12.860 --> 00:50:04.510 As in X Dream. And then they liked the idea of Extreme. I don't know how true that is. It's on Wikipedia. I don't know how true that is, but I love it. I really, really like that kind of nuts stuff, I guess. It's really quite cool. Produced by Reinhold Mack, who. All kinds of interesting stuff a lot. I mean, like back into the 70s, so he did like Scorpions, Rolling Stones, Deep Purple, David Coverdale. Who's. Do you remember what David Coverdale's first solo album was called? White Snake. Well, say it. Yeah, proper dig. David Coverdale can do anything, can't he? I love it. I just. I do love it. 413 00:50:04.830 --> 00:50:13.100 One of the greatest listening experiences of my life is David Coverdale's first Rock On Tours interview. Oh, it's one of the best things ever. 414 00:50:13.260 --> 00:50:15.740 He's wild. He's absolutely, like. 415 00:50:15.740 --> 00:50:17.020 We know, like, proper. 416 00:50:17.180 --> 00:50:44.040 So unpredictable and he's just. He's like, so not politically correct. He's like. Of all of the, you know, the whole. The Woke movement and stuff, like, David Coverdale, like, doesn't know. He doesn't know what that means. It's just like. But he's such a lovely guy. Yeah, he's not trying to offend anybody. He's just like, so. I don't know. This just. He's brilliant. I love him to pieces, but he's really funny on X, if you're on X. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Very, very. 417 00:50:44.040 --> 00:50:51.240 I wonder if he's, like, hammed that up over the years, you know, I mean, like, he's sort of become this character more and more because, yeah, it could be this version of himself more. 418 00:50:51.240 --> 00:51:46.880 Never quite sure, are you? But I, I, Yeah, I love him. I think he's just. He's just, you know, really genuine. He's one of those people where, you know, there are people that, like, I don't know, they kind of. They always stay on the right side of the line. So, yeah, they say they're, but, you know, that they're malicious and not, you know, they're not very nice people. People David Coverdale's like, are so over the line of, like. But he's such a lovely guy. He just gets away with it. He's like, just. I love him. Anyway, so that, that was done. So. So Reinhold Mack was a producer and he worked with all these other people. Interestingly and curiously. We'll come on to this. He did Queen as well, plus a bunch of other really, really cool stuff. Which Queen stuff did you do then? Oh, going by the game. Okay. Oh, what else did he do? I'm squeezing. Oh, that's interesting. He was record. So he did. Yeah, did some light. So he did live magic. He did Brian May stuff. He knew Brian May really well. 419 00:51:48.000 --> 00:51:50.400 That was the gag you said about that, about Nuno. 420 00:51:50.400 --> 00:52:04.680 So apparently in the studio. So Reinhold Mack is German, and I. This. I work with a lot of Germans and I, I. There's something, like, I find really funny about this Kind of German sense of humor, the way they deliver this kind of matter of fact stuff. 421 00:52:04.680 --> 00:52:05.120 Yeah. 422 00:52:05.680 --> 00:52:37.670 And the rumor is that they were in the studio and Nuno was really trying hard to perfect this, this solo. And he'd been doing it all day, over and over and over again. And apparently Ryan Holt said to him, if you don't get it this time, I'm going to call Brian May to do it for you. And then just think, can you imagine that? Like Crush the poor 22 year old Nuno? To be fair, he's excellent. I mean, I'm sure, like, Brian May's an excellent guitarist, but he's not Nuno Betancourt, is he? I like that. I like. Brian May's a nice guy as well. 423 00:52:37.670 --> 00:52:38.150 Yeah, yeah. 424 00:52:38.150 --> 00:52:40.310 Isn't he? I like him. He knows badgers. 