WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.240 --> 00:00:41.050 Sa. Sam. 2 00:01:27.030 --> 00:01:33.770 That is the best intro we've ever had to. That's the best intro to any podcast ever. Isn't that amazing? 3 00:01:33.770 --> 00:01:36.850 Yeah, yeah, I got it. I was thinking about that for ages, all day. 4 00:01:36.850 --> 00:01:38.010 Have you even thinking about that? 5 00:01:38.010 --> 00:01:39.810 Yeah. How I'm gonna do. Oh, I can do that one. 6 00:01:40.130 --> 00:01:48.450 What is the. Do you know what I often get confused is when there's that and then there's the close encounters. 7 00:01:48.610 --> 00:01:49.330 Oh, yeah. 8 00:01:51.650 --> 00:02:00.090 I'd be like, this is what separates musicians from. From mathematicians. Because we can't be like, whatever. Just. It'll do. It's fine. That'll do. 9 00:02:00.090 --> 00:02:03.630 It's a good noise. Close encounters, the synth noise. That's good noise. 10 00:02:04.030 --> 00:02:11.030 There are some. Isn't it weird? There are some noises that are, like, just dead iconic. Like super iconic. I think. You know the ring doorbell noise. 11 00:02:11.030 --> 00:02:11.270 Yes. 12 00:02:11.270 --> 00:02:16.910 Or people that will go down as being iconic. That will be. And that. You know the Samsung thing. 13 00:02:18.750 --> 00:02:19.630 I've got that Windows. 14 00:02:19.630 --> 00:02:20.910 Oh, the. The Noki one. 15 00:02:22.270 --> 00:02:34.870 That wasn't the one I was going for. I was making. I was thinking about the Windows 95. Have you seen the one where the man's on the roller coaster and he keeps passing out? Oh, yeah. And then he wakes up again and he's got the Windows 95 noises. 16 00:02:35.350 --> 00:02:38.750 Oh, I went to the original launch of Windows 95. 17 00:02:38.750 --> 00:02:39.150 Did you? 18 00:02:39.150 --> 00:02:41.510 Yeah, I did. That was. People were dead excited about. 19 00:02:41.510 --> 00:02:42.550 They were dancing, weren't they? 20 00:02:42.550 --> 00:02:44.750 Oh, my God, mate. I went to Birmingham. 21 00:02:44.750 --> 00:02:45.110 Yeah. 22 00:02:45.110 --> 00:02:54.230 City center. And I went there and. Yeah, it was amazing. We got all kinds of free business stuff and there were people dancing and jumping up and down and. 23 00:02:55.670 --> 00:02:57.910 You weren't in at the time. You were in Microsoft the time. 24 00:02:57.910 --> 00:02:59.910 No, no, I was. I. I was. I was. 25 00:03:00.070 --> 00:03:00.630 How old? 26 00:03:01.540 --> 00:03:03.140 I would have been 20. 27 00:03:03.220 --> 00:03:03.900 Yeah, but you were. 28 00:03:03.900 --> 00:03:04.780 I was still at uni. 29 00:03:04.780 --> 00:03:05.220 Yeah. 30 00:03:05.540 --> 00:03:25.940 And. But I. We just got an invite. There was like four or five of us nerds. Yeah. So. So we. We all went and. Yeah, it was. It was. I just remember sitting in the audience, like, I remember sitting in the audience and thinking, this is when we got invited. I thought, this is. These are my people. 31 00:03:25.940 --> 00:03:26.620 Yeah, yeah. 32 00:03:26.620 --> 00:03:36.930 And then sitting in the audience and everyone was really excited and then quietly died inside thinking, these are not my people. Who's mad? 33 00:03:37.650 --> 00:03:38.370 I'm Chris. 34 00:03:38.770 --> 00:03:39.490 I'm Neil. 35 00:03:39.490 --> 00:03:42.530 This is Riffology and we're doing Pink Floyd. Boom, boom. 36 00:03:42.530 --> 00:03:43.130 You are here. 37 00:03:43.130 --> 00:03:44.290 Yeah. I didn't. Nosebleed. 38 00:03:44.690 --> 00:03:45.890 You have had a nosebleed. 39 00:03:46.210 --> 00:03:46.930 I'm not very well. 40 00:03:47.010 --> 00:03:51.610 My cat had a nosebleed as well, so there's. I think there's something. I think you and my cat have got the same thing. 41 00:03:51.610 --> 00:03:52.370 Yeah, I think so. 42 00:03:52.690 --> 00:04:00.130 So tell us about your illness because we love. There's a long history of talking about illness. Middle aged, still not right. Middle aged boys talking. 43 00:04:00.270 --> 00:04:06.590 I don't know how long it's been now. That wasn't right last week. I wasn't like the week before my voice was. Then we called it off the week before that, I think for realness. 44 00:04:06.590 --> 00:04:10.830 And my voice was a bit off last year. But I'm all right now. Yeah, but you're really. 45 00:04:10.830 --> 00:04:13.630 No, I need to go. I'm properly not well. I need to go to the doctors. 46 00:04:13.870 --> 00:04:17.430 Have you. Have you thought about, like, paracetamol and that? 47 00:04:17.430 --> 00:04:17.710 No. 48 00:04:18.030 --> 00:04:18.950 You should try that. 49 00:04:18.950 --> 00:04:19.390 Yeah. 50 00:04:19.550 --> 00:04:20.470 Have you had a bath? 51 00:04:20.470 --> 00:04:20.830 No. 52 00:04:20.910 --> 00:04:22.110 Do you know one of my things. 53 00:04:22.270 --> 00:04:23.990 That I've done anything to help myself. 54 00:04:23.990 --> 00:04:25.790 One of my things to get well. 55 00:04:25.790 --> 00:04:26.270 Yeah. 56 00:04:26.510 --> 00:04:34.590 And the family are renowned for them. I'm renowned for this. But this is going back for. Since. Since this came out. There is a Pink Floyd album. 57 00:04:34.830 --> 00:04:35.310 Yeah. 58 00:04:35.550 --> 00:04:37.350 Called A Foot in the Door. 59 00:04:37.350 --> 00:04:38.070 Okay. Yeah. 60 00:04:38.070 --> 00:04:44.830 There's like a compilation. It starts with like C. Emily play and it kind of goes all the way through there. 61 00:04:44.990 --> 00:04:45.710 Yeah, yeah. 62 00:04:46.270 --> 00:04:51.150 Discography and stuff. That's really how I got to grips with Pink Floyd. 63 00:04:51.150 --> 00:04:51.470 Yeah. 64 00:04:51.470 --> 00:04:54.070 And what I did when I'm not very well. It's quite long. 65 00:04:54.150 --> 00:04:54.830 Yeah, yeah. 66 00:04:54.830 --> 00:04:57.150 And I put that on and I get in the bath. 67 00:04:57.150 --> 00:04:57.910 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 68 00:04:57.910 --> 00:05:03.030 And I. And I switch. We've got like a mirror. Like, you're like. You've got like a shaving mirror thing with lights, LEDs around it. 69 00:05:03.030 --> 00:05:03.310 Yeah. 70 00:05:03.310 --> 00:05:04.430 I switch all the lights off. 71 00:05:04.430 --> 00:05:04.910 Yeah. 72 00:05:04.910 --> 00:05:06.550 Just put my shaving mirror light on. 73 00:05:06.550 --> 00:05:06.870 Yeah. 74 00:05:06.870 --> 00:05:08.950 And then I relax and I kind of float in the bath. 75 00:05:09.029 --> 00:05:09.509 Yeah. 76 00:05:09.750 --> 00:05:10.550 Fixes everything. 77 00:05:10.870 --> 00:05:11.390 Yeah, yeah. 78 00:05:11.390 --> 00:05:13.110 It's dead good. You should do that. Come to my house. 79 00:05:13.270 --> 00:05:13.750 Okay. 80 00:05:14.630 --> 00:05:15.510 I'll put it on for you. 81 00:05:15.510 --> 00:05:19.670 Yeah, great. I think that'll sort it, actually. 82 00:05:19.750 --> 00:05:22.590 Will do. And then I tend to sleep quite well after that. 83 00:05:22.590 --> 00:05:22.950 Yeah. 84 00:05:22.950 --> 00:05:24.630 But they're really funny. Like if. 85 00:05:25.170 --> 00:05:25.410 If. 86 00:05:25.650 --> 00:05:34.210 If a family member hears like the Pink Floyd coming from the bathroom. No, I'm not feeling very well, so I'll get there. You're right. 87 00:05:34.210 --> 00:05:34.690 Yeah. 88 00:05:34.850 --> 00:05:42.370 Occasionally I've done it when I'm not. Not very well. It's very much a thing where, I don't know, makes me feel better. 89 00:05:42.370 --> 00:05:43.130 Yeah, yeah. 90 00:05:43.130 --> 00:06:20.190 And I'm sure the bath and stuff helps as well, but. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's just something about that I don't know. I. I first started to listen to it when we had Leah, so Leah was our first born child. And, you know, you're like a little bit lost at that point in your life. You're like, I don't know. There's no manual. I don't know how this works anymore. Like, no one cares if I live or die anymore. It's all about this, this child, and your whole life's turned upside down. That is where I, like, really, really discovered that. That record and Pink Floyd. Like, I knew Pink Floyd before that, obviously, but. But it was. It was that where I kind of. 91 00:06:20.190 --> 00:06:21.630 Yeah, yeah, it all makes sense. 92 00:06:21.710 --> 00:06:27.100 But that was that. It was that compilation. That was my relationship with. With Pink Floyd. 93 00:06:27.260 --> 00:06:30.060 So did that have songs from this album on it? 94 00:06:30.060 --> 00:06:42.140 Yeah, yeah, absolutely. It's. It's a really great record. I always look for it. You know, in fact, I'm look. I'm on. I'm on Apple Music now. I always look for it and I could never, ever find it. I have to search where. It's in one of my. 95 00:06:42.220 --> 00:06:43.860 Oh, I see you got a playlist. 96 00:06:43.860 --> 00:06:47.300 Yeah, but it's dead weird. I thought it'd be like. It's like a compilations thing, right? 97 00:06:47.300 --> 00:06:47.620 Yeah. 98 00:06:47.620 --> 00:06:49.260 And I thought, well, it's bound to be in there. 99 00:06:49.260 --> 00:06:51.540 And it's not. It is. 100 00:06:51.540 --> 00:06:54.860 There is that 2011, a foot in the Door, the Best of Pink Floyd. 101 00:06:54.860 --> 00:06:55.340 Okay. 102 00:06:55.500 --> 00:07:11.640 Starts with, hey, you see Emily play Happiest Days of Our Lives. And then another Brick in the wall, have a cigar. And then it's got like, great gig in the sky, money, comfortably numb, high hopes, brain damage, Shine on, you crazy diamond parts. One to Five. We'll come on to that later. 103 00:07:11.720 --> 00:07:12.200 Yeah. 104 00:07:12.360 --> 00:07:14.680 And then ends with Eclipse. 105 00:07:14.760 --> 00:07:16.280 Oh. So One to five all together. 106 00:07:16.440 --> 00:07:21.160 Yeah. Ah. And then. But it's. I didn't. Yeah, it's. 107 00:07:23.170 --> 00:07:25.210 Oh, yeah. No, that's how it works on the album as well, isn't it? 108 00:07:25.210 --> 00:07:44.690 Yeah, yeah. No one's ever heard One to Five is the bit everybody's heard. Yeah, we'll talk about those. Those notes. Yeah, really good. But anyway, that is. Oh, well. Yeah, I. That's. 109 00:07:44.690 --> 00:07:45.450 That's the one. 110 00:07:45.450 --> 00:07:49.690 That's. For me. That's my relationship, which came out in 2011. Leo was born in 2011. 111 00:07:49.690 --> 00:07:57.510 Yeah. Yeah. I like this album that much. I'd buy on vinyl and I. And it's a meaningful album because it. It's sad. 112 00:07:57.670 --> 00:07:58.150 Yeah. 113 00:07:58.150 --> 00:08:03.670 And lonely. They're. They're the two. The two emotions that you can hear in the music on this Album emotions. That. 114 00:08:03.670 --> 00:08:12.230 Good description, I think, because that was really. I've been reading loads of stuff about this as we did the blog. And as you know, as you go through the. The weekly block is. 115 00:08:12.390 --> 00:08:15.870 By the way, you need to like people who listen to this. If you don't, you haven't been on the blog. 116 00:08:15.870 --> 00:08:17.790 Riffology. Co. Get in there. 117 00:08:17.790 --> 00:08:19.830 Yeah, it's on the blog. Just go in there and get lost. 118 00:08:19.910 --> 00:08:40.770 If you think it's amazing, tell me it's amazing. If you don't think it's am. Yeah, just going. But. But. So the more I was reading, it's. I think it's fascinating. So you get these really analytical articles about. Wish you were here. And they'd say. They start with this. This album is about Sid Barrett. 119 00:08:40.770 --> 00:08:41.170 Yeah. 120 00:08:41.490 --> 00:08:42.690 And I don't think it is. 121 00:08:42.770 --> 00:08:43.250 Yeah. 122 00:08:43.730 --> 00:08:50.170 But the more I read about it and the more I listen to the articles and the. The interviews of the band at the. 123 00:08:50.170 --> 00:08:50.450 Time. 124 00:08:52.240 --> 00:08:55.840 They went into the studio off the back of Dark side. 125 00:08:56.000 --> 00:08:58.040 Yeah. Which went bananas, didn't it? 126 00:08:58.040 --> 00:08:58.240 Yeah. 127 00:08:58.240 --> 00:08:59.240 I mean, it went. Absolutely. 128 00:08:59.240 --> 00:09:01.040 But they've got no idea what to do. 129 00:09:01.040 --> 00:09:01.280 No. 130 00:09:01.280 --> 00:09:02.320 So they. They've got. 131 00:09:03.440 --> 00:09:04.000 They're lost. 132 00:09:04.160 --> 00:09:05.520 Yeah. Dark side's gone mad. 133 00:09:05.520 --> 00:09:05.880 Yeah. 134 00:09:05.880 --> 00:09:08.120 And has sold like a billion copies. 135 00:09:08.120 --> 00:09:09.440 Yeah. Yeah. And they've got no more songs. 136 00:09:09.440 --> 00:09:17.000 Yeah. They've got so much money. They've got loads of money. They go into the studio. They're in Abbey Road, which is not a cheap place to hang out. 137 00:09:17.000 --> 00:09:18.040 But. But. 138 00:09:18.040 --> 00:09:54.700 But there's, like, nothing to do. And they don't know what to do. They don't know what to record. And they try all kinds of different ideas and then eventually start to kind of settle on this concept of loss and that obviously they lose. They lost Syd Barrett and that allows them to think about this stuff. But I think it was almost like Sid Barrett was like a catalyst for this. But I think the once. Once Roger Waters had got the idea, I kind of think that's okay. And then he kind of ran with it. Cause you often you hear him talk about this and he's like, well, yeah, okay. Like. So for us it was about Sid Barrett, but for you it might be something different. 139 00:09:54.700 --> 00:09:55.700 Yes. And, yeah. 140 00:09:55.700 --> 00:10:18.620 You know, like, wish you were here is. You know, you're. You're kind of. It's. It's the loss of somebody and the emotions. And this is the bit I was trying to get, is a long, meandering way of getting to your point. But it's the emotion of that missing somebody. Yeah. And what. Because it's not all just, oh, you know, I'm. I'm missing this person. There's other bits there. So there's like, anger. 141 00:10:18.620 --> 00:10:19.020 Yeah. 142 00:10:19.020 --> 00:10:36.520 In there about. I'm. You know, I'm angry that I'm missing that person. And, you know, there are. There are other. The other bits of the. The. The album. So you've got Wish you here, then you've got have a Cigar, which I think is kind of quite. It's quite an angry song. Not welcome to the machines. Quite cynical. 143 00:10:36.680 --> 00:10:37.480 Yeah. Yeah. 144 00:10:38.200 --> 00:10:49.440 And then. And then wish you were here is quite regretful. I think the beginning parts of wish you were here is kind of remember remembering, if you like. 145 00:10:49.440 --> 00:10:49.960 Yeah. 146 00:10:49.960 --> 00:11:00.480 That person that you. That you. And then. And then the final parts of kind of where the album closes. It's. It's about the emotions of how that makes you feel. 147 00:11:00.560 --> 00:11:01.040 Yeah. 148 00:11:01.680 --> 00:11:24.990 But. Yeah, I just. I think. And it's the other thing I think that's really important to us, is really interesting about this. A. All the songs are too long. I know what I mean. It's like. I famously. I really struggle with really long songs. But. But I think here it's. It's like an orchestration. Like. It's like a movement. 