425 00:52:40.310 --> 00:52:40.710 Yeah. 426 00:52:42.740 --> 00:52:43.060 He does. 427 00:52:43.060 --> 00:52:43.660 There we go. 428 00:52:43.660 --> 00:53:19.630 He does, yeah. Yeah. One of my favorite Twitter arguments was Brian. Brian May and Jeremy Clarks and arguing about badges. That was brilliant. Oh, it's a great time to be alive, isn't it? Isn't it? Anyway, Reinhold did. Did Meatloaf as well. He did A Kind of Magic by Queen. Yeah. And he did loads of stuff, which I think is really interesting. And it goes to the lovely gag about Brian May. What else did I get to. Oh, the artwork. All work's interesting for this album, for me. 429 00:53:19.630 --> 00:53:20.030 Yeah. 430 00:53:20.030 --> 00:53:23.390 It's like. It's literally just lemon with hair. 431 00:53:23.390 --> 00:53:24.270 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 432 00:53:24.670 --> 00:53:52.390 But the. The logo was drawn by Gary Sharon and Paul Geary. Now I have a real soft spot lot for a time when bands would draw their own logo. Deaf Def Leppard famously did it. Slayer did you know, Anthrax, you know, Metallica did it. They would literally go and spend ages sketching and coming up with ideas. I don't think that happens so much anymore. 433 00:53:52.390 --> 00:53:52.790 No. 434 00:53:53.030 --> 00:54:14.290 And if you're in a band and you go anywhere near chat GPT for your logo, just stop doing what you're doing. Go. Just go and do something else. Yeah. There's a. There's a thing, I think, for me where there's like an authenticity and I know there's just something really lovely about that, that somebody. They're literally sitting at home in their bedrooms with the crayons. 435 00:54:14.290 --> 00:54:14.850 Yeah. 436 00:54:15.410 --> 00:54:25.570 And I really like that when it was initially released, this album was released, I guess it got a mixed review. 437 00:54:25.730 --> 00:54:26.290 Yeah. 438 00:54:26.850 --> 00:54:31.850 Lots of the magazines at the time were absolutely slating. Anything vaguely hard. 439 00:54:31.850 --> 00:54:31.980 Right. 440 00:54:32.130 --> 00:54:35.410 Rock and glammy at this point. Like 89 90. It was. 441 00:54:35.410 --> 00:54:35.810 Yeah. 442 00:54:35.810 --> 00:54:52.690 You know, they thought it was a little bit Naff. Yeah. So. But. But this didn't it. This kind of got mediocre reviews from the. From the critics. Didn't get great reviews. No. Not like pornographiti. Got good reviews. 443 00:54:52.690 --> 00:54:53.090 Yeah. 444 00:54:53.330 --> 00:55:05.710 This one did not. Although it did land well on mtv. Supporting tours, like I said, they did all kinds of stuff, but the really big one for me was the Aerosmith's Pump tour. I didn't know they went on that. 445 00:55:05.710 --> 00:55:06.350 No, no. 446 00:55:06.750 --> 00:55:10.590 But obviously that got them. That got him a lot of visibility, which. 447 00:55:10.990 --> 00:55:13.750 They were huge at that time. When the Arizona on the Pump. 448 00:55:13.750 --> 00:55:17.190 On that Pump tour, they would have been like one of the biggest bands on the planet. 449 00:55:17.190 --> 00:55:17.630 Yeah. 450 00:55:17.950 --> 00:55:23.550 So that was mega. They were like. A lot of these bands, like, absolutely adored in Japan. 451 00:55:23.550 --> 00:55:23.990 Yeah. 452 00:55:23.990 --> 00:55:36.150 And there's tons of stories of them where they. They talk about landing in Japan. You know, I'm playing to, you know, a few hundred people in US and then landing in Japan and there was like an army of. 453 00:55:36.230 --> 00:55:36.710 Yeah. 454 00:55:36.790 --> 00:55:40.550 People waiting to see them. And they'd never played in the country before. 455 00:55:40.550 --> 00:55:41.430 No. Yeah. 456 00:55:41.990 --> 00:55:57.410 Which I think that was, again, really interesting. Where else did I want to go to with this? Oh, we've already talked about where it was been. When you say so. Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure, which is really, really cool. If you're young and you've not watched. Watched that. 457 00:55:57.490 --> 00:55:59.010 You must. You absolutely. 458 00:55:59.010 --> 00:56:02.050 1989. Yeah. Very cool. 459 00:56:02.050 --> 00:56:02.530 Yeah. 460 00:56:02.610 --> 00:56:03.330 Very, very cool. 461 00:56:03.330 --> 00:56:05.250 And Bogus Journey. They're both good. 462 00:56:05.250 --> 00:56:16.570 Yeah. The new one is all right and watched it, but. Yeah, I'd go with the originals. They're. They're very, very good. Very funny. Yeah. Yeah, they're just. They're good. 463 00:56:16.570 --> 00:56:22.770 Yeah. I should. I should watch the new one just to have watched it. But then I feel the same like that as I do with the Ghostbusters stuff. 464 00:56:23.090 --> 00:56:23.490 Yeah. 465 00:56:23.490 --> 00:56:25.210 I really like Ghostbusters 1 and 2. 466 00:56:25.210 --> 00:56:26.850 Ghostbusters 1 is so funny. 467 00:56:26.850 --> 00:56:30.110 Yeah, yeah, they did. All newer ones, they were like. 468 00:56:30.830 --> 00:56:34.270 I like. I was trying to. Trying to get my kids to watch them. 469 00:56:34.350 --> 00:56:34.790 Yeah. 470 00:56:34.790 --> 00:56:36.670 And they just say they're so slow. 471 00:56:37.070 --> 00:56:39.630 Yeah. Yeah, that's what it is. 472 00:56:39.630 --> 00:56:43.830 If you watch genuinely, you watch. You go. Go and watch Ghostbusters. 473 00:56:43.830 --> 00:56:44.270 Yeah. 474 00:56:44.270 --> 00:56:48.670 Now and then, go and watch, like, anything that's aimed at, like, kids today. 475 00:56:48.670 --> 00:56:49.150 Yeah. 476 00:56:49.630 --> 00:56:56.460 It's just fast today stuff is like, bang, bang, bang. There's always something happening. Always something, something, something going on. 477 00:56:56.540 --> 00:56:57.020 Yeah. 478 00:56:57.260 --> 00:57:11.419 And the beauty of Ghostbusters, there would just be bits where like. Do you know what I mean? Like the. There wasn't somebody talking. Something happening. There was. There was time for you to think and get a feel for the. The space that it was in and stuff. 479 00:57:11.419 --> 00:57:12.140 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 480 00:57:12.300 --> 00:57:46.530 Don't get that anymore. So he's on Stranger Things also. So he's on Bill and Ted's excellent Adventure and also on Stranger Things, which I liked. I do like Stranger Things. I think it's Dungeons and Dragons and Kids and all that and I kind of. I quite like that. I got. It was a bit. Bit cool. And I do like, particularly. We talked about this last time, particularly liked the attention to detail for music. I think they chose some absolutely banging music through the whole of Stranger Things. Really, really good. 481 00:57:46.530 --> 00:57:47.090 Yeah, yeah. 482 00:57:48.690 --> 00:58:57.920 Five things you might not know from the blog. We've covered all this already, I think. So it started with a fight. So they were all in a pub, annoy other got in a fight and then started a band. That's the way it happened. Extreme is the. Is X Dream. I don't know if you know whether that's true or not. Yeah, tell us because I don't know. And there's a lot of these things you read on Wikipedia. And it was when I interviewed. Who was I interviewing? I can't remember who it was. Oh, my brain is just like properly misfired. Anyway, I was interviewing somebody and I literally had their Wikipedia in front of me on my tablet and I was like, I'm going to ask you some questions from your Wikipedia and I want you to tell me. And the half of it was just nonsense. Who goes on to somebody else's Wikipedia and. And write stuff about them that's not true. Anyway, Gary Sharon still cringes at Kid Ego. He thinks it's one of the ones that hasn't. Hasn't necessarily aged that well. There's a bunch of classical music on this record. Play With Me and stuff. It's got Mozart's Ronda Alat Turker, the Turkish. 483 00:58:58.480 --> 00:58:59.040 Very good. 484 00:58:59.280 --> 00:59:11.920 Nuno was very, very cool at that kind of thing. And then the ballad Watching and Waiting is supposedly written about the crucifixion of Christ. 485 00:59:12.000 --> 00:59:12.640 All right. 486 00:59:12.880 --> 00:59:17.960 Which is an odd topic for a 1989 hair metal record. Yeah, I think. 487 00:59:17.960 --> 00:59:18.400 Yeah. 488 00:59:18.560 --> 00:59:31.400 I imagine Slayer doing that. But not. Not Extreme. Yeah, we got. I think that's kind of got everything we need to cover before we begin to wrap up. Yeah. 489 00:59:31.400 --> 00:59:35.920 Can I just speak very quickly about how unusual Rocket is? 490 00:59:36.480 --> 00:59:37.520 Yeah, of course you can. 491 00:59:37.680 --> 00:59:38.640 It's weird. 492 00:59:38.720 --> 00:59:39.600 It is weird. 493 00:59:41.360 --> 00:59:42.560 It's really like. 494 00:59:43.200 --> 00:59:57.100 It's like a rock opera, I think. Yeah, but. But that's where they would go. That's what I was talking about. Right. Where this album is fitting in with the norms and this album's fitting in with the hard rock, hair metal norms of how you write a song. 495 00:59:57.100 --> 00:59:57.580 Yeah. 496 00:59:58.060 --> 01:00:02.380 And, like, Reinhold had. You know, he was producing it like that. 497 01:00:02.460 --> 01:00:02.940 Yeah. 498 01:00:02.940 --> 01:00:06.219 And the songs were like that. But then you had these, which just were like. 499 01:00:06.380 --> 01:00:08.660 It's a proper curveball to me, I think. 500 01:00:08.660 --> 01:00:20.940 Yeah. But that, for me, that's where, like, Pornographiti is a rock opera. It's a story about a boy trying. You know what I mean? There's a whole story to it. And three, There are stories across the record for these days. 501 01:00:21.010 --> 01:00:21.490 Yeah, yeah. 502 01:00:22.210 --> 01:00:27.010 Concept pieces almost. And. And. But there are hints here that. 503 01:00:27.010 --> 01:00:35.810 Yeah, that's. Yeah, that's interesting because you. Yeah. In some of the interviews we've been listening to, they do speak about that, how the stories and the concepts of the albums kind of emerge as they go through. 504 01:00:35.890 --> 01:00:36.410 Yeah. 505 01:00:36.410 --> 01:00:40.090 And actually, I. I've never thought of an extreme album as a concept album. 506 01:00:40.090 --> 01:00:40.570 No, you don't. 507 01:00:40.570 --> 01:00:47.130 But evidently it is. Evidently, it's got. It. It's got a narrative and a. Yeah. It's not like an Operation Mind Crime, is it? You don't get that same sort of. 508 01:00:47.130 --> 01:00:52.650 Well, we did. It's only when we actually did Operation Mind Crime, I. I realized what the story was. 509 01:00:52.650 --> 01:00:53.330 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 510 01:00:53.330 --> 01:01:05.570 And I'd loved that album for such a long time, and I knew it was a concept album. I just couldn't care less what the concept was about. And it was only when we dug into it that I kind of realized. Got the story. And then the album takes on this extra. 511 01:01:05.730 --> 01:01:06.130 Yes. 512 01:01:06.130 --> 01:01:18.370 Level, this similar. With me with Dark side of the Moon, as you read about it, and it's this kind of story of birth and life and death and all. And you just. Oh, yeah, yeah. And similarly with. 513 01:01:19.960 --> 01:01:20.200 With. 514 01:01:20.360 --> 01:01:38.840 With Pornographiti, I. I don't think he's here, like, in this album. I don't. But. But like, you say, like, particularly that track is. It has that, like. You say that rock opera kind of feel to it, and again, I think it helps that Reinhold had produced Queen. 