149 00:11:24.990 --> 00:11:27.590 They're not songs. Yeah. There's a lot of these things that aren't songs. 150 00:11:27.590 --> 00:11:33.790 It's not a verse, chorus. Verse, chorus. It's. It's this movement and. And it's the. The emotion. 151 00:11:33.870 --> 00:11:34.830 Yeah, yeah. 152 00:11:34.830 --> 00:11:35.790 As it goes through. 153 00:11:36.030 --> 00:11:37.310 So. So Dark side. 154 00:11:37.390 --> 00:11:37.750 Yeah. 155 00:11:37.750 --> 00:11:47.910 Dark side of the Moon. Like, everything, probably everything leading up to this point, really, with Pink Floyd was. They had songs. There were songs. There were songs on it. There were songs with bits of jamming instrumentally. Bits. 156 00:11:47.910 --> 00:12:00.250 I think when you go back to the early stuff. Yeah, they were very jammy jazz. There's a lot of that. And then I think Dark side, like you said, like, Dark side was a collection of songs. 157 00:12:00.250 --> 00:12:00.570 Yeah. 158 00:12:00.570 --> 00:12:03.970 I mean, okay. It is a. If you look at Dark side with. 159 00:12:03.970 --> 00:12:05.770 Sid, they were whimsical. Where. They're quite whimsical. 160 00:12:05.930 --> 00:12:07.050 Yeah, exactly. 161 00:12:07.210 --> 00:12:10.930 Yeah. But then. But then. Yeah. Dark side. You got all these songs. 162 00:12:10.930 --> 00:12:14.610 Well, Dark side for these. If Darkseid flows for me. 163 00:12:14.610 --> 00:12:14.890 Yeah. 164 00:12:14.890 --> 00:12:19.930 Yeah, there's songs. But it totally. It's really rare. I take Darkseid out of order. 165 00:12:20.270 --> 00:12:20.590 Yeah. 166 00:12:21.310 --> 00:12:36.349 I will almost always listen to it from beginning to end. In fact, it's incredibly rare for me to listen to Dark side and not finish it. I almost always listen to it all the way through. And they got panned in the press. By quite a few people for. Wish you were here. 167 00:12:36.350 --> 00:12:36.750 Yeah. 168 00:12:36.750 --> 00:12:39.510 Who weren't like you say they were. They were expecting the songs and then. 169 00:12:39.510 --> 00:12:49.730 What they got was like one song. Really. Yeah, well, two. Two bits of songs, like, surrounded by movements of music, textures, feelings, emotions in sound. 170 00:12:49.730 --> 00:12:56.690 I think where I got to this week with this is. It's not like a movement. It's not. It's nothing that kind of. 171 00:12:56.690 --> 00:12:57.090 No. 172 00:12:57.490 --> 00:12:58.930 Solid. It's. It's a thought. 173 00:12:59.250 --> 00:12:59.650 Yeah. 174 00:12:59.650 --> 00:13:12.930 And this album begins with this thought of missing somebody and what. That. What the emotions of that are. And then it kind of goes through that whole arc of those emotions and how. But it's a. It's a kind of a thought that. That is. 175 00:13:14.040 --> 00:13:27.720 I was thinking about it. The. There's. There's this idea of. But the. But there's this thing about being lost. There's a big thing about being lost. Like, you know, that. Stop. When they went into the studio, they had no songs. They had nothing to go on. 176 00:13:27.720 --> 00:13:29.000 They were kind of like darts. 177 00:13:29.080 --> 00:13:40.180 Yeah. Yeah. Just had no. Nothing. I know that feeling, like, you know, when you. I've had it recently. I remember speaking to Paddy about this and you could sort of see he was a little bit gutted for me. And I'm like, I haven't got anything to say. 178 00:13:40.180 --> 00:13:41.060 I don't know what to do. 179 00:13:41.060 --> 00:13:50.460 Yeah, I've got anything to say. I've said lots of stuff in. In music that I've written in, you know, and I really like writing for riding, though, because I. I don't have. I don't. I don't need to say anything. I can just speak through the music. 180 00:13:50.460 --> 00:13:51.180 Yeah. And then. 181 00:13:51.180 --> 00:14:03.660 And then Patty does that sort of thing. And there was this thing we were talking about where he's sort of saying, what about you as a writer or a creative? You know, what about your stuff? Like, right, what are you. And I was a bit like, I'm. I've. Got anything. I'm Got anything. 182 00:14:03.660 --> 00:14:05.500 I'm just really happy. I've got nothing to say. 183 00:14:05.580 --> 00:14:19.800 No, it's not that. It's just. It's just. There's nothing that wants to come out. I think that's probably the better way to put it. Ye. So I understand that frustration. And it's not writer's block. It's not like, you know, I'm trying to sit down and write. Nothing's coming out. It's that I don't even have the temptation to sit and. 184 00:14:20.200 --> 00:14:21.240 Right with a thing and do it. 185 00:14:21.240 --> 00:14:21.800 In the first place. 186 00:14:22.360 --> 00:14:30.840 And you've talked about this before, but it's. This is that. I can't remember how the words you used, but it's like this thing is in you. 187 00:14:30.920 --> 00:14:31.320 Yeah. 188 00:14:31.320 --> 00:14:33.240 And your job is to kind of let it out. 189 00:14:33.240 --> 00:14:33.560 Yeah. 190 00:14:33.560 --> 00:14:53.260 Yeah. You know, and that's how it feels. It's kind of like. It's not like you write it. It's not like you sit down and write. No, it's this thing and it's in you, and you've got to get it out somehow. And. And if that's with lyrics or with music or with art or whatever, it happens to be that you're almost a conduit of that, and it kind of lives within you. 191 00:14:54.380 --> 00:14:56.540 There's a point where he wanted to write instrumental things. 192 00:14:56.620 --> 00:14:56.980 Yeah. 193 00:14:56.980 --> 00:15:20.190 I thought, I've got plenty. I want to play and jam and do big jammy stuff. But, you know, everyone's like, why? You know, there was. There's this idea of, like, what. But, you know, you've got quite a good voice while you're singing on there. Like I've got anything to sing about, Which is. Yeah, it's crazy. But anyway, that's what. The point I was trying to make is that I understand the. The headspace and the mindset that these guys were perhaps in. 194 00:15:20.190 --> 00:15:28.630 Well, they did. There's all kinds of, like, really interesting stories where they went into the studio, didn't know what to do, spent a lot of time playing darts and dicking about, watching tv. 195 00:15:30.000 --> 00:15:33.240 A few thousand pounds a day, studio time. That's the madness, isn't it? 196 00:15:33.240 --> 00:15:43.360 They, for a big chunk of time, settled on this idea that they were going to write an album based. And all of the music came from Household objects. 197 00:15:43.440 --> 00:15:44.240 Yeah. Yeah. 198 00:15:44.240 --> 00:15:53.880 So they. They started to write and create based on this idea of, like, music from wine glasses and whatever. 199 00:15:53.880 --> 00:15:55.040 That's how you get Radiohead. 200 00:15:56.720 --> 00:16:02.220 And it's interesting. Gilmore's just like. He just went nowhere. You know, he just kind meandered and then went down the plo. 201 00:16:02.300 --> 00:16:45.550 We were clueless for a long time. We were faffing about, blindly trying to find a way forward and that sort of blindly wandering about not knowing what the fuck we were doing was what helped to create what came, you know, with Shine on youn Crazy diamond and the whole that Wish youh Were Here album. And that started quite painfully. It was difficult and we didn't know what we were doing. But by the time we were adding in those other songs, welcome to the Machine, have a Cigar, we were working on all cylinders. I would say by then, I think. 202 00:16:45.550 --> 00:16:52.950 It'S fascinating listening to Dave Gilmour talk about this period of, you know, it kind of happened the way it had to happen. 203 00:16:53.110 --> 00:16:53.590 Yeah. 204 00:16:53.590 --> 00:17:06.710 And there was this period where none of us knew what we wanted to do. None of us knew where to go next. The record company literally just wanted, you know, the other Dark side of the moon, you know, that's all they wanted. 205 00:17:07.910 --> 00:17:11.189 Well, it's that thing of, like. Right. That sold loads. Could you do another one of those then? 206 00:17:11.189 --> 00:17:11.750 Yeah, yeah. 207 00:17:11.830 --> 00:17:16.390 And you're just like, what? Yeah. I mean, the. The Pratt who we talk about. That's the pressure last. 208 00:17:16.390 --> 00:17:16.710 Last. 209 00:17:16.870 --> 00:17:34.559 Last time. Oh, it was Simon's dream. It was with Butch, Vic and with Billy and the pressure to come out with the. Nevermind. Yeah, they've done Nevermind. You know, you're like, it doesn't work like that. You can't just pull out and. Never mind. You can't pull out a Dark side of the moon. It doesn't work like that. 210 00:17:34.559 --> 00:17:36.199 It is. It is nuts, I think. 211 00:17:36.199 --> 00:18:29.550 We worked in this rehearsal room in King's Cross in London, Shitty little hole. And in that room we came up with what became Shine on, you, Crazy, Diamond Dogs and Sheep from the Animals album. Those three pieces were what we had worked up and were working on. And Roger, particularly, when we got to the studio, wanted to drop the one that became Dogs, which is called you Gotta Be Crazy at the time, and the one that became Sheep. And I didn't want that to happen. And we had some arguing about that for a while, but he was right and I was wrong. Not the first time. And we went on with Shine on youn Crazy dad and split it in two to open and close the album seemed to work. 212 00:18:40.440 --> 00:18:51.800 Sam. 213 00:19:08.250 --> 00:19:08.490 Sa. 214 00:19:32.730 --> 00:19:34.330 You're gonna fly high. 215 00:19:35.470 --> 00:19:36.910 You're never gonna die. 216 00:19:36.910 --> 00:19:39.550 You're gonna make it if you try back. 217 00:19:39.550 --> 00:19:40.670 I love you. 218 00:19:47.550 --> 00:21:37.550 Well, I've always had the deep respect. I mean, that most sensible. The band is just fantastic. That is really what I think. Oh, by the way, which one stink? And if we tail the name of we're going right in the gravy train. We're just no town we're all. Into the be we're so happy we go. Everybody else is just green now you'll see the char. It's a hell of a star. It could be made into a monster if we all pull together as a team. And if we tell you the name of the game boy, we call it Riding the Raving Dream. 219 00:23:14.610 --> 00:23:20.450 It's quite an iconic cover of this album, isn't it? There's, like, the Artwork on the COVID. 220 00:23:20.450 --> 00:23:47.140 This artwork comes from a media company called Hypnosis, who are one of my favorites if you like this kind of thing. I'm really nerdy when it comes to album art. I love it. And there is a documentary called Squaring the Circle, which is all about hypnosis. They talk about this cover. They talk about covers for Led Zeppelin and the Beatles and Rod Stewart, like, you know, that kind of London. 221 00:23:47.220 --> 00:23:47.700 Yeah. 222 00:23:47.860 --> 00:23:57.490 There was a whole bunch of bands in the 70s. Hypnosis did like all the big. All the big ones. It's really hard to find. I bought a copy on ebay. 223 00:23:57.960 --> 00:23:58.120 Right. 224 00:23:58.120 --> 00:24:06.680 Okay. So I, I bought. I bought a. I found the. I think it was the dvd DVD Blues. It was one of those DVD Blu Ray thing. 225 00:24:07.400 --> 00:24:08.440 A physical media. 226 00:24:08.680 --> 00:24:10.600 Very hard to get a coffee copy of it. 227 00:24:10.760 --> 00:24:12.480 Like a doco. A documentary about. 228 00:24:12.480 --> 00:24:16.640 Yeah, it's a documentary. It's. It's called Hypnosis. It's called Squaring the Circle. 229 00:24:16.640 --> 00:24:17.320 Yeah. Yeah. 230 00:24:18.040 --> 00:24:19.240 It talks about this album. 231 00:24:19.240 --> 00:24:19.640 Yeah. 232 00:24:19.640 --> 00:24:26.260 Cover. It talks about loads of album because it talks about Dark side. It talks about the. The led Zeppelin one. 233 00:24:27.380 --> 00:24:28.020 YouTube? 234 00:24:28.020 --> 00:24:28.860 I don't think so. 235 00:24:28.860 --> 00:24:30.100 I think that's your job now. 236 00:24:30.580 --> 00:24:32.340 Put. To find it on YouTube or put it on YouTube. 237 00:24:32.340 --> 00:24:33.140 Put it on YouTube. 238 00:24:33.620 --> 00:24:59.230 I'll get. I'll get. I'll get canceled. Anyway. It's. If you like that kind of thing, it's worth. If. If you're a bit nerdy and you like that kind of. Do you know what it's worth going on the ebay and tracking it down and getting it and, and finding a dusty old DVD player and doing it? It's. I. I was. Was enthralled by it in general. This album cover, when it shipped, looked like that. I'm showing Chris. 239 00:24:59.630 --> 00:25:01.150 Oh, yeah, I've seen that there before. 240 00:25:01.390 --> 00:25:09.390 For the. For the tape, I am showing Chris a copy of what it actually looked like. So they shipped it in black shrink wrap. 241 00:25:09.390 --> 00:25:09.870 Yeah. 242 00:25:09.870 --> 00:25:14.590 With a sticker on the front with two robot arms shaking hands. 243 00:25:14.590 --> 00:25:15.070 Yeah. 244 00:25:16.110 --> 00:26:18.250 And the record company hated it. They absolutely hated that concept of doing that. But Pink Floyd, really, it was in. Really important to. To do that. Like the, the. The. The logo on the front. That sticker on the front of the robot hands was meant to be kind of like these, These kind of lifeless hands, like. Like a fake, fake shake kind of that, like have a cigar and welcome to the machine kind of thing. As for the actual album artwork itself, it was interesting. It's got the two guys shaking hands. Yeah. And then one of them's on. On fire. It's meant to be like a bringing to the life of the, of the, of the term. Getting burnt with a deal and they were. Roger Waters was very anti record business at this point. So it was kind of very aimed like, like squarely at the, the record industry. Burning artists and. 245 00:26:18.490 --> 00:26:18.970 Yeah. 246 00:26:18.970 --> 00:26:28.970 Being unfair. The thing that I didn't know until I did the blog this week was that there's quite a few different versions of it. Right, okay, I'm sure. 247 00:26:29.050 --> 00:26:31.930 Oh yeah, there's different like shadings of. 248 00:26:31.930 --> 00:26:44.050 It or the tape showing Chris there. So. But you can see there's slightly different times of the day. Yeah, you can see the shadows are in different places. The actors are. They're two stuntmen and they set one on fire, apparently. 249 00:26:44.050 --> 00:26:51.990 Oh, I see. So they're actually two, they're. Oh, I thought, I didn't look at it properly. I thought they were the same shot, just colored differently. No, but actually totally different shots. 250 00:26:52.950 --> 00:26:55.150 I'm handing Chris my tablet so we can have a look. 251 00:26:55.150 --> 00:26:59.990 But look, it's a nice tablet, this is. Yeah, it's totally different image, isn't it? 252 00:27:00.710 --> 00:27:03.510 The shadows. It's taken at a different time, different angle. 253 00:27:03.510 --> 00:27:06.470 Different, different. Yeah, everything, everything's different about it. 254 00:27:06.950 --> 00:27:09.990 And I, I didn't. There is something in me that I love. 255 00:27:10.230 --> 00:27:12.150 The Holland is the one that we know, isn't it? 256 00:27:12.630 --> 00:27:31.770 I don't know. I haven't got a copy of this, so I, I, this is one that I don't have a copy of. So I. Millions of copies of Dark side. Yeah, I can tell you all about that. But I don't have, I don't have a real copy of this. So it was just what I could find online. But I just think it's really fascinating. It's really. 257 00:27:31.770 --> 00:27:34.930 Wouldn't it be wicked if they did a different cover in every territory? 258 00:27:34.930 --> 00:27:43.810 I don't think it was that excessive. But then you had this on the back, look, you had the empty suit concept on the back. So if you look at the. 259 00:27:43.810 --> 00:27:44.690 Yes, okay. Yeah. 260 00:27:45.090 --> 00:27:49.960 And again, it was kind of picking at the record industry and it was kind of, you know. 261 00:27:52.430 --> 00:27:53.550 Have a look at your tablet again. 262 00:27:53.630 --> 00:27:56.670 Yeah, of course you can. I'm just handing Chris my tablet. 263 00:27:58.670 --> 00:28:00.750 Yeah, it's the same. It's the Holland one. 264 00:28:00.990 --> 00:28:01.590 Is it? 265 00:28:01.590 --> 00:28:02.110 Yeah. 266 00:28:04.190 --> 00:28:24.560 So, yeah, I, I, for me, it's, I think it's really interesting the COVID for this one A, it's got hypnosis who did everything and did loads of really cool stuff. Some of their work. It's worth noting that hypnosis did this. They were the creative force behind it. Not Pink Floyd. 267 00:28:24.560 --> 00:28:25.000 Yes. 268 00:28:25.000 --> 00:28:55.960 So. And this was true of a bunch of this stuff where bands would go with hypnosis and say, here's. Here's our new album. I need. I need a thing. And then they would, they would go off and try and figure out how best to do that and then. And then come up. But they would also do stuff off spec. They would also go and like, they get ideas and God, you know what? I've got this idea. I think this would be really, really cool. So they would go and do it. But of course, this is way before digital art and Photoshop and stuff. So like today this would just be done in Photoshop or AI Whatever. 269 00:28:55.960 --> 00:28:56.360 Yeah. 270 00:28:56.360 --> 00:28:58.760 Back then they actually literally set somebody on fire. 271 00:28:58.840 --> 00:28:59.320 Yeah. 272 00:28:59.400 --> 00:29:16.900 And all of the album covers in, in the 70s that I think were really cool. It's like a golden era of album art. I think it was all done for real. Yeah. Like the Led Zeppelin one where they're. They're all, they're all the mermaids and stuff. The holy Y on the. The causeway. 273 00:29:16.900 --> 00:29:17.780 Yeah, yeah. 274 00:29:18.820 --> 00:29:22.660 They had to go and paint people gold and it's all done for real. 275 00:29:22.820 --> 00:29:23.220 Yeah. 276 00:29:23.220 --> 00:29:51.000 You know, and a lot of these were done on spec ahead and then as somebody took their album to Hypnosis, they would go and say, oh, we've got this. You could have this one. You could have this one. Or we could go and do something new and. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know. Just an incredible time in. Yeah. When, when. For me it was when art meant, like the artwork on these albums means. It's, it's as an integral part of the album. 277 00:29:51.000 --> 00:30:30.730 Yeah, yeah. Well, Storm came in as he would on every album and spent time with us while we were recording and would talk to us about what the album was about and what we were trying to get to. And as the sort of theme of the album was absence, Storm went away and thought about absence. And so you have a person swimming with an absence of water and a body in a suit with an absence of the body and a person diving into water with an absence of splash. Do you think that's because they were big? I know, it's ridiculous. They were big and in front of you and they needed to be good. 278 00:30:30.730 --> 00:30:37.640 I think there's some of that, but I think also it, it's. It's because albums made a lot of money back then. 279 00:30:37.640 --> 00:30:38.080 Yeah. 280 00:30:38.160 --> 00:30:45.120 So this one, the pre release version of this was like a million. It sold like a Million copies in the us. 281 00:30:45.280 --> 00:30:45.760 Yeah. 282 00:30:46.240 --> 00:30:47.280 Ahead of sale. 283 00:30:47.520 --> 00:30:48.000 Wow. 284 00:30:48.320 --> 00:30:50.560 And you have to bear in mind there are no singles. 285 00:30:50.560 --> 00:30:51.240 Yeah, yeah. 286 00:30:51.240 --> 00:31:05.520 No one's heard it. And then. So a million copies, I think it was 900,000, I think, in the US and a quarter of a million here in the UK. Not a single of. Well, that's not true, exactly. They did do. In the. 287 00:31:05.600 --> 00:31:06.800 Have a Cigar. 288 00:31:06.880 --> 00:31:50.790 Yeah, The US did have a cigar. Yeah. But in the UK and the rest of the world was nothing. And the band didn't care. The band couldn't care less. They toured this album before it came out, which is another, like, bonkers thing. So they went off and did Shine on, you, Crazy diamond and have A Cigar, I think. And then they did. But they only did, like the. The parts one to five. I don't think they did the whole, like 20 minute. They might have done. But they did. They did that. They did have to go. They did a few other bits and pieces that actually. Songs that would have gone on to Animals. They didn't actually go on to wish you were here. And then they did. They did like half a dozen shows. 289 00:31:50.790 --> 00:31:51.110 Yeah. 290 00:31:51.500 --> 00:31:53.460 And then they went back in the studio to record Animals. 291 00:31:53.460 --> 00:31:54.060 Yeah, yeah. 292 00:31:54.220 --> 00:32:04.100 They were like done now, you know, fully boots. So then they. By the time this album was released and was going up the charts. Yeah, they were back in the studio recording Animals. 293 00:32:04.100 --> 00:32:04.540 Yeah. 294 00:32:04.620 --> 00:32:08.300 Which again, I think is. It's a bit. Bit mad. 295 00:32:08.300 --> 00:32:08.700 Yeah. 296 00:32:10.300 --> 00:32:52.980 But, yeah, but the fact that there were no. Yeah, there's no obvious singles and the record company was, you know, pretty annoyed. Why? Yeah, why. Why is there no. Why is there no single. Famously, the reviewers were confused when it came out. So one of the most famous ones is a guy called Ben, Ben Edmonds from Rolling Stone. He said it was lackadaisical and that it lacked emotion. It's just bizarre. And he said. There's a lovely quote that I picked for the blog. He says they gave such a matter of fact performance, they might as well be singing about Roger Waters brother in law getting a parking ticket. 297 00:32:53.140 --> 00:32:54.100 Yeah, yeah. 298 00:32:54.980 --> 00:33:11.700 UK Melody Maker called the album unconvincing in ponderous insincerity. Critical lack of imagination in all departments. I think some of it is. I think some of it is that they were expecting Darkseid version two. 299 00:33:11.700 --> 00:33:12.460 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 300 00:33:12.460 --> 00:33:18.860 And what they actually got was a bit of a sprawling thought and it needed a bit of thinking where they were, actually. 301 00:33:19.340 --> 00:33:25.780 So it was. It was. It was Dark side, then this. Then the wall. Wasn't it that? Animals? 302 00:33:25.780 --> 00:33:27.980 Then the wall was this. 303 00:33:29.260 --> 00:33:37.820 See that's a really. But that's a really logical time. Like when you see it, when you look at it retrospectively, that order of albums makes sense, doesn't it? 304 00:33:38.300 --> 00:33:43.430 I'm looking now because for some reason. Oh, my Internet's gone off. For some reason, I think there's. 305 00:33:43.430 --> 00:33:44.310 Was there an extra one? 306 00:33:44.710 --> 00:33:55.270 Oh, no. Animals. The Wall. Yeah. So we had Wish youh Were Here. I knew there was another one, but it's because when you look on Apple music, there's Animals and then there's the 2018 remix of Animals. 307 00:33:55.270 --> 00:33:55.710 Okay. 308 00:33:55.710 --> 00:34:10.320 Now I must absolutely applaud the Pink Floyd Boys, because I can still listen to the original 1977 version of Animals. And then there's the 2018 remix, where, again, see the COVID artwork. I like the COVID artwork of Animals. 309 00:34:10.320 --> 00:34:10.760 Yeah. 310 00:34:10.760 --> 00:34:14.360 Is Battersea Power Station. That's now Apple's headquarters in the uk. 311 00:34:14.360 --> 00:34:15.800 Yes, of course it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 312 00:34:15.800 --> 00:34:31.960 Spend a lot of time there. It's really cool. I love the Apple Boys. They're awesome. But the. The remix one has got like the newer version on it. But I like. I like the fact that I can still listen to original. Yeah, everyone should do that. If you're gonna remix, you're gonna remake whatever you're gonna do. 313 00:34:31.960 --> 00:34:32.630 Yeah, yeah. 314 00:34:32.630 --> 00:34:33.910 Leave the original one there. 315 00:34:33.910 --> 00:34:34.390 Yeah. 316 00:34:34.390 --> 00:34:44.470 Don't be a. I was going to say as well, that. So those reviews, lots of them have changed their opinion since. 317 00:34:44.550 --> 00:34:48.950 Of course they have. Well, wonder if a million sales have had something to do with that. 318 00:34:49.190 --> 00:35:02.590 I don't know. I kind of think there's. There's something to do with this. Like when I. When I remember first being played Pink Floyd and just thinking, whatever. 319 00:35:02.670 --> 00:35:03.630 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 320 00:35:03.630 --> 00:35:10.350 I don't get it. Don't get now. It's a really fundamental part of my, like, musical diet. 321 00:35:10.430 --> 00:35:10.830 Yeah. 322 00:35:10.830 --> 00:35:14.669 Pink Floyd is something I listen to like super regularly. 323 00:35:14.670 --> 00:35:15.150 Yeah. 324 00:35:16.270 --> 00:35:35.880 Monthly, weekly, probably a Pink Floyd song. I think you can change your opinion on stuff and I think is your taste changes as you get older and that's very true. You know, you do. You do like different things, but I don't think you should change. Like, Pink Floyd is a bit boring. 325 00:35:35.880 --> 00:35:36.160 Yeah. 326 00:35:36.160 --> 00:35:46.120 Right. There's no getting around. It's not exciting. It doesn't slam you in the face like a hardcore record or like the Prodigy or. Do you know what I mean? It doesn't like smack your up. 327 00:35:46.520 --> 00:35:47.200 Yeah, yeah. 328 00:35:47.200 --> 00:35:51.560 You know, but it's. It's a different. You engage with it slightly differently. 329 00:35:51.560 --> 00:35:52.280 Yeah, it's true. 330 00:35:53.080 --> 00:36:04.380 And you know, I think what it says more about you and the position you were in. So you know these reviewers. So Ben Edmonds, when he listened to it, I think that probably says more about him and where he was than. 331 00:36:04.780 --> 00:36:05.820 The mother band was. 332 00:36:05.820 --> 00:36:16.060 The band was in, the album was. And I think you live with that. There are reviews that I wrote back, like, 10 years. 10 years ago about albums that I just think. You just think they're shocking. 333 00:36:16.140 --> 00:36:16.540 Yeah. 334 00:36:16.540 --> 00:36:19.500 But that was how I perceived it at the time. 335 00:36:19.580 --> 00:36:21.020 Okay. Yeah, yeah, makes sense. 336 00:36:21.420 --> 00:36:26.900 So I don't think you should back out of that, but I think you could change. You could say, look, I did think it was boring at the time. And actually now I think it's. 337 00:36:26.900 --> 00:36:29.680 Well, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's all right. 338 00:36:29.680 --> 00:36:29.880 Yeah. 339 00:36:29.880 --> 00:36:30.840 It's hard to change your mind. 340 00:36:30.840 --> 00:36:32.760 It is. It's a good thing to change your mind. 341 00:36:33.960 --> 00:36:35.160 Should we talk about Sid? 342 00:36:35.880 --> 00:36:36.360 Yeah. 343 00:36:36.360 --> 00:36:37.240 Are we there yet? 344 00:36:37.320 --> 00:36:38.360 We can talk about Sid. 345 00:36:38.360 --> 00:36:47.480 Yeah. Because there was this moment. So. So Sid hadn't been in the band since before Darkseid. 346 00:36:47.720 --> 00:36:55.040 Well, they said. I'm sure you hear them talk about about 68ish, which was like a saucer full of secrets. 347 00:36:55.040 --> 00:36:55.440 Yeah. 348 00:36:55.440 --> 00:36:55.800 Time. 349 00:36:55.800 --> 00:36:56.680 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 350 00:36:58.000 --> 00:37:10.400 So, yeah, I mean, looking at the. Looking at the stuff that they did, I think he was unsource. Full of secrets. Then they did Pluto MacGumer and Atom Hartmother and Medal and stuff. I think he was kind of. Not really. 351 00:37:10.880 --> 00:37:13.000 Yeah, he would drift away at that point. 352 00:37:13.000 --> 00:37:16.000 Big part of the. Of the music at that point. 353 00:37:16.080 --> 00:37:22.880 And it wasn't like they'd sacked him or, you know, anything went particularly wrong. It was that he was really poorly. 354 00:37:23.760 --> 00:37:37.400 He got into Roger. There's a lovely interview with Roger Waters that a long time ago that I listened to, where Rogers basically said, look at the mates that he had at the time were really heavily into lsd. 355 00:37:37.400 --> 00:37:37.880 Yeah. 356 00:37:38.600 --> 00:37:40.880 And LSD impacts people in different ways. 357 00:37:40.880 --> 00:37:41.240 Yeah. 358 00:37:41.240 --> 00:37:58.120 And it had a. Like, in some people, it has like a. Like a. I've got positive impact or, you know, some people, it's just, like, weird. And on Sid, it was. It just ended up being really negative. It really. You know, there was clearly some underlying, you know, mental issues. 359 00:37:58.120 --> 00:37:59.760 Yeah. That this thing was exacerbated. 