515 01:01:39.080 --> 01:01:40.040 Yeah. Yeah. 516 01:01:40.280 --> 01:01:51.700 And. And because there's. There's a definite thing here where there's, like. I think if it had been produced too thickly and heavily, like a Motley Crue record. Yeah. I'm not sure that would have come across that well. 517 01:01:51.700 --> 01:01:52.420 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 518 01:01:52.420 --> 01:01:58.020 Because it would have been so easy to just kind of go, well, we've got a squiggly guitarist. Let's just compress everything, you know? 519 01:01:58.020 --> 01:01:58.660 Yeah, yeah. 520 01:01:58.740 --> 01:02:26.050 You know what I mean? And make it. Make it all sound like, you know, the guitar tones, like, lovely on this really wet sound. It's kind of this kind of, I don't know, flamboyant. Like guitars didn't sound like if you. If you roll forward even to like 91. Nobody's guitar sounded like this. Except Nuno still did a little to. To some degree, but it was toned down a little bit. But for me, this was like a kind of peak wet reverby. 521 01:02:26.210 --> 01:02:26.610 Yeah. 522 01:02:26.610 --> 01:02:32.770 You know what I mean? Squealy. Every. Like every. Every 30 seconds, there's some kind of squeal or something going on. 523 01:02:33.090 --> 01:02:33.570 Yeah. 524 01:02:34.370 --> 01:02:39.730 Like really flamboyant and extravagant guitar tones. Just peak 80s. 525 01:02:40.060 --> 01:02:40.380 Yeah. 526 01:02:40.940 --> 01:03:09.320 Kind of guitar work. I think it would have been easy to just zone in on that entirely and. And. And lose some of the. Lose some of the rest here. But they didn't. And look at. I mean, interestingly, the porno graffiti doesn't. You know, they didn't. They didn't go down that path of being just like, you know, bigger hard rock band. You got a. There's a. There's a. Like a delicate layering to point graffiti, I think, which. Quite cool. 527 01:03:10.280 --> 01:03:14.000 Shall we. I think we should play. Play with me. Yeah. 528 01:03:14.000 --> 01:03:14.560 Oh, yeah. 529 01:03:14.560 --> 01:03:19.080 Because we haven't played that yet. And that's really important that we got to play that. And then we should talk about next week, shall we? 530 01:03:19.080 --> 01:03:19.840 Yeah, let's do that. 531 01:03:19.840 --> 01:03:34.140 All. Right. 532 01:03:35.090 --> 01:03:37.490 Do you want to play. 533 01:05:42.510 --> 01:06:48.980 Ram, Sam? What's next then? 534 01:06:49.300 --> 01:06:50.580 Three doors down, Better Life. 535 01:06:50.820 --> 01:06:52.740 That was different from five minutes ago. 536 01:06:52.740 --> 01:07:08.080 It was. I wanted to do White Snake 1987, because we were talking about David Coverdale, but I've changed my mind because I read in the news that Brad Arnold died of cancer yesterday. David before and A Better Life was released on this day 26 years ago. 537 01:07:08.080 --> 01:07:08.920 This very day. 538 01:07:08.920 --> 01:07:15.760 This very day. And I like it. It's got kryptonite on it. It's got Better Life on it. It's got all of stuff. It's cool. It's cool album. 539 01:07:15.760 --> 01:07:16.560 I don't know it. 540 01:07:16.560 --> 01:07:33.120 Super simple and. Yeah, super simple record. Very catchy. It was huge. It was like American radio friendly rock. Massive, massive album. Really, really cool. Huge hit singles. 541 01:07:33.680 --> 01:07:36.820 Yeah. You just played a. And it was like. Oh, yeah, I recognize. 542 01:07:36.820 --> 01:08:09.320 I want to welcome Dead Simple. You know, it's. Yeah, I guess it just goes. It just goes to show you that you don't need like a million. A lot of the albums that we do are super complicated and intricate and some of them are not. I don't know, it's a, it's a nice one for me today. Yeah, yeah, let's do, let's do that, let's do that. And then that will be next week, assuming we get back on schedule. Because we're, we're a bit rubbish, aren't we? The minute. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So let's, let's, let's do, let's do. 543 01:08:09.960 --> 01:08:11.080 I'm, I'm better now. 544 01:08:11.480 --> 01:08:13.200 I'm not ill. You're not ill? 545 01:08:13.200 --> 01:08:15.560 Yeah, yeah. Cuz I've been ill since like before Christmas. 546 01:08:15.560 --> 01:08:29.240 Well, I'm hoping it's messed up, my running a little bit as well. Like I can't, I can run. If I have, I can run all right. But then it hurts my back afterwards. So, so I'm trying to do a little bit of, I'm trying to like run and not hurt myself and it's, it's hard work in it. 547 01:08:29.720 --> 01:08:32.240 The problem is then is you hold yourself different and funny and then I. 548 01:08:32.240 --> 01:08:52.429 Put straight somewhere else and yeah, I'm just falling apart. That's what it is. But just stop trying, mate. I'm just determined not to let. Because I've done. My running's doing all right. I'm getting, you know, I'm doing okay with that now and, and I'm getting to a point where I can run and I don't want, you know what I mean? I don't want to let that go. And I'm like, and I'm really annoyed. Like, like I'm annoyed. 549 01:08:52.589 --> 01:08:53.149 Yeah. 550 01:08:53.629 --> 01:08:58.349 And I view, I view my body as just this vehicle that carries my brain around. 551 01:08:58.429 --> 01:08:59.119 Yes. Yeah. 552 01:08:59.909 --> 01:09:01.949 And I'm just like, I just want to change it. Yeah, it's rubbish. 553 01:09:01.949 --> 01:09:02.469 Yeah, yeah. 554 01:09:02.469 --> 01:09:03.789 I'm going to change it for something else. 555 01:09:03.789 --> 01:09:04.149 Yeah. 556 01:09:04.149 --> 01:09:05.909 But yeah, next week will be even better. 557 01:09:06.069 --> 01:09:06.429 Yeah. 558 01:09:06.429 --> 01:09:07.189 And it'll be good. 559 01:09:07.509 --> 01:09:08.949 Yeah, your back will be better. 560 01:09:09.029 --> 01:09:09.509 Yeah. 561 01:09:09.509 --> 01:09:11.669 And then I'll still not be poorly, hopefully. 562 01:09:12.149 --> 01:09:16.149 No, that's cool. Well, I, I, it's about that time of year, isn't it, where the colds come back. 563 01:09:16.229 --> 01:09:16.629 Yes. 564 01:09:16.629 --> 01:09:23.749 Because the kids, the kids will go off for half term and then they'll mingle in between the different schools and then they, then they swap germs, aren't they? So. 565 01:09:23.749 --> 01:09:24.429 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 566 01:09:24.429 --> 01:09:28.450 Normally for us we get like, we, we don't normally get colds back from the kids. 567 01:09:28.450 --> 01:09:29.010 Yeah, yeah. 568 01:09:29.010 --> 01:09:29.570 At that time. 569 01:09:29.570 --> 01:09:30.370 Just avoid them. 570 01:09:30.370 --> 01:09:31.850 I think you're a teacher. 571 01:09:31.850 --> 01:09:32.970 Just put them, put them in the child. 572 01:09:33.290 --> 01:09:55.250 You're not allowed to do that. Somebody go, I'm not doing computers today. Imagine the look on my boss's face. I go like, no, no, not doing computers. I want to do something else. I want to go and plant tomatoes or something. I don't know. What do you do? What? I keep hearing in the news this week that like AI is killed, like my entire profession. 573 01:09:55.250 --> 01:09:56.160 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 574 01:09:56.400 --> 01:09:58.000 I don't, I don't know what I'm going to do. 575 01:09:58.240 --> 01:09:58.600 No. 576 01:09:58.600 --> 01:10:00.320 So if you've got any ideas right in, tell us. 577 01:10:00.320 --> 01:10:00.640 Yeah. 578 01:10:00.640 --> 01:10:04.240 If you got a job. I, I like welding. Really? 579 01:10:04.240 --> 01:10:05.720 Like, well, if you do welding. 580 01:10:05.720 --> 01:10:06.040 Yeah. 581 01:10:06.040 --> 01:10:09.760 And I'll do blacksmithing. Oh, we could just have a whole like metal based industry. 582 01:10:09.760 --> 01:10:12.760 We could do the most epic stuff. Couldn't we have a YouTube channel? 