360 00:37:59.760 --> 00:38:07.440 And it just really brought that out for him. And in. In all the worst ways. It made him, like. Like totally dysfunctional. 361 00:38:07.440 --> 00:38:07.960 Yeah. 362 00:38:09.240 --> 00:38:19.000 And, you know, and. And it. But it just totally encapsulated him. It kind of built this shell around him and. And he couldn't get out. 363 00:38:19.000 --> 00:38:25.650 Yeah. Yeah. Which is super interesting because I never really connected with the Earlier Pink Floyd stuff. 364 00:38:26.290 --> 00:38:29.410 No, I. Always the same and still am, actually. 365 00:38:29.410 --> 00:38:29.850 Yeah. 366 00:38:29.850 --> 00:38:40.130 Like, as we talked about that compilation, it's got to see Emily play. And you. I think, on there at the beginning, I. I like them. 367 00:38:40.210 --> 00:38:40.690 Yeah. 368 00:38:40.850 --> 00:38:51.290 But I. I'm never, like, super tempted by the earlier Pink Floyd. Now, I know a lot of my friends who have, like, in, like, would consider themselves, like. I don't consider myself a Pink Floyd fan. 369 00:38:51.290 --> 00:38:51.530 No. 370 00:38:51.530 --> 00:39:14.510 I listen to Pink Fl loads. My last fm. They're always in the top ten artists for me. Like, I don't consider myself a fan, which is really weird. You know, I've seen the Australian Pink Floyd. I've seen Dark side of the Moon played at the National Space center on there. What's the big ceiling projector? 371 00:39:14.670 --> 00:39:16.390 Not auditorium. Planetarium. 372 00:39:16.390 --> 00:39:18.950 Planetarium. Yeah. Imagine that. So you lie on your back. 373 00:39:18.950 --> 00:39:19.510 Yeah, yeah. 374 00:39:19.510 --> 00:39:22.910 And you see, you're in the. You're in the universe. Flying through space. 375 00:39:22.910 --> 00:39:23.430 Yeah, yeah. 376 00:39:23.430 --> 00:39:24.500 While they play Dark side of the Moon. 377 00:39:24.650 --> 00:39:25.210 Yeah, yeah. 378 00:39:26.250 --> 00:39:36.130 But I don't consider myself a Pink Floyd fan. And I think it's because those earlier. I don't. I'm not turned on, particularly by them. They're too complicated for me. There's something about. It's like jazz. 379 00:39:36.130 --> 00:39:36.890 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 380 00:39:36.890 --> 00:40:03.360 They're too. This is on the verge for me, but I think it's because it's in bits. I think there's. There's that, you know, wish you were here is like 20 minutes long, essentially. But there are bits that you could. I can hear bits stopping and starting and stopping, and it feels like the things are moving. So although it's. They're not songs, I can kind of feel them. It feels like songs to me. Yes, the. Some. Well, a lot of the earlier, you know, Sorcerer, full of secrets and stuff. 381 00:40:03.360 --> 00:40:03.760 Yeah. 382 00:40:04.080 --> 00:40:07.840 It's just a bit too much. 383 00:40:07.920 --> 00:40:08.480 Yeah. 384 00:40:09.040 --> 00:40:09.920 If that makes sense. 385 00:40:09.920 --> 00:40:14.240 Yeah, yeah, totally. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 386 00:40:14.960 --> 00:40:28.120 I just looked on ebay while you were faffing around a minute ago for the. Squaring the circle, the story of hypnosis. Yeah, There's. There's. There are copies on there and you can still buy. They've just done a collector's copy. Copy, which you can buy. I thought I would add that while. 387 00:40:28.120 --> 00:40:28.600 There we go. 388 00:40:28.600 --> 00:40:42.080 While I was faffing. You can buy it, but you can buy it for 10 squids and you can buy. You can. You can buy that. There's a. You can get. It's really cool, actually. You can get, like, posters and other bits and pieces, but. 389 00:40:42.080 --> 00:40:42.360 Yeah. 390 00:40:42.360 --> 00:40:46.600 Yeah. About 10 quid for a used copy of the DVD or about 20 quid. 391 00:40:46.680 --> 00:40:47.040 Yeah. 392 00:40:47.040 --> 00:40:49.960 If you want the like signed collectors. 393 00:40:50.600 --> 00:40:51.360 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 394 00:40:51.360 --> 00:41:09.500 I think I bought a used dvd but dead. If you like album art, I would. I would properly recommend. I'm going to click on it because it told me it's got. It's got stuff in. Stories in there from Pink Floyd, led Zeppelin, Paul McCartney, Peter Gabriel, 10cc and Noel Gallagher. Okay. 395 00:41:09.500 --> 00:41:10.060 Yeah, yeah. 396 00:41:10.060 --> 00:41:16.900 No, Gallagher, I think. Yeah. I don't know what. I can't remember. I think Noel Gallagher is just like a talking head on there. 397 00:41:16.900 --> 00:41:17.580 Yeah. Yeah. 398 00:41:17.580 --> 00:41:19.020 You know, he's got a gob on him and. 399 00:41:19.020 --> 00:41:19.500 Yeah, yeah. 400 00:41:19.500 --> 00:41:21.260 I think he's just there telling the world how it. 401 00:41:21.260 --> 00:41:23.860 Wish you were here. As nearly as good a song as he could write. That kind of. 402 00:41:23.860 --> 00:41:27.680 Yeah. Kind of thing. Yeah, that kind of thing. When you know he's talking about. 403 00:41:29.840 --> 00:41:32.000 I'm being facetious. No, Gallagher can write a song. 404 00:41:32.000 --> 00:41:32.400 I'm not. 405 00:41:32.960 --> 00:41:34.080 He can write a song. 406 00:41:34.160 --> 00:42:04.030 My friend. My friend Rob at work describes himself as an opinion on a stick. That's what he thinks. That's what he says his job is. And that's how I feel. No, Gallagher is a lot of the time in this world of. Of everyone being scared to death of being cancelled and not saying this word, not saying that word. You know, analyzing everything. AI Polished stuff everywhere where having someone like Norgallagher call you A is just. I don't know, there's just something really refreshing about. 407 00:42:05.070 --> 00:42:07.470 He just says the bits everyone wants to say. But filters. That's the thing. 408 00:42:07.470 --> 00:42:25.825 I don't. Yeah. I'm not sure because it's interesting. I think sometimes it comes across as nor Gallagher just wanting to be offensive for the sake of being offensive. I'm not sure it is. I think it's just there is genuine opinions and I just think he's. He's a guy with an opinion and, you know, I think. 409 00:42:25.825 --> 00:42:26.300 Think we're. 410 00:42:26.540 --> 00:42:32.500 This is a proper off piece thing, but I think we're in danger of no one having an opinion anymore. 411 00:42:32.500 --> 00:42:32.820 Yeah. 412 00:42:32.820 --> 00:42:35.500 They're so scared of being judged about what that opinion is. 413 00:42:35.500 --> 00:42:35.780 Yeah. 414 00:42:35.780 --> 00:42:40.860 We've lost the ability to disagree with someone who's got a different opinion. 415 00:42:40.860 --> 00:42:41.420 Yeah. 416 00:42:41.580 --> 00:42:44.780 And still be mates and still be like going, well, I think differently. 417 00:42:44.780 --> 00:42:45.180 Yeah. 418 00:42:45.180 --> 00:42:46.420 Shall we have a pint? Yeah. 419 00:42:46.420 --> 00:42:46.660 Yeah. 420 00:42:46.660 --> 00:42:51.750 Do you know what I mean? I think we've lost that. We've. We've just seemed to have lost this ability to you. 421 00:42:52.390 --> 00:43:00.830 We just don't talk about that stuff. If you disagree about. If you disagree, you Have a chat about it. You say, all right, we're different on that. Well, let's just not talk about that again then. Yeah. That's a dividing thing. 422 00:43:00.830 --> 00:43:02.110 Or just. Yeah. If it's really difficult. 423 00:43:02.110 --> 00:43:02.310 Yeah. 424 00:43:02.310 --> 00:43:11.350 If you've got a different opinion, it's got. Well, I. I don't know. Anyway, I. I think. I think that we're in real danger of. And I think AI is making it much worse. 425 00:43:11.350 --> 00:43:11.750 Yeah. 426 00:43:11.750 --> 00:43:14.510 I think it's kind of just polishing this thing. So. 427 00:43:14.510 --> 00:43:14.790 Yeah. 428 00:43:14.790 --> 00:43:16.150 Yeah. You know, it will. 429 00:43:16.230 --> 00:43:16.890 Group think. 430 00:43:17.680 --> 00:43:49.860 Yeah. It was interesting when we did. We were going to. We never did it because we were both a bit sick. Actually. Maybe we should do it. I. I did this thing where I. I took all of the transcripts from all of the rufology shows from last calendar year from 2025, and dumped them all into AI and got it to analyze them and kind of summarize and then give feedback on how we were doing, what it thought. Thought. Yeah, we were doing. Because it gives you. It's literally a word by word transcript of both of us. Of what we view, who said what. 431 00:43:49.860 --> 00:43:50.380 Yeah. 432 00:43:50.380 --> 00:43:54.660 And it was interesting the way it picks out bits. 433 00:43:54.660 --> 00:43:55.180 Yeah, yeah. 434 00:43:55.180 --> 00:44:11.420 That are potentially alien. You know, I hate that you may have a. You know, you. You. You made this comment about, you know, Bob Rock being a. And, you know, you're going to alienate people and. Yeah, well, he is a dickhead. He's not a dickhead. He's lovely. 435 00:44:11.660 --> 00:44:12.100 But it. 436 00:44:12.100 --> 00:44:18.580 But you get what I mean. It's like this. This, like, guidance and goal of. Of everybody who's. 437 00:44:18.740 --> 00:44:19.620 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 438 00:44:19.780 --> 00:44:36.020 Everywhere. And it's like. I don't know, isn't it? It's not like I want to offend people. Like, I don't want people to be angry, but I don't want to be, like, scared to death that I might say, do you know what? Like, Metallica's Load album isn't my favorite. 439 00:44:36.020 --> 00:44:37.220 Yeah. With. Without. 440 00:44:37.700 --> 00:44:48.240 Without somebody, like, feeling the need to punch me. I kind of want them to go, well, actually, it's got fuel on it. It's got. This one. It's got. I really like it. And I'm like, oh, well, yeah, actually. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? 441 00:44:48.240 --> 00:44:48.800 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 442 00:44:48.800 --> 00:44:58.080 And the same with this. It's the same. My friend's a really deep, dark Pink Floyd fan, and, you know, he loves that early Pink Floyd. He doesn't like it. So by the time you're here in. 443 00:44:58.080 --> 00:44:59.360 The design that's not his Pink Floyd anymore. 444 00:44:59.360 --> 00:45:17.770 He's gone. He's like, it's boring now they're writing songs. I'm not interested. I kind of want this kind of way out stuff. But he'll present that to me and hey, you listen to this bit. This bit really, really cool. And it is. Yeah, yeah. I don't. Anyway, that's no Gallagher in a nutshell. He's an opinion on a stick. 445 00:45:18.730 --> 00:45:34.970 Right, shall we talk about wish you were here. The song because. Oh yeah, it is, it is beautiful. It's one that. And I've got. I've got to go a little bit. So I play it a lot. Right. If you. If you get. If you ever get someone hand you a 12 string guitar. 446 00:45:35.130 --> 00:45:35.610 Yeah. 447 00:45:35.930 --> 00:45:37.610 Your plane. Wish you were here on it. 448 00:45:37.770 --> 00:45:40.090 That's just a thing, you know, it's. 449 00:45:40.090 --> 00:46:00.470 Like, you know, like the Stairways of heaven thing, you know, know Stairway, no stairway. Well, if you. With a 12 string guitar. If anyone gives you a 12 string guitar, you have to play the intro which you're here on it. That's. That's actually in law and it's a song. Because I used to have a 12 string guitar and I used to only play a 12 string acoustic guitar because I didn't have a six string. I only had a 12 string. 450 00:46:00.470 --> 00:46:00.750 Yeah. 451 00:46:00.750 --> 00:46:01.950 And that was kind of my thing for a bit. 452 00:46:01.950 --> 00:46:02.710 But 12's more. 453 00:46:03.030 --> 00:46:04.470 Yeah, yeah, exactly. 454 00:46:05.270 --> 00:46:05.750 Yeah. 455 00:46:06.310 --> 00:47:02.430 And the way a 12 string is choose just for. Just for the nerds is you've got the normal six strings of a guitar are. And then for this sort of lowest pitched four strings which are tuned on ordinary tuning, E, a D and G. You. You've got the octave above. So you've got a low E then a higher E, then a low A, then a higher A and then a low D then a high D and then a low G and then a high G. And what you get is this kind of rich ringing kind of resonant sound where if you can listen really closely to that. Wish you were here. If you'll hear the first note, it is actually two notes. Dum da da dum dum. And each one of those notes is actually two. You've got a low note and a high note. And Anyway that's the 12 string thing. And it's really important because I've always tried to. If I ever play at a six string guitar, it doesn't sound right. You have. It has to be a 12 string guitar for it to sound right. And I used to play it with my friend Chris Hoskins. 456 00:47:02.510 --> 00:47:02.910 Yeah. 457 00:47:02.910 --> 00:47:48.710 Who was actually a lecturer at College and sort of look around the course and stuff. And we did an album together and we called ourselves Earthsey. And it's a beautiful. Got some beautiful songs on it. Lovely like folky kind of stuff. And we used to play Wish you were here a lot live. And he used to do the, the sort of lead line on it on a harmonica. So. Because it's that you that used to hearing it with an acoustic guitar and then when you hear the harmonica, it's got different sound to it. And the reason I'm going here and ranting about it so much is because there's another version of Wish we're here that's played with a violin. Because there was like, you know, you said earlier about, with. I don't know if we did this while we're recording, but, you know, have a cigar. It was a different vocalist, wasn't it? It wasn't Dave Gilmore. 458 00:47:49.590 --> 00:47:50.070 Yeah. 459 00:47:50.070 --> 00:47:52.790 It was Roy Harper because he was knocking about. 460 00:47:52.870 --> 00:48:02.310 Yeah. He was next door. Yeah, next door. And Dave Gilmore and Roger Waters both recorded vocals for it. Both were unhappy with how it sounded. 461 00:48:02.460 --> 00:48:02.700 Did. 462 00:48:04.220 --> 00:48:13.940 He was next door. So they said, can you have a go? He had a go. They liked it. In retrospect, Roger Water said it was a huge mistake. Not that he didn't do a great job, but he just wished that he wished it. 463 00:48:13.940 --> 00:48:15.660 He had his voice on it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 464 00:48:15.660 --> 00:48:16.580 Control Freak, I think. 465 00:48:16.580 --> 00:48:28.220 Yeah, yeah. So there's that. But then, but then on Wish you were here, there's also a cut of Wish we were here on some of these new anniversary editions that's got this kind of virtuoso violin play. I can't remember the person's name. 466 00:48:28.220 --> 00:48:28.700 Yeah. 467 00:48:28.860 --> 00:48:43.010 But, but he was just knocking about in the studio video like, like, like Harper was. And then they're like, come and have a go on this violin thing. And it's unbelievable. So, but you that used to. Hearing the guitar there. It's so weird when, and jarring when you get the violin. 468 00:48:44.610 --> 00:48:45.170 Yeah. 469 00:48:46.130 --> 00:48:49.610 That was, Sorry, I was. That was a bit of a meandering little story. 470 00:48:49.610 --> 00:48:56.530 I think it's really good. I I It's worth pointing out. Well, I think for me in, in, in Pink Floyd history. 471 00:48:56.980 --> 00:48:57.300 Yeah. 472 00:48:59.780 --> 00:49:04.100 So wish you were here has got the, I think the best lyrics. 473 00:49:04.180 --> 00:49:04.660 Yeah. 474 00:49:04.820 --> 00:49:09.540 On it. Of any song ever. I I the lyrics for. 475 00:49:10.260 --> 00:49:11.220 Everyone knows them. 476 00:49:11.460 --> 00:49:11.860 Yeah. 477 00:49:11.860 --> 00:49:13.860 It's like, it's like, it's like living on a prayer. 478 00:49:13.860 --> 00:49:18.340 They're just iconic, aren't they? And they're so, like weighty. 479 00:49:18.420 --> 00:49:18.940 Yeah. 480 00:49:18.940 --> 00:49:27.430 You know, little things. So there's like. I mean, the big one is weird. We're just two lost souls living in a fishbowl. Yeah. 481 00:49:27.430 --> 00:49:27.790 Yeah. 482 00:49:28.430 --> 00:49:29.790 Which is. Is. 483 00:49:31.070 --> 00:49:35.750 I wonder if this was the start of, like, some of the wall themes coming through. 484 00:49:35.750 --> 00:49:41.750 Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Well, yeah. I mean, for me, this is a thought, an emotional thought, and the wall kind of takes. 485 00:49:41.750 --> 00:49:43.030 It zooms in. Yeah. Yeah. 486 00:49:43.030 --> 00:49:59.320 But it's just like, you know, did they get you to trade your heroes for ghosts? Yeah. Hot ashes for trees. Hot air for cool breeze. And then, you know, you've just got. I. This. It's weighty. It's got. It's got a walk on. 487 00:49:59.320 --> 00:50:03.120 Part in a war for lead role in occasions. That sort of stuff. It's so, so good. Yeah. 488 00:50:03.360 --> 00:50:07.840 Phenomenal. Yeah. Just. 489 00:50:07.840 --> 00:50:10.320 There's a poetry to it, isn't there? There is a poetry to it. 490 00:50:10.320 --> 00:50:36.910 And it's interesting because it's kind of in the middle of. Of the album, but it's. Yeah, there. There is. There is very, very definitely that. Yeah. That feel like shine on you crazy diamond gets all of the attention for this, I think, for this record. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But the lyrics in. In wish you were here. 491 00:50:36.990 --> 00:50:37.470 Yeah. 492 00:50:38.670 --> 00:50:45.090 I mean, it's an incredible SO song. But that. Yeah. They hit you. 493 00:50:45.090 --> 00:50:45.570 Yeah. 494 00:50:45.730 --> 00:50:49.370 In a way that often song lyrics don't. 495 00:50:49.370 --> 00:50:49.690 No. 496 00:50:49.690 --> 00:51:10.170 And they stick with you. They kind of stick with their kind of. I was gonna. They're. It feels like the first time you listen to wish you were here, those lyrics, like, attach to bits of. You know. I mean, it's kind of like. Oh, yeah. And they. They. But I think they mean slightly different things to all of us. You know what I mean? They're kind of. But they're just. 497 00:51:10.240 --> 00:51:10.480 Just. 498 00:51:11.040 --> 00:51:14.960 They. They. Yeah, they connect. They resonate with. With people. 499 00:51:15.040 --> 00:51:16.640 Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. 500 00:51:16.960 --> 00:51:20.760 But. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, extraordinary album when you. 501 00:51:20.760 --> 00:51:21.120 Yeah. 502 00:51:21.200 --> 00:51:24.880 When you look at, you know, shine on you crazy diamond. Parts one to five. 503 00:51:24.880 --> 00:51:25.600 Yeah. Yeah. 504 00:51:26.320 --> 00:51:34.080 You know, the beginning, like, part one's instrumental and part two is kind of how we put the show. It's got that kind of the kind of Sid chords, if you like those. 505 00:51:34.160 --> 00:51:34.720 Yeah. 506 00:51:34.720 --> 00:51:54.830 Is incredible. Welcome to the machine. Have a cigar. Wish you were here, here. I mean, it's just nuts. It's like. It's like massive songs. There's a melody they, they. They all. There's kind of a, you know, a flow to them. Even China new Crazy Dime, which is like 13 minutes, it's still. It's still epic. 507 00:51:54.830 --> 00:52:45.890 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the thing. The. The thing that I always think about with this album as well is. Is. Is. You know, you spoke about the Sid. The Sid notes. And then you've got the. You know, the shining. Crazy. You've got all those kind of really texture. It's. It's like whenever you hear any part of this album. I don't know about you, I like change frequency. It's the only way I can describe it. It's like. It's like I just switch out of reality a little bit and just head into whatever world that album is just for a little time. But the other thing I wanted to say about it is it's a lot more synth driven than you think. Yeah, there are loads more like. You associate Pink Floyd with the guitar more than anything else. Yeah. Excuse me. But, but. But this. This particular record that. It's actually quite a lot of. It synths quite a lot of its textures and. And synthesizers, which I found really interesting, you know. 508 00:52:46.290 --> 00:53:05.490 Yeah, yeah, you're right. It's. There's a. There's a lot of a growth, I would say, on. On this record. Like, musically, it was just hit me like listening. Thinking about the lyrics, the way they. Again, the way the lyrics were inspired by Sid, but they're so broad. 509 00:53:05.650 --> 00:53:07.130 Yeah. Yeah. 510 00:53:07.130 --> 00:53:17.570 You know, so I mean, even the. Just two lost souls swimming in a fishbowl. You know, it applies to them thinking about Sid, but it applies to everybody. 511 00:53:17.650 --> 00:53:18.370 Yeah, yeah. 512 00:53:19.890 --> 00:53:33.400 I think it's just extraordinary. Like, you know, there's. There are quite a lot of lyrics through this album. I wish you were here. Specifically where you could put them on a T shirt and. And people would. Yeah, actually. Or tattoos. 513 00:53:33.400 --> 00:53:33.800 Yeah. 514 00:53:33.880 --> 00:53:35.400 I wonder how many people have got. 515 00:53:35.640 --> 00:53:36.400 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 516 00:53:36.400 --> 00:53:36.880 Lyrics. 517 00:53:36.880 --> 00:53:43.400 So. Yeah, they're meaningful for the writers. Who. You said they meaningful. The writers, but they're also meaningful for everybody else. Everyone can find. Find meaning. 518 00:53:43.720 --> 00:53:54.240 That's why these. These albums connect because that's what Dark side connects really well. Yeah, that kind of birth, life and death. Yeah, that. That we talked about in there. And if you like this kind of. We. We've done. 519 00:53:54.310 --> 00:53:54.550 Done. 520 00:53:54.550 --> 00:54:28.290 We didn't dance and we've done the Wall already. Yeah. But yeah, there's that arc for me and. And again that. I really like that. Yeah. And again the Wall. Yeah, we talked about this on the show. Thinking back. We talked about this when we did the Wall. I never really connected with the Wall until we did the prep for the show and I watched the movie and then I read a bit about it, realized the story art, and then got. And then it kind of clicked And I was like, actually, yeah, I really like this. Yeah, it was. It's weird, isn't it? 521 00:54:28.290 --> 00:54:28.810 Yeah, yeah. 522 00:54:28.810 --> 00:54:58.310 These, these songs, I think they've got a. You know, there's obviously a. A musical element to them and melody element to them, but for me, the weight of them is in how I connect emotionally with them and how they, like, they feel that they're, They're. It's about me. It's got nothing. I didn't know Sid Barrett. It's got nothing to do with Sid Barrett for me. Yeah. They're about me and my emotions, my relationships with people. These lyrics and these songs apply equally well to me than they do. 523 00:54:58.550 --> 00:55:11.990 Yeah. You know, and there was a part of an interview that we. That we listened to with Roger Water. We did. We haven't included in the show, but it was one where the, the interview was asking Roger Waters, like, is it about your dad as well? You know, and your dad was sort. 524 00:55:11.990 --> 00:55:13.590 Of died in the war. 525 00:55:13.590 --> 00:55:29.490 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it was like, absolutely. You know, it's not, it's not all about Sid. It's. It's about that sense of absence in general, you know, And I thought, yes. You know, and we've all said. We all know. We all know that. We all know that emotion. And I think that's probably why. Why we all connect with it. 526 00:55:30.130 --> 00:55:38.210 Yeah, that is. Yeah. I, I, again, I think that the, The, The. The media kind of blew it, that. The connection to Sid. Oh, it's all about Sid. 527 00:55:38.210 --> 00:55:38.770 Yeah. 528 00:55:38.770 --> 00:56:08.160 Out a little bit. And like I say, when you listen to the interviews, yeah, I think it's really interesting, and it's kind of not. It was inspired and, and, you know, that's what give. Gave things the, the idea and the direction. But. But actually, yeah, it's about loss and an emotion and connection and, you know, remembering people and those kinds of things, and we, we can all. We all feel those emotions, you know. So I. Yeah, I think it's very, very cool. 529 00:56:08.160 --> 00:56:08.560 Yeah. 530 00:56:08.560 --> 00:57:47.450 Came to me very easily because David Gilmore had been playing the Ref, and I'd been listening to it and going, what's that? And he played it. I said, play that again. And so I learned it. And I said, and then what happens? And he said, no, that's it. And I went, I like it. And he went, yeah. I said, so do you mind if I see what happens next? And so I played a few chords and wrote the song very, very quickly, as I recall, probably in an hour. So it was one of those happy times when stream of consciousness works and words come out that have meter and meaning and are musical and fit a melody. And so I don't try to investigate them too much, you know, it would feel a little bit like investigating a butterfly. You end up with dust and a few broken bits. It was when we were making the record Wish youh Were Here, which was all about absence and it was, to some extent, about the loss of Sid Barrett, who had succumbed to mental illness seven or eight years before. So. So I don't know. We're just two lost souls Swimming in a fishbowl. So. So you think you could tell. 531 00:57:50.650 --> 00:57:52.010 Heaven from hell? 532 00:57:54.250 --> 00:58:40.350 Blue skies and pain can you tell a green field From a cold steel rail? A smile from a veil? Do you think you can tell? Did they get you to train your heroes for girls? Hot ashes for trees Hot air for a cool breeze Cold comfort for change did you exchange A walk on pot. 533 00:58:40.510 --> 00:58:59.160 In the wall For a lero in a cause? Sam. 534 00:59:25.490 --> 00:59:52.780 How I wish How I wish you were here we're just two lost souls Swimming in a fishbowl Year after year Running over the same old ground what have we found? Same old fears Wish you were here. 535 01:01:05.610 --> 01:02:31.820 I bought a 12 string guitar of a guy I know. I think I'd recently bought it off him. And I was strumming it in the control room of Number three at Abbey Road. And that just sort of started coming out, that riff. And a bit like the beginning of Shine on with those four notes, you know. I started mildly obsessing with this riff that was slowly developing. And again, people's ears. Roger's ears pricked up and he said, what's that? Where does that come from? And I had a terrible habit of playing bits of. Of songs by other people that were good. And Roger would say, yeah, that's great, let's use that. And I said, can't. This belongs to someone else. So he got a little nervous about asking sometimes, and I think he was a bit nervous about asking in case that came from something else by someone else. But, I mean, the idea was that it was like a guitar playing on the radio and someone in the room at home in their bedroom or something listening to it and joining in. So the other guitar was kind of supposed to be a kid at home joining in with the guitar he's listening to on the radio. And therefore, it wasn't supposed to be too slick and it wasn't. I've got. I've got a bit of a hot take. 536 01:02:32.300 --> 01:02:32.780 Yeah. 537 01:02:33.820 --> 01:02:52.440 Before we. Before we start to round things. Round things off. If Sid stayed in the band. So if stood. If Sid sort of made it and, you know, didn't succumb to mental illness and the drugs and the things we spoke about earlier. 538 01:02:52.440 --> 01:02:53.000 Yeah. 539 01:02:54.680 --> 01:02:58.520 Do you think the relationships would have soured between them in the way that they have? 540 01:02:58.760 --> 01:03:39.560 I think this is like the question for the ages. Right? I mean, Roger and Dave. Dave not getting on particularly well. You know, Roger. Roger Waters famously discounting Dave Gilmore just kind of go, well, yeah, anyone can play the guitar, you know, and. And not having any respect for. For that. And, you know, I think famously is a bit of a. A bit spiky to work with. But he loved Sid. He really looks. Working with Sid. Sid was the glue. Glue, Yeah. I think at that point. Well, I think Nick Mason has became the. Yeah, the glue. Yeah. But until like, you know, things got too. Too rough. Yeah. 541 01:03:39.720 --> 01:03:47.720 And Nick was out on the road with Gary Kemp and Guy Pratt. 542 01:03:48.120 --> 01:03:50.960 Oh, was he? I did not know that as the. 543 01:03:50.960 --> 01:03:53.000 Source of full of secret Store. The only reason I know that they're. 544 01:03:53.000 --> 01:03:53.920 Doing that now, aren't they? 545 01:03:53.920 --> 01:03:55.480 Because. Yeah, because they did the rocket. 546 01:03:55.560 --> 01:03:58.360 Yeah, I know they're doing that now. He's back out doing that. 547 01:03:58.600 --> 01:04:01.720 I used to listen to that quite a lot, actually. The Rock On Toys podcast. Very good. Good. 548 01:04:01.880 --> 01:04:06.040 Yeah, yeah. And nearly as good as us, aren't they? Yeah, boys, keep working. They'll get. 549 01:04:06.040 --> 01:04:07.800 Yeah, because they were doing that tour with him. 550 01:04:07.880 --> 01:04:17.279 I love those things. I love listening to. I love that. So, yeah, the Rock On Tours is really great. The other one I really love is on Planet Rock listening to Alice Cooper. 