583 01:10:12.760 --> 01:10:13.640 Yeah, that'd be great. 584 01:10:13.640 --> 01:10:21.320 Because I could say, hey guys, welcome back to the channel. I've always wanted, I've always wanted to say, like genuinely say, hey guys, welcome back to the channel. 585 01:10:21.320 --> 01:10:21.560 Yeah. 586 01:10:21.560 --> 01:10:22.480 That's what they say, is it? 587 01:10:22.480 --> 01:10:22.720 Yeah. 588 01:10:22.720 --> 01:10:23.480 If you do that. 589 01:10:23.480 --> 01:10:23.920 Yeah. 590 01:10:23.920 --> 01:10:29.480 I always like, as soon as I hear a YouTuber say that, I switch off. Isn't that bad? 591 01:10:29.560 --> 01:10:30.520 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 592 01:10:30.680 --> 01:10:31.520 That's really just. 593 01:10:31.520 --> 01:10:32.760 Hey guys. Just that. 594 01:10:33.240 --> 01:10:33.920 Hey guys. 595 01:10:33.920 --> 01:10:34.440 Gone. 596 01:10:34.440 --> 01:10:37.160 I don't like, hey guys. I don't like welcome back to the channel. 597 01:10:37.160 --> 01:10:37.640 Yeah. 598 01:10:37.640 --> 01:10:38.920 I don't like any of that. 599 01:10:38.920 --> 01:10:39.320 No. 600 01:10:39.320 --> 01:10:41.720 It just feels like so insincere. 601 01:10:41.720 --> 01:10:42.200 Yeah. 602 01:10:42.200 --> 01:10:43.800 If you want to say that to anybody. 603 01:10:43.880 --> 01:10:44.440 Yeah. 604 01:10:44.600 --> 01:11:01.320 When I was a kid, if you'd have said, hey guys, welcome back, you'd have been punched. Someone would have genuinely lamped you. Chinned. You'd be chinned. Someone would have genuinely lamped you. My. Both of my boys. Really funny. They, they keep asking about when I was at school. 605 01:11:01.400 --> 01:11:01.960 Yeah. 606 01:11:02.440 --> 01:11:21.610 And then they said, oh, someone got in trouble at school this week because when, when some, somebody was running in the corridor and they fell over and as a bit of a giggle, someone got all of the coats and threw it. They'd hurt themselves. They'd fallen over. Yeah. And then someone had got all the coats and threw the coats on them. 607 01:11:21.610 --> 01:11:21.850 Yeah. 608 01:11:21.850 --> 01:11:22.890 And they got in a lot of trouble. 609 01:11:22.890 --> 01:11:23.410 Yeah. 610 01:11:23.570 --> 01:11:29.650 And they go, what would, what would have happened in your day as well, a bit similar. But everyone jumps on you. 611 01:11:30.210 --> 01:11:30.850 Pylon. 612 01:11:30.850 --> 01:11:45.820 Yeah. So. So if you hurt yourself and everyone just went, well, someone would pile on and then, and then everyone would literally just their entire body weight on top of you and you'd hear like bones cracking and stuff. Different time back then. 613 01:11:45.820 --> 01:11:46.220 Yeah. 614 01:11:47.100 --> 01:11:48.060 Simpler times. 615 01:11:48.060 --> 01:11:48.740 Simpler times. 616 01:11:48.740 --> 01:12:20.160 It's probably what my back hurts, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, very good. Anyway, it's getting quite late now, so shall we do one? Thanks for listening. Thank you, as always. And like and subscribe. I don't know. I'm sure you can do. I don't know. You do whatever you want. Do you know what? That's. That should be the. The unofficial motto. Just do whatever you want. Do what you want. If you want to sub. If want to subscribe, don't. I don't know what. Can you subscribe to pod? You can subscribe to podcasts. 617 01:12:20.160 --> 01:12:20.840 Do what you want. 618 01:12:21.160 --> 01:12:24.280 Well, exactly. You can do what you want. Be like a cat. 619 01:12:24.520 --> 01:12:25.440 Yeah, that's it. 620 01:12:25.440 --> 01:12:40.330 Be a cat. Cats don't like and subscribe, do they? They just screw you. I'll like and subscribe what I want. Yeah, it won't be you. Anyway, thanks for listening and have a good time and we will see you next week. Sorry.