551 01:04:17.279 --> 01:04:18.000 Yes. Yeah. 552 01:04:18.000 --> 01:04:18.440 Yeah. 553 01:04:18.440 --> 01:04:23.360 And his Rock On Tours episode is very good, actually. He did one so good. 554 01:04:23.360 --> 01:04:26.240 He. I used to go. My memories of Alice Cooper. 555 01:04:26.240 --> 01:04:26.640 Yeah. 556 01:04:26.640 --> 01:04:53.300 I would go into. When I was shooting gigs a lot. I would go into Rock City, shoot the gig gig. You'd be kind of the cur. The care. The curfew would be like normally been 10 and 11 on a weeknight. So I'd be. I'd be back out in the car by 11 and then. And then his show was from 11 till midnight or 11 to 1, I think. So on my way home, I'd listen to. To that which. Yeah, I didn't know. The stories are just. I love. I love the stories in rock music. 557 01:04:53.300 --> 01:04:54.180 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 558 01:04:54.740 --> 01:04:58.460 He has. Yeah, tons and tons of stories, I think. 559 01:04:58.460 --> 01:05:04.220 Yeah, definitely. I think the David. The David Cover does first Rock On Tours. One that he did with them. 560 01:05:04.220 --> 01:05:04.580 Yeah. 561 01:05:04.580 --> 01:05:07.420 We'll go down in history of probably one of the greatest podcasts ever. 562 01:05:07.420 --> 01:05:10.780 Created Mad David Coverdale. He's really so friendly. 563 01:05:11.020 --> 01:05:12.220 Incredible to listen to. 564 01:05:12.220 --> 01:05:12.780 He's so funny. 565 01:05:12.780 --> 01:05:13.340 What a guy. 566 01:05:13.340 --> 01:05:29.660 Yeah, he's really. He kills me on social media. He's on. If you, if you're on the X, David Coverdale's on there. And he's very funny. I love him. It's very, very funny. Not politically correct. If anyone, if anyone likes, like Skirting the Edge of being canceled, it's David Coverdale. But he's epic. 567 01:05:29.660 --> 01:05:30.260 I love him. 568 01:05:30.260 --> 01:05:31.500 Absolutely love him to pieces. 569 01:05:31.580 --> 01:05:34.760 He keeps call Guy Pratt, Guido to see. 570 01:05:37.400 --> 01:05:46.280 He'S so. He could just do anything. It's really weird. He literally can just do whatever and everyone just goes, oh, it's. Yeah, it's fine. Yeah, whatever. You can do whatever. 571 01:05:47.480 --> 01:05:47.880 Right. 572 01:05:47.880 --> 01:05:55.400 What should we do now then, to do some stories? I found some. I found some interesting stories about this album that I really liked. So I'm going to share some with you now. 573 01:05:55.400 --> 01:05:56.760 So is this instead of facts? 574 01:05:56.840 --> 01:05:57.560 No, we'll do facts. 575 01:05:57.560 --> 01:05:58.440 I'll do facts as well. 576 01:05:59.160 --> 01:06:41.510 These stories are. Are well known, I think, but I. I think it's not complete unless we talk about. So, yeah, first one is Sid turning up at the studio while they're recording this album. They've not seen him for five years and he. Yeah, they're. They're recording China on youn Crazy Diamond. They're in the studio and as Sid turns up unannounced, just, you know, from nowhere almost, and he's in a complete state. He's like really overweight. He's. He's got no hair. And yeah, the band don't recognize him famously. They don't know like, who's. Who's that? 577 01:06:42.150 --> 01:07:28.960 Memory is that I came into the studio and there was this guy standing there in a gabardine raincoat, large, large bloke. And I had no idea who it was. And surprisingly, no one's saying, who's that person? What's he doing wandering around all our gear and couldn't be in the studio and. And then him coming into the control room and standing around and how remarkable how long it was before anyone actually woke up. Finally, I think it was David who said, nick, do you know, recognize him? And I looked and I think I either shrugged my shoulders or at some point Dave put me out of my misery, said, it's, it's, it. 578 01:07:29.600 --> 01:07:32.080 And we just stood there or sat. 579 01:07:32.080 --> 01:07:46.000 There and just were shell shocked, basically. And then until somebody thought of something to say to him and then we were all unbelievably shocked at his Appearance. 580 01:07:47.360 --> 01:07:51.280 I mean, I didn't recognize, I didn't know it was him, but it was. 581 01:07:51.680 --> 01:07:52.160 Pretty. 582 01:07:54.970 --> 01:07:58.410 Pretty affecting really. I mean, Roger and Dave cried. 583 01:08:00.330 --> 01:08:47.120 You know, this slim, elegant, if bedraggled and dazed person that I'd last seen had turned rather balloon shaped and had no eyebrows and not much hair. There is the photograph of him in the studio at the time. And you. If you looked at sid in early 67 and Sid then, it was so different. He was a great loss. And you know, the imagining, what he would have gone on to do is speculating on that, if you like, is. Is he could have become so great. 584 01:08:52.160 --> 01:10:07.670 You know, he was a charming, ebullent, talented friend and I miss him, but I've been missing him since 1968, you know, because he succumbed to some sort of mental illness which you might call schizophrenia. You kind of call that combination of symptoms anything you want, but the fact is that if it happens to somebody, it prevents them from communicating with their friends, loved ones, with anybody. They really do develop a wall. And Sid developed a wall and, and, and it was extremely sad. But he was, he was very talented. But the work is there and people love him and people love his work and new people discover the songs that he wrote as the years go by. Like, Sid was gone at that point. That wasn't Sid that, you know, that wasn't Sid that we knew. That was a different. That was somebody different. Yeah, but I just think, I don't know, I think that's a bit bonkers. The other one, the line, which one's Pink? Yeah, that's a true story, apparently. 585 01:10:07.670 --> 01:10:08.390 Right, okay. 586 01:10:08.390 --> 01:10:24.830 Where one of the record execs came in and were talking to them and, and literally said, you know, well, really great. You, which one's Pink? And Roger Waters, like, you know, you can just imagine getting a pen going, what? I'll just write that down. 587 01:10:24.830 --> 01:10:31.660 Wasn't that a key thing to do with the wall as well? Wasn't it like the Pinky character in the wall? Yeah, yeah, that might be where it. 588 01:10:31.660 --> 01:10:37.580 Came from then maybe could be made. Which is interesting. Roy Harper comes back. 589 01:10:37.580 --> 01:10:38.060 Yeah. 590 01:10:38.460 --> 01:10:42.540 So Nebworth. They were, they were both playing on the bill at Nebworth. 591 01:10:42.540 --> 01:10:42.860 Right. 592 01:10:43.820 --> 01:10:50.220 And. And Roy Harper had lost his spangled outfit. It had been lost. 593 01:10:50.380 --> 01:10:50.780 Right. 594 01:10:50.860 --> 01:11:11.410 So. And he's playing and he's trying to get ready and the Pink Floyd band vans are kind of out the back and the, the team are kind of getting there. They're just about getting ready to go and set up the PA and stuff. Right. And Roy Realizes that and Roy. They're not. There are different parts on the bill. Right. So, like, Roy's much earlier, Pink Floyd's much later. They're not together. 595 01:11:11.490 --> 01:11:11.890 Yeah. 596 01:11:11.890 --> 01:11:17.010 Right. And Roy. Roy realizes his spangly outfit is missing. 597 01:11:17.010 --> 01:11:17.410 Yeah. 598 01:11:17.410 --> 01:11:23.430 Gets so angry. Degree. He smashes up one of Pink Floyd's vans, which was the nearest thing to him. 599 01:11:23.430 --> 01:11:23.870 Wow. 600 01:11:23.870 --> 01:11:31.990 At the time. And it. Yeah. It very nearly delayed. Delayed them playing. 601 01:11:32.230 --> 01:11:33.990 Oh, I didn't know that story. That's a cool story. 602 01:11:33.990 --> 01:11:38.790 Which is quite a story. This is the last collaborative Pink Floyd album. 603 01:11:38.790 --> 01:11:39.070 Yeah. 604 01:11:39.070 --> 01:12:02.530 So Nick Mason is. It doesn't get any writing credits on this at all. Which is the first Pink Floyd album. He doesn't have a writing credit. But it's interesting. Nick, in Nick Mason interview, points out that he. He, on reflection, said this. After this, the collaboration stopped between the band and. And he said you would. We. We would often get bored. 605 01:12:02.610 --> 01:12:03.050 Yeah. 606 01:12:03.050 --> 01:12:08.850 And leave either Roger or Dave in the studio doing guitar things. And we would literally just go away for three, four days. 607 01:12:08.850 --> 01:12:09.330 Yeah. 608 01:12:09.330 --> 01:12:11.570 Then come back and then do Abbots. 609 01:12:11.570 --> 01:12:11.890 Right. 610 01:12:11.890 --> 01:12:29.550 Wow. But he said it wasn't. Wasn't collaborative at that point for. For the albums that came afterwards, which. I don't know, I just thought it was interesting that that was, like, his perspective on that, you know, that there was a change. And I think you can kind of hear it a little bit. 611 01:12:29.550 --> 01:12:30.110 Yeah. Yeah. 612 01:12:30.350 --> 01:12:32.190 Because by the time you get to the wall. 613 01:12:32.190 --> 01:12:32.670 Yeah. 614 01:12:34.590 --> 01:12:35.230 It's. It's. 615 01:12:35.230 --> 01:12:35.390 Right. 616 01:12:35.390 --> 01:12:53.360 I mean, that's a Roger Waters. I think that's a Roger Waters. It's not a solo record. But he wrote it. Yes, he wrote it. Dave Gilmore played some, like, gorgeous melodies over the top of that. But the whole structure and concept of that is. Is Roger Waters. 617 01:12:53.360 --> 01:12:53.720 Yeah. 618 01:12:54.679 --> 01:12:57.000 Well, there you go. Should we do some brief facts? 619 01:12:57.000 --> 01:12:57.680 Brief facts. 620 01:12:57.680 --> 01:13:18.450 Brief facts. Because I've waffled a bit already released in September 1975. 12th in the UK, 13th in the United States. I don't know how true that is, is. The release dates are a little bit vague, but that's what I've got in my sheet. Recorded in Abbey Road Studios in London from January to July. 621 01:13:18.770 --> 01:13:20.530 Yeah. That's a long time. 622 01:13:20.530 --> 01:13:21.690 It is in Abbey Road. 623 01:13:21.690 --> 01:13:22.610 That's a long time. 624 01:13:22.610 --> 01:13:25.650 That's a big, expensive studio. 625 01:13:25.730 --> 01:13:26.290 Yeah. 626 01:13:26.850 --> 01:13:49.060 To have open. It's interesting, isn't it? I always think the practicality of this must be a bit chaotic. So, you know, famously. Who was it, famously stole time at Abbey Road? Was it Oasis, maybe? I think it was Oasis where somebody else had got time booked. 627 01:13:49.060 --> 01:13:49.580 Yeah. 628 01:13:49.580 --> 01:14:11.870 And they wanted. I'm sure. I'm confident this was Oasis. And they literally kind of almost blagged their way in because you can't, like, let me. Pink Floyd have, like, booked out. They've. They've taken six months of. Of seven months of 1975. Yeah. You know, big studio in Abbey Road. There were. There's other bands wanting that space. 629 01:14:11.950 --> 01:14:13.550 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 630 01:14:13.550 --> 01:14:18.310 You know, so I. You. I wonder if there's like a hierarchy. I wonder if at the time there was like a hierarchy. 631 01:14:18.310 --> 01:14:18.670 Yeah. 632 01:14:18.670 --> 01:14:23.950 You know, like, if. I don't know, like if the Rolling Stones came along and said, actually, we want it. 633 01:14:23.950 --> 01:14:24.350 Yeah. 634 01:14:24.350 --> 01:14:27.430 Or, you know, I don't know. You know what I mean? 635 01:14:27.430 --> 01:14:28.670 Yeah. Everyone just gets out of the way. 636 01:14:28.750 --> 01:14:43.180 Yeah. It was released on Harvest record label in the UK and Columbia in the us. Columbia famously released a single and no singles were released anywhere else. Okay. 637 01:14:43.180 --> 01:14:43.460 Yeah. 638 01:14:43.460 --> 01:14:43.900 Yeah. 639 01:14:44.220 --> 01:14:45.780 So that would have been a record label decision, then. 640 01:14:45.780 --> 01:14:51.940 Yeah. And the band. Yeah. There's nothing to do with the band. And then the band were kind of like, we don't care. You want to list a single? 641 01:14:51.940 --> 01:14:52.460 Do you want. 642 01:14:52.700 --> 01:14:57.120 Do not care much. 44 million. It's five tracks. 643 01:14:57.840 --> 01:15:03.120 Yeah. I mean, the album length is. Is okay for you, but not without my tracks. I can imagine that's better. 644 01:15:03.120 --> 01:15:09.240 Too short. Actually. I think it's quite a short Pink Floyd album. I find myself on this one wishing it was longer. 645 01:15:09.240 --> 01:15:09.640 Yeah. 646 01:15:09.640 --> 01:15:20.520 I wish there were some more songs, but the quality of the songs on here is I. There's no filler. No, it's just. It is the fastest selling Pink Floyd album. 647 01:15:20.520 --> 01:15:20.960 Yeah. 648 01:15:20.960 --> 01:15:21.360 Ever. 649 01:15:21.670 --> 01:15:22.070 Yeah. 650 01:15:22.070 --> 01:15:42.430 Wow. Which I think is really interesting. In the UK chart, it reached number one in the second week. Album before was Dark side of the Moon. Album afterwards was Animals in 1977. And Animals is one that I've never resonated with particularly. I think it's quite cool. 651 01:15:42.430 --> 01:15:42.950 Yeah. 652 01:15:43.110 --> 01:15:50.540 But it's not a. It's not an album that I reach for in my Apple Music. Music. I don't go there very often. 653 01:15:50.540 --> 01:15:51.140 Right. Yeah. 654 01:15:51.140 --> 01:15:54.340 I like. I'm often. Dark side. Wish you were here. 655 01:15:54.340 --> 01:15:54.700 Yeah. 656 01:15:54.700 --> 01:16:01.380 They're the two that. They're the two that I really like or. Like I said that. Discography. One. The. 657 01:16:01.380 --> 01:16:01.740 The. 658 01:16:02.220 --> 01:16:03.300 Another Foot in the Door. 659 01:16:03.300 --> 01:16:03.940 Yes. Yeah. 660 01:16:03.940 --> 01:16:07.620 The Best of Employed. I like that a lot. That's got a lot of stuff I like. 661 01:16:07.620 --> 01:16:08.140 Yeah. 662 01:16:09.260 --> 01:16:15.180 It's the ninth studio album, which, again, it's interesting, isn't it? It's like yeast. 663 01:16:17.700 --> 01:16:19.700 Yeah. It's a lot of records, isn't it is. 664 01:16:19.940 --> 01:16:22.900 Doesn't feel like the ninth. 665 01:16:23.780 --> 01:16:36.900 No, no. Yeah, I see. But then, is it about the chapters of Pink Floyd? Because there's. But they. They. They were. They were so prolific in their early days. Yeah, they really were. They really were so prolific. 666 01:16:37.060 --> 01:16:51.780 Yeah, that is true. Album artwork was covered in a black, black plastic, which we talked about before. It's meant something missing. The album art is missing. 667 01:16:51.780 --> 01:16:52.100 Yeah. 668 01:16:52.100 --> 01:17:31.569 Wish you were here. We want, you know, it's all about. It's all about that. The voice, the void is the emptiness and the void. That's what it's about. The record company did not get it on the back. We had the empty suit again, which was quite a cool thing. Kind of hypnosis stuff. And we talked about the release. We talked about all of that stuff. Oh, things that I liked. So on the. Oh, I wanted to go about that, actually. Wish you were here. It wasn't released, so there were no singles. Yeah, but the US radio needed singles. 669 01:17:31.569 --> 01:17:32.049 Yeah. 670 01:17:32.290 --> 01:17:38.610 And wish you were here was the one that landed really strongly everywhere. So although there was no single. 671 01:17:38.610 --> 01:17:39.970 No, they did get radio. 672 01:17:40.130 --> 01:17:54.640 Oh, yeah. Wish you were here and. Yeah. Wish you were here was. That was. Was playing. Played a lot now, the beginning of the wish you were here. There's like a car radio. 673 01:17:54.640 --> 01:17:55.040 Yes. 674 01:17:55.040 --> 01:18:03.880 In fact, that's actually Dave Gilmore's car radio. So they actually recorded that and then it's got a little bit of Tchaikovsky's fourth Symphony. 675 01:18:03.880 --> 01:18:04.360 Yeah. 676 01:18:04.360 --> 01:18:14.070 And then it kind of runs through the concept. His concept behind it is it's supposed to feel like the. The. The guitar is playing along with the radio. 677 01:18:14.070 --> 01:18:14.390 Yeah. 678 01:18:14.390 --> 01:18:15.070 If that makes sense. 679 01:18:15.070 --> 01:18:15.270 Yeah. 680 01:18:15.270 --> 01:18:23.350 Yeah. There's a lovely bit where in the interviews he talks about how looking back, he feels like it's not the best. 681 01:18:23.510 --> 01:18:23.950 Yeah. 682 01:18:23.950 --> 01:18:24.790 Guitar playing. 683 01:18:24.790 --> 01:18:25.270 Yeah. 684 01:18:25.270 --> 01:18:25.830 Yeah. 685 01:18:26.710 --> 01:18:28.630 You know, you can't imagine any other way, can you? 686 01:18:28.710 --> 01:18:29.110 No. 687 01:18:30.630 --> 01:18:49.570 I always think there's beauty in imperfection. I always, always. Do I always. You know, if it's. If it's. If it's not to a click and there's bits that are out of time, is real, is human. And I think. I know we've said this before, but, you know, in the age of AI Music and auto tune and I think there's going to be a big resurgence to. Let's just turn the click off and hit record. 688 01:18:49.730 --> 01:18:50.210 Yeah. 689 01:18:50.210 --> 01:18:51.010 Make some magic. 690 01:18:51.410 --> 01:19:05.650 Big fan of that. I think there'll be like multiple. I'm going to go off piece a little bit here, but I was reading something this week about media and images and news where you Will there will be a transparency button that you can click. 691 01:19:05.970 --> 01:19:06.290 Yeah. 692 01:19:06.530 --> 01:19:22.570 And it will be like, mandated across all articles when you click on it. And essentially it tells you the history of that article, where it came from, who edited it, who worked on it, and whether it was AI generated, AI edited, and blah, blah, blah to help you understand, like, where it came from. 693 01:19:22.570 --> 01:19:23.010 Yeah. 694 01:19:23.010 --> 01:19:24.650 I think the same has got to be true of. 695 01:19:24.650 --> 01:19:25.530 Yeah, yeah. For sure. 696 01:19:25.530 --> 01:19:36.300 Of. Of music. It gets interesting for music, though, for me. Or like, music particularly, because you could. Like you showed me earlier, it's like some super cool mastering stuff. 697 01:19:36.300 --> 01:19:36.700 Yeah. 698 01:19:36.700 --> 01:19:46.500 Where you can do like mega clever things with EQ and stuff and use kind of. And I'm absolutely confident there's. There's an AI model in there that's doing some magic. 699 01:19:46.500 --> 01:19:47.299 Yeah. Yeah. 700 01:19:47.299 --> 01:19:54.140 So what. And. And like, I was doing something the other day with some artwork and I used AI to make change to it. 701 01:19:54.140 --> 01:19:54.460 Yeah. 702 01:19:54.460 --> 01:19:55.660 Now, is that me? 703 01:19:55.820 --> 01:19:56.300 Yeah. 704 01:19:56.300 --> 01:20:06.150 Or the. Do you know what I mean? It's like, how's that gonna work? But I. I can't help feeling that there will be, like, almost this watershed. 705 01:20:06.150 --> 01:20:06.630 Yeah. 706 01:20:06.630 --> 01:20:10.190 Where, like, music released before this point. 707 01:20:10.190 --> 01:20:10.670 Yeah. 708 01:20:10.670 --> 01:20:12.150 Can't possibly have been. 709 01:20:12.310 --> 01:20:13.190 Yes. Yeah. 710 01:20:14.150 --> 01:20:32.880 And music released after this point probably has been aide. And I don't know, I just kind of feel. I feel it will bring like a spotlight and a weight to the. You know, the. These old. Older albums. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's certainly. For me, it's certainly been like. Like Alter Bridge released the new album this year. 711 01:20:32.880 --> 01:20:33.360 Yeah. 712 01:20:33.440 --> 01:20:34.240 It's brilliant. 713 01:20:34.240 --> 01:20:34.600 Yeah. 714 01:20:34.600 --> 01:21:03.440 Really, really good, you know, vocals, Miles, vocals, excellent on there. Really cool songwriting on it as well. It is perfect. Like, perfectly perfect. You know what I mean? It's. It's production is sharp, it's clear, it's weighty. No rough edges on it. Really quite powerful, proper. What. What you. You'd expect from a hard rock record. Really, really phenomenal. Didn't particularly move me. 715 01:21:03.440 --> 01:21:03.840 Yeah. 716 01:21:03.840 --> 01:21:08.240 I mean, I listened to. Ran it through a few times, so this is great. Really, really great. 717 01:21:08.240 --> 01:21:10.040 Yeah. Not connected with it. 718 01:21:10.040 --> 01:21:12.760 No. And I think it's the perfection of it. 719 01:21:12.840 --> 01:21:13.360 Yeah. 720 01:21:13.360 --> 01:21:19.160 That is its downfall to some degree. You know, you can almost. I can almost hear the click. 721 01:21:19.240 --> 01:21:19.640 Yeah. 722 01:21:19.640 --> 01:21:29.180 You mean all the good. Dink dink dink dink dink. You can kind of almost hear it as you. And it's like. Oh, I. I'd like this to speed up a bit. Wobble. 723 01:21:29.180 --> 01:21:30.060 Yeah. Yeah. 724 01:21:30.060 --> 01:21:38.180 You know, especially like with someone like Miles Kennedy, whose voice is just. Oh, his voice is epic. 725 01:21:38.180 --> 01:21:38.820 Yeah. Yeah. 726 01:21:38.900 --> 01:21:41.140 Just free It a bit. 727 01:21:41.140 --> 01:21:42.100 Yeah. Yeah. 728 01:21:42.340 --> 01:21:55.970 I. I don't know. I. I kind of. Yeah. I have a funny feeling that there will be a resurgence of, like you say, the resurgence of this kind of not non. Non clicked stuff. 729 01:21:56.130 --> 01:21:56.650 Yep. 730 01:21:56.650 --> 01:22:09.330 But there you go. I was doing facts, wasn't I? I think I've nearly finished my facts. Oh, there was last year, because it's 2026 now. There was a 50th anniversary. 731 01:22:09.570 --> 01:22:10.050 Yeah. 732 01:22:10.530 --> 01:22:12.330 Release of wish you were here. 733 01:22:12.330 --> 01:22:12.770 Yeah. 734 01:22:14.050 --> 01:22:17.250 Which I think is really quite cool. 735 01:22:17.730 --> 01:22:19.170 That's got the violin thing on it. 736 01:22:19.170 --> 01:22:25.870 Yeah, that's got the violin. Because it was. The violin was originally recorded and then turned. It's still on the mix, but it's down. 737 01:22:25.870 --> 01:22:26.310 Is it? 738 01:22:26.310 --> 01:22:34.470 Yeah, it's right. Right down. You can still hear. And then they turned it up a little bit for the 50th anniversary release of it. Headphones. 739 01:22:34.470 --> 01:22:35.230 I'll listen to that. 740 01:22:35.550 --> 01:22:40.590 Yeah, it's. I. It's interesting for me because it was. This was recorded in what, 75. 741 01:22:40.670 --> 01:22:41.150 Yeah. 742 01:22:41.150 --> 01:22:41.950 I was one. 743 01:22:42.030 --> 01:22:42.510 Yeah. 744 01:22:43.310 --> 01:23:31.780 I was probably weing on the floor. That's what you do when you want. With headphones on, like listening loud to the original version of this. Sounds great. Sounds really good. There's a noise floor. There's a hiss. Sounds bloody lovely. Really, really lovely. Does not need. I. I don't believe this. This is one that doesn't need anything done to it. They didn't really mess with it in the anniversary version. Doesn't feel like there was like a. I think. Was it 20. I think in 2011 it was mucked about with a little bit. But, yeah, the. It's phenomenal how good these Abbey Road recordings are, you know, for. For that. I mean. 50 years old. 745 01:23:31.940 --> 01:23:32.500 Yeah. 746 01:23:32.580 --> 01:23:33.819 50 years old. 747 01:23:33.819 --> 01:23:34.340 Yeah. 748 01:23:36.020 --> 01:23:38.500 It's. I'm. I'm one year older than it. 749 01:23:38.580 --> 01:23:43.390 Yeah. That. That's the beauty of music is that. Is that it's time capsule, isn't it? It. 750 01:23:43.550 --> 01:24:35.340 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But. But it's like we've talked about this before. It's not just a time capsule of the music. It's a time capsule of how people were feeling and how Dave Gilmore felt on the day and did, you know, played wish you were here on the guitar and it wasn't quite as good as it should have been. And they kind of let it go because that's the mood he was in on that day. And perhaps if it had been recorded a week later and he'd had more sleep, he might have done more takes and how the recording engineer was feeling on that day. And the technology that was available and, and, and, and. And, you know, all of the things and how warm or cold or new mics they got or. Or tapes that they'd got or. Do you know what I mean? It's not. It's not. It's ev. Everybody involved in that process and the hip, what the hypnosis guys were feeling and thinking and doing, and Roy Harper, whether, you know, obviously he wasn't smashing their vans upon a particular day, but I don't know, it all led. 751 01:24:35.340 --> 01:24:36.260 It all led to that moment. 752 01:24:36.260 --> 01:24:47.440 A bunch of people doing a bunch of things and, you know, the. The history and the decisions that they've all taken possibly have been any different to lead up to them all being in that place, in that point in that time. 753 01:24:47.600 --> 01:24:48.000 Yeah. 754 01:24:48.000 --> 01:24:51.240 And that. That's what led to this recording. 755 01:24:51.240 --> 01:24:51.880 Yeah. Yeah. 756 01:24:51.880 --> 01:25:10.720 And I don't know, there's like. I don't know. I bang on about this a lot, but for me, it's just such a perfect thing, you know, and it is. It represents. And I think maybe that's why the, you know, the Alter Bridge record is great. But it doesn't have that connection of. That emotional connection to me. 757 01:25:10.720 --> 01:25:11.200 Yeah. 758 01:25:12.130 --> 01:25:18.170 Like some of these do. And it's because, like you said, it's because of the imperfections and the bits and pieces. 759 01:25:18.170 --> 01:25:18.930 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 760 01:25:19.410 --> 01:25:32.370 But, yeah, and I'm sure there probably is some. There'll be somebody screaming at their radio set going, old codges. And I'm sure there are people like that are connecting to this newer music, but. 761 01:25:32.370 --> 01:25:33.730 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 762 01:25:33.730 --> 01:25:35.050 It just feels a bit clinical to me. 763 01:25:35.050 --> 01:25:35.490 Yeah. 764 01:25:36.130 --> 01:25:38.490 Turn the click off. Turn the compressors down a bit. 765 01:25:38.490 --> 01:25:38.890 Yeah. 766 01:25:39.050 --> 01:25:48.490 Set somebody on fire. I don't know. That's it. I think I'm. I'm done. I'm. I'm done. I'm putting my tablet down. I'm finished. 767 01:25:48.490 --> 01:25:48.810 Done. 768 01:25:48.810 --> 01:25:58.010 Yeah, Done. Done. And I know what's next. Oh, are we really? Let's do it. Yeah, I want to do the Metallica. Well, there's a couple of reasons for that. I wanted Metallica. 769 01:25:58.010 --> 01:25:58.410 Yeah. 770 01:25:58.410 --> 01:25:59.450 We did the Black album. 771 01:25:59.450 --> 01:25:59.850 Yeah. 772 01:26:01.610 --> 01:26:06.890 And. Yeah, let's do. Yeah, okay, let's do. You do a bit of editing, a bit of faffing. 773 01:26:06.890 --> 01:26:07.170 Yeah. 774 01:26:07.170 --> 01:26:15.150 And then we. Because we've got. I think we've got four Metallic albums that we've got to cover. Yeah, we've got to cover Ride the Lightning. Yeah, we've got to cover Master Puppets. 775 01:26:15.150 --> 01:26:15.430 Yeah. 776 01:26:15.430 --> 01:26:16.870 And we've got to do Load and Reload. 777 01:26:16.870 --> 01:26:17.350 Yeah. 778 01:26:19.430 --> 01:26:39.410 And. Yeah, actually we could do all of the Metallica albums. Yeah, of course we can, but on the trot. Just going to be Metallica. Metallica podcast over the next couple of years. I kind of want to work my way through them, but I do, you know, the reason it's come to me that I really want to. To do it. I'm looking at you. My glasses now. 779 01:26:39.410 --> 01:26:41.370 No, that's it. That's a serious look. 780 01:26:41.370 --> 01:26:46.250 It's because we. We've been watching the Stranger Things. 781 01:26:46.250 --> 01:26:46.730 Okay. 782 01:26:46.730 --> 01:27:21.700 And Barney went back and rewatched it again all the way through. And so he's been faffing around every Christmas stuff, watching it. And it just hit me how good this season four, I think it is, three or four, where they have a character called Eddie. Eddie Munson, who's the he. And the music. Yeah. The music in season three and season four of Stranger Things is bloody brilliant. I mean, they've got, like, rat in there. They've got. Oh, like Judas Priest is in there. It's just phenomenal. And of course, they had like, you know, Kate Bush and stuff. 783 01:27:21.700 --> 01:27:22.060 Yeah. 784 01:27:22.060 --> 01:27:28.140 And towards the later season. But I walked in on him just as they were doing the Master of Puppets. 785 01:27:28.140 --> 01:27:28.620 Yeah. 786 01:27:29.350 --> 01:27:36.470 Because he plays at the end. He plays that to kind of kill. The. The big, big bad demon thing. And I just thought, that is such a great record. 787 01:27:36.470 --> 01:27:37.350 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 788 01:27:37.350 --> 01:27:42.230 Got it. That. That. That's got to be done. Got to be done. And then I would really love to do Load and Reload. 789 01:27:42.310 --> 01:27:42.790 Yeah. 790 01:27:42.790 --> 01:27:46.550 Because I wanted, you know, we talked about. I had this idea of doing double albums. 791 01:27:46.710 --> 01:27:47.150 Yeah. 792 01:27:47.150 --> 01:27:49.110 Double albums that perhaps shouldn't have been double albums. 793 01:27:49.110 --> 01:27:49.430 Yes. 794 01:27:49.670 --> 01:27:52.790 I think Load and Reload and Use your Illusion one and two. 795 01:27:52.870 --> 01:27:53.350 Yeah. 796 01:27:53.590 --> 01:27:56.270 I think there should have been more on the cutting room floor. 797 01:27:56.270 --> 01:27:57.030 Yeah. Yeah. 798 01:27:57.030 --> 01:28:26.290 For both of them. Those. Because, like, I think if you. If you. If you look at Load and Reload from Metallica and from. I mean, they're quite different bands by this point, but if you look at that and then you. You listen to those albums and the. The flow of those records and then. And then you listened to Master Puppets. There's no fluffy Master of Puppets. It's just. It's like stop. Starts bangs and then stops. 799 01:28:26.290 --> 01:28:26.690 Yeah. 800 01:28:26.850 --> 01:28:30.610 But like Load and Reload, there's like bits in there where you think, I'm not sure what's going on here. 801 01:28:30.610 --> 01:28:30.890 Yeah. 802 01:28:30.890 --> 01:28:32.610 You know what I mean? I'm not sure. 803 01:28:32.770 --> 01:28:33.130 Yeah. 804 01:28:33.130 --> 01:28:35.890 I mean, it's a weird country in western. It's all gone a bit bizarre. 805 01:28:35.890 --> 01:28:36.170 Yeah. 806 01:28:36.170 --> 01:28:38.330 Oh, and that's all right again now. Do you know? 807 01:28:38.330 --> 01:28:38.650 Yeah. 808 01:28:38.650 --> 01:28:46.650 But the same is true of Guns N Roses with Use your Illusion. If you listen to Use your illusion one and two, there are some lovely, lovely bits and really great songs on there. 809 01:28:46.650 --> 01:28:47.090 Yeah. 810 01:28:47.490 --> 01:28:50.690 But listen to you use your illusion one and two all the way through. 811 01:28:50.690 --> 01:28:51.050 Yeah. 812 01:28:51.050 --> 01:28:52.570 And then go and put appetite on. 813 01:28:52.570 --> 01:28:52.890 Yeah. 814 01:28:52.890 --> 01:28:55.010 Yeah. And all of a sudden you're like, oh. Oh, yeah. 815 01:28:55.010 --> 01:28:55.480 Yeah. Ok. 816 01:28:56.110 --> 01:29:03.790 It's like. Yeah. It's like somebody's watered it down a bit. And I kind of. I don't know. I would love to spend the time and really challenge. 817 01:29:04.270 --> 01:29:04.670 Yeah. 818 01:29:04.670 --> 01:29:06.990 Us to say, is that. Is that true? 819 01:29:07.070 --> 01:29:07.950 Yeah. Yeah. 820 01:29:08.030 --> 01:29:23.600 Is it true? Or were they just, like, so amazing in this point where they were just spewing out the most amazing stuff ever and actually, you know, I'm all wrong. And use your illusion one and two are just as good as Appetite and there's no in them. 821 01:29:23.600 --> 01:29:24.280 Yeah. Yeah. 822 01:29:24.520 --> 01:29:28.720 But let's see. Finish off your bits and then we'll make a decision on what's next. 823 01:29:28.720 --> 01:33:48.470 All right. Very good. Ram. Ram. Ram. What we're going for, then. What is it? What is it? 824 01:33:48.470 --> 01:33:49.630 What is it? Master of Puppets. 825 01:33:49.630 --> 01:33:50.790 We're doing it. Doing it. 826 01:33:51.270 --> 01:33:58.150 God, dude, I've got. I've got copies of that on the vine. I've got loads of them. Got the original. Got the original cd. Got. Got all of it. Dead excited. 827 01:33:58.150 --> 01:33:58.670 I don't know. 828 01:33:58.670 --> 01:34:00.270 It's been remastered. I bet it's been remastered. 829 01:34:00.270 --> 01:34:00.990 Yeah. Would have done. 830 01:34:00.990 --> 01:34:07.280 Would have been ruined the base up. I. It's one of my most favorite albums ever. Most important albums. 831 01:34:07.280 --> 01:34:07.600 Yeah. 832 01:34:07.600 --> 01:34:12.800 And I. You know, when we first started. This is why I can't have a tattoo. 833 01:34:13.040 --> 01:34:13.560 Yeah. 834 01:34:13.560 --> 01:34:20.920 When we first started this show, Master of Puppets was the best Metallica album that's ever been made ever. 835 01:34:20.920 --> 01:34:21.240 Yeah. 836 01:34:21.240 --> 01:34:23.040 And I would have. I would have died on that hill. 837 01:34:23.040 --> 01:34:23.400 Yeah. 838 01:34:23.400 --> 01:34:24.680 And I would have had the tattoo. 839 01:34:24.680 --> 01:34:25.120 Yeah. 840 01:34:25.520 --> 01:34:31.410 It's Ride the Lightning. And I. I don't know. Sure. 841 01:34:31.410 --> 01:34:33.690 You could get a tattoo artist who amalgamate them. 842 01:34:34.570 --> 01:34:36.210 Right. Ride the master. 843 01:34:36.210 --> 01:34:36.930 Ride the master. 844 01:34:36.930 --> 01:34:42.970 Master. I don't know, but this is. This is. It's one of those things. 845 01:34:42.970 --> 01:34:43.930 Master of Lightning. 846 01:34:46.890 --> 01:34:50.890 I can't tell you. This is where it gets complicated, isn't it? This. I can't tell you why. 847 01:34:51.130 --> 01:34:51.930 Yeah, yeah. 848 01:34:52.090 --> 01:34:54.370 Ride the Lightning's better than Master Puppets. 849 01:34:54.370 --> 01:34:54.570 Yeah. 850 01:34:54.570 --> 01:34:55.420 I think they're better both. 851 01:34:56.540 --> 01:34:59.460 And after this, next week, listening to it, you'll change your mind again. Anyway. 852 01:34:59.460 --> 01:35:15.540 I probably will do. It's interesting, like, Master of Puppets. For me, I. Master of Puppets was The first Metallica album that I absolutely slammed over and over and over. Like, you know, a friend had a copy. I got a tape of it. 853 01:35:15.540 --> 01:35:15.980 Yeah. 854 01:35:16.060 --> 01:35:23.740 And then literally wore that tape to a point where, you know, you had your. And it would. You had you put your pencil in there and fix it because it was constantly broken. 855 01:35:24.030 --> 01:35:24.310 Yeah. 856 01:35:24.310 --> 01:35:37.230 And then I had to go and get another copy of you mate for that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then Master would have been, you know, the cd. I would have had the CD if that in my car and it would have been a disaster. Would have been absolutely wrecked. 857 01:35:37.230 --> 01:35:37.630 Yeah. 858 01:35:38.030 --> 01:35:45.350 I mean, so, yeah, I absolutely connected with this on an emotional level. 859 01:35:45.350 --> 01:35:45.790 Yeah. 860 01:35:46.670 --> 01:35:57.370 But when I go back and listen to them, I think Ride the Lightning's better. I think Ride the Lightning is this. It's. There's something better about it, but I don't know what it. Like it's a fraction of a percent. 861 01:35:57.530 --> 01:35:58.490 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 862 01:36:00.970 --> 01:36:10.330 And one day we'll do like Ride the Lightning. For me, I think he's going to be a bit like. There are two albums I'm a bit scared to cover. One is the. The Goo Goo doll stuff. 863 01:36:10.330 --> 01:36:10.850 Yeah. Yeah. 864 01:36:10.850 --> 01:36:17.610 So there's two from the Goo Goo Dolls. There's a Boy named Goo and Superstar Car Wash, which I've got a copy of now. 865 01:36:17.610 --> 01:36:18.170 Have you got it? 866 01:36:18.170 --> 01:36:27.250 I got. I managed to get a copy of Superstar Car Wash which I'm very. I've not played it. No. You know, look at it. And the other one would be Ride the Lightning. So there's those three. 867 01:36:27.330 --> 01:36:27.850 Yeah. 868 01:36:27.850 --> 01:36:29.810 Albums that I'd be a little bit scared. 869 01:36:29.890 --> 01:36:30.290 Yeah. 870 01:36:30.290 --> 01:36:31.010 For us to cover. 871 01:36:31.090 --> 01:36:31.650 Yeah. 872 01:36:33.330 --> 01:36:41.090 Because it's interesting. It. It changes when we do the show for the album. For me, it changes my relationship with the album. Yeah. I become more analytical. 873 01:36:41.170 --> 01:36:41.570 Yeah. 874 01:36:41.570 --> 01:36:47.890 I understand more about how it was made and. And where it was made and what it meant at the time and all this stuff. Whereas right now. 875 01:36:47.890 --> 01:36:48.290 Yeah. 876 01:36:48.290 --> 01:36:56.480 My relationship to the Metallica album is how they made me feel and remembering being a 13 year old kid. Do you know what I mean? 877 01:36:56.480 --> 01:36:56.720 Yeah. 878 01:36:56.720 --> 01:36:58.640 Like, it's a. It's a. It's a different thing. 879 01:36:58.720 --> 01:36:59.120 So. 880 01:37:00.000 --> 01:37:01.560 But anyway, let's do Master Puppets. 881 01:37:01.560 --> 01:37:01.920 Yeah. 882 01:37:01.920 --> 01:37:04.200 And then we're gonna. I think we'll do Master. 883 01:37:04.200 --> 01:37:04.720 Yeah. 884 01:37:05.200 --> 01:37:10.960 Just because I really feel like doing some Metallica. Then we. I think we'll do. Use your illusion. 885 01:37:10.960 --> 01:37:11.480 Yeah. 886 01:37:11.480 --> 01:37:12.120 One and two. 887 01:37:12.120 --> 01:37:12.800 Yeah. Together. 888 01:37:12.880 --> 01:37:21.630 I don't know with them together. Maybe we'll do. No, we're doing one week and then the next one week and then we'll See where we go. But then I think I'd love to do Load and reload. 889 01:37:21.630 --> 01:37:22.470 Yeah. Yeah, yeah, cool. 890 01:37:22.710 --> 01:37:25.110 And then let's see. Because we've got four weeks then. 891 01:37:25.190 --> 01:37:25.670 Yeah. 892 01:37:25.670 --> 01:37:27.830 And then at the end of the four weeks, I think. 893 01:37:28.070 --> 01:37:28.630 Yeah. 894 01:37:29.510 --> 01:37:37.030 Well, after, I'll have to really answer to my big gob about whether I think. But is it really flippant to say those two. 895 01:37:37.110 --> 01:37:37.590 Yeah. 896 01:37:38.390 --> 01:37:44.150 Those albums were just. There's too much filler, too much fluff in them. 897 01:37:44.150 --> 01:37:44.510 Yeah. 898 01:37:44.510 --> 01:37:47.030 And I'd rather they were shorter and more punchy. 899 01:37:47.260 --> 01:37:47.580 Yeah. 900 01:37:47.580 --> 01:37:50.140 You know, scrap some songs. And if they were going to be scrapped. 901 01:37:50.140 --> 01:37:51.180 Yeah. Which ones would. 902 01:37:51.180 --> 01:37:54.300 I think I need to answer the question. What would. Yeah. What would. 903 01:37:54.380 --> 01:37:57.180 Which would go. Yeah, so which would be the B sides? 904 01:37:57.260 --> 01:38:01.980 Yeah. So if we were gonna do. If we were gonna do, like, load and reload as one album. 905 01:38:01.980 --> 01:38:02.460 Yeah. 906 01:38:02.540 --> 01:38:04.860 I think I need to answer what that should be. 907 01:38:04.860 --> 01:38:05.220 Yeah. 908 01:38:05.220 --> 01:38:10.580 Okay. And I think the same for Use your Illusion. I think I need to answer the. Hey, actually, this is the run Use. 909 01:38:10.580 --> 01:38:12.060 Your Illusion and what order would it be in? 910 01:38:12.060 --> 01:38:15.490 Yeah, Use your Illusion should be. Yeah, the. These songs. 911 01:38:15.490 --> 01:38:16.770 Yeah. Oh, that's it. 912 01:38:16.770 --> 01:38:17.890 That's exciting, don't you think? 913 01:38:17.890 --> 01:38:18.650 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 914 01:38:18.650 --> 01:38:22.010 Because I think if I'm gonna be like. If I'm gonna be opinionated, like. 915 01:38:22.010 --> 01:38:25.330 Yeah. Oh, and that. And there'll definitely be people shouting at their podcast. 916 01:38:25.410 --> 01:38:33.570 Yeah. I think if I'm gonna be like an opinion on a stick, like you may know, then I think I should. I should do that. But let's do them. Let's do each one. 917 01:38:33.650 --> 01:38:34.090 Yeah. 918 01:38:34.090 --> 01:38:35.250 And then at the end. 919 01:38:35.410 --> 01:38:35.890 Yeah. 920 01:38:36.130 --> 01:38:38.410 So we'll do. We'll do Master Puppets first, just because it's epic. 921 01:38:38.410 --> 01:38:38.650 Yeah. 922 01:38:38.650 --> 01:38:43.700 Yeah. Then we'll do Use your illusion one and two at the end of Use your illusion two. 923 01:38:43.930 --> 01:38:44.250 Yeah. 924 01:38:44.490 --> 01:38:45.210 I shall. 925 01:38:45.370 --> 01:38:45.850 Yeah. 926 01:38:47.370 --> 01:38:47.970 Announce. 927 01:38:47.970 --> 01:38:48.570 Yeah, yeah. 928 01:38:48.570 --> 01:38:50.570 To the world what the order should be in. 929 01:38:50.570 --> 01:38:51.010 Yeah. 930 01:38:51.010 --> 01:38:55.090 And everyone will disagree. And then we'll do the same. Or load and reload. 931 01:38:55.090 --> 01:38:55.450 Great. 932 01:38:55.450 --> 01:38:57.090 I've not listened to load and reload. 933 01:38:57.090 --> 01:38:57.850 That's the plan. 934 01:38:58.250 --> 01:39:13.220 Are we gonna stick to our planet or see. Let's see how it might be really boring listening to you. Oh, I don't really like this, but I'm hoping. You know what I'm hoping. I'm hoping that these are four albums that I've never really connected with. 935 01:39:13.220 --> 01:39:13.620 Yeah. 936 01:39:13.700 --> 01:39:14.380 Particularly. 937 01:39:14.380 --> 01:39:14.820 Yeah. 938 01:39:15.140 --> 01:39:38.030 I. I had such an incredible relationship with Appetite and, I mean, not so much the Black album before this, but certainly justice and Master. Yeah, justice and Master and. And Lightning and stuff. So, you know, I've had like a really strong relationship with the band until they did these, you know, preposterous double album. 939 01:39:38.030 --> 01:39:39.550 Yeah, well, we, we know what's gonna happen. 940 01:39:39.710 --> 01:39:40.390 What's gonna happen? 941 01:39:40.390 --> 01:39:47.950 You're gonna find. They're gonna. Are gonna find some newfound love for them and they're actually gonna end up being your favorites. And then you're gonna go and go and order the double vinyl. 942 01:39:48.270 --> 01:40:00.110 Don't do that. I'm probably not gonna do that. I've got. There are. I've been tempted, you know, lately I've been tempted to go and order a few of the original CDs cuz CDs are still not stupid money. 943 01:40:00.110 --> 01:40:00.590 Yeah. 944 01:40:01.800 --> 01:40:11.960 And yeah, the Black Album is one that I ordered and I'm on ebay and that. Or you know, I love going. If we. If we're traveling around as a family, I love going to find record shops. 945 01:40:11.960 --> 01:40:12.280 Yeah. 946 01:40:12.920 --> 01:40:23.640 Proper old ones. Not like hmv where it's like, you know, they, they bend you over while they're. It's just awful buying new vinyl. But I've been going, getting some of the old CDs. 947 01:40:23.640 --> 01:40:24.120 Yeah. 948 01:40:24.280 --> 01:40:25.560 And I'm enjoying that as well. 949 01:40:25.560 --> 01:40:26.000 Yeah. 950 01:40:26.000 --> 01:40:28.160 You know, just kind of putting a physical thing in the box. 951 01:40:28.160 --> 01:40:28.480 Yeah. 952 01:40:28.480 --> 01:40:32.440 And hearing it go as it. You know, I like all that. 953 01:40:32.440 --> 01:40:32.920 Yeah. 954 01:40:33.560 --> 01:40:35.680 Anyway, I'll show up now. Yeah, see you next week. 955 01:40:35.680 --> 01:40:35.920 See you. 956 01:40:35.920 --> 01:40:36.360 Bye.